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On November 10 2008 17:19 OneOther wrote:That's basically what it is, haha. I find it really interesting though - EVERYONE has different opinions. Some people believe the ranking is perfect, some think Jangbi is placed way too high, some say Jangbi should be even higher, and so much more. Lesson I have learned: I gotta stick to what I believe in, because I can't satisfy everyone anyway.
Not sure if it helps, but you could write that some players are close, while others are not. Stork, Bisu, and to a certain extent Free are really not debatable choices. But Jaedong/Jangbi/Flash are fairly close.
You can also say that that you put Jaedong 4th only because you don't want to deal with the hassle of JD fanboys ripping you apart.  This way objective readers will understand and fanboys will be appeased.
It's surprising to know you place a lot more on performances rather than matchups. I can see why, considering we can play hypotheticals all we want, while actual game performances are indisputable. But I think the fact that Jangbi has played absolutely no top-tier player makes his rank quite strange. I feel his rank is much less debatable next month. If he continues his solid PL play and at least make the finals, he can then be undisputably top 5.
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Jaedong damnit... Well please. DESTROYER PLEASE GET BACK!!! WE NEED OUR SAVIOR ZERG MORE THAN EVER!!
Hope JD will get out of his slump and hope the destroyer get's back on his top. I'd really love if #1 spots where Z
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United States10774 Posts
On November 10 2008 17:58 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2008 17:19 OneOther wrote:On November 10 2008 17:16 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Oneother vs all That's basically what it is, haha. I find it really interesting though - EVERYONE has different opinions. Some people believe the ranking is perfect, some think Jangbi is placed way too high, some say Jangbi should be even higher, and so much more. Lesson I have learned: I gotta stick to what I believe in, because I can't satisfy everyone anyway. Not sure if it helps, but you could write that some players are close, while others are not. Stork, Bisu, and to a certain extent Free are really not debatable choices. But Jaedong/Jangbi/Flash are fairly close. You can also say that that you put Jaedong 4th only because you don't want to deal with the hassle of JD fanboys ripping you apart. This way objective readers will understand and fanboys will be appeased. It's surprising to know you place a lot more on performances rather than matchups. I can see why, considering we can play hypotheticals all we want, while actual game performances are indisputable. But I think the fact that Jangbi has played absolutely no top-tier player makes his rank quite strange. I feel his rank is much less debatable next month. If he continues his solid PL play and at least make the finals, he can then be undisputably top 5.
Thank you for the suggestion. You are pretty much right on about Jaedong. I just didn't want to deal with furious Jaedong fanboys, and could see him up there as well. I guess I am saying it's not that much of a stretch.
You have to understand that although I like to put emphasis on performances, I take circumstances/matchups into account, too. If we only look at the matchlist, Kal and Flash obviously look better. I mean, Kal took down Stork, while Flash has been beating very good Terrans in Proleague. Jangbi's undefeated MSL streak against rather weaker opponents appears relatively insignificant. However, things change when we consider the fact that Kal barely beat out Stork 3-2, when the DinoToss had a ginormous finals match coming up in a couple days. He is also inconsistent in Proleague, with a mediocre record at best. Flash, on the other hand, got eliminated from both individual leagues, and needed to only focus on Proleague matches. Now let's look at Jangbi. Yes, his MSL opponents aren't the best players in the world, but he's 7-0. Take his outstanding Proleague into that formula, and we have Jangbi above both Flash and Kal.
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On November 10 2008 17:19 OneOther wrote:That's basically what it is, haha. I find it really interesting though - EVERYONE has different opinions. Some people believe the ranking is perfect, some think Jangbi is placed way too high, some say Jangbi should be even higher, and so much more. Lesson I have learned: I gotta stick to what I believe in, because I can't satisfy everyone anyway.
like i said before, this month is tough because you're going almost purely on intuition and how well people did against stork. it's tough to quantify. given results/strength of play/history, i think your top 4 is the most ideal for the reasons you listed in the power rank, but to be honest i don't think there's much separating third from tenth at this point, you can make an argument for a lot of different iterations depending on what games you watched and what things you value more.
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MrHoon
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LOL
OneOther vs Rabid Jaedong/Fantasy Fans
WHO WILL BE THE VICTOR
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Pretty good.
I do think Jaedong is a bit high though as others have said... but we'll go with it.
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MrHoon
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lol Korean communities criticizing Foreigners to love protoss and hate zerg
OH TEH IRONY
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Zurich15325 Posts
A bold and kind of (for me at least) unexpected PR! I like it a lot, thanks!
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On November 10 2008 14:54 OneOther wrote:
1. stork - commander
2. bisu - revolutionist
3. free - something with brain, i believe
4. jaedong - tyrant
5. jangbi - something with god
6. flash - ultimate weapon
7. best - doh monster/beast
8. kal - goojila
9. fantasy - no clue..some kind of reference to bin laden?
10. forgg - i think so.
kal is the Hidden Joker
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Oh. i know why fantasy's nick name is Jong(bin)laden .. because he is league terrorist
hahaha
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Let your voice speak for the revolution!, All join forces with all the powers that you feel.
Let your heart beat for the revolution!
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Jangbi has so much potential, if he can just live up to it. Happy overall with this placement.
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All Jangbi's done is kill yarnc over and over and laugh at sparkyz P slaying powers.
Chonnom Kal will SLAY JANGBI!!!
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Aside from Strok and Kal all the players I want to drop deep are on this (not that I could argue against it)... Well, you could have given call a shot but who to take away?... Damn TLPR :p.
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Probably the best PR I've seen in a while imo
Exact same people I wouldve put (at slightly different ranks though) 
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On November 10 2008 20:49 SuperJongMan wrote:
All Jangbi's done is kill yarnc over and over and laugh at sparkyz P slaying powers.
Chonnom Kal will SLAY JANGBI!!!
True but thats not his fault, you can blame little toss for not facing better players, in fact the most amazing here is that yarnc that can put a top world zvt and zvz against anyone lost 5 straight games on a 2 month time against him.
Kal is way overated, he won bad serie against iris and took other against a phantom of stork that almost lost, did you watch game 4 against stork? is that a BO? He is 4-4 on pl the worst pl record on msl now. I can say that kal is not even top 10 in my pr look it back.
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I think that the first three are undebatable,Jaedong has no reason to be dropped lower than this,because he lost mainly to the people above him,and Jangbi and Flash and everybody below him has lost to shitty players this season,not only Jaedong. I think that Jangbi can be placed above Flash,because he beat 5 times the player who eliminated Flash from the MSL,and I don't really know of what is Flash capable of against a good zerg,since he was eliminated from both leagues by zergs,and when he faced a good Zerg in Jaedong in the PL he lost. I think Jangbi is more complex,so the ranking is justified. I think that Best could be put above both of them tho,since he mainly lost to players above him in the PR,got as far in the Osl as Jangbi got in the MSL and is as impressive as Flash in the PL. By the way,if you are sent on all of the ace matches,of course you have more opportunity to win,than the people who are not sent out,especially if you are an S class player. I think if Bisu or Stork or Jaedong would have been sent out in all of their teams matches and all of the ace matches,they would have similar stats too. I think Kal and Fantasy are where they belong,and I think ForGG could be higher than Fantasy,since Fantasy hasn't really shown anything this month,while ForGG has been winning a lot. And Luxury:no,he doesn't deserve a rank. He is 6-3 in the PL,losing to every good player he played and losing an ace match. If you attack this post by saying JD is 6-3 too,well he is,but he won both of his ace matches and defeated players like Flash and Best. And WCG is a who gives a shit really tournament. He won it. So what? I'm happy,that Stork didn't become the first player to win too consecutive WCG's,but that's really it.
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It's Bisu Time !! MSL + GOM in his hand !!
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Fantasy's reign of dominance is over befor it could have begun. Ppl can argue that his performence worths more than 9th, but look at this: his tvz build is less and less effective, he looses every TvT recently, and his PvT havent been tested after the finals against Stork, where it looked good bu not the best. And there are so many players in their top form...
Really nice PR. The protoss trio jangbi-kal-best can be hardly ranked, we will know more about them after the MSL.
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Screw Toss. Put 'em back in their place, Flash & Jaedong.
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