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this is what i wrote some hours ago
On November 10 2008 00:03 malongo wrote:oneother is having a hard time for next PR but i guess thats the idea. I remade my last PR based on the games i saw today on gomtv and wcg and added some comments. + Show Spoiler +
1 stork: this is protoss!!! yes hes on fire
2 bisu: as good as n1 but he still have to do something more to be 1. that being said his game has reached a new peak, his pvt is on top form and his pvz is da best in da wold. time to check his pvp again.
3 jaedong: omg no free? (see free below), i still cant see someone under jaedong being better overall. (and i see myself as a protoss biased fan)
4 best: hes so solid and thats his strenght, but thats his weak point too, because his solid game is based on standar builds and that makes him predictable. Best needs to evolve, taking more risks in 1 v 1 series or he will never see a starleague title (just as n1 before), he has to use the standars in pl and sharp his pvz.
5 free: i know, i have to argue about this. I just love this guy but, the fact is that he has just being free, just like sea is sometimes sea. He is a monster on pl, he is a monster at pvt and pvz (his pvp is not yet tested by the top p), but how many times has this being different? what would you say now if jaedong 2-1 free?? i have to say that best doesnt look better than free right now but he still looks more consistent to me, because free is just in *that* moment that can burst him to number 3/2 or send him back to be free. I just cant wait to see bisu-free.
6 flash: where are you? we need you... stop kicking fantasys ass and come to save us from never ending pvps.
7 jangbi: poor boy, 3 months ago he should have been top 5 at this same level, but look how many protoss are there playing better than him right now.
8 fantasy: he got silver. i dont think he played bad in fact he took the series to a 5 game that gives him this spot, but he is soo bad on pl, i dont have faith on him. I keep what i thought like 3 weeks ago, -overated after his win on ggplay meh.-
9 forgg: proleague only and some memories about a guy that was good at macro is what i have. still he is like 25% of lecaf so i guess he deserve this spot
10 calm: i was going to give this spot to ggplay but his game against mind on gomtv was... no words, and calm lost too but 1-2 to the best pvz in the world and HE DIDNT LOOK RAPED so that plus a very good pl record gives him this spot.
close but no cigar
-NO i dont see how kal can be top 10 => poor in pl, eliminated by effort 0-2 on osl getting lucky against stork and his road on msl. look at kal vs iris and the rest of the games, this guy is still on msl but i havent seen good play from him.
-PUSAN!! no more protoss please.. but you are on your way back spirit toss.
-hwasin-fbh-yarnc: actually not close not cigar THESE SUCK ATM
-luxury: so bad performance on individual leagues.
-saint: bisus old 2v2 partner has learned to 1v1 and is doing well on pl maybe we´ll see him on a future starleague
i still keep kal out, if i think about reverting storks path on msl (first kal then forgg) im 100% sure stork will be still there and kal out of msl and PR but thats just my imagination so no complaints.
theres only one little thing i just cant pass by oneother: CBNC, how can you put savior, great saint and luxury all z?? where is PUSAN? ZERG BIASED CBNC to say the least
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bisu... stork... seems like 2007 again
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ThePhan2m, I'm more curious as to who you would put in the 3rd spot if not Free. You discredit Free's spot, but you don't offer up your own suggestion in his place.
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noone cares about luxury winning wcg?
he did beat PR #1 2-1 in a final
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On November 10 2008 13:19 malongo wrote:this is what i wrote some hours ago Show nested quote +On November 10 2008 00:03 malongo wrote:oneother is having a hard time for next PR but i guess thats the idea. I remade my last PR based on the games i saw today on gomtv and wcg and added some comments. + Show Spoiler +
1 stork: this is protoss!!! yes hes on fire
2 bisu: as good as n1 but he still have to do something more to be 1. that being said his game has reached a new peak, his pvt is on top form and his pvz is da best in da wold. time to check his pvp again.
3 jaedong: omg no free? (see free below), i still cant see someone under jaedong being better overall. (and i see myself as a protoss biased fan)
4 best: hes so solid and thats his strenght, but thats his weak point too, because his solid game is based on standar builds and that makes him predictable. Best needs to evolve, taking more risks in 1 v 1 series or he will never see a starleague title (just as n1 before), he has to use the standars in pl and sharp his pvz.
5 free: i know, i have to argue about this. I just love this guy but, the fact is that he has just being free, just like sea is sometimes sea. He is a monster on pl, he is a monster at pvt and pvz (his pvp is not yet tested by the top p), but how many times has this being different? what would you say now if jaedong 2-1 free?? i have to say that best doesnt look better than free right now but he still looks more consistent to me, because free is just in *that* moment that can burst him to number 3/2 or send him back to be free. I just cant wait to see bisu-free.
6 flash: where are you? we need you... stop kicking fantasys ass and come to save us from never ending pvps.
7 jangbi: poor boy, 3 months ago he should have been top 5 at this same level, but look how many protoss are there playing better than him right now.
8 fantasy: he got silver. i dont think he played bad in fact he took the series to a 5 game that gives him this spot, but he is soo bad on pl, i dont have faith on him. I keep what i thought like 3 weeks ago, -overated after his win on ggplay meh.-
9 forgg: proleague only and some memories about a guy that was good at macro is what i have. still he is like 25% of lecaf so i guess he deserve this spot
10 calm: i was going to give this spot to ggplay but his game against mind on gomtv was... no words, and calm lost too but 1-2 to the best pvz in the world and HE DIDNT LOOK RAPED so that plus a very good pl record gives him this spot.
close but no cigar
-NO i dont see how kal can be top 10 => poor in pl, eliminated by effort 0-2 on osl getting lucky against stork and his road on msl. look at kal vs iris and the rest of the games, this guy is still on msl but i havent seen good play from him.
-PUSAN!! no more protoss please.. but you are on your way back spirit toss.
-hwasin-fbh-yarnc: actually not close not cigar THESE SUCK ATM
-luxury: so bad performance on individual leagues.
-saint: bisus old 2v2 partner has learned to 1v1 and is doing well on pl maybe we´ll see him on a future starleague
i still keep kal out, if i think about reverting storks path on msl (first kal then forgg) im 100% sure stork will be still there and kal out of msl and PR but thats just my imagination so no complaints. theres only one little thing i just cant pass by oneother: CBNC, how can you put savior, great saint and luxury all z?? where is PUSAN? ZERG BIASED CBNC to say the least
Forgot about Pusan, added him.
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So can someone explain me why Jaedong is 4th! If any other player was performing like Jaedong is now there would be no chance that he would be even in top 10. Jaedong lost Bo3 to Free, lost to Stork in WCG, dropped two games in proleague to two medicore players and he is still 4th! I wonder what does he need to do to drop out of top 5? Obviously there is a huge bias towards Jaedong.
The rest of top 10 is fine I guess though I would have put Luxury as 10th instead of ForGG. Also maybe Flash 5th (especially watching his most recent games where he just rolled over Fantasy) but that's more debatable.
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On November 10 2008 13:10 thunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2008 13:02 ThePhan2m wrote:On November 10 2008 12:32 OneOther wrote:On November 10 2008 12:23 ThePhan2m wrote:
you place free THAT high? Lucky win against jaedong. comon, he hanst proven himself at all.
and Fantasy 9th? you gotta be joking. None of these others above him like Kal or Jangbi has proven to be any better than fantasy this month No offense, how many games have you watched this month? I don't buy your lucky win argument. A win is a win, and it was a great win at that. Then he destroyed NaDa 3-0 in the quarterfinals. He's tearing apart Proleague. I do not see how he hasn't "proven himself at all." Fantasy..what has he done besides lose to Stork in OSL finals, drop several games in Proleague, and get destroyed by Flash in GOM? Kal, on the other hand, beat Stork to advance to to the MSL semifinals. Don't even try to argue about Jangbi - go look at http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/63_JangBi/games before you say anything. He is winning every single game. He has not lost a single game thus far in MSL. Fantasy is where he deserves to be. yes I have watched alot. If you look at who Jangbi played, he didnt really played anyone top notch from former PRs. Jangbi is a strong players yes, but stronger than fantasy, and flash? Compared to fantasy, who lost most of his games vs top10 players, and its not like fantasy got raped vs stork. Those games where pretty close. Guess we can only wait and see in MSL if jangbi got what it takes. Frees nada stomp anyone could have done among top10. Tho does 1 game ahead of Jaedong slumping play deserve him third? Imo no. I sense another PR oozing with fanboyism. The Jangbi-Kal semifinal is hard to be useful for PR like the Best v. Stork semifinal (determined the King of PvP) because PvP is one of Kal's better matchups and it's one of Jangbi's weakest. But asking whether or not Kal is better than Jangbi is a very legit question and the answers are not going to be in concert. Um...what do you consider kals weakest match up?
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On November 10 2008 13:23 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
noone cares about luxury winning wcg?
he did beat PR #1 2-1 in a final
Maybe stork was more hungover than Luxury.
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PvP is both Kal and Jangbi's gimp match-up. This series will help show who is immediately better at PvP, but doesn't really give rise to mass credibility to the winner, as neither are very PvP orientated. Kal has probably achieved more in PvP to this point, but Jangbi has had the better month.
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Great job OneOther,mine rank would be almost the same,except for Jangbi,I would have put him one or two spots lower,but that's okay,Flash isn't in leagues and Jangbi is an MSL semifinalist and that explains it.
EDIT: Here comes the Revolution(ist)
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On November 10 2008 13:34 Lebesgue wrote:
So can someone explain me why Jaedong is 4th! If any other player was performing like Jaedong is now there would be no chance that he would be even in top 10. Jaedong lost Bo3 to Free, lost to Stork in WCG, dropped two games in proleague to two medicore players and he is still 4th! I wonder what does he need to do to drop out of top 5? Obviously there is a huge bias towards Jaedong.
The rest of top 10 is fine I guess though I would have put Luxury as 10th instead of ForGG. Also maybe Flash 5th (especially watching his most recent games where he just rolled over Fantasy) but that's more debatable.
-RESPECT thats why jaedong cant be under 6 imo. Have you actually watched his loses? wich one of them was a rape? hint: NONE. lost 2 series 1-2 against top tier p, and sangho played really fucking well to take his game on pl. Oh! he lost a zvz lol. Underperforming? a big maybe. slumping? no way, no bias really.
-Luxury over forgg? are you sure? luxury 6-3 pl, forgg 4-1, luxury left osl thxs to *crushing sound* midas and mind. it took stork on fire to take out forgg from msl in a pretty good series, even better than osl finals to me (thats arguable). Ok he won wcg... 
edit: thanks oneother for his work and weeeeeeeeeheeeee PUSAN FIGHTING!
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On November 10 2008 14:20 malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2008 13:34 Lebesgue wrote:
So can someone explain me why Jaedong is 4th! If any other player was performing like Jaedong is now there would be no chance that he would be even in top 10. Jaedong lost Bo3 to Free, lost to Stork in WCG, dropped two games in proleague to two medicore players and he is still 4th! I wonder what does he need to do to drop out of top 5? Obviously there is a huge bias towards Jaedong.
The rest of top 10 is fine I guess though I would have put Luxury as 10th instead of ForGG. Also maybe Flash 5th (especially watching his most recent games where he just rolled over Fantasy) but that's more debatable.
-RESPECT thats why jaedong cant be under 6 imo. Have you actually watched his loses? wich one of them was a rape? hint: NONE. lost 2 series 1-2 against top tier p, and sangho played really fucking well to take his game on pl. Oh! he lost a zvz lol. Underperforming? a big maybe. slumping? no way, no bias really. -Luxury over forgg? are you sure? luxury 6-3 pl, forgg 4-1, luxury left osl thxs to *crushing sound* midas and mind. it took stork on fire to take out forgg from msl in a pretty good series, even better than osl finals to me (thats arguable). Ok he won wcg... edit: thanks oneother for his work and weeeeeeeeeheeeee PUSAN FIGHTING!
I'm not sure. That's why I wrote that's debatable. I wouldn't think of putting Luxury there if not that he won WCG beating Stork straight 2:0.
Regarding Jaedong. I watched most of his recent games (except the series against the Stork) and I consider 4th place for him 2 place too high. If he was 6th I would be ok (that would be out of respect as well). I would definitely put Jangbi above him. Maybe also Best or Flash.
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On November 10 2008 13:34 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2008 13:10 thunk wrote:On November 10 2008 13:02 ThePhan2m wrote:On November 10 2008 12:32 OneOther wrote:On November 10 2008 12:23 ThePhan2m wrote:
you place free THAT high? Lucky win against jaedong. comon, he hanst proven himself at all.
and Fantasy 9th? you gotta be joking. None of these others above him like Kal or Jangbi has proven to be any better than fantasy this month No offense, how many games have you watched this month? I don't buy your lucky win argument. A win is a win, and it was a great win at that. Then he destroyed NaDa 3-0 in the quarterfinals. He's tearing apart Proleague. I do not see how he hasn't "proven himself at all." Fantasy..what has he done besides lose to Stork in OSL finals, drop several games in Proleague, and get destroyed by Flash in GOM? Kal, on the other hand, beat Stork to advance to to the MSL semifinals. Don't even try to argue about Jangbi - go look at http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/63_JangBi/games before you say anything. He is winning every single game. He has not lost a single game thus far in MSL. Fantasy is where he deserves to be. yes I have watched alot. If you look at who Jangbi played, he didnt really played anyone top notch from former PRs. Jangbi is a strong players yes, but stronger than fantasy, and flash? Compared to fantasy, who lost most of his games vs top10 players, and its not like fantasy got raped vs stork. Those games where pretty close. Guess we can only wait and see in MSL if jangbi got what it takes. Frees nada stomp anyone could have done among top10. Tho does 1 game ahead of Jaedong slumping play deserve him third? Imo no. I sense another PR oozing with fanboyism. The Jangbi-Kal semifinal is hard to be useful for PR like the Best v. Stork semifinal (determined the King of PvP) because PvP is one of Kal's better matchups and it's one of Jangbi's weakest. But asking whether or not Kal is better than Jangbi is a very legit question and the answers are not going to be in concert. Um...what do you consider kals weakest match up?
Shit, apparently it does suck. It's definitely in Kal's top 3 though.
I consider that whole side of that bracket gimped. As in, disabled.
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Im trying to translate some of the nicknames the guy wrote on dc I'll try to explain some too
1. Stork - Commander 사령관
2. Bisu - Revolutionist 혁명가
3. Free - Emperor of Thunder 뇌제
4. Jaedong - Tyrant 폭군
5. Jangbi - God 허느님 - In korean god is 하느님(ha nuh nim) Jangbi's real name is huh young moo (허영무) so replace the ha with huh and you get huh num nim.
6. Flash - Ultimate Weapon 최종병기
7. Best - Doh Monster 도괴수 - 괴수(gweso) means monster and since best's name is doe jae wook(도재욱) put the doh in front of and you get doh gwesu. Doh monster.
8. Kal - Goojila 구질라
9. Fantasy - 정라덴(jong la den) Fantasy's name is jong myung hoon so they took the jong part. I dont know know what 라덴 is sry.
10. Forgg - conquerer 정복.
Help me on some 
ty malongo and oneother <3
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1. stork - commander
2. bisu - revolutionist
3. free - something with brain, i believe
4. jaedong - tyrant
5. jangbi - something with god
6. flash - ultimate weapon
7. best - doh monster/beast
8. kal - goojila
9. fantasy - no clue..some kind of reference to bin laden?
10. forgg - i think so.
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On November 10 2008 09:57 traced wrote:
oh man, saint. skt should trade for him to fix their zerg problem and reunite him with bisu. bisu always used to specifically thank saint for vz practice
been thinking about this too and if it wasn't for the feeling that saint is completely loyal to MBC then... well... it's probably not gonna happen, but it would solve a lot of things for SKT T1.
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hahaha fantasy's nickname bin laden
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On November 04 2008 01:16 fw wrote:Show nested quote +
However from the 2nd half of 2007, the spirit started weakening. It became more and more difficult to see him acting as that clutch ace card, and as expected, MBCgame started to lose more matched. During that time, the “Revolutionist” Kim TaekYong (Bisu) (SKT), “Monster” Do JaeWook (Best) (SKT), “Joker” Kim KyuHyun (Kal) (STX), “Huhneunim” Huh YoungMoo (JangBi), “Brain” Yoon YongTae (Free) (Woongjin) became the next generation of protoss stars, and it seemed as if Park JiHo’s name would be forgotten.
Free's nick (뇌제, Noei-Je) is misunderstood. - 뇌(뢰) [雷] ; Thunder(storm) * this is a correct hanja (chinese) for free's nick - 뇌 [腦] ; Brain
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