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On December 13 2008 11:49 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
It should be the player who is playing better at the moment, thus having good results and showing good play. Matches that gave bonus to PR last month should not count as much as recent games. I've made up my mind long ago, i have never said anything else than this.
Players playing better than Stork at the moment: Firebathero, Fantasy, Pusan, Kal, Jangbi, Flash, Tempest, etc. etc. etc. Stork would drop out of the top 10 by this criteria. Hence why PR makers DON'T use this criteria. Because it's a "Power" Ranking.
Yes i think FBH is playing great atm. He should be on PR. But he lost 0-3 to bisu and 0-2 to bogus. His recent record is not close to flash's. When flash was in his prime he showed results like 25-3 or something like that, havent checked closely.. and now he's on 17-3 so he's getting back in old shape, and flash's old shape is so much better than FBH. Flash's accomplishment is going 17-3 in the last 20 games. Yes he has not faced any top gamer in a BO5 recently... too bad  If you saw the game vs free u would understand that free was winning that game coz of flash's horrible start. Not because of flash playing poorly... that BO was countered pretty good. Anyway since you just said that flash's only accomplishment was beating free in a game he should've lost makes me not even want to argue with you... you don't know what u're talking about. im going to bed.
That's great. You're the one who told me that PR should be a player of the month thing, and you still bring up "last 20 games" stats? Your logic is blatantly fanboyism because you'd disregard Stork's Ro8 in the MSL and winning in the OSL, yet would use half-year old stuff to talk up Flash?
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yep imo stork should drop several spots.
the 17-3 is what i use to explain to people like you that he's back in shape. Apperently its not enough.. its something that has no faded or slumped ... storks exellent records are slumping.. its not the same thing. and no tempest isnt doing better than stork. You cannot only count result, have to watch the games aswell, dont talk to me like im some kind of idiot, i have understanding of the game and i know what im talking about.
if flash went 17-3 a few months ago and now started slumping i wouldnt count those games like that..but he's keeping the record alive, what if he goes 30-5 or something i mean comon....
what is it that you are saying, you think FBH should be above flash? what would your PR be? Im still not sure if im talking to someone who knows anything :/
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On December 13 2008 12:15 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
yep imo stork should drop several spots.
Actually, by your criteria, he should drop down to like number 20. Again, your criteria is stupid.
the 17-3 is what i use to explain to people like you that he's back in shape. Apperently its not enough.. its something that has no faded or slumped ... storks exellent records are slumping.. its not the same thing. and no tempest isnt doing better than stork. You cannot only count result, have to watch the games aswell, dont talk to me like im some kind of idiot, i have understanding of the game and i know what im talking about.
if flash went 17-3 a few months ago and now started slumping i wouldnt count those games like that..but he's keeping the record alive, what if he goes 30-5 or something i mean comon....
what is it that you are saying, you think FBH should be above flash? what would your PR be? Im still not sure if im talking to someone who knows anything :/
Where did I say FBH is better than Flash? I didn't. I said he had a better month than Flash, because you're so keen on pumping up Flash's supposed super-duper month when many are outperforming him right now.
Oh, and thanks for lecturing me on the greatness of Flash. Are you going to continue with how Savior should now be in the top 5 of PR because of how beastly he was back a couple of years ago? Or that Boxer will make a comeback to the top 10 because he's now back on T1 and is Boxer?
All while basically saying Stork's OSL win just a month ago isn't really worth a lot?
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yup, baubo doesnt know shit
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On December 13 2008 12:15 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
yep imo stork should drop several spots.
the 17-3 is what i use to explain to people like you that he's back in shape. Apperently its not enough.. its something that has no faded or slumped ... storks exellent records are slumping.. its not the same thing. and no tempest isnt doing better than stork. You cannot only count result, have to watch the games aswell, dont talk to me like im some kind of idiot, i have understanding of the game and i know what im talking about.
if flash went 17-3 a few months ago and now started slumping i wouldnt count those games like that..but he's keeping the record alive, what if he goes 30-5 or something i mean comon....
what is it that you are saying, you think FBH should be above flash? what would your PR be? Im still not sure if im talking to someone who knows anything :/
Please ignore that guy and did not reply to his posts. He is an idiot.
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On December 13 2008 07:44 AnOth3rDAy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2008 07:17 disciple wrote:
If I follow your logic best or fantasy... both are raping shit in PL except fantasy lost 0-3 vs flash and best is 6-4 since OSL... i dont get your post.
Isn't Best 9-4 since the OSL? I'm guessing you mean his last 10 games...
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Do the ranking please Oneother
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Do the ranking please anyone. Although it really isn't any more absurd this month than in previous months as of late.
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On December 13 2008 12:15 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
yep imo stork should drop several spots.
the 17-3 is what i use to explain to people like you that he's back in shape. Apperently its not enough.. its something that has no faded or slumped ... storks exellent records are slumping.. its not the same thing. and no tempest isnt doing better than stork. You cannot only count result, have to watch the games aswell, dont talk to me like im some kind of idiot, i have understanding of the game and i know what im talking about.
if flash went 17-3 a few months ago and now started slumping i wouldnt count those games like that..but he's keeping the record alive, what if he goes 30-5 or something i mean comon....
what is it that you are saying, you think FBH should be above flash? what would your PR be? Im still not sure if im talking to someone who knows anything :/
sorry mate but ur arguments aren`t strong at all. From the last time I posted until now, u`ve posted some things that that made think that u are just a fanboy . no offence
The PR couldn`t possibly be who's had the best month...it`s just insane. Just imagine the PR like that: month after month, 10 new people ( ok not 10...but a LOT ). I`m sayin again: I agree, Flash is strong, he should be #3..or even #2 that doesn`t bother me, but please don`t come with arguments that differ from a day to another 
IE: U count last 20 games for flash - only last month for stork
U're sayin` that we should only count last's month performances, but only in flash's case... I hope u agree that pusan,sea.really,fakeyellow, etcetcetc (so many players) shouldn`t be above stork, or else stork whould drop out of the PR from his #1 last month
When I said that flash WAS stupid for making 14cc every game until the game against JD - u simply said that in his last 10 games he didn`t go 14cc...wth, I wasn`t talking about that at all
omg, long post, cheers! 
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Now, what's Power Rank about? It's not about a player's stat, it's not about who he beat, or did he won the most recent SL. It's a player's relative strength at the moment. There are many factors that must be taken into account, in my opinion those are the following (to explain better i will use black/red point just as in the kindergarden):
1. Statistics, if a player plays many games and he is 10-3 overall or whatever that's a red point (Flash, Best etc). Playing very few games, and not winning all of them that's a black point (Forgg etc).
2. The skill level of the opponents. Like loosing to Bisu/Stork/etc isn't a black point, beating Memory/ggameo/etcetc isnt a red point. And vice versa (beating Bisu/Stork red point)
3. The quality of the games. Loosing a game with +4 bases (kougghh-koughh, Free) is a black point, beating a cheese that got you unprepared red point. And vice versa. Dominating a good opponent red point. Barely beating a pushover, black point. Yes, wins sometimes are worse than close losses, altough not caracteristic.
4. How reliable the player is. Example Free/Jaedong/etc (i dont mention Flash cuz KTF for some reason is sending Lux as ace) are under pressure cuz they are the best player and usually the ace of their teams (Or eventually the best player of the respective race). If you are the ace of your team a red point (even if you dont win all of them) if you barely are in the PL roster black point (Tempest)
5. How solid he is. Having a weak mu, black point (FBH), having a single good mu, many black points. Not having clearly a bad mu, red point.
6. Participation in the leagues. Here i dont count GOM cuz 2 teams are excluded. Not qualifing for one of the SLs black point (FBH, Jangbi, Free, Best etcetc), not qualifing for one of the leagues and not playing too many PL games, many black points (Forgg, etc). Being in both of the SLs and playing in the PL, red point (Jaedong, Flash, Stork, Bisu). Owning in one of the SLs/PL isnt enough. Pure had the best win/loss ration last year, he barely got a rank in the PR. July won the OSL he was 4th or lower, etc.
7. Mind games. Does the player choke under the pressure (Stork used to do, apparently Flash does, Best)? Black point if he does. Can he structure a bo5? Can he put pressure on the opponent, can he guess what gonna be the build, can he proxy at a place where the scouts will avoid it, can he find the weakness of the opponent, can he abuse it? If he does huge huge red point. Unfortunately there are few bo5s and not too many bo3s, so it might happen we have to count the player's last opportunities, which might be more than a month ago. And unfortunately i think this is the most important factor. That's why Forgg, Stork, Flash, Jaedong got first place on PR, and for failing on keeping up the accomplishments they dropped.
Sorry for the long post, but i think somebody needed to write it. If you have additional ideas let me know.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
The Power Rank has been taken over by Romania.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Seriously what's up with Jaeden, Geo.Rion, and Darth Peter, all being from Romania, having similar post counts, and posting a lot in PR?
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What would be up? We all like watching Starcraft and have similar opinions for some reason. I think you have similar opinion with other people,who are not from your country. Well,it happens we are from the same country. Geo.Rion is my friend and we have similar opinions,I don't know about Jaeden. I usually post in the PR,because during the matches I'm usually at school,and when I can post,it is already outdated,so instead I write it here. Besides,I like this section of TL the best. What is the problem about it?
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Everything! It's a huge conspiracy to take over the entire TeamLiquid! Section by section. 
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Ironically I am not even really Romanian,but I live here.
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On December 13 2008 20:06 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2008 19:43 TheTyranid wrote:Everything! It's a huge conspiracy to take over the entire TeamLiquid! Section by section. lol don`t fall for that...it will just strengthen the fact that Romanians are hard to catch on with the jokes ) oh and..I`m actually a lurker here on the site from 2003 or somethin` like that, and I also registered before the other 2 guys..and don`t know them in real life It`s just that romanians like things like the PR I guess, we like debating on stuff D: edit: don`t belive me, we are actually in the process of takin` over TL 
Everything is going as planned. PM me on what shall be our next step?
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On December 13 2008 19:46 Darth Peter wrote:
Ironically I am not even really Romanian,but I live here.
Are u from Hungary?, no intentions of bein` a xenophob
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On December 13 2008 20:13 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2008 19:46 Darth Peter wrote:
Ironically I am not even really Romanian,but I live here. Are u from Hungary?, no intentions of bein` a xenophob
No,I am a Hungarian born in Romania.
I think we will reach 1000 comments.
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On December 13 2008 20:17 Darth Peter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2008 20:13 Jaeden wrote:On December 13 2008 19:46 Darth Peter wrote:
Ironically I am not even really Romanian,but I live here. Are u from Hungary?, no intentions of bein` a xenophob No,I am a Hungarian born in Romania. I think we will reach 1000 comments.
with this kind of discussion, easy
on`topic: this is a pretty hard month to judge
the only thing which we all agree on is the #1 spot
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