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well, well  the PR is simply awesome
like...I like every position. Firstly I was goin` to say that free should be above bisu, but on a second thought, + Show Spoiler +he just beat calm in the GSL
And then, everyone could argue that Best and Kal are too low, but then again + Show Spoiler +Flash beat fantasy...he should be gettin` some credit for that, and honestly, I HATE FLASH!
oh and fantasy...i actually thought he could get the OSL's "one-hit-wonder" award
all in all REALLY good PR , congratulations!
I have to admit I didn`t like u very much in the first place {because yours (and disciple's) biased towards stork, but u proved that you are really realistic after the first PR, (unlike discipile  , no offence)} but I`m very pleased that you made me NOT regret the fact that FS didn`t made the PR
Cheers again!
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Russian Federation386 Posts
Flash to 4th place, the rest is fine. Probably switch fOrGG with Luxury.
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On November 10 2008 18:07 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2008 17:58 baubo wrote:On November 10 2008 17:19 OneOther wrote:On November 10 2008 17:16 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Oneother vs all That's basically what it is, haha. I find it really interesting though - EVERYONE has different opinions. Some people believe the ranking is perfect, some think Jangbi is placed way too high, some say Jangbi should be even higher, and so much more. Lesson I have learned: I gotta stick to what I believe in, because I can't satisfy everyone anyway. Not sure if it helps, but you could write that some players are close, while others are not. Stork, Bisu, and to a certain extent Free are really not debatable choices. But Jaedong/Jangbi/Flash are fairly close. You can also say that that you put Jaedong 4th only because you don't want to deal with the hassle of JD fanboys ripping you apart.  This way objective readers will understand and fanboys will be appeased. It's surprising to know you place a lot more on performances rather than matchups. I can see why, considering we can play hypotheticals all we want, while actual game performances are indisputable. But I think the fact that Jangbi has played absolutely no top-tier player makes his rank quite strange. I feel his rank is much less debatable next month. If he continues his solid PL play and at least make the finals, he can then be undisputably top 5. Thank you for the suggestion. You are pretty much right on about Jaedong. I just didn't want to deal with furious Jaedong fanboys, and could see him up there as well. I guess I am saying it's not that much of a stretch. You have to understand that although I like to put emphasis on performances, I take circumstances/matchups into account, too. If we only look at the matchlist, Kal and Flash obviously look better. I mean, Kal took down Stork, while Flash has been beating very good Terrans in Proleague. Jangbi's undefeated MSL streak against rather weaker opponents appears relatively insignificant. However, things change when we consider the fact that Kal barely beat out Stork 3-2, when the DinoToss had a ginormous finals match coming up in a couple days. He is also inconsistent in Proleague, with a mediocre record at best. Flash, on the other hand, got eliminated from both individual leagues, and needed to only focus on Proleague matches. Now let's look at Jangbi. Yes, his MSL opponents aren't the best players in the world, but he's 7-0. Take his outstanding Proleague into that formula, and we have Jangbi above both Flash and Kal.
That's true. I can understand that.
Yes, my suggestion is simply that the ranking system currently does not take into account how much difference between each place. Which is probablamatic. It's like saying one person has a better grade than the other, but doesn't note if it was a difference of 90 vs. 70, or 84 vs 85.
Well, next month will likely be much easier to sort out at the top, with Jangbi/Kal/Bisu/Free all playing each other for the MSL championship.
And just curious, does GOM count towards official records now? I know they're not mentioned in the TLPD, but I thought I read somewhere that KESPA now counts those games.
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n.die_Jaedong
ELO Rank: 4th
KeSPA Rank: 4th
Power Rank: 4th
Can't argue with that.
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Wow, top 3 are all Protoss.
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good rank, but hey
wtf jangbi above flash? no no
switch those ty
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Great power rank It hurts my eyes when I see the domination of protoss, but tbh they should be there.
I agree that the PR should have the system of ranking I mean there will be several other factors that would be mis-considered when the writer builds the power rank. the system doesnt have to be so official that we have to determine the factor strictly, but I just think it would be great if we can have sort of measure on the performance of players. It would avoid the debate if personal preference comes into play. But figuring out this kind measure is really really complicated i must admit
And also, is it just me or I cant see any linkage between the power rank in previous months and this month, i am not referring to the statement like saying certain player is up 2 rank, but I mean the linkage between performance between two different points of time. Last month result is also a factor to take into account because it might affect the current performance. One simple example is that if the player was having like 8 wins streak against only one race, T for instance, in the last period they he would be more likely to beat another T, even higher ranked in this month and this win should be given less weight than he beats another strong Z player, despite ranked a bit lower .
Edit,... or it should go the other way I dont know, but there must be a link somehow
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BISU BISU BISU!! FUCK YEAH!
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On November 10 2008 23:16 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2008 18:07 OneOther wrote:On November 10 2008 17:58 baubo wrote:On November 10 2008 17:19 OneOther wrote:On November 10 2008 17:16 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Oneother vs all That's basically what it is, haha. I find it really interesting though - EVERYONE has different opinions. Some people believe the ranking is perfect, some think Jangbi is placed way too high, some say Jangbi should be even higher, and so much more. Lesson I have learned: I gotta stick to what I believe in, because I can't satisfy everyone anyway. Not sure if it helps, but you could write that some players are close, while others are not. Stork, Bisu, and to a certain extent Free are really not debatable choices. But Jaedong/Jangbi/Flash are fairly close. You can also say that that you put Jaedong 4th only because you don't want to deal with the hassle of JD fanboys ripping you apart. This way objective readers will understand and fanboys will be appeased. It's surprising to know you place a lot more on performances rather than matchups. I can see why, considering we can play hypotheticals all we want, while actual game performances are indisputable. But I think the fact that Jangbi has played absolutely no top-tier player makes his rank quite strange. I feel his rank is much less debatable next month. If he continues his solid PL play and at least make the finals, he can then be undisputably top 5. Thank you for the suggestion. You are pretty much right on about Jaedong. I just didn't want to deal with furious Jaedong fanboys, and could see him up there as well. I guess I am saying it's not that much of a stretch. You have to understand that although I like to put emphasis on performances, I take circumstances/matchups into account, too. If we only look at the matchlist, Kal and Flash obviously look better. I mean, Kal took down Stork, while Flash has been beating very good Terrans in Proleague. Jangbi's undefeated MSL streak against rather weaker opponents appears relatively insignificant. However, things change when we consider the fact that Kal barely beat out Stork 3-2, when the DinoToss had a ginormous finals match coming up in a couple days. He is also inconsistent in Proleague, with a mediocre record at best. Flash, on the other hand, got eliminated from both individual leagues, and needed to only focus on Proleague matches. Now let's look at Jangbi. Yes, his MSL opponents aren't the best players in the world, but he's 7-0. Take his outstanding Proleague into that formula, and we have Jangbi above both Flash and Kal. That's true. I can understand that. Yes, my suggestion is simply that the ranking system currently does not take into account how much difference between each place. Which is probablamatic. It's like saying one person has a better grade than the other, but doesn't note if it was a difference of 90 vs. 70, or 84 vs 85. Well, next month will likely be much easier to sort out at the top, with Jangbi/Kal/Bisu/Free all playing each other for the MSL championship. And just curious, does GOM count towards official records now? I know they're not mentioned in the TLPD, but I thought I read somewhere that KESPA now counts those games.
Previous season wasnt counte by Kespa or TLPE, that's why JD is 4th at Kespa rankings, but Season 2 is caunted by TLPE and KESPA too.
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On November 10 2008 19:19 MoKcandy wrote:
Oh. i know why fantasy's nick name is Jong(bin)laden .. because he is league terrorist
hahaha
If this is true we koreans make the most silliest nicknames ever
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On November 10 2008 23:36 []p4NDemik[] wrote:
n.die_Jaedong
ELO Rank: 4th
KeSPA Rank: 4th
Power Rank: 4th
Can't argue with that.
Flash:
ELO Rank: 2nd
KeSPA Rank: 1st
Following your logic Flash should be no1 or no2. Otherwise sth is not right with the power rank...
It is pretty obvious that Jaedong is so high just because he has many fans who cannot admit that he is not doing so well recently.
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On November 11 2008 02:24 Lebesgue wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2008 23:36 []p4NDemik[] wrote:
n.die_Jaedong
ELO Rank: 4th
KeSPA Rank: 4th
Power Rank: 4th
Can't argue with that. Flash: ELO Rank: 2nd KeSPA Rank: 1st Following your logic Flash should be no1 or no2. Otherwise sth is not right with the power rank... It is pretty obvious that Jaedong is so high just because he has many fans who cannot admit that he is not doing so well recently.
no, it`s obvious to u, coz u are a Flash fan.
I am a JD fan and I admit that he isn`t doing so well lately, but neither does flash. Flash just recently(1-2 weeks) seems to come back to form.
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On November 11 2008 02:24 Lebesgue wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2008 23:36 []p4NDemik[] wrote:
n.die_Jaedong
ELO Rank: 4th
KeSPA Rank: 4th
Power Rank: 4th
Can't argue with that. Flash: ELO Rank: 2nd KeSPA Rank: 1st Following your logic Flash should be no1 or no2. Otherwise sth is not right with the power rank... It is pretty obvious that Jaedong is so high just because he has many fans who cannot admit that he is not doing so well recently.
Obviously, it's a joke.
Your post reeks of fanboyism, but I'll let other fans flame you.
Also, thanks for ignoring nearly all of my posts in the last PR which I know you read since you posted there.
On November 10 2008 18:25 MrHoon wrote:
LOL
OneOther vs Rabid Anti-Jaedong/Fantasy/Flash Fans
WHO WILL BE THE VICTOR
Fixed.
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flash will probably climb the rankings next PR since he's looking monstrous again.
stork jd bisu flash in top 5 for next rank gogo
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9069 Posts
I thought flash was getting just a regular chump, but he proved me wrong. The ultimate weapon is as strong as ever
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Luxury should really be higher, come on. And EffOrt deserves a mention, does'nt he? I mean zerg players are'nt underperforming as much as you would have it, it's just that Stork and Bisu are so insanely hot right now.
But after reading down to the last CBNC I realized that all is forgiven...MJY!
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Flash> all the other programers. Gom and proleague will tell I guess.
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I KNOW RIGHT?
FANTASY IS OVERRATED
I KNEW I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT SO
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On November 11 2008 03:11 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 02:24 Lebesgue wrote:On November 10 2008 23:36 []p4NDemik[] wrote:
n.die_Jaedong
ELO Rank: 4th
KeSPA Rank: 4th
Power Rank: 4th
Can't argue with that. Flash: ELO Rank: 2nd KeSPA Rank: 1st Following your logic Flash should be no1 or no2. Otherwise sth is not right with the power rank... It is pretty obvious that Jaedong is so high just because he has many fans who cannot admit that he is not doing so well recently. Obviously, it's a joke. Your post reeks of fanboyism, but I'll let other fans flame you. Also, thanks for ignoring nearly all of my posts in the last PR which I know you read since you posted there. Show nested quote +On November 10 2008 18:25 MrHoon wrote:
LOL
OneOther vs Rabid Anti-Jaedong/Fantasy/Flash Fans
WHO WILL BE THE VICTOR Fixed.
I am not claiming that Flash should be no1 or no2. I think 5 or 6 is fine for him this month. I was just pointing out that saying that Jaedong is 4th in Elo ranking and 4th in the Kespa ranking doesn't matter at all to justify his position here.
Regarding ignoring your posts in the last power rank: I don't spend lots of time reading each and every post in the threads I post in and I don't check forum that regularly. It is not that I ignored them. Just probably never read them. At least I don't recall reading them.
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