EPTPower Rank 11/10/2008 - Page 10
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
Damn, Samsung's tosses scarier than T1's right now. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5676 Posts
On November 13 2008 20:53 baubo wrote: Okay. Take back my comments on Jangbi. Even if Bisu/Free 3-0 him in the finals, he's still easily top 5 right now. Damn, Samsung's tosses scarier than T1's right now. Right now ? Samsung tosses were always better in my opinion because of their TvP . When you look at their PvP and PvZ its about damn equal . | ||
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3468 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On November 13 2008 20:59 raga4ka wrote: Right now ? Samsung tosses were always better in my opinion because of their TvP . When you look at their PvP and PvZ its about damn equal . Jangbi was quite inconsistent until this season though. And Best/Bisu has been good together for a while now. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On November 13 2008 21:26 baubo wrote: Jangbi was quite inconsistent until this season though. And Best/Bisu has been good together for a while now. There's nothing wrong with SKT1 tosses pvt. Bisu is 5 win streak, Best on 7 win streak. Actually these 4 tosses are tearing apart every terran. Bisu's pvz is the best among the 4. PvP stork beated Best, now jangbi has to face Bisu (i mean if he advances in the finals). SKT and Khan remain the toss power houses, not a huge difference among the 2 pair. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 13 2008 21:12 malongo wrote: I knew Kal didnt belong here, I told you oneother OVEERAATED Overrated at #8 after beating Stork? What are you on? I put Kal as low as he could be. Thank you Jangbi for justifying your #5 spot and thank you Kal for justifying your #8 spot, too. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3468 Posts
On November 13 2008 23:55 OneOther wrote: Are you actually suggesting I should have put Kal lower than I did? Because if you are, you are just an idiot im suggesting that kal doesnt belong to PR, that he belongs to CBNC. because a) He lost 0-2 to a mid level on OSL R36, b) He is 4-4 on PL winning only to luxury on top players and losing to lesser players. c) He didnt show a "powerfull" play on his R16 against Iris in fact was a bad serie d) From stork vs forgg and fantasy vs stork series that were closer and much better overall i see that forgg and fantasy showed more power (aka they would have won against him) e) From stork vs kal series i see that stork was playing to a 60% player because of schedule, making his win less valuable at least, and his "power" to be tested on a serie against a well prepared player. f) From all his games (and ive watched most of leagues) I dont have seen good play, only standar builds and poor decision making. g) Ive seen better play on other gamers (im not talking about winning because PR is not just about winnig) like pusan, calm, ggplay. For instance calm has a much better performance on PL and his games against bisu on gomtv where quite good, losing 1-2 to the best (this is not so arguably) pvz on earth. Thats why i wouldnt have put him on PR this month, and i would have looked foward to check his gameplay on msl R8 and PL performance. I guess those subjetive points e, f, g are part of our experience has watcher and thats what we debate here. On a side note you dont need to argue like a child, im not an idiot and i really like and appreciate your work and effort to answer most of the replys here. | ||
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TarsTarkas
United States169 Posts
You say that Stork was playing at 60% of his capacity against Kal? Did you watch those games? Stork played very well (stork-like, in fact). The problem was that he didn't have too many specific things prepared. Kal's play was excellent in that series, you can't say that Stork lost - Kal won it. His play in that series alone could place him on the power rank of this month. | ||
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Fwmeh
1286 Posts
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
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gm.tOSS
Germany898 Posts
ALL HAIL AIUR | ||
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Boona
Sweden45 Posts
On November 14 2008 04:10 Darth Peter wrote: There are no players more deserving of a spot than Kal. After he beat Stork,I didn't want to put him on the PR either,but FBH played like an ass. Got eliminated by Bogus,lame in PL,and Bisu 3-0d him. Okay Bisu is the man,but even then FBH should have won at least one game. Luxury,Calm. They haven't accomplished anything to overtake Kal yet. Maybe next month,if Luxury is actually starting to win good matches amd if Calm beats Stork. And if the Destroyer beats Free,he definitely deserves a spot,if he can keep it up in the Proleague like this. Sadly, that alone should probably not put him on the PR since Free is in all likelihood training almost only for the MSL semifinal the day before. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 14 2008 01:04 malongo wrote: im suggesting that kal doesnt belong to PR, that he belongs to CBNC. because a) He lost 0-2 to a mid level on OSL R36, b) He is 4-4 on PL winning only to luxury on top players and losing to lesser players. c) He didnt show a "powerfull" play on his R16 against Iris in fact was a bad serie d) From stork vs forgg and fantasy vs stork series that were closer and much better overall i see that forgg and fantasy showed more power (aka they would have won against him) e) From stork vs kal series i see that stork was playing to a 60% player because of schedule, making his win less valuable at least, and his "power" to be tested on a serie against a well prepared player. f) From all his games (and ive watched most of leagues) I dont have seen good play, only standar builds and poor decision making. g) Ive seen better play on other gamers (im not talking about winning because PR is not just about winnig) like pusan, calm, ggplay. For instance calm has a much better performance on PL and his games against bisu on gomtv where quite good, losing 1-2 to the best (this is not so arguably) pvz on earth. Thats why i wouldnt have put him on PR this month, and i would have looked foward to check his gameplay on msl R8 and PL performance. I guess those subjetive points e, f, g are part of our experience has watcher and thats what we debate here. On a side note you dont need to argue like a child, im not an idiot and i really like and appreciate your work and effort to answer most of the replys here. I know Kal isn't great in PL, which is why I put him at the eighth spot. I cannot see pusan, calm or ggplay above Kal because after all, he beat tough players to reach the semifinals of MSL. You do realize his games vs jangbi didn't count towards this, right? Kal isn't _great_ but there is nobody who deserves his current spot more than he does. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On November 14 2008 06:25 Boona wrote: Sadly, that alone should probably not put him on the PR since Free is in all likelihood training almost only for the MSL semifinal the day before. oh yes it should | ||
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Malongo
Chile3468 Posts
On November 14 2008 02:37 TarsTarkas wrote: No, Kal definitely belongs in the power rank - and OneOther was right about where to put him. You say that Stork was playing at 60% of his capacity against Kal? Did you watch those games? Stork played very well (stork-like, in fact). The problem was that he didn't have too many specific things prepared. Kal's play was excellent in that series, you can't say that Stork lost - Kal won it. His play in that series alone could place him on the power rank of this month. I think your post his very poor, given that the discussion here is about overall performance and quality on a one month timeframe on 3 leagues and your only shouting kal 3-2 stork on msl. a) I watched the serie and rewatched to post here. b) Under my understanding of the game stork played very bad on games 1, and game 5, or at least on a very lesser level than he played against bisu, and best. He made unforced mistakes that ended in kal taking the advantage (wich kal capitalized) c) In games 1 and 3 kal tried plainly bad bos for a pvp R8 d) If a player dont prepare something "specific" for a game or group of games in a BOX series chances are he will be underplaying because he wont surprise his oponent nor prepare against his oponents surprises. That alone is like 15 % overall less play. e) Im not saying kal didnt play well but i think he played far from excellent f) If you go watch stork vs bisu and stork vs best and still dont think stork lost more than kal won, then maybe im stupid. On November 14 2008 04:10 Darth Peter wrote: There are no players more deserving of a spot than Kal. After he beat Stork,I didn't want to put him on the PR either,but FBH played like an ass. Got eliminated by Bogus,lame in PL,and Bisu 3-0d him. Okay Bisu is the man,but even then FBH should have won at least one game. Luxury,Calm. They haven't accomplished anything to overtake Kal yet. Maybe next month,if Luxury is actually starting to win good matches amd if Calm beats Stork. And if the Destroyer beats Free,he definitely deserves a spot,if he can keep it up in the Proleague like this. Of course thats what im arguing, that some other players deserve that spot. ggplay and calm have accomplished this season as much as kal from what i see. ggplay got R4 on osl on a tougher path than kal, calm has a nice 7-2 PL record that i value has much as a R8 on any individual starleague. The last thing here is that even if you dont agree with these accomplishments, PR dont speaks of wins only but overall gameplay, and didnt saw a soo good overall play from kal in his games. On November 14 2008 07:46 OneOther wrote: I know Kal isn't great in PL, which is why I put him at the eighth spot. I cannot see pusan, calm or ggplay above Kal because after all, he beat tough players to reach the semifinals of MSL. You do realize his games vs jangbi didn't count towards this, right? Kal isn't _great_ but there is nobody who deserves his current spot more than he does. I realize that those games dont count, and I realize that PR is not going to change no matter what for any month after released, im not an idiot. Kal was seeded on msl his full path was: stork+ sea on group stages, Iris R16, stork R8. His games against Iris=> poor, could have gone 1-2 easily, and im my opinion fantasy, forgg and some other terran could have trampled him. Then stork, and i think i made this point clear up the to the fanboy. I pointed that "nobody else deserve this spot" up in this post too. I have only one question to you oneother If kal wouldnt have won the last game against stork, (hypothetically) would still kal be number 8? im not trying to prove nothing nor trash your PR. Thanks in advance for your answer. PS this is probably my last post here I dont want to risk a ban for being "too argumentative and critical of staff in the PR threads" | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
stork/sea group stages, iris (who's been hot), and then stork in the ro8 is no matter what a deserving #8 spot player | ||
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Lebesgue
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