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On November 16 2008 09:40 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2008 08:22 TarsTarkas wrote:
This is how I see it:
Stork and Bisu >> pretty much everyone
Stork would also be a slight favorite over Bisu.
Therefore, Stork should retain his number 1 spot.
OSL:
Stork > Bisu, Best, Fantasy
MSL:
Bisu > Hwasin, Firebathero, Free
Of those players, only Free approaches the caliber of Stork's opponents. Both Bisu and Stork have been straight up dominating their opponents when they win, and neither of them loose. I can't really see any reason to take Stork down just because his awesomeness is hidden by the OSL ending first. Bisu's pvp=Storks pvp Storks pvt> Bisu's pvt Bisu's pvz>>>>>>>>>>> storks pvz
Since when does Bisu's PvP = Stork's PvP? They're close, but I don't see how a legitimate argument can be made for Bisu being equal to or better.
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Lets not jinx the Revolutionist shall we. First things first, winning the MSL, then making conclusions about the status of both Bisu and Stork
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On November 16 2008 08:13 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2008 07:04 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 06:54 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 06:38 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 06:35 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 06:30 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 06:06 Dazed_Spy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Bisu number 1 on power rank uh no Um...yes. No, because Stork is the best player right now. Bisu can only come even close to being #1 if he beats Jangbi, which won't be an easy task. If he does win MSL, Stork is still at the top because his path to OSL was harder than Bisu's. He's going to win the MSL, and obviously my statement was meant only under that condition. Beyond that, what? Storks OSL was not this month. Storks OSL was last month. Who looks better this month? So far Bisu is advancing all across the boards and Stork has played a single PL game against a more than washed up terran. Stork and Bisu are very, very close. Stork can not live on past glories if he wants to-legitimately- retain his position. Yes, even if the past glory was a month ago. Stork better get going on GOM and PL... And btw, FS, just out and say it; are you coming back to the PR, or is oneother "helping you out" indefinitely? Retire or set a rough date, stop this limbo. That''s not how Power Ranking works. Stork won the OSL against very strong opponents - Bisu himself, BeSt, FanTasy, and will not be penalized for not playing. If Bisu wins, he will be right below Stork, same goes to JangBi. A player has never been taken down from the top spot because he didn't play, especially after winning OSL. Again, the ranking is not based purely on _this_ month, it's an accumulation of what happened on the previous ranking and how they met up this month. Not only does OSL title mean the actual prize, it also showed Stork is the best player right now. It will certainly be taken into account. As long as Stork performs pretty well in GOM and PL, there's absolutely no reason to put him below Bisu. None. OSL does not mean he is the best player. Nada won the OSL years back and did not even take 2nd spot. So in fact, did GGplay. A player is not penalized for not playing, but when he plays very little opponents, all of low to mid quality, and another player who, already last month was near equal with the #1 [stork], has exploded and dominated the scene, it is pretty damn obvious who takes the first spot. Power ranks are to determine the best player. If storks play this month does not show he is the best player this month, then he does not get the top slot. Thats how the power rank does work.
I am essentially using your technique of assumptions: Stork will do well in GOM and PL.
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On November 16 2008 09:40 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2008 08:22 TarsTarkas wrote:
This is how I see it:
Stork and Bisu >> pretty much everyone
Stork would also be a slight favorite over Bisu.
Therefore, Stork should retain his number 1 spot.
OSL:
Stork > Bisu, Best, Fantasy
MSL:
Bisu > Hwasin, Firebathero, Free
Of those players, only Free approaches the caliber of Stork's opponents. Both Bisu and Stork have been straight up dominating their opponents when they win, and neither of them loose. I can't really see any reason to take Stork down just because his awesomeness is hidden by the OSL ending first. Bisu's pvp=Storks pvp Storks pvt> Bisu's pvt Bisu's pvz>>>>>>>>>>> storks pvz
I disagree.
Stork's PvP>Bisu's PvP
Stork's PvT>>Bisu's PvT
Bisu's PvZ>>Stork's PvZ
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i'm a huge bisu fan but he pretty much either needs to beat stork or maybe best in a series or crush a top tvp like flash or forgg before he can be ranked above stork. unless stork starts playing worse, of course.
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no slight against you oneother, but you're just not fake steve.
steeeevvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
come baaaaacccckkkkk
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If Bisu vs. Jangbi is absolutly dominanted by Bisu, and Stork screws up in GOM aganinst a no-name (and that isn't a Jaedong vs Han thing I mean losing to a no name that didn't play above his level) or a few PL games (read at least 2 no matter how bad any given game is), than I think Bisu can be ranked above Stork.
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On November 16 2008 10:24 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2008 09:40 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 08:22 TarsTarkas wrote:
This is how I see it:
Stork and Bisu >> pretty much everyone
Stork would also be a slight favorite over Bisu.
Therefore, Stork should retain his number 1 spot.
OSL:
Stork > Bisu, Best, Fantasy
MSL:
Bisu > Hwasin, Firebathero, Free
Of those players, only Free approaches the caliber of Stork's opponents. Both Bisu and Stork have been straight up dominating their opponents when they win, and neither of them loose. I can't really see any reason to take Stork down just because his awesomeness is hidden by the OSL ending first. Bisu's pvp=Storks pvp Storks pvt> Bisu's pvt Bisu's pvz>>>>>>>>>>> storks pvz I disagree. Stork's PvP>Bisu's PvP Stork's PvT>>Bisu's PvT Bisu's PvZ>>Stork's PvZ
You think Stork's PvT is tons better than Bisu's? While I agree that Stork is probably better PvT than Bisu, I don't think its by a large margin. Stork beat Fantasy 3-2 in a close series, and Fantasy hasn't been doing too well recently. Bisu on the other hand ass raped FBH and Hwasin, and FBH at least has seemed to be good at TvP recently.
I'd say its more like
Stork's PvP>Bisu's PvP
Stork's PvT>Bisu's PvT
Bisu' PvZ>>Stork's PvZ
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On November 16 2008 10:23 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2008 08:13 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 07:04 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 06:54 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 06:38 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 06:35 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 06:30 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 06:06 Dazed_Spy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Bisu number 1 on power rank uh no Um...yes. No, because Stork is the best player right now. Bisu can only come even close to being #1 if he beats Jangbi, which won't be an easy task. If he does win MSL, Stork is still at the top because his path to OSL was harder than Bisu's. He's going to win the MSL, and obviously my statement was meant only under that condition. Beyond that, what? Storks OSL was not this month. Storks OSL was last month. Who looks better this month? So far Bisu is advancing all across the boards and Stork has played a single PL game against a more than washed up terran. Stork and Bisu are very, very close. Stork can not live on past glories if he wants to-legitimately- retain his position. Yes, even if the past glory was a month ago. Stork better get going on GOM and PL... And btw, FS, just out and say it; are you coming back to the PR, or is oneother "helping you out" indefinitely? Retire or set a rough date, stop this limbo. That''s not how Power Ranking works. Stork won the OSL against very strong opponents - Bisu himself, BeSt, FanTasy, and will not be penalized for not playing. If Bisu wins, he will be right below Stork, same goes to JangBi. A player has never been taken down from the top spot because he didn't play, especially after winning OSL. Again, the ranking is not based purely on _this_ month, it's an accumulation of what happened on the previous ranking and how they met up this month. Not only does OSL title mean the actual prize, it also showed Stork is the best player right now. It will certainly be taken into account. As long as Stork performs pretty well in GOM and PL, there's absolutely no reason to put him below Bisu. None. OSL does not mean he is the best player. Nada won the OSL years back and did not even take 2nd spot. So in fact, did GGplay. A player is not penalized for not playing, but when he plays very little opponents, all of low to mid quality, and another player who, already last month was near equal with the #1 [stork], has exploded and dominated the scene, it is pretty damn obvious who takes the first spot. Power ranks are to determine the best player. If storks play this month does not show he is the best player this month, then he does not get the top slot. Thats how the power rank does work. I am essentially using your technique of assumptions: Stork will do well in GOM and PL.
You're so annoying to argue against but that's because you're so good.
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On November 16 2008 10:23 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2008 08:13 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 07:04 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 06:54 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 06:38 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 06:35 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 06:30 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 06:06 Dazed_Spy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Bisu number 1 on power rank uh no Um...yes. No, because Stork is the best player right now. Bisu can only come even close to being #1 if he beats Jangbi, which won't be an easy task. If he does win MSL, Stork is still at the top because his path to OSL was harder than Bisu's. He's going to win the MSL, and obviously my statement was meant only under that condition. Beyond that, what? Storks OSL was not this month. Storks OSL was last month. Who looks better this month? So far Bisu is advancing all across the boards and Stork has played a single PL game against a more than washed up terran. Stork and Bisu are very, very close. Stork can not live on past glories if he wants to-legitimately- retain his position. Yes, even if the past glory was a month ago. Stork better get going on GOM and PL... And btw, FS, just out and say it; are you coming back to the PR, or is oneother "helping you out" indefinitely? Retire or set a rough date, stop this limbo. That''s not how Power Ranking works. Stork won the OSL against very strong opponents - Bisu himself, BeSt, FanTasy, and will not be penalized for not playing. If Bisu wins, he will be right below Stork, same goes to JangBi. A player has never been taken down from the top spot because he didn't play, especially after winning OSL. Again, the ranking is not based purely on _this_ month, it's an accumulation of what happened on the previous ranking and how they met up this month. Not only does OSL title mean the actual prize, it also showed Stork is the best player right now. It will certainly be taken into account. As long as Stork performs pretty well in GOM and PL, there's absolutely no reason to put him below Bisu. None. OSL does not mean he is the best player. Nada won the OSL years back and did not even take 2nd spot. So in fact, did GGplay. A player is not penalized for not playing, but when he plays very little opponents, all of low to mid quality, and another player who, already last month was near equal with the #1 [stork], has exploded and dominated the scene, it is pretty damn obvious who takes the first spot. Power ranks are to determine the best player. If storks play this month does not show he is the best player this month, then he does not get the top slot. Thats how the power rank does work. I am essentially using your technique of assumptions: Stork will do well in GOM and PL. Not really an adequate response considering the Bisu VS Jangbi final will be concluded within this month, and therefore give us a good indication of Bisu's skill level in relation to Storks- and I think it will be a positive one. I leave a room for error however. Jangbi is fully capable of defeating Bisu, Stork is fully capable of defeating his opponents in GOM and PL in stellar fashion. However, it is equally plausible that Bisu will roll over Jangbi, and stork could under perform comparatively. It is you, not I, that has baseless claims [as of yet] on Storks skill compared to the #2.
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On November 16 2008 14:45 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2008 10:23 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 08:13 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 07:04 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 06:54 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 06:38 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 06:35 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 06:30 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 06:06 Dazed_Spy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Bisu number 1 on power rank uh no Um...yes. No, because Stork is the best player right now. Bisu can only come even close to being #1 if he beats Jangbi, which won't be an easy task. If he does win MSL, Stork is still at the top because his path to OSL was harder than Bisu's. He's going to win the MSL, and obviously my statement was meant only under that condition. Beyond that, what? Storks OSL was not this month. Storks OSL was last month. Who looks better this month? So far Bisu is advancing all across the boards and Stork has played a single PL game against a more than washed up terran. Stork and Bisu are very, very close. Stork can not live on past glories if he wants to-legitimately- retain his position. Yes, even if the past glory was a month ago. Stork better get going on GOM and PL... And btw, FS, just out and say it; are you coming back to the PR, or is oneother "helping you out" indefinitely? Retire or set a rough date, stop this limbo. That''s not how Power Ranking works. Stork won the OSL against very strong opponents - Bisu himself, BeSt, FanTasy, and will not be penalized for not playing. If Bisu wins, he will be right below Stork, same goes to JangBi. A player has never been taken down from the top spot because he didn't play, especially after winning OSL. Again, the ranking is not based purely on _this_ month, it's an accumulation of what happened on the previous ranking and how they met up this month. Not only does OSL title mean the actual prize, it also showed Stork is the best player right now. It will certainly be taken into account. As long as Stork performs pretty well in GOM and PL, there's absolutely no reason to put him below Bisu. None. OSL does not mean he is the best player. Nada won the OSL years back and did not even take 2nd spot. So in fact, did GGplay. A player is not penalized for not playing, but when he plays very little opponents, all of low to mid quality, and another player who, already last month was near equal with the #1 [stork], has exploded and dominated the scene, it is pretty damn obvious who takes the first spot. Power ranks are to determine the best player. If storks play this month does not show he is the best player this month, then he does not get the top slot. Thats how the power rank does work. I am essentially using your technique of assumptions: Stork will do well in GOM and PL. Not really an adequate response considering the Bisu VS Jangbi final will be concluded within this month, and therefore give us a good indication of Bisu's skill level in relation to Storks- and I think it will be a positive one. I leave a room for error however. Jangbi is fully capable of defeating Bisu, Stork is fully capable of defeating his opponents in GOM and PL in stellar fashion. However, it is equally plausible that Bisu will roll over Jangbi, and stork could under perform comparatively. It is you, not I, that has baseless claims [as of yet] on Storks skill compared to the #2.
Wait what? My point is even if Bisu beats Jangbi, Stork can secure his #1 spot by playing well in GOM and PL. All this month.
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On November 16 2008 14:22 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2008 10:24 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 09:40 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 08:22 TarsTarkas wrote:
This is how I see it:
Stork and Bisu >> pretty much everyone
Stork would also be a slight favorite over Bisu.
Therefore, Stork should retain his number 1 spot.
OSL:
Stork > Bisu, Best, Fantasy
MSL:
Bisu > Hwasin, Firebathero, Free
Of those players, only Free approaches the caliber of Stork's opponents. Both Bisu and Stork have been straight up dominating their opponents when they win, and neither of them loose. I can't really see any reason to take Stork down just because his awesomeness is hidden by the OSL ending first. Bisu's pvp=Storks pvp Storks pvt> Bisu's pvt Bisu's pvz>>>>>>>>>>> storks pvz I disagree. Stork's PvP>Bisu's PvP Stork's PvT>>Bisu's PvT Bisu's PvZ>>Stork's PvZ You think Stork's PvT is tons better than Bisu's? While I agree that Stork is probably better PvT than Bisu, I don't think its by a large margin. Stork beat Fantasy 3-2 in a close series, and Fantasy hasn't been doing too well recently. Bisu on the other hand ass raped FBH and Hwasin, and FBH at least has seemed to be good at TvP recently. I'd say its more like Stork's PvP>Bisu's PvP Stork's PvT>Bisu's PvT Bisu' PvZ>>Stork's PvZ
Haha, fair enough I guess.
On November 16 2008 12:58 Mora wrote:
no slight against you oneother, but you're just not fake steve.
steeeevvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
come baaaaacccckkkkk
lol uhhh ;o
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On November 16 2008 14:35 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2008 10:23 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 08:13 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 07:04 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 06:54 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 06:38 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 06:35 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 06:30 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 06:06 Dazed_Spy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Bisu number 1 on power rank uh no Um...yes. No, because Stork is the best player right now. Bisu can only come even close to being #1 if he beats Jangbi, which won't be an easy task. If he does win MSL, Stork is still at the top because his path to OSL was harder than Bisu's. He's going to win the MSL, and obviously my statement was meant only under that condition. Beyond that, what? Storks OSL was not this month. Storks OSL was last month. Who looks better this month? So far Bisu is advancing all across the boards and Stork has played a single PL game against a more than washed up terran. Stork and Bisu are very, very close. Stork can not live on past glories if he wants to-legitimately- retain his position. Yes, even if the past glory was a month ago. Stork better get going on GOM and PL... And btw, FS, just out and say it; are you coming back to the PR, or is oneother "helping you out" indefinitely? Retire or set a rough date, stop this limbo. That''s not how Power Ranking works. Stork won the OSL against very strong opponents - Bisu himself, BeSt, FanTasy, and will not be penalized for not playing. If Bisu wins, he will be right below Stork, same goes to JangBi. A player has never been taken down from the top spot because he didn't play, especially after winning OSL. Again, the ranking is not based purely on _this_ month, it's an accumulation of what happened on the previous ranking and how they met up this month. Not only does OSL title mean the actual prize, it also showed Stork is the best player right now. It will certainly be taken into account. As long as Stork performs pretty well in GOM and PL, there's absolutely no reason to put him below Bisu. None. OSL does not mean he is the best player. Nada won the OSL years back and did not even take 2nd spot. So in fact, did GGplay. A player is not penalized for not playing, but when he plays very little opponents, all of low to mid quality, and another player who, already last month was near equal with the #1 [stork], has exploded and dominated the scene, it is pretty damn obvious who takes the first spot. Power ranks are to determine the best player. If storks play this month does not show he is the best player this month, then he does not get the top slot. Thats how the power rank does work. I am essentially using your technique of assumptions: Stork will do well in GOM and PL. You're so annoying to argue against but that's because you're so good.
It feels like I argue with you pretty damn often :p
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On November 16 2008 14:56 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2008 14:35 Avidkeystamper wrote:On November 16 2008 10:23 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 08:13 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 07:04 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 06:54 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 06:38 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 06:35 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 06:30 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 06:06 Dazed_Spy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Bisu number 1 on power rank uh no Um...yes. No, because Stork is the best player right now. Bisu can only come even close to being #1 if he beats Jangbi, which won't be an easy task. If he does win MSL, Stork is still at the top because his path to OSL was harder than Bisu's. He's going to win the MSL, and obviously my statement was meant only under that condition. Beyond that, what? Storks OSL was not this month. Storks OSL was last month. Who looks better this month? So far Bisu is advancing all across the boards and Stork has played a single PL game against a more than washed up terran. Stork and Bisu are very, very close. Stork can not live on past glories if he wants to-legitimately- retain his position. Yes, even if the past glory was a month ago. Stork better get going on GOM and PL... And btw, FS, just out and say it; are you coming back to the PR, or is oneother "helping you out" indefinitely? Retire or set a rough date, stop this limbo. That''s not how Power Ranking works. Stork won the OSL against very strong opponents - Bisu himself, BeSt, FanTasy, and will not be penalized for not playing. If Bisu wins, he will be right below Stork, same goes to JangBi. A player has never been taken down from the top spot because he didn't play, especially after winning OSL. Again, the ranking is not based purely on _this_ month, it's an accumulation of what happened on the previous ranking and how they met up this month. Not only does OSL title mean the actual prize, it also showed Stork is the best player right now. It will certainly be taken into account. As long as Stork performs pretty well in GOM and PL, there's absolutely no reason to put him below Bisu. None. OSL does not mean he is the best player. Nada won the OSL years back and did not even take 2nd spot. So in fact, did GGplay. A player is not penalized for not playing, but when he plays very little opponents, all of low to mid quality, and another player who, already last month was near equal with the #1 [stork], has exploded and dominated the scene, it is pretty damn obvious who takes the first spot. Power ranks are to determine the best player. If storks play this month does not show he is the best player this month, then he does not get the top slot. Thats how the power rank does work. I am essentially using your technique of assumptions: Stork will do well in GOM and PL. You're so annoying to argue against but that's because you're so good. It feels like I argue with you pretty damn often :p
We're on at the same times and usually its late for one of us=arguing.
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On November 16 2008 14:22 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2008 10:24 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 09:40 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 08:22 TarsTarkas wrote:
This is how I see it:
Stork and Bisu >> pretty much everyone
Stork would also be a slight favorite over Bisu.
Therefore, Stork should retain his number 1 spot.
OSL:
Stork > Bisu, Best, Fantasy
MSL:
Bisu > Hwasin, Firebathero, Free
Of those players, only Free approaches the caliber of Stork's opponents. Both Bisu and Stork have been straight up dominating their opponents when they win, and neither of them loose. I can't really see any reason to take Stork down just because his awesomeness is hidden by the OSL ending first. Bisu's pvp=Storks pvp Storks pvt> Bisu's pvt Bisu's pvz>>>>>>>>>>> storks pvz I disagree. Stork's PvP>Bisu's PvP Stork's PvT>>Bisu's PvT Bisu's PvZ>>Stork's PvZ You think Stork's PvT is tons better than Bisu's? While I agree that Stork is probably better PvT than Bisu, I don't think its by a large margin. Stork beat Fantasy 3-2 in a close series, and Fantasy hasn't been doing too well recently. Bisu on the other hand ass raped FBH and Hwasin, and FBH at least has seemed to be good at TvP recently. I'd say its more like Stork's PvP>Bisu's PvP Stork's PvT>Bisu's PvT Bisu' PvZ>>Stork's PvZ
You do realize that Stork hasn't lost a series, a group game, or a PL game to a terran for the past 5 month, right?
The fact that Fantasy got 2 games off of him due to the finals-factor and having an extra week to prepare with Oov doesn't change the fact. Stork can roll out of the bed and just own pretty much any terran(perhaps except Flash) out there. Bisu's PvT is not comparable. It's very good, but it's not at the God level that Stork is right now.
That said, the OSL curse could very well set in quickly for Stork and he would quickly lose the oh-so-coveted TL.net Power Rank #1. 
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Okay,so Stork isn't no1 because he won the Osl,he is no1 because he did it by dominating three people ranked on the PR and playing well in all of the leagues. When July for example won it,he didn't get no1 spot because he played rock,backho and Best,all terrible P v Zers,and July showed really good play only against Best,and that time,the MSL was so much stronger with Flash,Jaedong,ForGG. The only way Bisu could be higher than Stork if Stork would have won the OSL by beating pepe,Violet,Dongrae in the ro 8,semis and finals,and would'nt have beaten Bisu,and even then only by choking in Proleague games. but he doesn't choke in the Proleague. And yeah,it is really early to discuss next months PR. Last month,the Stork Best match was like in the 21th day,and it was said that whoever wins will most likely be the no1,and in 10 days Best eventually fallen down to 7th. Time can do that much.
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On November 16 2008 17:10 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2008 14:22 Sentenal wrote:On November 16 2008 10:24 OneOther wrote:On November 16 2008 09:40 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 16 2008 08:22 TarsTarkas wrote:
This is how I see it:
Stork and Bisu >> pretty much everyone
Stork would also be a slight favorite over Bisu.
Therefore, Stork should retain his number 1 spot.
OSL:
Stork > Bisu, Best, Fantasy
MSL:
Bisu > Hwasin, Firebathero, Free
Of those players, only Free approaches the caliber of Stork's opponents. Both Bisu and Stork have been straight up dominating their opponents when they win, and neither of them loose. I can't really see any reason to take Stork down just because his awesomeness is hidden by the OSL ending first. Bisu's pvp=Storks pvp Storks pvt> Bisu's pvt Bisu's pvz>>>>>>>>>>> storks pvz I disagree. Stork's PvP>Bisu's PvP Stork's PvT>>Bisu's PvT Bisu's PvZ>>Stork's PvZ You think Stork's PvT is tons better than Bisu's? While I agree that Stork is probably better PvT than Bisu, I don't think its by a large margin. Stork beat Fantasy 3-2 in a close series, and Fantasy hasn't been doing too well recently. Bisu on the other hand ass raped FBH and Hwasin, and FBH at least has seemed to be good at TvP recently. I'd say its more like Stork's PvP>Bisu's PvP Stork's PvT>Bisu's PvT Bisu' PvZ>>Stork's PvZ You do realize that Stork hasn't lost a series, a group game, or a PL game to a terran for the past 5 month, right? The fact that Fantasy got 2 games off of him due to the finals-factor and having an extra week to prepare with Oov doesn't change the fact. Stork can roll out of the bed and just own pretty much any terran(perhaps except Flash) out there. Bisu's PvT is not comparable. It's very good, but it's not at the God level that Stork is right now. That said, the OSL curse could very well set in quickly for Stork and he would quickly lose the oh-so-coveted TL.net Power Rank #1.
K, Stork hasn't lost a series to a Terran in 5 months. Stork is very good PvT, I agree. Lets just look at recent history, though. Stork did drop 2 games to Fantasy, and 1 game to ForGG. Bisu hasn't dropped a single game to a Terran since FBH in MSL groups, and that was only 1 game. And before that it was Flash in OSL's group stage, which was even longer ago. One could argue that ForGG and Fantasy are both better players than FBH and Hwasin, which I would agree with. But then you look at how much those series were won by, and the gap narrows. Stork beat ForGG 2-1, and beat Fantasy 3-2. Bisu took Hwasin and FBH to school, going 2-0 and 3-0 respectively.
Stork's PvT is better, I won't argue that. I like Stork, hes my second favorite currently active Protoss right now. But I won't deny that Bisu is playing excellently as well, and his PvT isn't very far behind Stork's.
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What is the point of looking at statistics which were several month earlier. Yes,P v T WAS Bisu's achilles heel,and it was a good MU for Stork always. But Bisu looked great in the last P v T's. He didn't beat a good terran,that's through. But I think it's on the same level as Stork's P v Z,you can't tell what he's capable of against better players yet,so I don't think that you can say Stor P v T>>>> and Bisu's P v Z>>>>>. Bisu lost to Flash two months ago,and after that he exploded. Perhaps he would beat ForGG and Flash now. You can't tell that Bisu's P v T is not top notch right now.
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United States10774 Posts
Ugh Stork and Bisu are both amazing. But Stork's still the ownage 
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