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Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-14 06:08:58
November 14 2008 06:04 GMT
#201
On November 14 2008 09:13 malongo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 14 2008 02:37 TarsTarkas wrote:
No, Kal definitely belongs in the power rank - and OneOther was right about where to put him.

You say that Stork was playing at 60% of his capacity against Kal? Did you watch those games? Stork played very well (stork-like, in fact). The problem was that he didn't have too many specific things prepared.

Kal's play was excellent in that series, you can't say that Stork lost - Kal won it. His play in that series alone could place him on the power rank of this month.


I think your post his very poor, given that the discussion here is about overall performance and quality on a one month timeframe on 3 leagues and your only shouting kal 3-2 stork on msl. a) I watched the serie and rewatched to post here. b) Under my understanding of the game stork played very bad on games 1, and game 5, or at least on a very lesser level than he played against bisu, and best. He made unforced mistakes that ended in kal taking the advantage (wich kal capitalized) c) In games 1 and 3 kal tried plainly bad bos for a pvp R8 d) If a player dont prepare something "specific" for a game or group of games in a BOX series chances are he will be underplaying because he wont surprise his oponent nor prepare against his oponents surprises. That alone is like 15 % overall less play. e) Im not saying kal didnt play well but i think he played far from excellent f) If you go watch stork vs bisu and stork vs best and still dont think stork lost more than kal won, then maybe im stupid.

On November 14 2008 04:10 Darth Peter wrote:
There are no players more deserving of a spot than Kal. After he beat Stork,I didn't want to put him on the PR either,but FBH played like an ass. Got eliminated by Bogus,lame in PL,and Bisu 3-0d him. Okay Bisu is the man,but even then FBH should have won at least one game. Luxury,Calm. They haven't accomplished anything to overtake Kal yet. Maybe next month,if Luxury is actually starting to win good matches amd if Calm beats Stork. And if the Destroyer beats Free,he definitely deserves a spot,if he can keep it up in the Proleague like this.


Of course thats what im arguing, that some other players deserve that spot. ggplay and calm have accomplished this season as much as kal from what i see. ggplay got R4 on osl on a tougher path than kal, calm has a nice 7-2 PL record that i value has much as a R8 on any individual starleague. The last thing here is that even if you dont agree with these accomplishments, PR dont speaks of wins only but overall gameplay, and didnt saw a soo good overall play from kal in his games.

On November 14 2008 07:46 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2008 01:04 malongo wrote:
On November 13 2008 23:55 OneOther wrote:
Are you actually suggesting I should have put Kal lower than I did? Because if you are, you are just an idiot


im suggesting that kal doesnt belong to PR, that he belongs to CBNC. because
arguments


I know Kal isn't great in PL, which is why I put him at the eighth spot. I cannot see pusan, calm or ggplay above Kal because after all, he beat tough players to reach the semifinals of MSL. You do realize his games vs jangbi didn't count towards this, right? Kal isn't _great_ but there is nobody who deserves his current spot more than he does.


I realize that those games dont count, and I realize that PR is not going to change no matter what for any month after released, im not an idiot. Kal was seeded on msl his full path was:
stork+ sea on group stages, Iris R16, stork R8. His games against Iris=> poor, could have gone 1-2 easily, and im my opinion fantasy, forgg and some other terran could have trampled him. Then stork, and i think i made this point clear up the to the fanboy. I pointed that "nobody else deserve this spot" up in this post too. I have only one question to you oneother If kal wouldnt have won the last game against stork, (hypothetically) would still kal be number 8? im not trying to prove nothing nor trash your PR. Thanks in advance for your answer.

PS this is probably my last post here I dont want to risk a ban for being "too argumentative and critical of staff in the PR threads"


Kal also beat Stork in the groups + GGplay`s path in the OSL was waaaaaay easier. How can u say that he met stronger opponents ?! He only meet Flash, and Flash wasn`t in his best form right there, and we all know what happened on plasma. Check out TLPD, he defeated (P)BestGod, and then (P)Rock and (T)Light. I mean c`mon Sea>all of them.

Oh and relax, ur not goin to be banned. Please continue to post. If ur posts are presented in a mannered way, you`ll not get banned
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 15 2008 04:26 GMT
#202
On November 14 2008 11:08 Lebesgue wrote:
Calm is 7-4 now in proleague. He lost to Mind and Roro in the match against WeMade but somehow TL forgot to update that information. These games are not taken into account in his personal stats and his proleague record.


They're probably just late, The data usually gets updated (latest) as the vods get posted on nevake's youtube channel.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-15 05:43:04
November 15 2008 05:42 GMT
#203
Does this mean Bisu, Jaedong, Jangbi and Kal are not in clans?





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Jaedong
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
November 15 2008 07:01 GMT
#204
oh yes they are: Bisu[shield], n_die_Jaedong, Dream.t)Jangbi, and I can`t remember Kal's )
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 15 2008 07:05 GMT
#205
By.Goojila, I am pretty sure.
Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
November 15 2008 07:43 GMT
#206
Siz)Kal
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 15 2008 07:46 GMT
#207
Siz) changed to By. long time ago
Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-15 11:15:06
November 15 2008 11:14 GMT
#208
+ Show Spoiler +
Bisu all the Way!!!!
Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
November 15 2008 15:48 GMT
#209
1 zerg T.T
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
November 15 2008 21:06 GMT
#210
+ Show Spoiler +
Bisu number 1 on power rank
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 15 2008 21:30 GMT
#211
On November 16 2008 06:06 Dazed_Spy wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Bisu number 1 on power rank

uh no
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
November 15 2008 21:35 GMT
#212
On November 16 2008 06:30 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2008 06:06 Dazed_Spy wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Bisu number 1 on power rank

uh no
Um...yes.
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 15 2008 21:38 GMT
#213
On November 16 2008 06:35 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2008 06:30 OneOther wrote:
On November 16 2008 06:06 Dazed_Spy wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Bisu number 1 on power rank

uh no
Um...yes.

No, because Stork is the best player right now.
Bisu can only come even close to being #1 if he beats Jangbi, which won't be an easy task. If he does win MSL, Stork is still at the top because his path to OSL was harder than Bisu's.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
November 15 2008 21:54 GMT
#214
On November 16 2008 06:38 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2008 06:35 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On November 16 2008 06:30 OneOther wrote:
On November 16 2008 06:06 Dazed_Spy wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Bisu number 1 on power rank

uh no
Um...yes.

No, because Stork is the best player right now.
Bisu can only come even close to being #1 if he beats Jangbi, which won't be an easy task. If he does win MSL, Stork is still at the top because his path to OSL was harder than Bisu's.
He's going to win the MSL, and obviously my statement was meant only under that condition. Beyond that, what? Storks OSL was not this month. Storks OSL was last month. Who looks better this month? So far Bisu is advancing all across the boards and Stork has played a single PL game against a more than washed up terran. Stork and Bisu are very, very close. Stork can not live on past glories if he wants to-legitimately- retain his position. Yes, even if the past glory was a month ago. Stork better get going on GOM and PL...


And btw, FS, just out and say it; are you coming back to the PR, or is oneother "helping you out" indefinitely? Retire or set a rough date, stop this limbo.
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 15 2008 22:04 GMT
#215
On November 16 2008 06:54 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2008 06:38 OneOther wrote:
On November 16 2008 06:35 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On November 16 2008 06:30 OneOther wrote:
On November 16 2008 06:06 Dazed_Spy wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Bisu number 1 on power rank

uh no
Um...yes.

No, because Stork is the best player right now.
Bisu can only come even close to being #1 if he beats Jangbi, which won't be an easy task. If he does win MSL, Stork is still at the top because his path to OSL was harder than Bisu's.
He's going to win the MSL, and obviously my statement was meant only under that condition. Beyond that, what? Storks OSL was not this month. Storks OSL was last month. Who looks better this month? So far Bisu is advancing all across the boards and Stork has played a single PL game against a more than washed up terran. Stork and Bisu are very, very close. Stork can not live on past glories if he wants to-legitimately- retain his position. Yes, even if the past glory was a month ago. Stork better get going on GOM and PL...


And btw, FS, just out and say it; are you coming back to the PR, or is oneother "helping you out" indefinitely? Retire or set a rough date, stop this limbo.

That''s not how Power Ranking works. Stork won the OSL against very strong opponents - Bisu himself, BeSt, FanTasy, and will not be penalized for not playing. If Bisu wins, he will be right below Stork, same goes to JangBi. A player has never been taken down from the top spot because he didn't play, especially after winning OSL. Again, the ranking is not based purely on _this_ month, it's an accumulation of what happened on the previous ranking and how they met up this month. Not only does OSL title mean the actual prize, it also showed Stork is the best player right now. It will certainly be taken into account. As long as Stork performs pretty well in GOM and PL, there's absolutely no reason to put him below Bisu. None.
Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
November 15 2008 23:06 GMT
#216
Stork must be really lame this month to lose his no1 spot. He must be eliminated from Gom and must suck at PL really hard,because nobody did ever lose the no1 spot because of his lack of games. Stork doesn't have enough games this month because he was busy last month. But that is also truth to Jangbi, if he beats Bisu,that's not enough for him to take no2. Bisu must suck,and Jangbi must win all his PL matches. But that won't come into consideration because Bisu will rape the shit out of him.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-15 23:14:15
November 15 2008 23:13 GMT
#217
On November 16 2008 07:04 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2008 06:54 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On November 16 2008 06:38 OneOther wrote:
On November 16 2008 06:35 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On November 16 2008 06:30 OneOther wrote:
On November 16 2008 06:06 Dazed_Spy wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Bisu number 1 on power rank

uh no
Um...yes.

No, because Stork is the best player right now.
Bisu can only come even close to being #1 if he beats Jangbi, which won't be an easy task. If he does win MSL, Stork is still at the top because his path to OSL was harder than Bisu's.
He's going to win the MSL, and obviously my statement was meant only under that condition. Beyond that, what? Storks OSL was not this month. Storks OSL was last month. Who looks better this month? So far Bisu is advancing all across the boards and Stork has played a single PL game against a more than washed up terran. Stork and Bisu are very, very close. Stork can not live on past glories if he wants to-legitimately- retain his position. Yes, even if the past glory was a month ago. Stork better get going on GOM and PL...


And btw, FS, just out and say it; are you coming back to the PR, or is oneother "helping you out" indefinitely? Retire or set a rough date, stop this limbo.

That''s not how Power Ranking works. Stork won the OSL against very strong opponents - Bisu himself, BeSt, FanTasy, and will not be penalized for not playing. If Bisu wins, he will be right below Stork, same goes to JangBi. A player has never been taken down from the top spot because he didn't play, especially after winning OSL. Again, the ranking is not based purely on _this_ month, it's an accumulation of what happened on the previous ranking and how they met up this month. Not only does OSL title mean the actual prize, it also showed Stork is the best player right now. It will certainly be taken into account. As long as Stork performs pretty well in GOM and PL, there's absolutely no reason to put him below Bisu. None.
OSL does not mean he is the best player. Nada won the OSL years back and did not even take 2nd spot. So in fact, did GGplay. A player is not penalized for not playing, but when he plays very little opponents, all of low to mid quality, and another player who, already last month was near equal with the #1 [stork], has exploded and dominated the scene, it is pretty damn obvious who takes the first spot.

Power ranks are to determine the best player. If storks play this month does not show he is the best player this month, then he does not get the top slot. Thats how the power rank does work.
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TarsTarkas
Profile Joined April 2007
United States169 Posts
November 15 2008 23:22 GMT
#218
This is how I see it:

Stork and Bisu >> pretty much everyone

Stork would also be a slight favorite over Bisu.

Therefore, Stork should retain his number 1 spot.

OSL:
Stork > Bisu, Best, Fantasy

MSL:
Bisu > Hwasin, Firebathero, Free

Of those players, only Free approaches the caliber of Stork's opponents. Both Bisu and Stork have been straight up dominating their opponents when they win, and neither of them loose. I can't really see any reason to take Stork down just because his awesomeness is hidden by the OSL ending first.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
November 16 2008 00:27 GMT
#219
Isn't it a bit early to make next month's, I mean, there's still half the month left. Even if another Starleague is ending, even if Bisu absolute rapes Jangbi in the finals, I think Stork will still be first.
Jaedong
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
November 16 2008 00:40 GMT
#220
On November 16 2008 08:22 TarsTarkas wrote:
This is how I see it:

Stork and Bisu >> pretty much everyone

Stork would also be a slight favorite over Bisu.

Therefore, Stork should retain his number 1 spot.

OSL:
Stork > Bisu, Best, Fantasy

MSL:
Bisu > Hwasin, Firebathero, Free

Of those players, only Free approaches the caliber of Stork's opponents. Both Bisu and Stork have been straight up dominating their opponents when they win, and neither of them loose. I can't really see any reason to take Stork down just because his awesomeness is hidden by the OSL ending first.


Bisu's pvp=Storks pvp
Storks pvt> Bisu's pvt
Bisu's pvz>>>>>>>>>>> storks pvz


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