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Probably gas walk. Haven't seen the vid it might be lucky unit placement box. But if not gas walk is illegal in competitive play but since ladder doesn't enforce any rules it s legal there by default, if frowned upon
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On December 17 2024 09:58 WGT-Baal wrote:
Probably gas walk. Haven't seen the vid it might be lucky unit placement box. But if not gas walk is illegal in competitive play but since ladder doesn't enforce any rules it s legal there by default, if frowned upon
What about the Ally/Vision actions in the replay file?
![[image loading]](https://i.ibb.co/87wrd26/allyvision.png)
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I downloaded a few more from CWALL and I saw the same thing in a few more games:
![[image loading]](https://i.ibb.co/RTJB925/Dandy-vs-Bar-Code.png)
![[image loading]](https://i.ibb.co/j5Wb6Rp/Dandy-vs-DA-DA-DA.png)
![[image loading]](https://i.ibb.co/C1WyKDT/Dandy-vs-GG-Yeon.png)
![[image loading]](https://i.ibb.co/cJh1cmZ/Dandy-vs-STP.png)
Some of these are on the S-Rank account (didn't check all, just a select few).
OBS. I don't know if the ally/vision is a sign of hack? someone please confirm.
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Mini + Queen vs Snow + Soulkey right now , on that UMS FS map ... too bad i don't understand kr....
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On December 17 2024 10:46 ...onmYwaY wrote:I downloaded a few more from CWALL and I saw the same thing in a few more games: Some of these are on the S-Rank account (didn't check all, just a select few). OBS. I don't know if the ally/vision is a sign of hack? someone please confirm.
can you exclude the other player from the input list and show a slightly longer list of his actions. because if the ally + vision happens in the same second as other actions it is definitely impossible with manual inputs.
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United States9940 Posts
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Is funny to this day i still dont know how that shit works :D
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On December 18 2024 02:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Is funny to this day i still dont know how that shit works :D
I think he used the Ally/Vision thing vs. you too. ROMULUS - right?
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On December 17 2024 23:20 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
can you exclude the other player from the input list and show a slightly longer list of his actions. because if the ally + vision happens in the same second as other actions it is definitely impossible with manual inputs.
Here is the 2 adjecent seconds between the Ally/Vision combo in 4 recent games...
vs.Lenient (MMR 2283)
+ Show Spoiler +00:01:23 OnlyWraiths Select121 SCV 11435
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths Move D9 0E F0 01 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths Move C0 0B 20 09 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths Move C0 0C 60 0D 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths Move 00 0D A0 0D 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths HotKey Assign,1
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths HotKey Assign,1
00:01:24 OnlyWraiths Move 3F 0E A3 0E 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:24 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:24 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:24 OnlyWraiths Ally 02 00 40 00
00:01:24 OnlyWraiths Vision 01 00
00:01:24 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths Select121 SCV(x7) 11441,11443,11439,11444,11445,11437,11435
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths Select121 19675,SCV,SCV,SCV,SCV,SCV,SCV,SCV,SCV,SCV 19675,11433,11446,11441,11443,11439,11444,11445,11437,11435
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths 0x 61 40 0F C8 01 00 00 00 00 E4 00 28 00
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
vs.안승배 (MMR 2455)
+ Show Spoiler +00:00:03 llllllllIIIIlll Move 64 00 9C 0E BF 2C 00 00 E4 00 00
00:00:03 llllllllIIIIlll Move 63 00 9C 0E BF 2C 00 00 E4 00 00 00 13 01 07
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Ally 20 00 40 00
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Vision 04 00
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Select121 Command Center 11447
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Move FD 00 F1 0E 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00 00 13 01 07 00 63 04 B8 2C 00 00 BA 2C 00 00 BB 2C 00 00 B9 2C...
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll HotKey Assign,2
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Move EB 00 2B 0F 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00 00 13 01 07
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Move ED 00 31 0F 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll HotKey Select,2
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Select121 SCV,11443,11445,11446 11444,11443,11445,11446
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll HotKey Select,2
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll HotKey Select,2
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Select121 SCV,11443,11445,11446 11444,11443,11445,11446
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll HotKey Select,2
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Select121 SCV,11443,11445,11446 11444,11443,11445,11446
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll HotKey Select,2
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Select121 SCV,11443,11445,11446 11444,11443,11445,11446
vs.DIC_Soccer (MMR 2102)
+ Show Spoiler +00:01:23 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths 0x 61 10 01 63 0F 00 00 00 00 E4 00 28 00 00 13 01 04
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
00:01:24 OnlyWraiths Ally 08 00 40 00
00:01:24 OnlyWraiths Vision 02 00
00:01:24 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths Select121 11439
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
vs.AK_STRIVE (MMR 2037)
+ Show Spoiler +00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths Move BF 02 8F 02 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths Move B7 02 52 02 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths Move B3 02 3A 02 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths Move 9D 02 39 02 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:26 OnlyWraiths Move 9A 02 4D 02 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00 00 60 99 00 DE 0E 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00 00 13 00 04
00:01:27 OnlyWraiths Ally 80 00 40 00
00:01:27 OnlyWraiths Vision 08 00
00:01:27 OnlyWraiths Move 89 02 83 02 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00 00 60 96 00 CD 0E 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:27 OnlyWraiths Build Build,(19,17),Barracks
00:01:28 OnlyWraiths Move 62 00 32 01 F3 2C 00 00 E4 00 01
00:01:28 OnlyWraiths Select121 Command Center 11465
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On December 18 2024 01:06 FlaShFTW wrote:
Ah so Dandy's a cheater?
I need someone to confirm that the Ally/Vision commands that are popping up in BWChart is a sign of maphack. If that is the case then it looks like he is using maphack at least on ladder (I hope the BSL-team is dilligent to check the games during competition).
I am confused since Dandy is obviously a S-rank player capable of winning anyway. But I am old enough to remember news like this www.gosugamers.net. Yeh WGT was competitive, sure but TreK never came back after that.
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On December 18 2024 03:41 ...onmYwaY wrote:I need someone to confirm that the Ally/Vision commands that are popping up in BWChart is a sign of maphack. If that is the case then it looks like he is using maphack at least on ladder (I hope the BSL-team is dilligent to check the games during competition). I am confused since Dandy is obviously a S-rank player capable of winning anyway. But I am old enough to remember news like this www.gosugamers.net. Yeh WGT was competitive, sure but TreK never came back after that.
He is not hacking or using any program. It is just a bug that you can do touching the extractor. Idk exactly how they do it.
I have seen programers doing it to troll for his viewers etc. Is not allowed in official competitions.
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Russian Federation361 Posts
On December 18 2024 03:41 ...onmYwaY wrote:I need someone to confirm that the Ally/Vision commands that are popping up in BWChart is a sign of maphack. If that is the case then it looks like he is using maphack at least on ladder (I hope the BSL-team is dilligent to check the games during competition). I am confused since Dandy is obviously a S-rank player capable of winning anyway. But I am old enough to remember news like this www.gosugamers.net. Yeh WGT was competitive, sure but TreK never came back after that.
It is not a sign of maphack.
This command registered when you click on diplomacy button during the game.
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Hm... I did not realize that he was streaming (never heard of KICK) - OK. Apparently, that is an exploit that I've never seen.
Based on the comments Dandy does not maphack. He just likes to check the opponents race every game 
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On December 18 2024 04:05 ...onmYwaY wrote:Hm... I did not realize that he was streaming (never heard of KICK) - OK. Apparently, that is an exploit that I've never seen. Based on the comments Dandy does not maphack. He just likes to check the opponents race every game
I also always click the diplomacy. Is an habit almost. To double check the race or check the id. I do it every game at the start of the game. Is an habit honestly.
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United States9940 Posts
On December 18 2024 04:05 ...onmYwaY wrote:Hm... I did not realize that he was streaming (never heard of KICK) - OK. Apparently, that is an exploit that I've never seen. Based on the comments Dandy does not maphack. He just likes to check the opponents race every game
The gas trick to get through an opponent's hold positioned units is bug abuse. Ladder won't enforce it but tournaments will. It's the same as cheating to me.
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On December 18 2024 03:40 ...onmYwaY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2024 23:20 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
can you exclude the other player from the input list and show a slightly longer list of his actions. because if the ally + vision happens in the same second as other actions it is definitely impossible with manual inputs. Here is the 2 adjecent seconds between the Ally/Vision combo in 4 recent games... vs.Lenient (MMR 2283) + Show Spoiler +00:01:23 OnlyWraiths Select121 SCV 11435
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths Move D9 0E F0 01 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths Move C0 0B 20 09 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths Move C0 0C 60 0D 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths Move 00 0D A0 0D 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths HotKey Assign,1
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths HotKey Assign,1
00:01:24 OnlyWraiths Move 3F 0E A3 0E 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:24 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:24 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:24 OnlyWraiths Ally 02 00 40 00
00:01:24 OnlyWraiths Vision 01 00
00:01:24 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths Select121 SCV(x7) 11441,11443,11439,11444,11445,11437,11435
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths Select121 19675,SCV,SCV,SCV,SCV,SCV,SCV,SCV,SCV,SCV 19675,11433,11446,11441,11443,11439,11444,11445,11437,11435
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths 0x 61 40 0F C8 01 00 00 00 00 E4 00 28 00
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1 vs.안승배 (MMR 2455) + Show Spoiler +00:00:03 llllllllIIIIlll Move 64 00 9C 0E BF 2C 00 00 E4 00 00
00:00:03 llllllllIIIIlll Move 63 00 9C 0E BF 2C 00 00 E4 00 00 00 13 01 07
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Ally 20 00 40 00
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Vision 04 00
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Select121 Command Center 11447
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Move FD 00 F1 0E 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00 00 13 01 07 00 63 04 B8 2C 00 00 BA 2C 00 00 BB 2C 00 00 B9 2C...
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll HotKey Assign,2
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Move EB 00 2B 0F 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00 00 13 01 07
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Move ED 00 31 0F 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll HotKey Select,2
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Select121 SCV,11443,11445,11446 11444,11443,11445,11446
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll HotKey Select,2
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll HotKey Select,2
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Select121 SCV,11443,11445,11446 11444,11443,11445,11446
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll HotKey Select,2
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Select121 SCV,11443,11445,11446 11444,11443,11445,11446
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll HotKey Select,2
00:00:04 llllllllIIIIlll Select121 SCV,11443,11445,11446 11444,11443,11445,11446 vs.DIC_Soccer (MMR 2102) + Show Spoiler +00:01:23 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,2
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths 0x 61 10 01 63 0F 00 00 00 00 E4 00 28 00 00 13 01 04
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
00:01:23 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
00:01:24 OnlyWraiths Ally 08 00 40 00
00:01:24 OnlyWraiths Vision 02 00
00:01:24 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths Select121 11439
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1 vs.AK_STRIVE (MMR 2037) + Show Spoiler +00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths HotKey Select,1
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths Move BF 02 8F 02 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths Move B7 02 52 02 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths Move B3 02 3A 02 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:25 OnlyWraiths Move 9D 02 39 02 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:26 OnlyWraiths Move 9A 02 4D 02 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00 00 60 99 00 DE 0E 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00 00 13 00 04
00:01:27 OnlyWraiths Ally 80 00 40 00
00:01:27 OnlyWraiths Vision 08 00
00:01:27 OnlyWraiths Move 89 02 83 02 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00 00 60 96 00 CD 0E 00 00 00 00 E4 00 00
00:01:27 OnlyWraiths Build Build,(19,17),Barracks
00:01:28 OnlyWraiths Move 62 00 32 01 F3 2C 00 00 E4 00 01
00:01:28 OnlyWraiths Select121 Command Center 11465
Ah these inputs look normal to me. Don't think there's anything wrong.
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