Which run was more impressive? TaeJa '12 vs Clem '24

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MJG

United Kingdom790 Posts

September 17 2024 09:07 GMT

#41

On September 17 2024 14:17 ejozl wrote:
Ppl have more honed mechanics which make the barrier to entry way higher, but due to the game being so thinned out, the avg gm back in those days were way smarter than the avg gm today. Goody and sjow who were extremely low apm would still easily get gm today and probably easier than back in those days.

Goody still plays and is indeed GM.

https://sc2pulse.nephest.com/sc2/?type=character&id=682558&m=1#player-stats-mmr

Expensive-Law-9830

63 Posts

September 17 2024 09:53 GMT

#42

Jaeyun went GM in 27 days without even knowing what half the units do... And Jaeyun isn't even close to Korean amateur level.

vg162

6 Posts

September 17 2024 14:48 GMT

#43

Yeah but Jaeyun did it with protoss

WombaT

Northern Ireland22759 Posts

September 17 2024 14:59 GMT

#44

On September 17 2024 17:38 Charoisaur wrote:

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On September 17 2024 08:12 Fango wrote:

On September 17 2024 03:31 Hider wrote:

On September 16 2024 06:03 Fango wrote:

On September 15 2024 23:58 Blitzball04 wrote:

On September 15 2024 17:10 Haighstrom wrote:
I remember being more hyped about the Taeja runs, but it's a long time ago and memory gets unreliable. Which tournaments were the best to rewatch, does anyone remember?

To be honest I tried watching a few older games but was unable to finish. Wol and hots games are now unwatchable for me due to the lower skill level and games were quite slow.

Pro games back then are now basically any ladder games between 2 low masters players (and there being quite generous)

It's literally just because LoTV games are sped up, they have no early game and are more action packed compared to WoL or HotS.

Plenty of GMs and competitive players from WoL jumped back in during LoTV and were still GM straight away. The idea that pro games from 2011 onwards would be masters now is unfounded. 2024 master league is not even remotely close to being any year of Taeja.

Hell, I was masters years and years back, and I'm still masters now even though I play a few games a year (if that). Skill level really hasn't changed that much. I also wouldn't have a shot against a pro from any era.

One of my favorite moments

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But geez is idra's engagement control some of the worst I have ever seen. Mind you this was some of the highest level TvZ vs ZvT at the time.

if you showed me Idra's engagement today I would have predicted diamond-level. I don't think any master zerg could mess up any engagement that bad.

Yeah people really don't have a clue about what diamond is actually like. Pro games from WoL would be, at worst, GM games now. They wouldn't be any lower.

You can pick the single most famous blunder (from over a year before the topic of Taeja's run by the way) in sc2 history but it's nowhere near the mess of errors and complete lack of gamesense you see in every diamond/masters games.

He would still be GM if you teleported him from 2011 to today. Plenty of competitive WoL players jumped back in a decade later and were GM straight away.

Yeah I think many masters players are in complete delusion about how good they are. That's why I like Harstems Is it imba or do I suck series, it really emphathizes the complete lack of game sense/mechanics/logical thinking of diamond/masters players. No masters player would be able to compete anywhere near pro level in any era (okay, maybe in the very first GSL)

On the flip side we are all a bit harsh sometimes too, you’re still pretty decent at RTS games if you can hit Masters, and it’s a hard game.

But 100% the gap is a chasm. Even the higher level players Harstem showcases are hitting even the earliest checkpoints in their build seconds off what pros are, and this just compounds the further along you go. Like the MMR gap between a decent, solid pro like Harstem and even good amateur GMs is pretty large, it’s ballpark at least as big as that between a solid Master and a Plat player, if not larger.

There’s a reason those guys are progamers after all, even now we don’t really see any of the amateurs entering weeklies doing much at all.

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