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On July 15 2024 04:53 TentativePanda wrote:I think that calling it an insurrection, or even an attack really, is wildly disproportionate attempt to create hysteria. Which works REALLY well on fools with no capacity to reason. Trump literally just survived an assassination attempt and yet you point to this faux coup as the most recent threat to democracy - craven, you're fucking craven my guy
Were you living under a rock at the time? People entered US Capitol and rioted, making a mess of the place. I know because I saw photos at the time. Also, I don't know how you connect 6 January with Trump's assassination attempt. Both events aren't related, except that Trump attracts violence in both directions (6 January and against himself). If you like Trump, a f*cking dictator who can't accept he lost elections and preferred to riot, then that speaks enough about your beliefs in democracy.
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On July 15 2024 00:50 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2024 18:09 WombaT wrote:On July 14 2024 16:37 BlackJack wrote:
I attended a Joe Biden rally in 2008 and remember seeing snipes on basically every rooftop/vantage point. He was a candidate for Vice President at the time. Trump has arguably an exponentially larger target on his back. Seems they dropped the ball pretty hard here. Indeed. Incompetence before malice and all that, but I imagine this will be jumped upon from the usual suspects before long. On July 14 2024 17:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 14 2024 13:28 Introvert wrote:
We don't know enough yet to make many judgments (so we csn hold off on comparing to the guy who went to kill Kavanaugh or the one attacked the GOP baseball game)... but we can already see the problem with having the volume turned to 11 on everything. It's bad to have people convincing themselves that democracy is on the line. Guess what, having a candidate shot and killed is also bad for democracy, almost by definition. Too much whishy-washy, mealy mouthed stuff already. This isn't worded accurately. It's bad that democracy really is on the line. Trump has been jeopardizing American democracy for years, with his rhetoric and actions, and his supporters are okay with undermining democracy too (which many of them may not realize they're doing, because they may sincerely believe the lies that Trump and other Republican leaders peddle about widespread voter fraud and a stolen 2020 election). Democrats aren't "convincing themselves" that Trump is a fascist; Democrats are accurately recognizing that Trump is a fascist. Pretty much this. There were numerous opportune moments to hop off that train, now it appears to be travelling too fast to safely disembark. It’s either extreme ignorance, or extreme arrogance to think one can piss over various norms and ramp up the rhetoric without it having those negative impacts. In politics, as in many domains, actions have their associated reactions. Jan 6th was a pretty obvious time to if not dethrone Trump, which appears unviable, then to at least rein in his worst impulses and his party completely bottled it. No there are those, including in this thread, who say we are in danger of fascism and that Trump can be compared to Hitler in 1932. This was recently the cover The New Republic + Show Spoiler +I know eveyone has been taken in by Dem rhetoric but im just asking people to look at what they do. None of their political decisions have indicated they actually believe we are on the brink, to the contrary they have treated Trump like their golden goose to winning elections. Trump's behavior last time around was bad (though I dont think he incited the riot, just was too weak to stop it) but that scenario can't even happen again. He won't have the office to use should he lose again, ans he would be term limited. But I know those things are hard for some people to accept, so again I just want people to ask themselves "If Dems say Trump is a threat to democracy, why don't they act like it?"
This seems incongruous in combination with many a claim that the Dems are trying to engage in politically-motivated, largely unprecedented impeachments and criminal prosecutions against Trump.
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On July 15 2024 04:53 TentativePanda wrote:I think that calling it an insurrection, or even an attack really, is wildly disproportionate attempt to create hysteria. Which works REALLY well on fools with no capacity to reason.
The irony here is astounding. Downplaying a violent insurrection aimed at denying fair election results and harming political leaders, while calling others incapable of reasoning? It's certainly your right to take that position, but don't blame others for judging your for it.
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On July 15 2024 04:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2024 04:41 TentativePanda wrote:On July 15 2024 04:24 oBlade wrote:On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 14 2024 11:26 c0ldfusion wrote:
You people are literal ghouls. This past January, Trump told the grieving families of an Iowa school shooting to "get over it" and just "move forward". Trump told them (addressing the entire community & state) in a very somber voice "it's horrible to see that happening... we have to get over it, we have to move forward." This is why you left the "just" out of your quotation marks, because even you knew that would be over the line of dishonest. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-tells-supporters-get-iowa-school-shooting-move-forward-rcna132610On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
A bullet grazed Trump's ear? Get over it. Move forward. He did that when he asked for his shoes, stood up and said, "Fight, fight." On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Not to mention the tens of thousands of annual gun-related deaths and hundreds of annual mass shootings that Republicans don't even remotely care about, despite every single one of those gun victims being far less toxic and destructive to America than Trump. I don't mean to put words in their mouths, but Republicans do care about crime, law and order is one of their key issues, this is a basic thing to know about your opposition, and many of those victims you mention are literal gang members shooting at each other. On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Trump has way more blood on his hands than what came from his ear. Name two. On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I'd much rather beat Trump in an election than have him assassinated, but he's absolutely the last person to deserve any sympathy. Deserve or not, he doesn't need your sympathy and didn't ask for it, so it's a moot issue. The issue is that disregarding any semblance of principles and morality doesn't give you a moral high ground. If you have to abandon them and resort to assassination apologism to try to stop the alleged "Worst American," (your words), you may have been wrong about your righteousness to begin with - perhaps people voting for someone you don't like isn't really "undermining democracy." Democracy isn't on the line. You're just losing. Don't think you can replace ballots with bullets. On July 14 2024 20:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 14 2024 08:59 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On July 14 2024 07:50 farvacola wrote:
My gut tells me it was staged, but we shall see. Something isn’t adding up More likely just another deranged leftist who saw Trump up +6 vs Biden in latest NYT/Siena poll That's weirdly cherry-picked. Some polls still have Biden (or other Dem alternatives) barely ahead or tied with Trump in a head-to-head race. Of course, other polls also put Trump ahead, especially when factoring in third-party candidates. https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls/president/general-election One could have just as easily asserted that it's "more likely just another deranged" conservative who thought Trump would benefit from the sympathy of a failed assassination attempt, since Trump's poll numbers didn't skyrocket from Biden's poor debate performance. It's silly to speculate in these ways, whether it's about the whole thing being staged, or the whole thing being a reaction to a few inconspicuous polls in either direction. What "another?" Do you have any single example of a Republican supporter false flag fake assassinating one of their own people and ending up as cherry pie on a roof tile in order to help their poll numbers?You could assert pigs fly just as easily as anything, the ease with which you can assert something is not related to how relatively likely it is to be true. Here's my speculation. The sitting resident of the White House days ago said "We're done talking about the debate, it's time to put Trump in a bullseye." Two days ago he said, "I mean this from the bottom of my heart, Trump is a threat to this nation." Weeks before that he tweeted: https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1806745000971296833The Huffington Post days ago ran with "Supreme Court Gives Joe Biden The Legal OK To Assassinate Donald Trump" as a headline. CNN posted Trump "fell" and the NYT front page says Trump was hurt at a "shooting." I personally saw this + Show Spoiler +on Wikipedia during the peak of confusion somehow injected over the page about the assassination attempt. Lee Zeldin was attacked. Two Republican councilmembers from New Jersey were killed. Maxine Waters said she would take Trump out. The sitting resident said he would take him behind the gym and beat him up. Colorado Rep Woodrow tells us "We don't need sympathy for the devil" after Trump is shot. The assistant to Congressman Thompson who proposed the Secret Service removal bill said if you're going to attempt assassination, please learn to aim. Rep Goldman went on TV and said Trump has to be "eliminated." Madonna thought a lot about blowing up the WH, or so she said in front of cameras in front of a huge crowd. Kathy Griffin - too tasteless to repeat. Rand Paul got assaulted and we heard "Today we are all Rand Paul's neighbor." Pelosi said he was right to attack him. This is 90% one side and it's a reaction to an imagined caricature of Hitler Republicans that coming on 2 generations have been brainwashed into. The same people pushing this shit now wait until the shooter missed and they overplayed their hand to be like "Oh actually let's be civil." Politicians, at least. The media are still all in on Orange Hitler. The Atlantic is recommending Trump use this chance to remind people not to be violent. Perhaps he will set an example by promising not to get shot again? There's your "deranged leftists" that you could speculate this is another of. There's your "stochastic terrorism." That is made-up nebulous bullshit so Blue people are justified in saying and doing whatever they want against it. Decent people everywhere should be and are ashamed to be associated with this lunacy, and we are happy to welcome you back at any time. The SS better be on 500% alert because if one 20 year old idiot can get this close, who knows what could happen. I applaud you for taking the time to write this masterclass rebuttal to these craven manchildren who absolutely will not ever be critical of the thoughts being fed to them. It's honestly scary how many people, right or left, feel that this election is life or death for them or others. We are talking about two people who have been president and basically nothing materially changed in anyone's lives across their presidencies (at least because of their presidency). He simply is NOT a threat to democracy no matter how badly people WANT him to be in order to say "I told you so", which is so damn insidious The repeal of Roe v. Wade has absolutely materially changed people's lives. Also, it's insane to suggest that Trump isn't a threat to democracy just because his attempt at overthrowing democracy failed. I'll try to respond to oBlade's post when I have significantly more time.
We can get into nitty gritty policy details, but the big picture is this. Trump was president for 4 years. Did democracy end? Were we a fascist country? Stop playing pretend in your weird little fantasy world based on movies you saw and fearmongering posts by cringe media elites. THEN we can discuss who we'd vote for based on policy - and guess what, you're talking to someone who DOESN'T support the majority of Trump's positions.
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On July 15 2024 04:59 SC-Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2024 04:53 TentativePanda wrote:On July 15 2024 04:47 SC-Shield wrote:If Trump isn't a threat to democracy, then what do you say about Capitol attack? I think that calling it an insurrection, or even an attack really, is wildly disproportionate attempt to create hysteria. Which works REALLY well on fools with no capacity to reason. Trump literally just survived an assassination attempt and yet you point to this faux coup as the most recent threat to democracy - craven, you're fucking craven my guy Were you living under a rock at the time? People entered US Capitol and rioted, making a mess of the place. I know because I saw photos at the time. Also, I don't know how you connect 6 January with Trump's assassination attempt. Both events aren't related, except that Trump attracts violence in both directions (6 January and against himself). If you like Trump, a f*cking dictator who can't accept he lost elections and preferred to riot, then that speaks enough about your beliefs in democracy.
Oh thank you Mr Bulgaria for asking me where I was on Jan 6. I'm sure you are fully informed of the latest updates to that story which show NOWHERE near the level of violence you pretend happened. Also he was president for 4 years, can you seriously say he was a dictator? Like he literally was the president and isn't now, but he's a dictator because... you feel like he was? So fucking unserious man
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On July 15 2024 05:03 TentativePanda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2024 04:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 15 2024 04:41 TentativePanda wrote:On July 15 2024 04:24 oBlade wrote:On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 14 2024 11:26 c0ldfusion wrote:
You people are literal ghouls. This past January, Trump told the grieving families of an Iowa school shooting to "get over it" and just "move forward". Trump told them (addressing the entire community & state) in a very somber voice "it's horrible to see that happening... we have to get over it, we have to move forward." This is why you left the "just" out of your quotation marks, because even you knew that would be over the line of dishonest. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-tells-supporters-get-iowa-school-shooting-move-forward-rcna132610On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
A bullet grazed Trump's ear? Get over it. Move forward. He did that when he asked for his shoes, stood up and said, "Fight, fight." On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Not to mention the tens of thousands of annual gun-related deaths and hundreds of annual mass shootings that Republicans don't even remotely care about, despite every single one of those gun victims being far less toxic and destructive to America than Trump. I don't mean to put words in their mouths, but Republicans do care about crime, law and order is one of their key issues, this is a basic thing to know about your opposition, and many of those victims you mention are literal gang members shooting at each other. On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Trump has way more blood on his hands than what came from his ear. Name two. On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I'd much rather beat Trump in an election than have him assassinated, but he's absolutely the last person to deserve any sympathy. Deserve or not, he doesn't need your sympathy and didn't ask for it, so it's a moot issue. The issue is that disregarding any semblance of principles and morality doesn't give you a moral high ground. If you have to abandon them and resort to assassination apologism to try to stop the alleged "Worst American," (your words), you may have been wrong about your righteousness to begin with - perhaps people voting for someone you don't like isn't really "undermining democracy." Democracy isn't on the line. You're just losing. Don't think you can replace ballots with bullets. On July 14 2024 20:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 14 2024 08:59 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On July 14 2024 07:50 farvacola wrote:
My gut tells me it was staged, but we shall see. Something isn’t adding up More likely just another deranged leftist who saw Trump up +6 vs Biden in latest NYT/Siena poll That's weirdly cherry-picked. Some polls still have Biden (or other Dem alternatives) barely ahead or tied with Trump in a head-to-head race. Of course, other polls also put Trump ahead, especially when factoring in third-party candidates. https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls/president/general-election One could have just as easily asserted that it's "more likely just another deranged" conservative who thought Trump would benefit from the sympathy of a failed assassination attempt, since Trump's poll numbers didn't skyrocket from Biden's poor debate performance. It's silly to speculate in these ways, whether it's about the whole thing being staged, or the whole thing being a reaction to a few inconspicuous polls in either direction. What "another?" Do you have any single example of a Republican supporter false flag fake assassinating one of their own people and ending up as cherry pie on a roof tile in order to help their poll numbers?You could assert pigs fly just as easily as anything, the ease with which you can assert something is not related to how relatively likely it is to be true. Here's my speculation. The sitting resident of the White House days ago said "We're done talking about the debate, it's time to put Trump in a bullseye." Two days ago he said, "I mean this from the bottom of my heart, Trump is a threat to this nation." Weeks before that he tweeted: https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1806745000971296833The Huffington Post days ago ran with "Supreme Court Gives Joe Biden The Legal OK To Assassinate Donald Trump" as a headline. CNN posted Trump "fell" and the NYT front page says Trump was hurt at a "shooting." I personally saw this + Show Spoiler +on Wikipedia during the peak of confusion somehow injected over the page about the assassination attempt. Lee Zeldin was attacked. Two Republican councilmembers from New Jersey were killed. Maxine Waters said she would take Trump out. The sitting resident said he would take him behind the gym and beat him up. Colorado Rep Woodrow tells us "We don't need sympathy for the devil" after Trump is shot. The assistant to Congressman Thompson who proposed the Secret Service removal bill said if you're going to attempt assassination, please learn to aim. Rep Goldman went on TV and said Trump has to be "eliminated." Madonna thought a lot about blowing up the WH, or so she said in front of cameras in front of a huge crowd. Kathy Griffin - too tasteless to repeat. Rand Paul got assaulted and we heard "Today we are all Rand Paul's neighbor." Pelosi said he was right to attack him. This is 90% one side and it's a reaction to an imagined caricature of Hitler Republicans that coming on 2 generations have been brainwashed into. The same people pushing this shit now wait until the shooter missed and they overplayed their hand to be like "Oh actually let's be civil." Politicians, at least. The media are still all in on Orange Hitler. The Atlantic is recommending Trump use this chance to remind people not to be violent. Perhaps he will set an example by promising not to get shot again? There's your "deranged leftists" that you could speculate this is another of. There's your "stochastic terrorism." That is made-up nebulous bullshit so Blue people are justified in saying and doing whatever they want against it. Decent people everywhere should be and are ashamed to be associated with this lunacy, and we are happy to welcome you back at any time. The SS better be on 500% alert because if one 20 year old idiot can get this close, who knows what could happen. I applaud you for taking the time to write this masterclass rebuttal to these craven manchildren who absolutely will not ever be critical of the thoughts being fed to them. It's honestly scary how many people, right or left, feel that this election is life or death for them or others. We are talking about two people who have been president and basically nothing materially changed in anyone's lives across their presidencies (at least because of their presidency). He simply is NOT a threat to democracy no matter how badly people WANT him to be in order to say "I told you so", which is so damn insidious The repeal of Roe v. Wade has absolutely materially changed people's lives. Also, it's insane to suggest that Trump isn't a threat to democracy just because his attempt at overthrowing democracy failed. I'll try to respond to oBlade's post when I have significantly more time. We can get into nitty gritty policy details, but the big picture is this. Trump was president for 4 years. Did democracy end? Were we a fascist country? Stop playing pretend in your weird little fantasy world based on movies you saw and fearmongering posts by cringe media elites. THEN we can discuss who we'd vote for based on policy - and guess what, you're talking to someone who DOESN'T support the majority of Trump's positions.
You clearly didn't read my post, as your new questions were preemptively answered by my statement "Also, it's insane to suggest that Trump isn't a threat to democracy just because his attempt at overthrowing democracy failed."
Also, I don't know what you think you know about me, but my positions aren't based on movies or cringe media elites lol.
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On July 15 2024 05:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2024 05:03 TentativePanda wrote:On July 15 2024 04:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 15 2024 04:41 TentativePanda wrote:On July 15 2024 04:24 oBlade wrote:On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 14 2024 11:26 c0ldfusion wrote:
You people are literal ghouls. This past January, Trump told the grieving families of an Iowa school shooting to "get over it" and just "move forward". Trump told them (addressing the entire community & state) in a very somber voice "it's horrible to see that happening... we have to get over it, we have to move forward." This is why you left the "just" out of your quotation marks, because even you knew that would be over the line of dishonest. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-tells-supporters-get-iowa-school-shooting-move-forward-rcna132610On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
A bullet grazed Trump's ear? Get over it. Move forward. He did that when he asked for his shoes, stood up and said, "Fight, fight." On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Not to mention the tens of thousands of annual gun-related deaths and hundreds of annual mass shootings that Republicans don't even remotely care about, despite every single one of those gun victims being far less toxic and destructive to America than Trump. I don't mean to put words in their mouths, but Republicans do care about crime, law and order is one of their key issues, this is a basic thing to know about your opposition, and many of those victims you mention are literal gang members shooting at each other. On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Trump has way more blood on his hands than what came from his ear. Name two. On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I'd much rather beat Trump in an election than have him assassinated, but he's absolutely the last person to deserve any sympathy. Deserve or not, he doesn't need your sympathy and didn't ask for it, so it's a moot issue. The issue is that disregarding any semblance of principles and morality doesn't give you a moral high ground. If you have to abandon them and resort to assassination apologism to try to stop the alleged "Worst American," (your words), you may have been wrong about your righteousness to begin with - perhaps people voting for someone you don't like isn't really "undermining democracy." Democracy isn't on the line. You're just losing. Don't think you can replace ballots with bullets. On July 14 2024 20:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 14 2024 08:59 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On July 14 2024 07:50 farvacola wrote:
My gut tells me it was staged, but we shall see. Something isn’t adding up More likely just another deranged leftist who saw Trump up +6 vs Biden in latest NYT/Siena poll That's weirdly cherry-picked. Some polls still have Biden (or other Dem alternatives) barely ahead or tied with Trump in a head-to-head race. Of course, other polls also put Trump ahead, especially when factoring in third-party candidates. https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls/president/general-election One could have just as easily asserted that it's "more likely just another deranged" conservative who thought Trump would benefit from the sympathy of a failed assassination attempt, since Trump's poll numbers didn't skyrocket from Biden's poor debate performance. It's silly to speculate in these ways, whether it's about the whole thing being staged, or the whole thing being a reaction to a few inconspicuous polls in either direction. What "another?" Do you have any single example of a Republican supporter false flag fake assassinating one of their own people and ending up as cherry pie on a roof tile in order to help their poll numbers?You could assert pigs fly just as easily as anything, the ease with which you can assert something is not related to how relatively likely it is to be true. Here's my speculation. The sitting resident of the White House days ago said "We're done talking about the debate, it's time to put Trump in a bullseye." Two days ago he said, "I mean this from the bottom of my heart, Trump is a threat to this nation." Weeks before that he tweeted: https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1806745000971296833The Huffington Post days ago ran with "Supreme Court Gives Joe Biden The Legal OK To Assassinate Donald Trump" as a headline. CNN posted Trump "fell" and the NYT front page says Trump was hurt at a "shooting." I personally saw this + Show Spoiler +on Wikipedia during the peak of confusion somehow injected over the page about the assassination attempt. Lee Zeldin was attacked. Two Republican councilmembers from New Jersey were killed. Maxine Waters said she would take Trump out. The sitting resident said he would take him behind the gym and beat him up. Colorado Rep Woodrow tells us "We don't need sympathy for the devil" after Trump is shot. The assistant to Congressman Thompson who proposed the Secret Service removal bill said if you're going to attempt assassination, please learn to aim. Rep Goldman went on TV and said Trump has to be "eliminated." Madonna thought a lot about blowing up the WH, or so she said in front of cameras in front of a huge crowd. Kathy Griffin - too tasteless to repeat. Rand Paul got assaulted and we heard "Today we are all Rand Paul's neighbor." Pelosi said he was right to attack him. This is 90% one side and it's a reaction to an imagined caricature of Hitler Republicans that coming on 2 generations have been brainwashed into. The same people pushing this shit now wait until the shooter missed and they overplayed their hand to be like "Oh actually let's be civil." Politicians, at least. The media are still all in on Orange Hitler. The Atlantic is recommending Trump use this chance to remind people not to be violent. Perhaps he will set an example by promising not to get shot again? There's your "deranged leftists" that you could speculate this is another of. There's your "stochastic terrorism." That is made-up nebulous bullshit so Blue people are justified in saying and doing whatever they want against it. Decent people everywhere should be and are ashamed to be associated with this lunacy, and we are happy to welcome you back at any time. The SS better be on 500% alert because if one 20 year old idiot can get this close, who knows what could happen. I applaud you for taking the time to write this masterclass rebuttal to these craven manchildren who absolutely will not ever be critical of the thoughts being fed to them. It's honestly scary how many people, right or left, feel that this election is life or death for them or others. We are talking about two people who have been president and basically nothing materially changed in anyone's lives across their presidencies (at least because of their presidency). He simply is NOT a threat to democracy no matter how badly people WANT him to be in order to say "I told you so", which is so damn insidious The repeal of Roe v. Wade has absolutely materially changed people's lives. Also, it's insane to suggest that Trump isn't a threat to democracy just because his attempt at overthrowing democracy failed. I'll try to respond to oBlade's post when I have significantly more time. We can get into nitty gritty policy details, but the big picture is this. Trump was president for 4 years. Did democracy end? Were we a fascist country? Stop playing pretend in your weird little fantasy world based on movies you saw and fearmongering posts by cringe media elites. THEN we can discuss who we'd vote for based on policy - and guess what, you're talking to someone who DOESN'T support the majority of Trump's positions. You clearly didn't read my post, as your new questions were preemptively answered by my statement "Also, it's insane to suggest that Trump isn't a threat to democracy just because his attempt at overthrowing democracy failed." Also, I don't know what you think you know about me, but my positions aren't based on movies or cringe media elites lol.
Something of the sort for sure.
Stop it with the insurrection bullshit, if it was one, there wouldn't be debate around whether it was or not. It's only debated to be one because the left really wanted it to be one
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On July 15 2024 05:06 TentativePanda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2024 04:59 SC-Shield wrote:On July 15 2024 04:53 TentativePanda wrote:On July 15 2024 04:47 SC-Shield wrote:If Trump isn't a threat to democracy, then what do you say about Capitol attack? I think that calling it an insurrection, or even an attack really, is wildly disproportionate attempt to create hysteria. Which works REALLY well on fools with no capacity to reason. Trump literally just survived an assassination attempt and yet you point to this faux coup as the most recent threat to democracy - craven, you're fucking craven my guy Were you living under a rock at the time? People entered US Capitol and rioted, making a mess of the place. I know because I saw photos at the time. Also, I don't know how you connect 6 January with Trump's assassination attempt. Both events aren't related, except that Trump attracts violence in both directions (6 January and against himself). If you like Trump, a f*cking dictator who can't accept he lost elections and preferred to riot, then that speaks enough about your beliefs in democracy. Oh thank you Mr Bulgaria for asking me where I was on Oct 7. I'm sure you are fully informed of the latest updates to that story which show NOWHERE near the level of violence you pretend happened. Also he was president for 4 years, can you seriously say he was a dictator? Like he literally was the president and isn't now, but he's a dictator because... you feel like he was? So fucking unserious man
Yep, this wasn't blood, it was ketchup, so it's "NOWHERE near the level of violence you pretend happened". Good one!
And those windows weren't broken, they just fell off piece by piece.
These photos are FAKE NEWS: https://abcnews.go.com/US/photos/pro-trump-protesters-storm-us-capitol-unprecedented-breach-75090348
Am I right, Mr I-don't-support-Trump-but-I-actually-do? 
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On July 15 2024 05:13 TentativePanda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2024 05:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 15 2024 05:03 TentativePanda wrote:On July 15 2024 04:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 15 2024 04:41 TentativePanda wrote:On July 15 2024 04:24 oBlade wrote:On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 14 2024 11:26 c0ldfusion wrote:
You people are literal ghouls. This past January, Trump told the grieving families of an Iowa school shooting to "get over it" and just "move forward". Trump told them (addressing the entire community & state) in a very somber voice "it's horrible to see that happening... we have to get over it, we have to move forward." This is why you left the "just" out of your quotation marks, because even you knew that would be over the line of dishonest. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-tells-supporters-get-iowa-school-shooting-move-forward-rcna132610On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
A bullet grazed Trump's ear? Get over it. Move forward. He did that when he asked for his shoes, stood up and said, "Fight, fight." On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Not to mention the tens of thousands of annual gun-related deaths and hundreds of annual mass shootings that Republicans don't even remotely care about, despite every single one of those gun victims being far less toxic and destructive to America than Trump. I don't mean to put words in their mouths, but Republicans do care about crime, law and order is one of their key issues, this is a basic thing to know about your opposition, and many of those victims you mention are literal gang members shooting at each other. On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Trump has way more blood on his hands than what came from his ear. Name two. On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I'd much rather beat Trump in an election than have him assassinated, but he's absolutely the last person to deserve any sympathy. Deserve or not, he doesn't need your sympathy and didn't ask for it, so it's a moot issue. The issue is that disregarding any semblance of principles and morality doesn't give you a moral high ground. If you have to abandon them and resort to assassination apologism to try to stop the alleged "Worst American," (your words), you may have been wrong about your righteousness to begin with - perhaps people voting for someone you don't like isn't really "undermining democracy." Democracy isn't on the line. You're just losing. Don't think you can replace ballots with bullets. On July 14 2024 20:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 14 2024 08:59 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On July 14 2024 07:50 farvacola wrote:
My gut tells me it was staged, but we shall see. Something isn’t adding up More likely just another deranged leftist who saw Trump up +6 vs Biden in latest NYT/Siena poll That's weirdly cherry-picked. Some polls still have Biden (or other Dem alternatives) barely ahead or tied with Trump in a head-to-head race. Of course, other polls also put Trump ahead, especially when factoring in third-party candidates. https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls/president/general-election One could have just as easily asserted that it's "more likely just another deranged" conservative who thought Trump would benefit from the sympathy of a failed assassination attempt, since Trump's poll numbers didn't skyrocket from Biden's poor debate performance. It's silly to speculate in these ways, whether it's about the whole thing being staged, or the whole thing being a reaction to a few inconspicuous polls in either direction. What "another?" Do you have any single example of a Republican supporter false flag fake assassinating one of their own people and ending up as cherry pie on a roof tile in order to help their poll numbers?You could assert pigs fly just as easily as anything, the ease with which you can assert something is not related to how relatively likely it is to be true. Here's my speculation. The sitting resident of the White House days ago said "We're done talking about the debate, it's time to put Trump in a bullseye." Two days ago he said, "I mean this from the bottom of my heart, Trump is a threat to this nation." Weeks before that he tweeted: https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1806745000971296833The Huffington Post days ago ran with "Supreme Court Gives Joe Biden The Legal OK To Assassinate Donald Trump" as a headline. CNN posted Trump "fell" and the NYT front page says Trump was hurt at a "shooting." I personally saw this + Show Spoiler +on Wikipedia during the peak of confusion somehow injected over the page about the assassination attempt. Lee Zeldin was attacked. Two Republican councilmembers from New Jersey were killed. Maxine Waters said she would take Trump out. The sitting resident said he would take him behind the gym and beat him up. Colorado Rep Woodrow tells us "We don't need sympathy for the devil" after Trump is shot. The assistant to Congressman Thompson who proposed the Secret Service removal bill said if you're going to attempt assassination, please learn to aim. Rep Goldman went on TV and said Trump has to be "eliminated." Madonna thought a lot about blowing up the WH, or so she said in front of cameras in front of a huge crowd. Kathy Griffin - too tasteless to repeat. Rand Paul got assaulted and we heard "Today we are all Rand Paul's neighbor." Pelosi said he was right to attack him. This is 90% one side and it's a reaction to an imagined caricature of Hitler Republicans that coming on 2 generations have been brainwashed into. The same people pushing this shit now wait until the shooter missed and they overplayed their hand to be like "Oh actually let's be civil." Politicians, at least. The media are still all in on Orange Hitler. The Atlantic is recommending Trump use this chance to remind people not to be violent. Perhaps he will set an example by promising not to get shot again? There's your "deranged leftists" that you could speculate this is another of. There's your "stochastic terrorism." That is made-up nebulous bullshit so Blue people are justified in saying and doing whatever they want against it. Decent people everywhere should be and are ashamed to be associated with this lunacy, and we are happy to welcome you back at any time. The SS better be on 500% alert because if one 20 year old idiot can get this close, who knows what could happen. I applaud you for taking the time to write this masterclass rebuttal to these craven manchildren who absolutely will not ever be critical of the thoughts being fed to them. It's honestly scary how many people, right or left, feel that this election is life or death for them or others. We are talking about two people who have been president and basically nothing materially changed in anyone's lives across their presidencies (at least because of their presidency). He simply is NOT a threat to democracy no matter how badly people WANT him to be in order to say "I told you so", which is so damn insidious The repeal of Roe v. Wade has absolutely materially changed people's lives. Also, it's insane to suggest that Trump isn't a threat to democracy just because his attempt at overthrowing democracy failed. I'll try to respond to oBlade's post when I have significantly more time. We can get into nitty gritty policy details, but the big picture is this. Trump was president for 4 years. Did democracy end? Were we a fascist country? Stop playing pretend in your weird little fantasy world based on movies you saw and fearmongering posts by cringe media elites. THEN we can discuss who we'd vote for based on policy - and guess what, you're talking to someone who DOESN'T support the majority of Trump's positions. You clearly didn't read my post, as your new questions were preemptively answered by my statement "Also, it's insane to suggest that Trump isn't a threat to democracy just because his attempt at overthrowing democracy failed." Also, I don't know what you think you know about me, but my positions aren't based on movies or cringe media elites lol. Something of the sort for sure. Stop it with the insurrection bullshit, if it was one, there wouldn't be debate around whether it was or not. It's only debated to be one because the left really wanted it to be one
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It's been a long time since I wanted to whole heatedly say fuck you in this thread.
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On July 15 2024 03:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
People have to understand that Biden's main campaign talking point of this being an election to determine if US democracy continues has been obliterated by this. Because if Trump is going to win and going to be a democracy destroying dictator, then stopping him by any means necessary is rational and arguably justified.
If you want to take assassination off the table then Democrats have to tell people "Trump sucks, but he's not actually a real threat to the US or democracy".
Trump is going to constantly bludgeon Democrats with this while they're reduced to talking about how people need to treat the election less like the existential crisis they've been insisting it was for the last 5 years or so.
Here's the first sign, Biden "pausing" all his ads and such:
EDIT: Meanwhile the GOP is going to be pushing stuff like this saying "Joe Biden sent the orders":
This is poppycock. Everyone knows that the straight lines can only be drawn to violence from Republican rhetoric. Democrats get a free pass. Please ensure you are properly applying the double standards correctly in future posts.
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On July 15 2024 05:13 TentativePanda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2024 05:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 15 2024 05:03 TentativePanda wrote:On July 15 2024 04:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 15 2024 04:41 TentativePanda wrote:On July 15 2024 04:24 oBlade wrote:On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 14 2024 11:26 c0ldfusion wrote:
You people are literal ghouls. This past January, Trump told the grieving families of an Iowa school shooting to "get over it" and just "move forward". Trump told them (addressing the entire community & state) in a very somber voice "it's horrible to see that happening... we have to get over it, we have to move forward." This is why you left the "just" out of your quotation marks, because even you knew that would be over the line of dishonest. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-tells-supporters-get-iowa-school-shooting-move-forward-rcna132610On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
A bullet grazed Trump's ear? Get over it. Move forward. He did that when he asked for his shoes, stood up and said, "Fight, fight." On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Not to mention the tens of thousands of annual gun-related deaths and hundreds of annual mass shootings that Republicans don't even remotely care about, despite every single one of those gun victims being far less toxic and destructive to America than Trump. I don't mean to put words in their mouths, but Republicans do care about crime, law and order is one of their key issues, this is a basic thing to know about your opposition, and many of those victims you mention are literal gang members shooting at each other. On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Trump has way more blood on his hands than what came from his ear. Name two. On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I'd much rather beat Trump in an election than have him assassinated, but he's absolutely the last person to deserve any sympathy. Deserve or not, he doesn't need your sympathy and didn't ask for it, so it's a moot issue. The issue is that disregarding any semblance of principles and morality doesn't give you a moral high ground. If you have to abandon them and resort to assassination apologism to try to stop the alleged "Worst American," (your words), you may have been wrong about your righteousness to begin with - perhaps people voting for someone you don't like isn't really "undermining democracy." Democracy isn't on the line. You're just losing. Don't think you can replace ballots with bullets. On July 14 2024 20:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 14 2024 08:59 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On July 14 2024 07:50 farvacola wrote:
My gut tells me it was staged, but we shall see. Something isn’t adding up More likely just another deranged leftist who saw Trump up +6 vs Biden in latest NYT/Siena poll That's weirdly cherry-picked. Some polls still have Biden (or other Dem alternatives) barely ahead or tied with Trump in a head-to-head race. Of course, other polls also put Trump ahead, especially when factoring in third-party candidates. https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls/president/general-election One could have just as easily asserted that it's "more likely just another deranged" conservative who thought Trump would benefit from the sympathy of a failed assassination attempt, since Trump's poll numbers didn't skyrocket from Biden's poor debate performance. It's silly to speculate in these ways, whether it's about the whole thing being staged, or the whole thing being a reaction to a few inconspicuous polls in either direction. What "another?" Do you have any single example of a Republican supporter false flag fake assassinating one of their own people and ending up as cherry pie on a roof tile in order to help their poll numbers?You could assert pigs fly just as easily as anything, the ease with which you can assert something is not related to how relatively likely it is to be true. Here's my speculation. The sitting resident of the White House days ago said "We're done talking about the debate, it's time to put Trump in a bullseye." Two days ago he said, "I mean this from the bottom of my heart, Trump is a threat to this nation." Weeks before that he tweeted: https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1806745000971296833The Huffington Post days ago ran with "Supreme Court Gives Joe Biden The Legal OK To Assassinate Donald Trump" as a headline. CNN posted Trump "fell" and the NYT front page says Trump was hurt at a "shooting." I personally saw this + Show Spoiler +on Wikipedia during the peak of confusion somehow injected over the page about the assassination attempt. Lee Zeldin was attacked. Two Republican councilmembers from New Jersey were killed. Maxine Waters said she would take Trump out. The sitting resident said he would take him behind the gym and beat him up. Colorado Rep Woodrow tells us "We don't need sympathy for the devil" after Trump is shot. The assistant to Congressman Thompson who proposed the Secret Service removal bill said if you're going to attempt assassination, please learn to aim. Rep Goldman went on TV and said Trump has to be "eliminated." Madonna thought a lot about blowing up the WH, or so she said in front of cameras in front of a huge crowd. Kathy Griffin - too tasteless to repeat. Rand Paul got assaulted and we heard "Today we are all Rand Paul's neighbor." Pelosi said he was right to attack him. This is 90% one side and it's a reaction to an imagined caricature of Hitler Republicans that coming on 2 generations have been brainwashed into. The same people pushing this shit now wait until the shooter missed and they overplayed their hand to be like "Oh actually let's be civil." Politicians, at least. The media are still all in on Orange Hitler. The Atlantic is recommending Trump use this chance to remind people not to be violent. Perhaps he will set an example by promising not to get shot again? There's your "deranged leftists" that you could speculate this is another of. There's your "stochastic terrorism." That is made-up nebulous bullshit so Blue people are justified in saying and doing whatever they want against it. Decent people everywhere should be and are ashamed to be associated with this lunacy, and we are happy to welcome you back at any time. The SS better be on 500% alert because if one 20 year old idiot can get this close, who knows what could happen. I applaud you for taking the time to write this masterclass rebuttal to these craven manchildren who absolutely will not ever be critical of the thoughts being fed to them. It's honestly scary how many people, right or left, feel that this election is life or death for them or others. We are talking about two people who have been president and basically nothing materially changed in anyone's lives across their presidencies (at least because of their presidency). He simply is NOT a threat to democracy no matter how badly people WANT him to be in order to say "I told you so", which is so damn insidious The repeal of Roe v. Wade has absolutely materially changed people's lives. Also, it's insane to suggest that Trump isn't a threat to democracy just because his attempt at overthrowing democracy failed. I'll try to respond to oBlade's post when I have significantly more time. We can get into nitty gritty policy details, but the big picture is this. Trump was president for 4 years. Did democracy end? Were we a fascist country? Stop playing pretend in your weird little fantasy world based on movies you saw and fearmongering posts by cringe media elites. THEN we can discuss who we'd vote for based on policy - and guess what, you're talking to someone who DOESN'T support the majority of Trump's positions. You clearly didn't read my post, as your new questions were preemptively answered by my statement "Also, it's insane to suggest that Trump isn't a threat to democracy just because his attempt at overthrowing democracy failed." Also, I don't know what you think you know about me, but my positions aren't based on movies or cringe media elites lol. Something of the sort for sure. Stop it with the insurrection bullshit, if it was one, there wouldn't be debate around whether it was or not. It's only debated to be one because the left really wanted it to be one
You're like a young earth creationist claiming that there's a legitimate debate that evolution is false, just because you disagree with all the experts and people who have actually been paying attention lol. I'm sorry, I just can't. If you want to shitpost, be my guest, but we're way past the fake controversy of Trump's violent, fascist insurrection. Have a great day
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On July 15 2024 05:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2024 05:13 TentativePanda wrote:On July 15 2024 05:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 15 2024 05:03 TentativePanda wrote:On July 15 2024 04:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 15 2024 04:41 TentativePanda wrote:On July 15 2024 04:24 oBlade wrote:On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 14 2024 11:26 c0ldfusion wrote:
You people are literal ghouls. This past January, Trump told the grieving families of an Iowa school shooting to "get over it" and just "move forward". Trump told them (addressing the entire community & state) in a very somber voice "it's horrible to see that happening... we have to get over it, we have to move forward." This is why you left the "just" out of your quotation marks, because even you knew that would be over the line of dishonest. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-tells-supporters-get-iowa-school-shooting-move-forward-rcna132610On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
A bullet grazed Trump's ear? Get over it. Move forward. He did that when he asked for his shoes, stood up and said, "Fight, fight." On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Not to mention the tens of thousands of annual gun-related deaths and hundreds of annual mass shootings that Republicans don't even remotely care about, despite every single one of those gun victims being far less toxic and destructive to America than Trump. I don't mean to put words in their mouths, but Republicans do care about crime, law and order is one of their key issues, this is a basic thing to know about your opposition, and many of those victims you mention are literal gang members shooting at each other. On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Trump has way more blood on his hands than what came from his ear. Name two. On July 14 2024 11:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I'd much rather beat Trump in an election than have him assassinated, but he's absolutely the last person to deserve any sympathy. Deserve or not, he doesn't need your sympathy and didn't ask for it, so it's a moot issue. The issue is that disregarding any semblance of principles and morality doesn't give you a moral high ground. If you have to abandon them and resort to assassination apologism to try to stop the alleged "Worst American," (your words), you may have been wrong about your righteousness to begin with - perhaps people voting for someone you don't like isn't really "undermining democracy." Democracy isn't on the line. You're just losing. Don't think you can replace ballots with bullets. On July 14 2024 20:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 14 2024 08:59 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On July 14 2024 07:50 farvacola wrote:
My gut tells me it was staged, but we shall see. Something isn’t adding up More likely just another deranged leftist who saw Trump up +6 vs Biden in latest NYT/Siena poll That's weirdly cherry-picked. Some polls still have Biden (or other Dem alternatives) barely ahead or tied with Trump in a head-to-head race. Of course, other polls also put Trump ahead, especially when factoring in third-party candidates. https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls/president/general-election One could have just as easily asserted that it's "more likely just another deranged" conservative who thought Trump would benefit from the sympathy of a failed assassination attempt, since Trump's poll numbers didn't skyrocket from Biden's poor debate performance. It's silly to speculate in these ways, whether it's about the whole thing being staged, or the whole thing being a reaction to a few inconspicuous polls in either direction. What "another?" Do you have any single example of a Republican supporter false flag fake assassinating one of their own people and ending up as cherry pie on a roof tile in order to help their poll numbers?You could assert pigs fly just as easily as anything, the ease with which you can assert something is not related to how relatively likely it is to be true. Here's my speculation. The sitting resident of the White House days ago said "We're done talking about the debate, it's time to put Trump in a bullseye." Two days ago he said, "I mean this from the bottom of my heart, Trump is a threat to this nation." Weeks before that he tweeted: https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1806745000971296833The Huffington Post days ago ran with "Supreme Court Gives Joe Biden The Legal OK To Assassinate Donald Trump" as a headline. CNN posted Trump "fell" and the NYT front page says Trump was hurt at a "shooting." I personally saw this + Show Spoiler +on Wikipedia during the peak of confusion somehow injected over the page about the assassination attempt. Lee Zeldin was attacked. Two Republican councilmembers from New Jersey were killed. Maxine Waters said she would take Trump out. The sitting resident said he would take him behind the gym and beat him up. Colorado Rep Woodrow tells us "We don't need sympathy for the devil" after Trump is shot. The assistant to Congressman Thompson who proposed the Secret Service removal bill said if you're going to attempt assassination, please learn to aim. Rep Goldman went on TV and said Trump has to be "eliminated." Madonna thought a lot about blowing up the WH, or so she said in front of cameras in front of a huge crowd. Kathy Griffin - too tasteless to repeat. Rand Paul got assaulted and we heard "Today we are all Rand Paul's neighbor." Pelosi said he was right to attack him. This is 90% one side and it's a reaction to an imagined caricature of Hitler Republicans that coming on 2 generations have been brainwashed into. The same people pushing this shit now wait until the shooter missed and they overplayed their hand to be like "Oh actually let's be civil." Politicians, at least. The media are still all in on Orange Hitler. The Atlantic is recommending Trump use this chance to remind people not to be violent. Perhaps he will set an example by promising not to get shot again? There's your "deranged leftists" that you could speculate this is another of. There's your "stochastic terrorism." That is made-up nebulous bullshit so Blue people are justified in saying and doing whatever they want against it. Decent people everywhere should be and are ashamed to be associated with this lunacy, and we are happy to welcome you back at any time. The SS better be on 500% alert because if one 20 year old idiot can get this close, who knows what could happen. I applaud you for taking the time to write this masterclass rebuttal to these craven manchildren who absolutely will not ever be critical of the thoughts being fed to them. It's honestly scary how many people, right or left, feel that this election is life or death for them or others. We are talking about two people who have been president and basically nothing materially changed in anyone's lives across their presidencies (at least because of their presidency). He simply is NOT a threat to democracy no matter how badly people WANT him to be in order to say "I told you so", which is so damn insidious The repeal of Roe v. Wade has absolutely materially changed people's lives. Also, it's insane to suggest that Trump isn't a threat to democracy just because his attempt at overthrowing democracy failed. I'll try to respond to oBlade's post when I have significantly more time. We can get into nitty gritty policy details, but the big picture is this. Trump was president for 4 years. Did democracy end? Were we a fascist country? Stop playing pretend in your weird little fantasy world based on movies you saw and fearmongering posts by cringe media elites. THEN we can discuss who we'd vote for based on policy - and guess what, you're talking to someone who DOESN'T support the majority of Trump's positions. You clearly didn't read my post, as your new questions were preemptively answered by my statement "Also, it's insane to suggest that Trump isn't a threat to democracy just because his attempt at overthrowing democracy failed." Also, I don't know what you think you know about me, but my positions aren't based on movies or cringe media elites lol. Something of the sort for sure. Stop it with the insurrection bullshit, if it was one, there wouldn't be debate around whether it was or not. It's only debated to be one because the left really wanted it to be one You're like a young earth creationist claiming that there's a legitimate debate that evolution is false, just because you disagree with all the experts and people who have actually been paying attention lol. I'm sorry, I just can't. If you want to shut post, be my guest, but we're way past the fake controversy of Trump's violent, fascist insurrection. Have a great day
My take below, no we aren't past it because you insist. Have a good one
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6txkBbkxReE
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On July 15 2024 05:18 Broetchenholer wrote:
It's been a long time since I wanted to whole heatedly say fuck you in this thread.
To any person in particular? To all of us?
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I'm kind of torn on this one because I think people who are against calling the capitol events an insurrection are technically or semantically right but also wrong in principle. Like, yeah the lefties tend to blow it out of proportion but it was still a serious, criminal event you can clearly blame Trump for. There is no point in arguing about how bad it was because no matter how you judge it, you should keep people responsible for that event as far away from politics as possible.
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More generally, when you keep disregarding near misses as "not that big a deal", the pinnacle event happens sooner or later.
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On July 15 2024 05:44 micronesia wrote:
More generally, when you keep disregarding near misses as "not that big a deal", the pinnacle event happens sooner or later.
Prove it was a near miss. Proving the counterfactual is not possible. It was a riot that got out of hand - serious, yes, an insurrection, no.
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I personally think the attempt to steal the election is much worse than the weak response to the Jan. 6 riots. Do you defend Trump in that case too, TentativePanda?
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On July 15 2024 05:50 TentativePanda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2024 05:44 micronesia wrote:
More generally, when you keep disregarding near misses as "not that big a deal", the pinnacle event happens sooner or later. Prove it was a near miss. Proving the counterfactual is not possible. It was a riot that got out of hand - serious, yes, an insurrection, no.
The rioters were seconds from storming the chamber with most members of congress. Fortunately, the door was sealed at the last second. It was a near miss of rioters storming a chamber filled with members of congress after declaring deadly (or at least violent) intent. That is definitely a near miss. I don't plan to argue with you of all the possible things it could be a near miss for. My point was not that everyone else is right about this one particular issue and that you are wrong. My point was that I'm seeing a great deal of shrugging off bad things as not having been that bad when they are exactly the types of things that, it wouldn't take much more for them to actually become really bad. Again, not just talking about January 6th. I did say "more generally" to bring in a principle that I hadn't seen mentioned recently. It's just a fact of life, and something we see far outside of just politics.
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