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KT_Elwood
Germany1200 Posts
Any shooting with more than 3 people dead or injured not including the shooter is a mass shooting to me. Guy shot 1 person, injured 2 + Trump. https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours?page=2 That page no longer includes accidents or suicides, yet there have been another 2 Pages of incidents since yesterday. USA USA USA ! | ||
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Introvert
United States5029 Posts
On July 14 2024 18:09 WombaT wrote: Indeed. Incompetence before malice and all that, but I imagine this will be jumped upon from the usual suspects before long. Pretty much this. There were numerous opportune moments to hop off that train, now it appears to be travelling too fast to safely disembark. It’s either extreme ignorance, or extreme arrogance to think one can piss over various norms and ramp up the rhetoric without it having those negative impacts. In politics, as in many domains, actions have their associated reactions. Jan 6th was a pretty obvious time to if not dethrone Trump, which appears unviable, then to at least rein in his worst impulses and his party completely bottled it. No there are those, including in this thread, who say we are in danger of fascism and that Trump can be compared to Hitler in 1932. This was recently the cover The New Republic + Show Spoiler + I know eveyone has been taken in by Dem rhetoric but im just asking people to look at what they do. None of their political decisions have indicated they actually believe we are on the brink, to the contrary they have treated Trump like their golden goose to winning elections. Trump's behavior last time around was bad (though I dont think he incited the riot, just was too weak to stop it) but that scenario can't even happen again. He won't have the office to use should he lose again, ans he would be term limited. But I know those things are hard for some people to accept, so again I just want people to ask themselves "If Dems say Trump is a threat to democracy, why don't they act like it?" | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1967 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24376 Posts
On July 14 2024 18:32 Gorsameth wrote: Question, how many people think that today may well of decided the outcome of the election? "Trump survives assassination attempt" is going to be a hell of a storyline for his campaign to run for the next 4 months. If Trump just didn't talk about it for the rest of the campaign it might be worth .5-1% (which could easily be enough). But Trump is going to reference it every time he speaks from now until November (and probably after). The shooter will be any/everybody Trump wants them to be to make rhetorical points and paint himself as the ultimate fighter against everything that annoys/enrages them about societal progress. Such as marginalized oppressed communities getting rights and using them to challenge the status quo. As you can see from some of the Republican posters already, Trump will turn Biden's argument around and make Biden and "the left" the "real threat" to "democracy". It won't work on Democrats, especially the sycophants, but it will resonate with swing voters that have issues with some aspect of "wokeism" or whatever they want to call it. Things like "Biden/The woke left wants to kill Trump and people like us so men can change in girls locker rooms and then beat them for the women's championships." and/or "Biden/The woke left is trying to kill us and Trump to replace us with illegal immigrants." and we all can foresee plenty more. Biden was already an underdog before the attempted assassination, and it's only going to boost Trump/embolden his rhetoric, so I'd say it's still Trump's race to lose at this point. | ||
micronesia
United States24803 Posts
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Timebon3s
Norway772 Posts
How can you not vote for this guy? This only semented his lead after the disastorous debate vs Biden. He won the election today. 4 more years of DT! MAGA! | ||
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Introvert
United States5029 Posts
On July 15 2024 01:17 micronesia wrote: I'm hearing from others (who actually get tv unlike me) that the doctor who treated trump said it was glass, rather than the bullet, which struck Trump's ear. Probably, the shooter was using an Ar-15 or similar, tried to shoot through the teleprompter, and the bullet got diverted away. Had he been using a rifle designed for the task, the bullet would have continued mostly unhindered and struck the target. Had he aimed around the teleprompter, he might have struck the target in a different part of the body. It's kind of ironic that most gun owners being ignorant about the tools they are using is what saved Trump here. Saw that too but, at least in one of the photos here https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/gallery/2024/jul/13/trump-pennsylvania-rally-shooting-in-pictures There appears to he something faster than glass going by his head, and from what I saw, both teleprompters are intact when they dive for the ground. Also, ans I don't know if this right, but apparently Trump's description of what he felt was consistent with a bullet going right by you (you feel it before you hear it). | ||
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KwarK
United States44361 Posts
On July 15 2024 01:23 Timebon3s wrote: Hahaha Trump is such a badass. How can you not vote for this guy? This only semented his lead after the disastorous debate vs Biden. He won the election today. 4 more years of DT! MAGA! His policies would be one reason not to vote for him. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 15 2024 01:24 KwarK wrote: His policies would be one reason not to vote for him. Since Trump vs H.Clinton i have always wondered why and how the f its possible this is the BEST USA has to offer for their presidency. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24376 Posts
On July 15 2024 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Since Trump vs H.Clinton i have always wondered why and how the f its possible this is the BEST USA has to offer for their presidency. The pool of viable candidates is determined by oligarchs and the people choose from that pool. There are millions of people that could do a better job (as far as the masses are concerned), but they'd never have the support of the oligarchs, so they can never be considered "viable" under the US system. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
And they both say 'I, and everybody else, needs to calm down for real.' They won't but it'd be very nice if they did. On July 15 2024 01:24 KwarK wrote: His policies would be one reason not to vote for him. Or they're one reason to vote for him. When many tens of millions of people believe in something, however foolish you or I think it is, it's even more foolish to be contemptuous. That doesn't work in the end. Never has, never will. | ||
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micronesia
United States24803 Posts
On July 15 2024 02:16 DeepElemBlues wrote: Or they're one reason to vote for him. When many tens of millions of people believe in something, however foolish you or I think it is, it's even more foolish to be contemptuous. That doesn't work in the end. Never has, never will. The question was "How can you not vote for this guy?" A good answer is "I disagree with his policies." I don't see anything wrong with that type of response. Your response doesn't really seem relevant. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 15 2024 02:16 DeepElemBlues wrote: I really hope that Trump and Biden both make real speeches about this ASAP instead of short statements. And they both say 'I, and everybody else, needs to calm down for real.' They won't but it'd be very nice if they did. Or they're one reason to vote for him. When many tens of millions of people believe in something, however foolish you or I think it is, it's even more foolish to be contemptuous. That doesn't work in the end. Never has, never will. Which policies you think are worth voting for Trump? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46498 Posts
On July 15 2024 01:17 micronesia wrote: I'm hearing from others (who actually get tv unlike me) that the doctor who treated trump said it was glass, rather than the bullet, which struck Trump's ear. Probably, the shooter was using an Ar-15 or similar, tried to shoot through the teleprompter, and the bullet got diverted away. Had he been using a rifle designed for the task, the bullet would have continued mostly unhindered and struck the target. Had he aimed around the teleprompter, he might have struck the target in a different part of the body. It's kind of ironic that most gun owners being ignorant about the tools they are using is what saved Trump here. It wouldn't surprise anyone if the guy who lies about everything is even lying about what grazed/cut his ear. I guess we'll find out for sure within a day or so, though. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46498 Posts
On July 15 2024 03:18 Sent. wrote: I expect a temporary bump in Trump's support that should die out before the election but there's a big BUT. This bump, similarly to Biden's poor debate performance, is an opportunity to gain momentum and control what people talk about. There's still a lot of time left and I think Biden should win unless Trump manages to successfully leapfrog from one opportunity to another which should lead to a snowball effect. Would you mind elaborating a bit on why you think Biden is likely to win? | ||
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Agh
United States1107 Posts
On July 14 2024 17:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: This isn't worded accurately. It's bad that democracy really is on the line. Trump has been jeopardizing American democracy for years, with his rhetoric and actions, and his supporters are okay with undermining democracy too (which many of them may not realize they're doing, because they may sincerely believe the lies that Trump and other Republican leaders peddle about widespread voter fraud and a stolen 2020 election). Democrats aren't "convincing themselves" that Trump is a fascist; Democrats are accurately recognizing that Trump is a fascist. Probably the only time I'll ever post in a politics thread but you have to be an absolute fucking moron to think that their is OR was not fraud for both sides for the election. The only reason democrats get extra flak was because they had a lot more egregious cases. A personal favorite/highlight were the Georgia county ones where peoples votes were altered despite being public record and viewable. Then when they posted about it on facebook, twitter, etc it just resulted in your account getting removed/flagged/silenced. But hey censorship is good as long as it fits your desired narrative right? Any type of infringement or impediment of free speech needs to be smited off of the universe. Anyone that finds they strongly align with either side is just a sheep on top of being a clown. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24376 Posts
If you want to take assassination off the table then Democrats have to tell people "Trump sucks, but he's not actually a real threat to the US or democracy". Trump is going to constantly bludgeon Democrats with this while they're reduced to talking about how people need to treat the election less like the existential crisis they've been insisting it was for the last 5 years or so. Here's the first sign, Biden "pausing" all his ads and such: EDIT: Meanwhile the GOP is going to be pushing stuff like this saying "Joe Biden sent the orders": | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On July 15 2024 03:35 GreenHorizons wrote: People have to understand that Biden's main campaign talking point of this being an election to determine if US democracy continues has been obliterated by this. Because if Trump is going to win and going to be a democracy destroying dictator, then stopping him by any means necessary is rational and arguably justified. If you want to take assassination off the table then Democrats have to tell people "Trump sucks, but he's not actually a real threat to the US or democracy". Trump is going to constantly bludgeon Democrats with this while they're reduced to talking about how people need to treat the election less like the existential crisis they've been insisting it was for the last 5 years or so. Here's the first sign, Biden "pausing" all his ads and such: https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1812276659011109373 EDIT: Meanwhile the GOP is going to be pushing stuff like this saying "Joe Biden sent the orders": https://twitter.com/MikeCollinsGA/status/1812257581655531669 Painfully reductive. | ||
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