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On March 04 2024 23:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2024 21:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2024 21:09 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think Cake is town?
I think ytour points 1 and 2 dont make her mafia, which i was kind of arguing. I think your point 3 is alid and it actually can make her mafia. Well you said my scum read on her was unreasonable so that kind of implied you thought she was town right? No that doesn't mean that. It was more about my read on you rather than Cake's alignment. What did it mean about that? Im gonna answer this and then continue in the same post with other things. If your read looks unreasonable to me, it might indicate you're mafia. Cake's alignment doesnt matter here at all since its not out of question you would make a shitty scumread even on your partner, just to back off from it later on. Its just that if you make a shitty read, that implicates you being mafia, regardless of the other person's alignment. I take back my town read on Trfel, i thought i saw something there when i was reading the thread at work but re-reading now that something didn't actually exist. Trfel could very well be mafia. I am still considering Slam mafia, and it's not a meta read. Sure at first it started as a meta read when he looked more serious and laid back than usual. That can be explained with his rl-situation. However, there should be simply no way he is considering me as his best vote for mayor at the moment. 1) I have openly stated he is my only scumread in the game at that point 2) DP makes points about Cake, Slam calls all of them good points. I disagree with 2/3 of those points, Slam STILL goes like "oh rayn makes very good point" -- both of those things can't be in his head, either DP's points are good or they are not in his opinion, yet he's saying they both are and they aren't. Furhtermore i don't in any case understand why he is making a list of who he is preferring as mayor in which order. He said before game he would want Hapa for mayor, why doesn't he even wait for Hapa to post while starting to campign "rayn for mayor" when it doesn't even make any sense for him to do so if he is town? For the uninitiated, why can’t Slam do this as town?
I don't think he can't per se. I just think he wouldn't. Like let's be honest Slam is voting either Hapa, marv or rayn for mayor (unless he has to pick someone else), mostly Hapa.
I can't possibly understand why he makes posts like:
"Liked trfel and now considering voting trfel for mayor"
or
"Second pick is VE, he has some decent logic on why he would lurker lynch."
Is he ever going to actually vote for either of those people for mayor? Especially VE for THAT reasoning? I just don't see the point of putting it like that. It's kind of a townread but still not really.
And i can't possibly understand why he wants me for mayor, why would you EVER want anyone for mayor who wants to lynch you??? Just because i agreed with 2 of his reads like 3 hours into the game?
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On March 04 2024 23:26 Vivax wrote:
Moving Oats to town. I thought he spammed too much at the time and his question to the host felt like something he could have done in PM land but the fact he felt the same way about JS looking scummish early probably means we think more alike than not.
So I‘m at:
Town: DP, Rayn, Oats, TTS
Good nulls : Marv
Null/need to read more: MZ, cop, Slam
Bad nulls: VE, Sandroba
Mafia: Trfel
Forgot to include iamp to town.
Considering adding DMB to the town pile. Let‘s make it so.
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On March 04 2024 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:20 marvellosity wrote:On March 04 2024 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2024 21:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2024 21:09 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think Cake is town?
I think ytour points 1 and 2 dont make her mafia, which i was kind of arguing. I think your point 3 is alid and it actually can make her mafia. Well you said my scum read on her was unreasonable so that kind of implied you thought she was town right? No that doesn't mean that. It was more about my read on you rather than Cake's alignment. What did it mean about that? Im gonna answer this and then continue in the same post with other things. If your read looks unreasonable to me, it might indicate you're mafia. Cake's alignment doesnt matter here at all since its not out of question you would make a shitty scumread even on your partner, just to back off from it later on. Its just that if you make a shitty read, that implicates you being mafia, regardless of the other person's alignment. I take back my town read on Trfel, i thought i saw something there when i was reading the thread at work but re-reading now that something didn't actually exist. Trfel could very well be mafia. I am still considering Slam mafia, and it's not a meta read. Sure at first it started as a meta read when he looked more serious and laid back than usual. That can be explained with his rl-situation. However, there should be simply no way he is considering me as his best vote for mayor at the moment. 1) I have openly stated he is my only scumread in the game at that point 2) DP makes points about Cake, Slam calls all of them good points. I disagree with 2/3 of those points, Slam STILL goes like "oh rayn makes very good point" -- both of those things can't be in his head, either DP's points are good or they are not in his opinion, yet he's saying they both are and they aren't. Furhtermore i don't in any case understand why he is making a list of who he is preferring as mayor in which order. He said before game he would want Hapa for mayor, why doesn't he even wait for Hapa to post while starting to campign "rayn for mayor" when it doesn't even make any sense for him to do so if he is town? For the uninitiated, why can’t Slam do this as town? I don't think he can't per se. I just think he wouldn't. Like let's be honest Slam is voting either Hapa, marv or rayn for mayor (unless he has to pick someone else), mostly Hapa. I can't possibly understand why he makes posts like: "Liked trfel and now considering voting trfel for mayor" or "Second pick is VE, he has some decent logic on why he would lurker lynch." Is he ever going to actually vote for either of those people for mayor? Especially VE for THAT reasoning? I just don't see the point of putting it like that. It's kind of a townread but still not really. And i can't possibly understand why he wants me for mayor, why would you EVER want anyone for mayor who wants to lynch you??? Just because i agreed with 2 of his reads like 3 hours into the game?
Okay this tracks much better for me
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Well Vivax' reads list is mostly fine for me so maybe i am just dumb for thinking about the paranoia shit.
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On March 04 2024 23:29 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:17 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 22:10 sandroba wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. Only read the thread up to this point so far. I think the once great town hero Trfel has betrayed us and is working with the enemy. The fact that he is choosing to comment so much on this technical aspect and not on people's alignment indicative behavior is what makes me believe this is the case. And why does it sound like you‘re scumreading him here and afterwards he lands in your top towns ? It sounds like that because that's exactly what happened.
Too bad he‘s scummed it up more than once and you should know better than that.
His Oats townread is explained in a very scummy manner and selective too, so its agenda driven.
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On March 04 2024 23:07 Vivax wrote:
##Vote: Trfel
##Mayor: Vivax
Sandroba why do you believe that Trfel is town ?
nope no Austrians to power please
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On March 04 2024 23:33 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:07 Vivax wrote:
##Vote: Trfel
##Mayor: Vivax
Sandroba why do you believe that Trfel is town ? nope no Austrians to power please
I agree you shouldn‘t be mayor.
Luckily I am Italian.
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I just presented evidence to the contrary of what Sandro believes and he just sits there and takes it.
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I think it's fair for TTT to scum read tfrel at that point in the thread. At the same time the lack of engagement in other matters, or revising the read after more pages is a bit sus
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On March 04 2024 23:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:33 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 04 2024 23:07 Vivax wrote:
##Vote: Trfel
##Mayor: Vivax
Sandroba why do you believe that Trfel is town ? nope no Austrians to power please I agree you shouldn‘t be mayor. Luckily I am Italian.
Then defently no
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On March 04 2024 23:35 Vivax wrote:
I just presented evidence to the contrary of what Sandro believes and he just sits there and takes it.
If you consider time to be at a standstill that would make it a paradox. I won't fight you for correctly pointing out I changed my mind.
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On March 04 2024 23:39 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:35 Vivax wrote:
I just presented evidence to the contrary of what Sandro believes and he just sits there and takes it. If you consider time to be at a standstill that would make it a paradox. I won't fight you for correctly pointing out I changed my mind.
I will fight you because it doesn‘t look like a well explained progression.
I am questioning the basis of your read.
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On March 04 2024 23:33 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:29 sandroba wrote:On March 04 2024 23:17 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 22:10 sandroba wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
[quote]
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. Only read the thread up to this point so far. I think the once great town hero Trfel has betrayed us and is working with the enemy. The fact that he is choosing to comment so much on this technical aspect and not on people's alignment indicative behavior is what makes me believe this is the case. And why does it sound like you‘re scumreading him here and afterwards he lands in your top towns ? It sounds like that because that's exactly what happened. Too bad he‘s scummed it up more than once and you should know better than that. His Oats townread is explained in a very scummy manner and selective too, so its agenda driven.
Can you elaborate more on what makes it scummy and selective? When I read it I felt like it pointed out the things that jumped out to me as well.
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On March 04 2024 23:37 sandroba wrote:
I think it's fair for TTT to scum read tfrel at that point in the thread. At the same time the lack of engagement in other matters, or revising the read after more pages is a bit sus
Where is TTT here or do you mean To the Stars?
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On March 04 2024 23:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:39 sandroba wrote:On March 04 2024 23:35 Vivax wrote:
I just presented evidence to the contrary of what Sandro believes and he just sits there and takes it. If you consider time to be at a standstill that would make it a paradox. I won't fight you for correctly pointing out I changed my mind. I will fight you because it doesn‘t look like a well explained progression. I am questioning the basis of your read.
That's true, I wouldn't say I explained it well.
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On March 04 2024 23:45 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:37 sandroba wrote:
I think it's fair for TTT to scum read tfrel at that point in the thread. At the same time the lack of engagement in other matters, or revising the read after more pages is a bit sus Where is TTT here or do you mean To the Stars?
I mean to the stars
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I don't understand the case Vivax, can you sum it up?
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I mean your sandroba suspicion.
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On March 04 2024 23:42 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:33 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 23:29 sandroba wrote:On March 04 2024 23:17 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 22:10 sandroba wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:
[quote]I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. Only read the thread up to this point so far. I think the once great town hero Trfel has betrayed us and is working with the enemy. The fact that he is choosing to comment so much on this technical aspect and not on people's alignment indicative behavior is what makes me believe this is the case. And why does it sound like you‘re scumreading him here and afterwards he lands in your top towns ? It sounds like that because that's exactly what happened. Too bad he‘s scummed it up more than once and you should know better than that. His Oats townread is explained in a very scummy manner and selective too, so its agenda driven. Can you elaborate more on what makes it scummy and selective? When I read it I felt like it pointed out the things that jumped out to me as well.
It came at a time when Oats perception in the thread wasn‘t established as townie and he had a perception contrary to mine and DP‘s.
Part of his reason for the townread was that Oats questioned DP not wanting to be mayor but it was also the first question I posed to him in the game so if that‘s his parameter then it‘s not such an unique angle as he said Oats was using to explain the townread.
In other words I think he townread Oats just for the purpose of looking right and profiling himself.
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On March 04 2024 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean your sandroba suspicion.
I think he‘s trying to counter the buildup of pressure on Trfel and I don‘t want him doing that.
I also think I have put on display enough examples of Trfel‘s posts looking sketchy and he just ignored them.
He just blanket calls them townie instead of delivering in the same manner.
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