On March 04 2024 14:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Slam is probably mafia.
Slam is probably mafia.
good post by rayn at this point in the thread
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sandroba
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On March 04 2024 14:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Slam is probably mafia. good post by rayn at this point in the thread | ||
marvellosity
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On March 04 2024 20:42 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On March 04 2024 20:37 marvellosity wrote: On March 04 2024 20:35 Vivax wrote: On March 04 2024 17:48 VisceraEyes wrote: DP I'm town first say it then vote for me for mayor. DP you think I lack paranoia about you because I townread you but VE talking to you like you‘re conftown here doesn‘t jump into your eye ? Why is a congruent read on Oats enough for you not to be paranoid, though? It‘s enough on D1 for me. If DP makes it far into the game I can still revisit my own opinion. There is no apparent reason for him to dislike it except that perhaps I‘m too easily correct on him for his taste. The paranoia is also a weakness at the same time and I don‘t want to cling onto those just to fit within expectations. Never stopped you before | ||
Koshi
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Only ignoring isn't fun. | ||
Vivax
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I‘m not sure but DP came off across as wanting to look scummier on purpose since he accused me of lack of paranoia. | ||
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marvellosity
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On March 04 2024 20:47 DarthPunk wrote: Show nested quote + On March 04 2024 19:44 marvellosity wrote: On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote: On March 04 2024 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cake do you think DP's reasoning for calling you mafia last game when you were actually mafia was good? If I remember correctly, he called me mafia for having TMI for calling you town in a secure way. Which I applaud. Here, I honestly do not understand or I am pretty stupid. Anyways, that doesnt change my read on him. He is a strong, secure player. He cares for other people’s opinions like when he was town in the game Slam was mafia. In the marvvivaxcake game, I was asking many questions, he engaged and answered. He demanded answers. Here, I ignored him and he did nothing until Oats came and started to talk about me. As someone who kinda “played” him, I would imagine he would try to figure me out asap. (Played as in I stayed alive and made him second guess TTT) Thing is, DP is bravado, he has said so before such as “he controls lynches” and stuff like that. Here, he is too quiet for the exception of calling me wolf. As I said before, if he was interested in me he would have called me out inmediatly for ignoring him and not just when Oats came. Idk it seems like lazy mafia using “I was right last time” Am I wrong for getting with this conclusion? This is a general question for everyone, not just Rayn. I reckon I believe this post. I think my only request is - the thread will get horribly unreadable if you two are antagonising each other. So preferably engage with him calmly and then make a post such as this to outline your position. Why is this enough for you marv? I just believed it. Doesn’t make it a lock townread | ||
Vivax
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On March 04 2024 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can also accuse you of lack of paranoia. It's the only thing that bothers me in your play but it's actually quite a big thing. Let it bother you then, if you accuse me of lacking something that would undermine my own abilities then it isn‘t a me problem, it‘s a you problem. | ||
Grackaroni
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Mayor raynpelikoneet (1): JacobStrangelove Koshi (1): Koshi Not Voting (19): With 1 vote, raynpelikoneet is currently set to be elected! Lynch Alakaslam (2) Oatsmaster, CopCake CopCake (1): Koshi (1) : JacobStrangelove Not Voting(17): With 2 votes, Alakaslam is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 06 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in | ||
Vivax
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Vivax
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##Mayor: Vivax Sandroba why do you believe that Trfel is town ? | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On March 04 2024 21:24 CopCake wrote: Show nested quote + On March 04 2024 21:15 DarthPunk wrote: On March 04 2024 21:13 CopCake wrote: On March 04 2024 21:05 CopCake wrote: On March 04 2024 20:54 DarthPunk wrote: On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote: On March 04 2024 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cake do you think DP's reasoning for calling you mafia last game when you were actually mafia was good? If I remember correctly, he called me mafia for having TMI for calling you town in a secure way. Which I applaud. Here, I honestly do not understand or I am pretty stupid. It's the exact same reason. Cakes literal first post of the game is this: On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day? Which she later states is her 'town circle' she has not interacted in a single way with either of these players, and I know from her last mafia game that town reads too early is a mafia tell for cake. This absolutely qualifies, further if they are town, it is also a blatant pocketing attempt. On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote: Anyways, that doesnt change my read on him. He is a strong, secure player. He cares for other people’s opinions like when he was town in the game Slam was mafia. I don't see how that has changed at all in this game compare to the previous games. On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote: In the marvvivaxcake game, I was asking many questions, he engaged and answered. He demanded answers. Here, I ignored him and he did nothing until Oats came and started to talk about me. This is just wrong, in this game she was only posting roleplay about a tea party, I asked her a question, she left the thread, I asked slam about her alignment, she came back to the thread and I immediately asked her a follow up question. Here is the progression: On March 04 2024 14:14 DarthPunk wrote: Any thoughts on alignments cake? she makes these two troll posts On March 04 2024 14:14 CopCake wrote: On March 04 2024 14:08 Trfel wrote: On March 04 2024 14:01 CopCake wrote: Sure, I won't drink any tea but I can bring some water and see where it leads.On March 04 2024 13:58 Trfel wrote: On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Unfortunately I don't drink tea, why do you ask?Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day? @DarthPunk sorry I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying, I wasn't trying to misrepresent you. I'll let you do your thing instead of arguing over little nonsense. Out of character: it is just set up flavour, do not take it too literal, just enjoy the chat engagement. 🥂 Do not worry darling, all is ok as long is not poison. We do not want a purple wedding. On March 04 2024 14:20 CopCake wrote: On March 04 2024 14:18 die_meatbaby wrote: On March 04 2024 14:13 CopCake wrote: On March 04 2024 14:05 die_meatbaby wrote: On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day? It would be an honor for me. I bring some biscuits I am glad! It shall be a great time for sure my dear. Such a shame Lord Trfel decided to decline the invitation, there was a delicious cake and macaroons baked in his honor. @trfl How dare you! Who raised such an outrageous generation? Shhhh, is ok my darling, it seems there was a small missunderstanding. But you are right, this generation is quite something. I ask slam about her alignment when she is gone On March 04 2024 15:12 DarthPunk wrote: Slam have you played a lot with cake? Then she arrives back in the thread with this: On March 04 2024 15:12 CopCake wrote: On March 04 2024 14:58 Alakaslam wrote: On March 04 2024 14:01 CopCake wrote: On March 04 2024 13:58 Trfel wrote: On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Unfortunately I don't drink tea, why do you ask?Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day? @DarthPunk sorry I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying, I wasn't trying to misrepresent you. I'll let you do your thing instead of arguing over little nonsense. Out of character: it is just set up flavour, do not take it too literal, just enjoy the chat engagement. 🥂 How was T.h.i.s. important C A K E ? I have a bitterness not against cake indeed! I shall become foul. ???? What do you mean Mr Darcy? On March 04 2024 15:14 CopCake wrote: 🤭 This is so funny I immediately try to engage with her about the game, and she calls me out as mafia. then makes the below reads On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote: In the marvvivaxcake game, I was asking many questions, he engaged and answered. He demanded answers. Here, I ignored him and he did nothing until Oats came and started to talk about me. Which is untrue and also unfair, when she was interacting in the way that she did. On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote: As someone who kinda “played” him, I would imagine he would try to figure me out asap. (Played as in I stayed alive and made him second guess TTT) and this which is as inaccurate a statement as you can make, considering I was the person in the thread who most actively tried to determine your alignment On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote: Thing is, DP is bravado, he has said so before such as “he controls lynches” and stuff like that. Here, he is too quiet for the exception of calling me wolf. I literally have the most posts in the game at the point you called me mafia. On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote: The fact you entered the thread in the manner in which you did, which is so different to the last game we played together, and then try to apply a meta read to me in about 1-2 hours of playing the game is just wrong.As I said before, if he was interested in me he would have called me out inmediatly for ignoring him and not just when Oats came. Idk it seems like lazy mafia using “I was right last time” By the way, none of cakes post explains three good reasons why cake is mafia. 1.) why did she come into the game town reading two other players in her first post, so strongly that she called it a 'town circle' 2.) why has she actively and blatantly avoided taking stances and playing/progressing the game (i couldn't tell you a position she holds right now apart from me being mafia and her few town reads) 3.) she makes meta reads based on completely different and absurd circumstances, strong and confident ones at that. Tunnel me if you desire but I tend to do this. As town and as mafia. I tend to be like “Detective Glowing bear will your hold my hand and find mafia together?” And stuff like “Shockey, if you were a sea animal, what would you be?” For example, shockey said a killer whale which is a beast animal and he was mafia. I think mafia kinda out themselves when asked about random stuff, like if you ask for what they are listening to, they will more likely say something heavier than what they tend to listen usually. You should try this technique sometime. It is my own way of solving the game, there is a logic to it. I liked dumb a lot for calling you out, it felt natural. I also liked trfel and I have a mads respect for him after last game, therefore, invited into a “town circle”. I think the concept here is what you have trouble with. The fact they were invited doesnt mean I cant change my opinion of them which you are assuming. If Slam told you “yes I have played with cake a lot” does it have some value to you? What do you think of this DP? None of that addresses any of why you are mafia. 🤷🏽♀️ You are acting like a totally different person. You like to understand how people make reads on the obvs chat and I gave you big info of my playstyle because I dont plan to play anymore. Maybe once a year or so. He’s not though. | ||
sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On March 04 2024 22:13 JacobStrangelove wrote: That's a good point sandro, curious to know your thoughts on copcake vs DP and Ray's alighnment from your perspective. Honestly undecided on DP, leaning town on copcake. If I had to decide now I would say it's most likely TvT here. Rayn is amongst my top town with dmb and trfel, Coincidentally, you are one of my few scum hunches so far. | ||
Vivax
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On March 04 2024 12:54 Trfel wrote: [/i]Show nested quote + I thought it would be useful to get into his mindset a bit, I think the utility has run its course though.On March 04 2024 12:50 DarthPunk wrote: On March 04 2024 12:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote: On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote: On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote: On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: [quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. I think I fundamentally disagree with you on how the game works. I don't trust any one player on D1, much less do I trust their singular reads. Yes it's true that there might be someone who comes up with a perfect scumlist D1, but without any knowledge of flips, I have no way of knowing their list is better than mine. I obviously believe my reads first but on D1 they could be fucking terrible and I just don't know it yet. Town consensus at least provides multiple inputs so if I see several people who I think are good players reading the game the same way that I am, it helps me to solidify my reads. Let's put it this way. If I was a vig, I would never ever shoot D1. This mayor kill is no different than that in my eyes. Town KP is usually at a premium so I don't think it should be used based on one player's gut read D1. How about we just talk about who is mafia and who is town. To respond to your other post, (and also I suppose I can include Vivax or anyone else in the discussion about Oatsmaster), I felt like Oatsmaster has actually provided some substance this game. He has taken a unique angle in being interested in why players [i[don't want to be mayor, and he's been following up on this. I think that's actually rather decent for being less than an hour in. Really it feels genuine to me, like he's truly interested in the approach and people's answers. I think the contrarian stance he took here on Oats is scummy as well. I also sort of asked DP why he didn‘t want to be mayor at the beginning of the game. Best case though he spewed him town. Additionally he completely missed Meapaks point and I think he just faked the entire conversation and had little interest in actually reading and paying attention. | ||
Vivax
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On March 04 2024 22:10 sandroba wrote: Show nested quote + On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote: On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote: On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote: On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote: [quote]May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. Only read the thread up to this point so far. I think the once great town hero Trfel has betrayed us and is working with the enemy. The fact that he is choosing to comment so much on this technical aspect and not on people's alignment indicative behavior is what makes me believe this is the case. And why does it sound like you‘re scumreading him here and afterwards he lands in your top towns ? | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On March 04 2024 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On March 04 2024 21:15 DarthPunk wrote: On March 04 2024 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: On March 04 2024 21:09 DarthPunk wrote: On March 04 2024 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think Cake is town? I think ytour points 1 and 2 dont make her mafia, which i was kind of arguing. I think your point 3 is alid and it actually can make her mafia. Well you said my scum read on her was unreasonable so that kind of implied you thought she was town right? No that doesn't mean that. It was more about my read on you rather than Cake's alignment. What did it mean about that? Im gonna answer this and then continue in the same post with other things. If your read looks unreasonable to me, it might indicate you're mafia. Cake's alignment doesnt matter here at all since its not out of question you would make a shitty scumread even on your partner, just to back off from it later on. Its just that if you make a shitty read, that implicates you being mafia, regardless of the other person's alignment. I take back my town read on Trfel, i thought i saw something there when i was reading the thread at work but re-reading now that something didn't actually exist. Trfel could very well be mafia. I am still considering Slam mafia, and it's not a meta read. Sure at first it started as a meta read when he looked more serious and laid back than usual. That can be explained with his rl-situation. However, there should be simply no way he is considering me as his best vote for mayor at the moment. 1) I have openly stated he is my only scumread in the game at that point 2) DP makes points about Cake, Slam calls all of them good points. I disagree with 2/3 of those points, Slam STILL goes like "oh rayn makes very good point" -- both of those things can't be in his head, either DP's points are good or they are not in his opinion, yet he's saying they both are and they aren't. Furhtermore i don't in any case understand why he is making a list of who he is preferring as mayor in which order. He said before game he would want Hapa for mayor, why doesn't he even wait for Hapa to post while starting to campign "rayn for mayor" when it doesn't even make any sense for him to do so if he is town? For the uninitiated, why can’t Slam do this as town? | ||
Vivax
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On March 04 2024 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Trfel looks too clean, it worries me. You know what to do. Place two votes. | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On March 04 2024 23:17 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On March 04 2024 22:10 sandroba wrote: On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote: On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote: On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote: On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?[quote] Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. Only read the thread up to this point so far. I think the once great town hero Trfel has betrayed us and is working with the enemy. The fact that he is choosing to comment so much on this technical aspect and not on people's alignment indicative behavior is what makes me believe this is the case. And why does it sound like you‘re scumreading him here and afterwards he lands in your top towns ? Because he carried on reading the thread | ||
Vivax
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So I‘m at: Town: DP, Rayn, Oats, TTS Good nulls : Marv Null/need to read more: MZ, cop, Slam Bad nulls: VE, Sandroba Mafia: Trfel | ||
sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On March 04 2024 23:07 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: Trfel ##Mayor: Vivax Sandroba why do you believe that Trfel is town ? He posted exactly what I was thinking at the time, much like the last game. After he switched from posting about technicalities there is not a single post he made that I didn't fully agree with | ||
sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On March 04 2024 23:17 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On March 04 2024 22:10 sandroba wrote: On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote: On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote: On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote: On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?[quote] Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. Only read the thread up to this point so far. I think the once great town hero Trfel has betrayed us and is working with the enemy. The fact that he is choosing to comment so much on this technical aspect and not on people's alignment indicative behavior is what makes me believe this is the case. And why does it sound like you‘re scumreading him here and afterwards he lands in your top towns ? It sounds like that because that's exactly what happened. | ||
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