EPTTL Endures Mafia II - Page 31
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Chezinu
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LightningStrike
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Meapak_Ziphh
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I read the scum chat from last game. You were extremely active in that chat (and you can use that weather radar picture someone posted to roughly figure out where I live lol). You are a lot more active this game so the biggest "tunnel" argument I think I'm making is suggesting that your increased activity is scummy. Who do you think is scum right now. DP because you felt he misrepresented Copcake? Rayn or myself because we've called you scum? You've got a 4 page filter and I don't know who you think is mafia. Help me get untunneled, give me some reads you're willing to stand behind. This was last game: On May 25 2023 08:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null" Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one: Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast" EBWOP The red stuff is the same vibe I'm getting this game from you LS, even with your increased activity. | ||
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Chezinu
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On June 10 2023 12:29 LightningStrike wrote: What's in the letter Chezinu is this your answer? A photo: ![[image loading]](https://i.ibb.co/ssGnX6z/Chezinu-small-shoe-with-Disneys-Daisy-Duck-logo-that-is-hanging-ecfec268-b713-42f0-a5c2-0e45be327a37.png){kind=logo} Look familar? | ||
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LightningStrike
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On June 10 2023 12:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok LS untunnel me. I read the scum chat from last game. You were extremely active in that chat (and you can use that weather radar picture someone posted to roughly figure out where I live lol). You are a lot more active this game so the biggest "tunnel" argument I think I'm making is suggesting that your increased activity is scummy. Who do you think is scum right now. DP because you felt he misrepresented Copcake? Rayn or myself because we've called you scum? You've got a 4 page filter and I don't know who you think is mafia. Help me get untunneled, give me some reads you're willing to stand behind. This was last game: The red stuff is the same vibe I'm getting this game from you LS, even with your increased activity. More likely Darth than you or Rayn because of his fight with CopCake felt forced like it was scum vs town out of all the people pushing would be mafia is him. CopCake is town I felt like she was trying to push her thoughts. Vivax looks better at least posting more since I last talked about him. TTT is town I feel like he playing very similar to how he was last game. Rayn I think is town but tunneled on me. You I do think you are town but tunneled. | ||
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LightningStrike
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Vivax was looking for that or were you looking for that? | ||
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TankTopTiger
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Assume (as I do) that DP is not getting lynched today. Who is your next lynch and why? @LS How did you learn to play mafia? Who from? | ||
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TankTopTiger
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When can we expect you to join the game? | ||
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DarthPunk
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On June 10 2023 14:17 TankTopTiger wrote: @Vivax Assume (as I do) that DP is not getting lynched today. Who is your next lynch and why? @LS How did you learn to play mafia? Who from? Why is vivax scum reading me for a town read on ls I never had and hasn’t retracted even when Le corrected him. That’s what I want to know | ||
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On June 10 2023 14:24 TankTopTiger wrote: @Marv When can we expect you to join the game? Marv said he would be away for first three days before the game started | ||
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TankTopTiger
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Vivax if you are still basing your read on DP on him towning LS you need to go back and reread because I'm pretty that's not what happened. I believe LS already pointed this out to you FYI. | ||
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DarthPunk
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1.) my posting has been hard to follow and she genuinely is confused 2.) lack of comprehension on her part 3.) willful ignorance or operating in bad faith. I am going to explain this very carefully so that you all understand, because somehow it has gotten confusing even though from my perspective it is not confusing at all. On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote: But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote: Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? This is the post with which I begin to assert Copcake is not operating in good faith or not reading the thread. Note that it is at this point, AFTER I had provided her with my reasoning for the slam read, that this assertion is made, and IN DIRECT RESPONSE to this particular question. On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote: Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? Why? Because on the first page of my filter I had answered this question. On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote: You know you did this to me last game right :D On June 09 2023 14:28 DarthPunk wrote: If you don't see the point why did you post exactly that last game? This is the start of the argument. As you can see it is based specifically on a very specific part of her post. On June 09 2023 17:12 CopCake wrote: I understand, and I explained that the question I needed an answer for was why is slam town so I could know if your reads have some sort of substance or not. Because to - me - it looks like you wanted rayn reads to base yours in the future with that. I need to actually check last game and see if rayn asked you right away when there was only like 3 persons and 7 posts to - force you - have reads. :D Which she acknowledges here, before it became a big deal In the Thread. Here I clearly state again, that at the point that I stated she was operating in bad faith, in the post above, I had already answered every question she had in the thread, On June 09 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote: No its not. Unless you have asked me subsequent questions that I am not aware of after the point that I had stated you were operating in bad faith. In fact, I will answer every question you had at that time by quoting a prior post of mine when I return. That is how confident I am that this is not a lie Why was I confident? because she was asking in that post why I was forcing rayn to make reads, and it had already been established in the thread that the reason I had done so was because he had done the same to me in the prior game, a point which she later acknowledged. The fact that she later uses me refusing to answer her question on my slam read, despite it being clear that I had only refused because she was ignoring my own questions really leaves me wondering, is she just not understanding or reading my posts or is she mafia and trying to deliberately twist and obfuscate the facts of the matter? If that does not make it clear what my perspective on this is, then please ask for clarity. Because to me it is perfectly clear that something weird is going on with Copcake. | ||
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TankTopTiger
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FWIW, I don't think CC wants to be in this fight if she's red, so I don't think she would lie in order to make this fight happen. That'd make no sense. I'm red on CC, but not because of lie-gate. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On June 10 2023 16:00 TankTopTiger wrote: Okay, this seems like a clear picture of what happened to me. CC, is there anything wrong with this depiction? FWIW, I don't think CC wants to be in this fight if she's red, so I don't think she would lie in order to make this fight happen. That'd make no sense. I'm red on CC, but not because of lie-gate. Did I miss something in your filter TTT? Why are you red on CC? | ||
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TankTopTiger
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Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in. | ||
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DarthPunk
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(I have been following the thread on my phone but I am using the 2 hours free time I have now to post in more detail.) On June 09 2023 21:48 CopCake wrote: Dude, do you even know how much I post per game? This is nothing lol On June 09 2023 21:49 CopCake wrote: Tell me darth, how much do I post per game to know what is too little or too much? :D These posts make me think the cop cake stuff could just be a comprehension issue. I was clearly talking about myself posting less. It does make me concerned that someone is calling someone out without reading/understanding? their filter cause I had talked about this on the front page as well. On June 09 2023 21:51 LightningStrike wrote: Ya this cements how I was reading him to be honest. This post is scummy to me, but I think LS has posted so much more this game than last, MZ states later that this could be a reaction to his failings as scum in the prior game, and that could be true, but do people adjust so fast? can LS adjust that fast? I'm not sure, following the thread I feel better about LS than last game at this point I guess? I think he might just post in a way that is traditionally scummy. the real thing to look for is engagement levels, and they seem to be higher, but I also don't see him analysing things or scum hunting. Is LS able to do those things as town? On June 09 2023 21:51 TankTopTiger wrote: FWIW I don't care at all for any argument based on post-count, I'd ignore if for now if DP doesn't expand upon it. Find it weird that TTT did not read the post properly either. On June 09 2023 21:51 CopCake wrote: No by the time, you didn't answer my slam question which I needed, so you are just fabricating a scenario here. I invite EVERYONE to read my filter. Yep, either willful ignorance or straight up ignorant (see my big post on the matter) On June 09 2023 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: wtf? how can you misread "getting someone angry" into "getting angry"? Do you think i was getting angry or are you just sheeping marv's shit? How you ask? Its midnight, I'm phone posting in bed and I was drunk. I wasn't sheeping marvs shit, I was saying, if Marv thought that, it would be reasonable for others to also think this, but yeah just misread it. Lol. On June 09 2023 22:44 LightningStrike wrote: I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam. On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote: This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.- These two posts are absolutely not aligned, first is 'look i am participating I get whats happening' second is "yeah so confusing." Actually LS is sheeping rayn hard On June 09 2023 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: that being said the thing between DP and Cake is so convoluted i can't comprehend even when reading their filters... Make it easier to understand if you think one is mafia pls. Then On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote: This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.- Like rayn is clearly trying to get somewhere in the mess, LS is just trying to be part of it without actually adding things? On June 09 2023 22:48 LightningStrike wrote: That has to be the only explanation otherwise this just shitting up the thread for very little reason. Again this is making my head spin -.- More rayn sheep. Pretty gross. This post by Vivax is WILD! On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote: Had a nice nap after almost being choked to death in my sleep tonight. On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it. His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake. I‘d also add that the way rayn followed into DPs footsteps in regards to Cake felt forced and hedgy. Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on. With that in mind and them not giving off the same energy as last game where at least rayn seemed like an easy townlean, Cake gets my axe for wagonomical reasons til I get to decide if rayn isn‘t a better lynch for the way he got smacked into submission by DP. ##Vote DarthPunk Something about Ttts entrance also rubbed me the wrong way as it felt like they were evaluating the dp-cop interaction from the sidelines as an opener that suggested they wanted to play it safe. On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote: On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it. This partis just straight up untrue. I never town read LS on face value, I call that post out for feeling crafted, and guess what, Copypasta. It was. On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote: His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake. What questions? the one I did at the start of the game to get shit going? no idea what this means TBH On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote: Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on. I never mentioned her lunch. the thing we both saw was a narrative of suspicions cast at me which relied on a super early town read of rayn that didn;t make sense based on the stated meta of her scum reading rayn. And then she refused to elaborate on this town read. Yeah shit post Vivax TBH. On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote: By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced? Now LS sheeps vivax's take of the cupcake /Dp battle feeling forced. But its cast as his own idea? He knows someone else feels that way, vivax just posted that exact sentiment. Bad, bad, bad. On June 10 2023 04:17 Hapahauli wrote: I don’t think forcing a case is alignment indicative in an early game context. Stuff like him refusing to read Chez’s wall of text and then reading said wall anyway tells me he was just bored early game and doing random shit. Wrong, its actually pro town (not that the case on CC is particularly forced IMO) I feel fairly comfortable taking heat from people and provoking activity at the cost of some mild defending. I definitely have been the driver of a lot of activity and forcing people to take positions early in day one which is certainly pro town. You're right in regard to me though, I could probably still do this as mafia. On June 10 2023 05:30 Vivax wrote: Yes it is anxious and crafted. It‘s not from this world or era. It‘s pasta, copy..pasta. Do you think that‘s not revenant, DP ? Do you really think that ? Yep, that is why I scum read him for it immediately. lol. On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia. that's my best read atm Bad. On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia. that's my best read atm Initially I thought hapa didn't do enough to establish himself as town when he entered the game, particularly if he prides himself as being easy to read (and from memory this was very true when he was town 7 years ago) But the second read through he seems better to me, just feels very relaxed. On June 10 2023 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Chezinu is a good hunter of power roles as mafia, and has a "blue/red sickness" as town, which means people tend to play more cautiously when they are a power role rather than vanilla, and Chezinu recognizes that (and thinks it's mafia because mafia also plays more carefully). Vivax is not blue, never fucking ever in this game, so Chezinu has to be mafia because he i voting for Vivax and Vivax doesn't even look scummy at all. The problem with this is that I don't think he read his role PM. On June 10 2023 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think lynching LS is the way here though Agree at this point in my read through. On June 10 2023 06:12 LightningStrike wrote: Ok if I have to choose out of Darth and CopCake who is mafia more likely Darth? CopCake didn't lie about her stuff towards him and Darth really made something out of nothing for no reason? Bad. On June 10 2023 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you have to choose? Exactly. On June 10 2023 06:14 LightningStrike wrote: 1 of them is mafia the other is town. It felt to forced from one side (IE how I caught a mafia player in the past and was correct on who). This is usually what happens when 1 person is town the other is mafia. Where the fuck did this come from? On June 10 2023 06:21 Vivax wrote: I‘m like 90% sure LS is mind boggingly town after a skim. And y‘all thought you were good. Is this only for activity levels? YOu also thought he was town last game FWIW. And were very wrong. And it's only gotten worse as I read through I am afraid. On June 10 2023 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am going to agree, even if i dont want to. WTF?! Why the backflip. On June 10 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think iam gonna get around of this any more. "I think one is scum but i cant specify which just one is or for what reasons!!" ##unvote Chezinu ##vote LightningStrike sorry vivax i think this is it. Nevermind. On June 10 2023 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: hmm idk i think i let Hapa off too easy, it as kinda bad after all what he posted.. Bad does not equal scum. Otherwise Vivax is 1000% mafia in this spot. On June 10 2023 09:40 die_meatbaby wrote: I finished work right now... and wow much to read. I was just fast reading and have to read it again more accurately after some sleep, but what I got so far is Vivax is posting a lot of bullshit nonsense MZ writes bad as last game LS seems suspect for me Rayn seems always suspect for me so I can't make a opinion on him. TTT Strong Townread Marv is okey for now Chez is Chez. I still think he is not human. His account is a first AI try for scum maybe. And I have to Filter everyone I didn't mention here. I like DMB this game, not that I agree with all her reads, just reminds me of the end of last game a bit, like she is reading and comprehending what is actually happening. Not pretending to. Thats like 75th percentile play at this juncture. On June 10 2023 12:26 LightningStrike wrote: I was scum hunting by asking questions about people trying to come up with my own conclusions? I did come up with my own conclusions and was some of posting them. Actually you were sheeping strong players. HARD. This is just so not true. On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote: Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe. Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in. This is the big reason to scum read cop cake, she was paranoid as fuck in the obs thread, and it makes no sense for her to say, I was wrong last game and now I think you are town. I also think the way I enter games tends to draw out interest from scum trying to start a wagon on me, it's a great way of getting reads IMO. | ||
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DarthPunk
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I think DMB, TTT, Rayn look good. | ||
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Vivax will sort himself out over time I imagine. | ||
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