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On May 25 2023 21:35 TankTopTiger wrote:
TBH You could just summarise it and I'll trust the collective other 10 people to fact check you. This doesn't have to be hard. We could already be done.
He follows that post I linked with heaps prodding about MZ reads etc.
Basically, you can know this is the case because multiple people discussed sheeping marv, which means they were following his read and case, and that wouldn't be possible without Marv having made the case in the first place.
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And you can find Vivax’s comments on MZ within a couple of minutes of me posting that I believe.
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On May 25 2023 21:38 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 21:35 TankTopTiger wrote:
TBH You could just summarise it and I'll trust the collective other 10 people to fact check you. This doesn't have to be hard. We could already be done. He follows that post I linked with heaps prodding about MZ reads etc. Basically, you can know this is the case because multiple people discussed sheeping marv, which means they were following his read and case, and that wouldn't be possible without Marv having made the case in the first place.
Amen
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On May 25 2023 21:23 TankTopTiger wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 21:19 Koshi wrote:
Like TTT comes in and calls marv an empty shell/imposter and at the same time mebaby calls marv so strong town that if he doesn't die he should be lynched.
Of course they don't talk to each other and tomorrow they will try to vote marv out. That seems a tad hyperbolic to me. I thought asking questions was good?
I am saying that I don't understand why you are grilling marv while there is somebody in the thread that has the EXACT OPPOSITE of your opinion and you don't talk to her.
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No wait. You can grill marv. But why are you ignoring the person saying the exact opposite of what you are saying?
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Okay so what I've got is that:
Rayn made a meta-claim about MZ's behaviour. (what was this claim?)
Marv slept on it and woke up agreeing with Rayn.
Marv then built on this, saying the case was too clean/obvious, and doesn't look like he was trying to discern Marv's alignment.
Everyone then sheeped Marv's compelling claim.
Is this a fair summary of why everyone thinks Marv is town?
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You have 2 hands, just get another keyboard and you can type questions to both at the same time.
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On May 25 2023 21:55 TankTopTiger wrote:
Okay so what I've got is that:
Rayn made a meta-claim about MZ's behaviour. (what was this claim?)
Marv slept on it and woke up agreeing with Rayn.
Marv then built on this, saying the case was too clean/obvious, and doesn't look like he was trying to discern Marv's alignment.
Everyone then sheeped Marv's compelling claim.
Is this a fair summary of why everyone thinks Marv is town?
It’s a fair summary of my case.
What rayn said was that he did not remember MZ playing like this as town, that MZ tended to come across more ‘randomly’ to him (rayn) when MZ was town. That’s why it helped me click it into place with the clean stuff.
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Koshi, can you not think of a single reason why I would ask Marv to defend himself instead of asking the first-time player?
To a newcomer, you people are acting in lockstep with no rhyme or reason. I don't understand, and I don't expect someone who is also new to the scene to understand. So I'm asking the people I most expect to be able to answer my questions. That would be the people who apparently have it all figured out.
Can you please jump off Marv's lap if you're not going to help me? Thanks.
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On May 25 2023 21:55 TankTopTiger wrote:
Okay so what I've got is that:
Rayn made a meta-claim about MZ's behaviour. (what was this claim?)
Marv slept on it and woke up agreeing with Rayn.
Marv then built on this, saying the case was too clean/obvious, and doesn't look like he was trying to discern Marv's alignment.
Everyone then sheeped Marv's compelling claim.
Is this a fair summary of why everyone thinks Marv is town?
yes. very fair.
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On May 25 2023 21:58 TankTopTiger wrote:
Koshi, can you not think of a single reason why I would ask Marv to defend himself instead of asking the first-time player?
To a newcomer, you people are acting in lockstep with no rhyme or reason. I don't understand, and I don't expect someone who is also new to the scene to understand. So I'm asking the people I most expect to be able to answer my questions. That would be the people who apparently have it all figured out.
Can you please jump off Marv's lap if you're not going to help me? Thanks.
True.
I am just wondering why you are so focussed on marv and ignored the person saying the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you claimed only moments later.
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On May 25 2023 21:58 TankTopTiger wrote:
Koshi, can you not think of a single reason why I would ask Marv to defend himself instead of asking the first-time player?
To a newcomer, you people are acting in lockstep with no rhyme or reason. I don't understand, and I don't expect someone who is also new to the scene to understand. So I'm asking the people I most expect to be able to answer my questions. That would be the people who apparently have it all figured out.
Can you please jump off Marv's lap if you're not going to help me? Thanks.
It is cosy though, you’re welcome to hop on
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In retrospect, I should have got the sheep to spell out the case that they found so compelling. I'm not very good at this.
I find this weak. It feels vague to me. But I am aware that there is a lot of local knowledge I lack and can't verify. So I'm backing off for now (proving you don't deserve to be confirmed town isn't proving you mafia). I don't like how Koshi is tripping over himself defending you, it's weird.
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Tank top tiger looks very town to me based on the way he entered the thread. Fwiw
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On May 25 2023 22:06 TankTopTiger wrote:
In retrospect, I should have got the sheep to spell out the case that they found so compelling. I'm not very good at this.
I find this weak. It feels vague to me. But I am aware that there is a lot of local knowledge I lack and can't verify. So I'm backing off for now (proving you don't deserve to be confirmed town isn't proving you mafia). I don't like how Koshi is tripping over himself defending you, it's weird.
‘Weak’ but same argument as confirmed town. Just saying.
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In all seriousness, what is vague about it?
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I don’t think you need local knowledge to understand anything that I said. They are typical mafia traits.
If you disagree, please tell me with what specifically.
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I don't expect it to be as fruitful. As I'm trying to catch up, I'm focusing on the actions of the people I deem to have influence or to have moved things.
So ATM that's: you, VE, MZ, DP, Rayne, Marv. Once I have a better understanding of you guys, then I can get a handle on the noisier, less agentic players.
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Okay you've mentioned that a lot Marv (the same arguments are used by confirmed town). That doesn't matter to me. As far as I'm concerned, everyone just sheeped that last vote so I don't really have any reason to think correlation between thoughts is some gold standard of proof.
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