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On May 25 2023 21:15 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 21:08 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hi, I'm the sub for Sentinel. I'm caught up, but just pushed 1400 posts through my brain at top speed so don't expect me to be 100% on the ball. I'm going off vibes, so please feel free to correct me.
I've played before, maybe 10 newbie games. I'm an IRL friend of DP. I've also played meatspace werewolf a fair amount. I haven't played forum mafia in close to a decade, and don't really plan on approaching the game the same way anyway.
From what I see, there seems to be some mutual respect between Rayne, DP, and Marv. Almost like they are playing for who controls the endgame and the rest of you are just the social environment that facilitates it. Out of the three, I have no idea why people are acting like Marv is obviously town. He plays like an empty vessel. I'm obviously not part of whatever meta you guys have, but IMO MZ's aggression towards Marv has been warranted.
I would have voted for Vivax over MZ, who I get a town read off.
So I guess my first question is why Marv is just getting a free walk here? What makes everyone so certain he's town when for the most part he's not exerted any influence? IMO both Rayn and DP have provided insight, and in my eyes are earning their status, but not Marv.
Regarding VE, they strike me as committed to a bit. I'm not sure why they had such insane confidence, but honestly, a lot of how you guys talk comes off as fake to me. Not exerted any influence? My target would have been lynched if not for some crazy EOD shenanigans and the fact i was asleep. How Much more influence do you want? if you are town you will die in the first night for shure. Mafia are to scared of good players like you, so they make you die, because they know people would vote me out directly and so we lose 3 town people in D1 N1 and D2. If you don´t die in this night you are more likly to be mafia (for me) and people would vote on you on d2
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Can I please get shot so I can see marv defending himself against MZ, TTT and Mebaby while DP is cackling maniacally in the corner?
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On May 25 2023 21:17 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 21:12 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2023 20:50 TankTopTiger wrote:On May 25 2023 20:41 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
So I guess my first question is why Marv is just getting a free walk here? What makes everyone so certain he's town when for the most part he's not exerted any influence? He didn't get a free walk. We attacked marv and then welcomed him in the town circle after vetting him. It's ok if you missed that. You might have read discussions about a mebaby post saying marv looked town that scammed people in a previous game and now everybody is attacking him. Also. You say some people feel fake (because we force reads most likely), and then you don't like marv for "not exerting" any influence. That is a contradiction you should try to get rid of. marv is indeed a calm player, and is not yelling and swearing. But he did get his preferred target 5 votes. So he influenced at least that. Or was that somebody else his doing? Can you give me a time frame for when this vetting occurred? Because IMO that early nonsense where people push and pull based on nothing but farts means zero so establishing someone's alignment forevermore during that primordial soup is not a strong foundation for a town. RE: Contradiction It's not a contradiction. Having genuine reads is not the opposite of passivity. He asks a lot of questions (good), but then doesn't seem to take them anywhere in service to anything but his survival. I don't like fake reads, I think they muddy shit up. They're necessary to get the ball rolling, but once the ball is rolling I expect genuine reads not empty accusations. The ball is rolling and has been for a while, so IMO we don't need them. Again, to reiterate, confirmed town VIvax made the same case at almost the same time as me on MZSeriously, think about it a bit. Vivax’s read is literally confirmed townie. Mine, made at the same time is …… ? Fill in the dots for me xx Yes dear. You are town. Good job.
Consider for a moment, friend, that I don’t know the alignment of our new person and I might like to try to get him to apply some critical thinking - or display that he refuses.
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On May 25 2023 21:17 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 21:15 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 25 2023 21:08 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hi, I'm the sub for Sentinel. I'm caught up, but just pushed 1400 posts through my brain at top speed so don't expect me to be 100% on the ball. I'm going off vibes, so please feel free to correct me.
I've played before, maybe 10 newbie games. I'm an IRL friend of DP. I've also played meatspace werewolf a fair amount. I haven't played forum mafia in close to a decade, and don't really plan on approaching the game the same way anyway.
From what I see, there seems to be some mutual respect between Rayne, DP, and Marv. Almost like they are playing for who controls the endgame and the rest of you are just the social environment that facilitates it. Out of the three, I have no idea why people are acting like Marv is obviously town. He plays like an empty vessel. I'm obviously not part of whatever meta you guys have, but IMO MZ's aggression towards Marv has been warranted.
I would have voted for Vivax over MZ, who I get a town read off.
So I guess my first question is why Marv is just getting a free walk here? What makes everyone so certain he's town when for the most part he's not exerted any influence? IMO both Rayn and DP have provided insight, and in my eyes are earning their status, but not Marv.
Regarding VE, they strike me as committed to a bit. I'm not sure why they had such insane confidence, but honestly, a lot of how you guys talk comes off as fake to me. Not exerted any influence? My target would have been lynched if not for some crazy EOD shenanigans and the fact i was asleep. How Much more influence do you want? if you are town you will die in the first night for shure. Mafia are to scared of good players like you, so they make you die, because they know people would vote me out directly and so we lose 3 town people in D1 N1 and D2. If you don´t die in this night you are more likly to be mafia (for me) and people would vote on you on d2 ... ... ... Can I please get shot so I can see marv defending himself against MZ, TTT and Mebaby while DP is cackling maniacally in the corner?
why you think dp?
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On May 25 2023 21:08 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hi, I'm the sub for Sentinel. I'm caught up, but just pushed 1400 posts through my brain at top speed so don't expect me to be 100% on the ball. I'm going off vibes, so please feel free to correct me.
I've played before, maybe 10 newbie games. I'm an IRL friend of DP. I've also played meatspace werewolf a fair amount. I haven't played forum mafia in close to a decade, and don't really plan on approaching the game the same way anyway.
From what I see, there seems to be some mutual respect between Rayne, DP, and Marv. Almost like they are playing for who controls the endgame and the rest of you are just the social environment that facilitates it. Out of the three, I have no idea why people are acting like Marv is obviously town. He plays like an empty vessel. I'm obviously not part of whatever meta you guys have, but IMO MZ's aggression towards Marv has been warranted.
I would have voted for Vivax over MZ, who I get a town read off.
So I guess my first question is why Marv is just getting a free walk here? What makes everyone so certain he's town when for the most part he's not exerted any influence? IMO both Rayn and DP have provided insight, and in my eyes are earning their status, but not Marv.
Regarding VE, they strike me as committed to a bit. I'm not sure why they had such insane confidence, but honestly, a lot of how you guys talk comes off as fake to me. Not exerted any influence? My target would have been lynched if not for some crazy EOD shenanigans and the fact i was asleep. How Much more influence do you want?
I don't really remember your compelling case. Like I said I'm running off vibes. If I'm wrong, show me.
From my perspective, you're being respected as some sort of veteran who people give concessions to and who people sheep onto when they can't figure shit out for themselves. But I don't care for that. I want to see your actions that justify you being treated as town. Was there some great post you did that buried MZ, or did you just ride your incumbency?
So perhaps "influence" is the wrong word, what I'm after is the influencing actions. If you could highlight those for me I'd greatly appreciate it.
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On May 25 2023 21:17 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 21:15 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 25 2023 21:08 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hi, I'm the sub for Sentinel. I'm caught up, but just pushed 1400 posts through my brain at top speed so don't expect me to be 100% on the ball. I'm going off vibes, so please feel free to correct me.
I've played before, maybe 10 newbie games. I'm an IRL friend of DP. I've also played meatspace werewolf a fair amount. I haven't played forum mafia in close to a decade, and don't really plan on approaching the game the same way anyway.
From what I see, there seems to be some mutual respect between Rayne, DP, and Marv. Almost like they are playing for who controls the endgame and the rest of you are just the social environment that facilitates it. Out of the three, I have no idea why people are acting like Marv is obviously town. He plays like an empty vessel. I'm obviously not part of whatever meta you guys have, but IMO MZ's aggression towards Marv has been warranted.
I would have voted for Vivax over MZ, who I get a town read off.
So I guess my first question is why Marv is just getting a free walk here? What makes everyone so certain he's town when for the most part he's not exerted any influence? IMO both Rayn and DP have provided insight, and in my eyes are earning their status, but not Marv.
Regarding VE, they strike me as committed to a bit. I'm not sure why they had such insane confidence, but honestly, a lot of how you guys talk comes off as fake to me. Not exerted any influence? My target would have been lynched if not for some crazy EOD shenanigans and the fact i was asleep. How Much more influence do you want? if you are town you will die in the first night for shure. Mafia are to scared of good players like you, so they make you die, because they know people would vote me out directly and so we lose 3 town people in D1 N1 and D2. If you don´t die in this night you are more likly to be mafia (for me) and people would vote on you on d2 ... ... ... Can I please get shot so I can see marv defending himself against MZ, TTT and Mebaby while DP is cackling maniacally in the corner?
Pls no
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Like TTT comes in and calls marv an empty shell/imposter and at the same time mebaby calls marv so strong town that if he doesn't die he should be lynched.
Of course they don't talk to each other and tomorrow they will try to vote marv out.
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On May 25 2023 21:19 TankTopTiger wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 21:08 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hi, I'm the sub for Sentinel. I'm caught up, but just pushed 1400 posts through my brain at top speed so don't expect me to be 100% on the ball. I'm going off vibes, so please feel free to correct me.
I've played before, maybe 10 newbie games. I'm an IRL friend of DP. I've also played meatspace werewolf a fair amount. I haven't played forum mafia in close to a decade, and don't really plan on approaching the game the same way anyway.
From what I see, there seems to be some mutual respect between Rayne, DP, and Marv. Almost like they are playing for who controls the endgame and the rest of you are just the social environment that facilitates it. Out of the three, I have no idea why people are acting like Marv is obviously town. He plays like an empty vessel. I'm obviously not part of whatever meta you guys have, but IMO MZ's aggression towards Marv has been warranted.
I would have voted for Vivax over MZ, who I get a town read off.
So I guess my first question is why Marv is just getting a free walk here? What makes everyone so certain he's town when for the most part he's not exerted any influence? IMO both Rayn and DP have provided insight, and in my eyes are earning their status, but not Marv.
Regarding VE, they strike me as committed to a bit. I'm not sure why they had such insane confidence, but honestly, a lot of how you guys talk comes off as fake to me. Not exerted any influence? My target would have been lynched if not for some crazy EOD shenanigans and the fact i was asleep. How Much more influence do you want? I don't really remember your compelling case. Like I said I'm running off vibes. If I'm wrong, show me. From my perspective, you're being respected as some sort of veteran who people give concessions to and who people sheep onto when they can't figure shit out for themselves. But I don't care for that. I want to see your actions that justify you being treated as town. Was there some great post you did that buried MZ, or did you just ride your incumbency? So perhaps "influence" is the wrong word, what I'm after is the influencing actions. If you could highlight those for me I'd greatly appreciate it.
Read my filter, it’s in my biggest post. Plus I talk about my read multiple times.
If you can’t remember or find the posts that I’m talking about, that kinda invalidates everything you are shading towards me, doesn’t it?
P.S influencing actions = I got my biggest townreads to vote with me on my wagon, only to be derailed last minute by madness. There is no semantic difference between “influence” and “influencing actions”, all we have is our words in our posts, and what comes of those.
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On May 25 2023 21:19 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 21:17 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 21:15 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 25 2023 21:08 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hi, I'm the sub for Sentinel. I'm caught up, but just pushed 1400 posts through my brain at top speed so don't expect me to be 100% on the ball. I'm going off vibes, so please feel free to correct me.
I've played before, maybe 10 newbie games. I'm an IRL friend of DP. I've also played meatspace werewolf a fair amount. I haven't played forum mafia in close to a decade, and don't really plan on approaching the game the same way anyway.
From what I see, there seems to be some mutual respect between Rayne, DP, and Marv. Almost like they are playing for who controls the endgame and the rest of you are just the social environment that facilitates it. Out of the three, I have no idea why people are acting like Marv is obviously town. He plays like an empty vessel. I'm obviously not part of whatever meta you guys have, but IMO MZ's aggression towards Marv has been warranted.
I would have voted for Vivax over MZ, who I get a town read off.
So I guess my first question is why Marv is just getting a free walk here? What makes everyone so certain he's town when for the most part he's not exerted any influence? IMO both Rayn and DP have provided insight, and in my eyes are earning their status, but not Marv.
Regarding VE, they strike me as committed to a bit. I'm not sure why they had such insane confidence, but honestly, a lot of how you guys talk comes off as fake to me. Not exerted any influence? My target would have been lynched if not for some crazy EOD shenanigans and the fact i was asleep. How Much more influence do you want? if you are town you will die in the first night for shure. Mafia are to scared of good players like you, so they make you die, because they know people would vote me out directly and so we lose 3 town people in D1 N1 and D2. If you don´t die in this night you are more likly to be mafia (for me) and people would vote on you on d2 ... ... ... Can I please get shot so I can see marv defending himself against MZ, TTT and Mebaby while DP is cackling maniacally in the corner? why you think dp?
I am stuck between thinking he cant think, or that he really should stop trying.
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On May 25 2023 21:19 Koshi wrote:
Like TTT comes in and calls marv an empty shell/imposter and at the same time mebaby calls marv so strong town that if he doesn't die he should be lynched.
Of course they don't talk to each other and tomorrow they will try to vote marv out.
That seems a tad hyperbolic to me. I thought asking questions was good?
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Yes I know I wrote twice times
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Marv your filter is like 400 posts long. I just read 1400. Can you just point me to it please I'm trying to catch up and I don't want to have to read everyone's entire filter everytime I ask a question.
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No I can’t, because I talk about my MZ read many times, and as fabulous as I am, I don’t want to put together a post of 20 quotes on an iPad. If you don’t understand that I’ve done so then everything you’re throwing towards me is invalidated as you’re telling me what I am or am not doing without actually having read my posts.
How about you take your time and actually read my posts first, if you are actually suspicious of me, and we can have a sensible discussion.
Or, you know, keep doing what you’re doing.
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On May 25 2023 21:22 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 21:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 25 2023 21:17 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 21:15 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 25 2023 21:08 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hi, I'm the sub for Sentinel. I'm caught up, but just pushed 1400 posts through my brain at top speed so don't expect me to be 100% on the ball. I'm going off vibes, so please feel free to correct me.
I've played before, maybe 10 newbie games. I'm an IRL friend of DP. I've also played meatspace werewolf a fair amount. I haven't played forum mafia in close to a decade, and don't really plan on approaching the game the same way anyway.
From what I see, there seems to be some mutual respect between Rayne, DP, and Marv. Almost like they are playing for who controls the endgame and the rest of you are just the social environment that facilitates it. Out of the three, I have no idea why people are acting like Marv is obviously town. He plays like an empty vessel. I'm obviously not part of whatever meta you guys have, but IMO MZ's aggression towards Marv has been warranted.
I would have voted for Vivax over MZ, who I get a town read off.
So I guess my first question is why Marv is just getting a free walk here? What makes everyone so certain he's town when for the most part he's not exerted any influence? IMO both Rayn and DP have provided insight, and in my eyes are earning their status, but not Marv.
Regarding VE, they strike me as committed to a bit. I'm not sure why they had such insane confidence, but honestly, a lot of how you guys talk comes off as fake to me. Not exerted any influence? My target would have been lynched if not for some crazy EOD shenanigans and the fact i was asleep. How Much more influence do you want? if you are town you will die in the first night for shure. Mafia are to scared of good players like you, so they make you die, because they know people would vote me out directly and so we lose 3 town people in D1 N1 and D2. If you don´t die in this night you are more likly to be mafia (for me) and people would vote on you on d2 ... ... ... Can I please get shot so I can see marv defending himself against MZ, TTT and Mebaby while DP is cackling maniacally in the corner? why you think dp? I am stuck between thinking he cant think, or that he really should stop trying.
I am town then? so you calling me mafia was not genuine?
Shocked.
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Nah this is BS. Absence of evidence and all that. I'm asking you to substantiate your town status. You say you made a case but can't point to it. Now I have to remember or reread every single post or can't question you. Bullshit.
Koshi says you were vetted but that's not what I remember. You say you made a case but that's not what I remember.
I'm not reading it all again. There's an easy way to clear this up.
I don't need it right now, we've got three days until next lynch. Do you have access to a computer in that time?
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On May 25 2023 21:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 20:50 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 20:47 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 20:46 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 20:36 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 20:32 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 09:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia. I think you both may vote for Vivax if you want to, i am not gonna stand in the way. I just don't think you're likely to lynch mafia, although there is a chance he is mafia lol.. I guess that's me saying it's not my preferred lynch in a way, or i dont even know what i am saying anymore, havent slept in almost a day. Do what you do, i dont think there is any more players for me to change their opinion onto what i want o be the lynch, so up to you. If you dont want Meapak lynched, do something about it. On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know. I will need to analyse this further. So rayn made a comment that opened the gate to make 6 people vote Vivax. And all these posts I read in his filter saying MZ was a better lynch in his eyes were inefficient. So which voodoo did he use to make that 1 message so much more powerful? I shall need to contact the Brown for this. Have you read all the posts yet? I literally asked him why, and he gave no reasons, and then later tacitly agreed with VE that it was because of the fact that you had all agreed to the lynch prior and he didn't want scum to influence at the end. The next time I take a shit I will put some glitter on it, look at it for 30 seconds and flush. I think that will be more tasteful than reading the 350 posts before the Vivax lynch. Well in the interest of accuracy then, maybe you shouldn't put weight on that section of the game if you don't care to read. it. Or ask questions about it Or declare you will lynch half the town as a result of it. Not having read it and all. Half of the town (the bad part) and all the mafia. The broken clock is correct twice per day. As far as we know that is twice times more than you.
So am I wrong or am I mafia?
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On May 25 2023 21:32 TankTopTiger wrote:
Nah this is BS. Absence of evidence and all that. I'm asking you to substantiate your town status. You say you made a case but can't point to it. Now I have to remember or reread every single post or can't question you. Bullshit.
Koshi says you were vetted but that's not what I remember. You say you made a case but that's not what I remember.
I'm not reading it all again. There's an easy way to clear this up.
I don't need it right now, we've got three days until next lynch. Do you have access to a computer in that time?
Evidence is all in my filter. Literally everything I’ve done is completely available for you to see. Noting I have done is hidden from anyone.
Jesus Christ.
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TBH You could just summarise it and I'll trust the collective other 10 people to fact check you. This doesn't have to be hard. We could already be done.
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On May 25 2023 21:32 TankTopTiger wrote:
Nah this is BS. Absence of evidence and all that. I'm asking you to substantiate your town status. You say you made a case but can't point to it. Now I have to remember or reread every single post or can't question you. Bullshit.
Koshi says you were vetted but that's not what I remember. You say you made a case but that's not what I remember.
I'm not reading it all again. There's an easy way to clear this up.
I don't need it right now, we've got three days until next lynch. Do you have access to a computer in that time?
He did make a case FWIW.
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First post of the game on a computer for me, hurrah! And first post of today with clothes on, you'll all be thrilled to hear. I'm going to summarise where I'm at.
Koshi and rayn seem pretty-to-very town to me, at least if they are not I am not going to be catching them very soon. rayn thinks what I think a good bunch of the time. Koshi loves to vote for me d1 as town (not that that's the reason for the read, but ya know)
DP I am no longer particularly suspicious of, I don't think I have a reason to be.
VE I don't think I am suspicious of either. Some of his posts are very ?????? to me, but I don't think that makes him mafia. VE loves a big or crazy sort of play as mafia and he's not afraid to put himself out there, but I don't think it's like this?
Vivax I am unsure of. Tonally I think he looks fairly town, but before I looked at his filter just now I'm at least somewhat suspicious of him. It feels to me that a town-Vivax should be using all his irl leverage to really question and dig into MB's alignment, rather than giving occasional summaries of his thoughts. I just imagine myself in Vivax's position - I would want nothing more than to determine the alignment of my friend. I did re-read his filter though and it also didn't scream mafia particularly apart from that, random comment about MB being mafia spews me town, is that something he writes as mafia?
Slam could be anything (if there's a way to tell that I can't remember, enlighten me). LS I am also very null on.
MB I don't have much else to add than what Koshi said and my response to what Koshi said not long ago. Could easily be mafia, meatbaby - I really encourage you to post your thoughts and reasoning behind them as much as possible today
MZ I think is mafia. It was floating around in my brain yesterday, but the case against me at least looked clean and (some) of his posts maybe looked okay, so I wasn't sure how to pinpoint what I was thinking. But rayn's comments about MZ and how his posting style appeared to him in past games really resonated to me and helped me make sense of my thoughts. Actually his case against me is too clean/obvious, and I don't think he's actually trying to discern my alignment. I think he is playing the way an old-school scum player plays, relatively unruffly comments, targeting someone (me) that has at least some thread traction, a case that 'makes sense' but doesn't dig any further.
##vote: MZ
P.S. I am slightly sad that we have 2 non-posters, I hope at least 2 mafia sit in the people actually playing, or it's gonna be sucky.
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