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TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 25 2023 13:37 GMT
#1481
This is how I see it (because you asked):


Rayn made a meta-claim about MZ's behaviour [that I cannot verify and that I don't trust other people to verify. This is an incredibly large pool of information to cherry pick from, meaning Rayne can always pick the narrative that suits them.]
Marv slept on it and woke up agreeing with Rayn [but then seems to be getting a lot of credit for agreeing with Rayne]
Marv then built on this, saying the case was too clean/obvious, and doesn't look like he was trying to discern Marv's alignment [but a case being clean or obvious is good actually. Which to me makes this entire act of influence reducible to pointing out the inadequacy of the line of questioning against him, a maneuver indistinguishable from personal defense]

Everyone then sheeped Marv's compelling claim.


But I'm trying to leave it for now because it's not productive. I still don't really understand how you were vetted either, but that's something I intend on taking up with Koshi/Rayne once I've slept. I expect that if someone has a confirmed town read, they are able to point to why.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 25 2023 13:41 GMT
#1482
That's not to say MZ not looking for alignment is not a good point (might be worth going through this later), but it's something that was simultaneously defensive. So to me, you were very passive and only exerted influence when threatened. I have high expectations for the contributions of DP, Reyn, Marv, and Koshi, so me not seeing any evidence of you having been proactive puts you grey at best for me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 13:43 GMT
#1483
Okay, so you don’t understand that what I was getting at are typical mafia traits. Thanks for confirming.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 13:45 GMT
#1484
But yes, I also need to stop as I can feel myself getting a little irritated, and I’ve done pretty well so far not letting that bleed too much into my play.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 13:49 GMT
#1485
On May 25 2023 22:41 TankTopTiger wrote:
That's not to say MZ not looking for alignment is not a good point (might be worth going through this later), but it's something that was simultaneously defensive. So to me, you were very passive and only exerted influence when threatened. I have high expectations for the contributions of DP, Reyn, Marv, and Koshi, so me not seeing any evidence of you having been proactive puts you grey at best for me.

Putting aside the rest, I really invite you to look into the interactions between MZ and I. I would be surprised if you did not come to the conclusion that I was trying to get a better read on him and he was not doing the same thing.

I’d just like to say something else here. As I’ve been forced to defend myself a bit here, it’s also made me take a more ‘certain’ line on MZ than I actually feel. Do I think he’s mafia? Yes I do.
Do I think it’s 100% certain? No I really don’t. But I do think it’s a good case.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
May 25 2023 13:51 GMT
#1486
On May 25 2023 21:52 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 21:23 TankTopTiger wrote:
On May 25 2023 21:19 Koshi wrote:
Like TTT comes in and calls marv an empty shell/imposter and at the same time mebaby calls marv so strong town that if he doesn't die he should be lynched.

Of course they don't talk to each other and tomorrow they will try to vote marv out.


That seems a tad hyperbolic to me. I thought asking questions was good?

I am saying that I don't understand why you are grilling marv while there is somebody in the thread that has the EXACT OPPOSITE of your opinion and you don't talk to her.

As a gamergirl I am used to get ignored
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 25 2023 13:52 GMT
#1487
On May 25 2023 16:31 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 07:45 Alakaslam wrote:
On May 25 2023 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv let me know when you're about to get off. Youre my top town aside from Koshi and DP is prolly town too and i don't even know what others are anymore, but if we can't figure this out here then we're super bad or i am wrong and even more bad, or all mafia are non-posters and game is invalid.

I am having trouble keeping up during breaks throughout the day but I resonate with this post so hard that I don't need to bold anything.

Why didn’t you vote with me?

I became certain M_Z was town. I wasn't certain Vivax was.

It was in order to save MZ. Clearly, I now have more than a little regret.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 13:53 GMT
#1488
On May 25 2023 22:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 16:31 marvellosity wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:45 Alakaslam wrote:
On May 25 2023 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv let me know when you're about to get off. Youre my top town aside from Koshi and DP is prolly town too and i don't even know what others are anymore, but if we can't figure this out here then we're super bad or i am wrong and even more bad, or all mafia are non-posters and game is invalid.

I am having trouble keeping up during breaks throughout the day but I resonate with this post so hard that I don't need to bold anything.

Why didn’t you vote with me?

I became certain M_Z was town. I wasn't certain Vivax was.

It was in order to save MZ. Clearly, I now have more than a little regret.

Sucker for a little bit of emotion eh?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 13:56 GMT
#1489
I sort of think Slam is town. Anyone want to discuss that with me?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 14:05 GMT
#1490
On May 25 2023 22:56 marvellosity wrote:
I sort of think Slam is town. Anyone want to discuss that with me?

I don't think so. He voted for Vivax because of MZ made a good farewell post but the farewell post is actually really bad.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 14:08 GMT
#1491
goddamn DP..
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 14:11 GMT
#1492
On May 25 2023 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 22:56 marvellosity wrote:
I sort of think Slam is town. Anyone want to discuss that with me?

I don't think so. He voted for Vivax because of MZ made a good farewell post but the farewell post is actually really bad.

I didn’t say I thought it was good. But I can get it.

Do you think mafia Slam plays like that? Genuine question as I have no idea.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 14:13 GMT
#1493
Basically I was furious with Slam when I saw the vote count, but for some reason less furious after I read the thread.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 14:15 GMT
#1494
My opinion is that Slam is town in case Meapak is town. Slam would still most likely try to save his scumbuddy (Meapak) if that is the case, he didn't even have a scumread on Vivax and voted for him anyways because some bs farewell post, and especiaclly when his tip top town tier player who he respects is leading the wagon on Meapak...
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 14:15 GMT
#1495
Like if Meapak is town it's just pure stupidity as mafia to vote on Vivax when everything you have wrote says you should vote for Meapak.
table for two on a tv tray
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 25 2023 14:22 GMT
#1496
On May 25 2023 20:32 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 09:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.

I think you both may vote for Vivax if you want to, i am not gonna stand in the way. I just don't think you're likely to lynch mafia, although there is a chance he is mafia lol.. I guess that's me saying it's not my preferred lynch in a way, or i dont even know what i am saying anymore, havent slept in almost a day.

Do what you do, i dont think there is any more players for me to change their opinion onto what i want o be the lynch, so up to you. If you dont want Meapak lynched, do something about it.


Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.

I will need to analyse this further.

So rayn made a comment that opened the gate to make 6 people vote Vivax. And all these posts I read in his filter saying MZ was a better lynch in his eyes were inefficient.

So which voodoo did he use to make that 1 message so much more powerful?

I shall need to contact the Brown for this.

God

Joni has probably been active more recently, IDK man. Or DP is just right that you are unseasonably salty about this...
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 25 2023 14:26 GMT
#1497
On May 25 2023 20:42 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 20:38 die_meatbaby wrote:
The thing is a heard before we started the game marv and Koshi are the most strong gamer (said by Vivax) Koshi is going to hard in this thread to be mafia. Would be to fucking insane if he realy is. Marv make like mild and save posts here. Also looked like he tried to get the attention from mafia on me. But i would wait now what will happen in the night. Mafia can kill somebody it will not be me becauce i will get voted out soon, becauce i played in my unique crazy style. If marv dies in the first night i will def vote on MZ or VE but first MZ for shure. If marv don´t die in the first night i could be mafia. Mafia only let people die who scare them, I am def not one of them becauce almost killed my self here with my random thoughts.

I am glad we kept you.

Ditto fwiw
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 14:29 GMT
#1498
Sadly i think Chezinu is town UNLESS Meapak is town or the mafia team is exactly Meapak + Chezinu + Onegu. Onegu is voting off wagon and if onegu is town and meapak is mafia i highly doubt chezinu FIRST votes for Sentinel and only after that Vivax (Onegu voting for Meapak would have secured the lynch at any time -- so i doubt maf!chez would wait with his vote for that long anyways if town!onegu and maf!meapak).
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 25 2023 14:31 GMT
#1499
lol I read MZ filter. Pretty sure he is mafia. Good stuff.
Last game he kept repeating Rels was town (he wasn't) and that we should lynch decundou, and then after he lynched decundou and he flipped town. He was mad at HF and I for not being around while we were voting mafia Rels.

This is not the same MZ.
I had a good night of sleep.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 25 2023 14:31 GMT
#1500
On May 25 2023 22:53 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 22:52 Alakaslam wrote:
On May 25 2023 16:31 marvellosity wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:45 Alakaslam wrote:
On May 25 2023 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv let me know when you're about to get off. Youre my top town aside from Koshi and DP is prolly town too and i don't even know what others are anymore, but if we can't figure this out here then we're super bad or i am wrong and even more bad, or all mafia are non-posters and game is invalid.

I am having trouble keeping up during breaks throughout the day but I resonate with this post so hard that I don't need to bold anything.

Why didn’t you vote with me?

I became certain M_Z was town. I wasn't certain Vivax was.

It was in order to save MZ. Clearly, I now have more than a little regret.

Sucker for a little bit of emotion eh?

More than a little bit of a suckered for it, yes
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
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