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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 15:13 GMT
#1521
On May 26 2023 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i have genuinely no idea why both VE and DP voted with the people they did instead of the people they didn't. It was not like Meapak was REALLY TOWNIE and Vivax REALLY SCUMMY in anyone's right mind.

Quite simple for VE. If he’s town he just genuinely believes what he believes and he’s pigheaded about it. Nothing out of character there.

If he’s mafia he’s very brazenly just mislynching Vivax because he can. Also not out of character.

DP much less obvious.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 15:15 GMT
#1522
On May 26 2023 00:11 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2023 00:03 marvellosity wrote:
Rayn or Koshi, can you remind me your reasoning why MZ/VE isn’t a likely team?

For me it was because MZ talked to him and his attacks/replies went from soft to hard.

But now that I reread it, MZ then brushed it off saying VE wasn't a high priority and put him as null in his next list post.

Thanks, so it isn’t something too nailed on then. I really could see a maf VE charging into save maf MZ by getting ppl to pile on Vivax while people are asleep.

Don’t know if it’s likely, but it’s definitely plausible
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:17 GMT
#1523
On May 25 2023 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:24 Vivax wrote:
I‘ma call it a nighty-o
1gu I hope delivers something decent in the future. I don‘t think he read anything at all tbh.

LS gets a downgrade for last appearance while rayn is being annoying on me, redeemed by being observant on him tho.

I‘m sorry if MZ is town.
I‘d also add (to reasons why I think he’s mafia) that his complaint about the egregious posting was warranted, at the same time it felt a bit like he was exaggerating his reaction. Maybe to gain a bunch of cheap cred with those insulted.

Should be an interesting angle to revisit at some point.

Dont worry i wont be advocating a lynch on you in ANY case (while i think you could be mafia) here. You will live to see D2.

You read it here folx, rayn is actively trying to protect mafia Vivax from the lynch.

I think this is where rayn fucked up ladies and gentlemen. Until now his play could be classified as stubborn town, this post right here proves that he's actively trying to harm town, removing the stubborn town possibility entirely because townRayn would never ever not lynch Vivax if he thinks he's mafia if the lynch is viable in this situation.

FUCKING GOTTEEEEEEEEMMMMM

marv, do you think mafia VE says this knowing that either Vivax will flip town or Meapak will flip mafia? In my mind it's a no, but you know VE probably better so what's your opinion?
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 15:22 GMT
#1524
On May 26 2023 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2023 07:24 Vivax wrote:
I‘ma call it a nighty-o
1gu I hope delivers something decent in the future. I don‘t think he read anything at all tbh.

LS gets a downgrade for last appearance while rayn is being annoying on me, redeemed by being observant on him tho.

I‘m sorry if MZ is town.
I‘d also add (to reasons why I think he’s mafia) that his complaint about the egregious posting was warranted, at the same time it felt a bit like he was exaggerating his reaction. Maybe to gain a bunch of cheap cred with those insulted.

Should be an interesting angle to revisit at some point.

Dont worry i wont be advocating a lynch on you in ANY case (while i think you could be mafia) here. You will live to see D2.

You read it here folx, rayn is actively trying to protect mafia Vivax from the lynch.

I think this is where rayn fucked up ladies and gentlemen. Until now his play could be classified as stubborn town, this post right here proves that he's actively trying to harm town, removing the stubborn town possibility entirely because townRayn would never ever not lynch Vivax if he thinks he's mafia if the lynch is viable in this situation.

FUCKING GOTTEEEEEEEEMMMMM

marv, do you think mafia VE says this knowing that either Vivax will flip town or Meapak will flip mafia? In my mind it's a no, but you know VE probably better so what's your opinion?

Yeah he’s cunning enough to say that.

The thing with VE is he’s a smarter mafia player than town as he has all the info. And he has big balls so he’s willing to say stuff like that.

I can’t read too much into it either way as I think he can say this as either alignment
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:23 GMT
#1525
Like the problem i have with VE is that both me and marv said that Vivax would probably act JUST like he did as town and we both know that from own personal experience, and VE never considers that it could be the case that Vivax acts like that as town just because he himself wouldnt.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 15:25 GMT
#1526
On May 26 2023 00:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the problem i have with VE is that both me and marv said that Vivax would probably act JUST like he did as town and we both know that from own personal experience, and VE never considers that it could be the case that Vivax acts like that as town just because he himself wouldnt.

Yes that’s what I was trying to get at multiple times yesterday, I don’t understand how it didn’t at least create doubt either.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:29 GMT
#1527
I am sorry i was really tired yesterday, i hadn't slept for like 22 hrs when i basically fell asleep in front of the computer.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:34 GMT
#1528
On May 25 2023 21:55 TankTopTiger wrote:
Okay so what I've got is that:

Rayn made a meta-claim about MZ's behaviour. (what was this claim?)
Marv slept on it and woke up agreeing with Rayn.
Marv then built on this, saying the case was too clean/obvious, and doesn't look like he was trying to discern Marv's alignment.
Everyone then sheeped Marv's compelling claim.

Is this a fair summary of why everyone thinks Marv is town?

That's not at least why i think marv is town. I thought he is town before he made that post already.
On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
So I guess my first question is why Marv is just getting a free walk here? What makes everyone so certain he's town when for the most part he's not exerted any influence? IMO both Rayn and DP have provided insight, and in my eyes are earning their status, but not Marv.

Can you give some examples of posts from me and DP you think are insightful? Just to figure out what you should think is insightful and whatnot.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:48 GMT
#1529
On May 25 2023 09:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Yeah I think I've been hammered. GL guys, don't forget that (1) Vivax was runner up, please (2) look at Marv again, and don't let (3) LightningStrike/Onegu/DMP skate by with blatant anti town play.

Gonna enjoy my dinner in peace.

Everyone who thinks this post is very townie farewell post needs to explain why. If i read correctly Slam and DP(?) at least thought so. Because:

(1) Doesnt say anything. There is no reason at that point why Meapak and Vivax couldnt even be mafia together. They are voting each other because they have to, and neither of them is the engineer behind each other's lynch.

(2) If Meapak flips mafia this says absolutely nothing because noone is gonna look at marv after Meapak flips mafia. IT's extremely safe thing to say in case Meapak is mafia so in retrospect it should not in itself be considered as townie.

(3) Same thing here. If Meapak flips mafia, LS is 99% of the time town. The two other people are already under (at least some) suspicion so like once again, this doesn't give anything new and is just a really safe thing to say so noone's alignment is actually gonna get figured out.

Like it's a meek post with no insight in Meapak is town, and exactly what Meapak would say as mafia to not give away any information.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:55 GMT
#1530
TankTopTiger what do you think about Meapak?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 15:57 GMT
#1531
On May 25 2023 22:41 TankTopTiger wrote:
That's not to say MZ not looking for alignment is not a good point (might be worth going through this later), but it's something that was simultaneously defensive. So to me, you were very passive and only exerted influence when threatened. I have high expectations for the contributions of DP, Reyn, Marv, and Koshi, so me not seeing any evidence of you having been proactive puts you grey at best for me.

Like this is very weird... You know Meapak was the other wagon engineered by marv and he has no intention to look into Meapak as in if marv is right or not (for right or wrong reasons but that doesnt matter), instead all he posts is attacking the lead person on the unflipped wagon against a town wagon??
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 16:00 GMT
#1532
Like if i subbed in and saw a close lynch and townie lynched, i would immediately read Maepak filter, make my own conclusions on it, then read what everyone said about meapak and compare it with my notes, then read meapak filter again to see if the differences with people make sense or not, then make my educated guess if the lynch was tvt or tvm.

But what he did is just backwards..
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 16:00 GMT
#1533
On May 26 2023 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 22:41 TankTopTiger wrote:
That's not to say MZ not looking for alignment is not a good point (might be worth going through this later), but it's something that was simultaneously defensive. So to me, you were very passive and only exerted influence when threatened. I have high expectations for the contributions of DP, Reyn, Marv, and Koshi, so me not seeing any evidence of you having been proactive puts you grey at best for me.

Like this is very weird... You know Meapak was the other wagon engineered by marv and he has no intention to look into Meapak as in if marv is right or not (for right or wrong reasons but that doesnt matter), instead all he posts is attacking the lead person on the unflipped wagon against a town wagon??

It’s quite the interesting choice of target isn’t it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 16:04 GMT
#1534
Not discounting the possibility of just straight out discredit the person who is right on their scumbuddy to avoid talking about scumbuddy.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 16:12 GMT
#1535
That's pretty much all i want to hear before deadline.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 25 2023 17:20 GMT
#1536
On May 26 2023 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 09:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Yeah I think I've been hammered. GL guys, don't forget that (1) Vivax was runner up, please (2) look at Marv again, and don't let (3) LightningStrike/Onegu/DMP skate by with blatant anti town play.

Gonna enjoy my dinner in peace.

Everyone who thinks this post is very townie farewell post needs to explain why. If i read correctly Slam and DP(?) at least thought so. Because:

(1) Doesnt say anything. There is no reason at that point why Meapak and Vivax couldnt even be mafia together. They are voting each other because they have to, and neither of them is the engineer behind each other's lynch.

(2) If Meapak flips mafia this says absolutely nothing because noone is gonna look at marv after Meapak flips mafia. IT's extremely safe thing to say in case Meapak is mafia so in retrospect it should not in itself be considered as townie.

(3) Same thing here. If Meapak flips mafia, LS is 99% of the time town. The two other people are already under (at least some) suspicion so like once again, this doesn't give anything new and is just a really safe thing to say so noone's alignment is actually gonna get figured out.

Like it's a meek post with no insight in Meapak is town, and exactly what Meapak would say as mafia to not give away any information.

My reasoning was twofold
1. Emotion, it impacted my gut very strongly
2. I agree with M_Z on lightningstrike and had a null on Vivax, also disliked Onegu's entrance to the thread at like, eod. It didn't sound like a position I resonated with entirely, but it was a doubling down on seeing town shit ourselves on a bad ml (himself) given his perspective on himself.

Now, with the benefit of hindsight? I gone done goofed

I thought with stomach. Stomach for food thinking for brain

Look at vote count cave wizard, alaka of brain more important slam rock
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 25 2023 17:21 GMT
#1537
*more important than slam rock

(Previous post calling past self stupid on a primal level)
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2023 18:09 GMT
#1538
VE, how you feeling about things now the dust settled a bit?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 25 2023 19:38 GMT
#1539
It's amazing how Darthpunk is going full Holyflare after a mistake he himself made. I have never ever encouraged anyone to vote for Vivax, the only thing close is when i am considering between MZ/Onegu/Vivax, and even there i am talking directly to marv and noone else. That happens about 4 hours before i leave the tread and after that i continuously say i don't think vivax will flip mafia and i am going to stay on MZ. Yet somehow Darthpunk (and mebaby) have somehow come to conclusion i almost lead a lynch on Vivax??? And now apparently Koshi is mafia??? Because DP voted wrong. It's pretty amazing to read this.

Darthpunk please don't go full Holyflare if youre town.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 25 2023 19:59 GMT
#1540
On May 26 2023 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's amazing how Darthpunk is going full Holyflare after a mistake he himself made. I have never ever encouraged anyone to vote for Vivax, the only thing close is when i am considering between MZ/Onegu/Vivax, and even there i am talking directly to marv and noone else. That happens about 4 hours before i leave the tread and after that i continuously say i don't think vivax will flip mafia and i am going to stay on MZ. Yet somehow Darthpunk (and mebaby) have somehow come to conclusion i almost lead a lynch on Vivax??? And now apparently Koshi is mafia??? Because DP voted wrong. It's pretty amazing to read this.

Darthpunk please don't go full Holyflare if youre town.

Hijole

Full holyflare

I am uncomfortable to use such bold truth. But, once spoken...

Even hypocrisy cannot stop my outspoken awe
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