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On July 28 2019 05:27 Eversince wrote: More so because someone else said they'd move over to Koshi if he got 1 more vote too. Changing lynch from Chez->Koshi I didn't know this as I wasn't caught up on thread at the time.
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Regardless of the lynch, i think a bunch of useful information is here in the thread now. lets try and sort it out tonight and tomorrow.
im self-censoring myself from TL for around 16 hours because I absolutely need to get work done and I spent too much time here tonight
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SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
THE HYDRA IS JUST SCUM EH
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Or I really did name the scumteam in my townread post lmao
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100 times fuck you HF.
I hope you are scum here but almost on basis of tone you feel town. We should have killed Koshi like I said to begin with.
-wherebugsgo
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Actually I think I want to lynch HF purely for saying we’d get info from Chez. That 100% never made sense.
Killing Koshi was the information play because of the straight up bizarre interactions he had with slam, HF, and a whole host of other players.
-wherebugsgo
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On July 28 2019 07:30 NoSmurfHere wrote: 100 times fuck you HF.
I hope you are scum here but almost on basis of tone you feel town. We should have killed Koshi like I said to begin with.
-wherebugsgo
I think it was a good play. Unfortunate we killed our cop.
To answer your question, no.
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As a non-participant in the crap that happened before deadline here are the important bits that I observed, after the fact:
1. Pandain comes off looking fairly townish. He uses sound logic to really push Koshi hard on sheeping slam and not having any original reads etc. and all of his points were good. Two players tag team on discrediting Pandain constantly to essentially hope it goes away but Pandain persisted and did not let up. These two players are Koshi himself, and somebody probably no one noticed, FF.
2. Reason #2 for Pandain looking more town is that simply as scum he had very little scum-motivated reason to try and push the lynch in the direction of Koshi, particularly if it was TvT, because he could’ve merely continued to do what he’s done most of the game and lurk or even just go along with killing Chezinu as Chezinu was scumread universally. Keep this in mind as there is another player who did indeed lurk and got away with it.
3. Koshi essentially openly flailed due to Pandain’s line of questioning. In fact pretty much Pandain’s questioning by itself caused Koshi to squirm because Koshi was never able to answer properly why he trusted slam so much. Koshi’s best response to shade Pandain was along the lines of “first you said I changed my reads and then when I said I had none you said that’s even worse and that’s scummy!” (Lol)
Pandain is 100% right that Koshi has no original reads this game and it’s something I pointed out yesterday as well.
4. Fecalfeast’s sole contribution throughout multiple pages was to shade Pandain and defend koshi from the sideline. Absolutely no actual reasons but he exposed himself really hard there on Koshi’s behalf and I have no idea why a town FF would do that instead of just evaluating the facts on face-value basis.
5. FF’s reaction post-flip is to gauge reactions of players as to “who next” rather than try to synthesize what the fuck just happened. Clearly not trying to figure out the game.
6. Slam was completely afk.
7. Branch is new and difficult to read, probably should read the newbie guide but it seems like people are already preemptively setting things up to push him tomorrow. As much as I think he’s an idiot for thinking we are scum, I really don’t think he’s the best lynch and I’m wary of anyone (particularly HF) who is moving toward pushing him now.
8. HF is a difficult read but there are nuggets of “I don’t know why a scum HF would do this” in his posts; the late wagon push is one of them, though he very well could be mafia with Koshi & slam due to how hard he argued with Koshi yesterday yet he townreads Koshi mysteriously. For me personally HF is back to a wait-and-see.
At this point, with the number of instances of straight hard defending between Koshi, FF, and slam, one of them must die tomorrow. I think they’re all good chances to flip scum but I’d probably put Koshi at the top right now.
Mafia reads:
Koshi FF Slam
Town reads:
Tube Eversince Pandain Meapak
Lean town: Branch Eywa
Null: Holyflare
-wherebugsgo
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NoSmurf,
Now that you know I’m not Mason, I don’t see how I can be your top town. We disagree on almost every read. Even philosophically I think we differ on nearly everything. We just don’t have any common ground.
I can’t wrap my head around it.
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On July 28 2019 08:39 Tubesock wrote: NoSmurf,
Now that you know I’m not Mason, I don’t see how I can be your top town. We disagree on almost every read. Even philosophically I think we differ on nearly everything. We just don’t have any common ground.
I can’t wrap my head around it.
You tell me. I actually don’t know how to read you atm. You do nothing but push us, but I guess such a strong tunnel is more townish than scummish. I just don’t understand why you think we’re scum when we’re one of 3, maybe 4 players actually trying to figure out the game (eversince, Meapak, and Pandain fall into this bucket for me)
I also have no idea what it means if you’re not mason. Mason AFKed day 1 and didn’t vote with rayn? That explains why he just rolled over and died but it’s so bad on so many levels. I guess that’s not surprising to me, but it sucks if all of our blues were essentially worthless this game. Now I’m wishing I had rolled blue instead because it happens so rarely
-wherebugsgo
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Well the fact I survived was a shock until it wasn’t.
TBH I would also have voted Chezinu if I had come back.
Whatever wig and Eversince are right so I guess if I must chose between dishonor and influence my very nature decides for me so i guess I will take advantage of dishonor and do whatever I damn well please
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On July 28 2019 08:14 NoSmurfHere wrote: As a non-participant in the crap that happened before deadline here are the important bits that I observed, after the fact:
1. Pandain comes off looking fairly townish. He uses sound logic to really push Koshi hard on sheeping slam and not having any original reads etc. and all of his points were good. Two players tag team on discrediting Pandain constantly to essentially hope it goes away but Pandain persisted and did not let up. These two players are Koshi himself, and somebody probably no one noticed, FF.
2. Reason #2 for Pandain looking more town is that simply as scum he had very little scum-motivated reason to try and push the lynch in the direction of Koshi, particularly if it was TvT, because he could’ve merely continued to do what he’s done most of the game and lurk or even just go along with killing Chezinu as Chezinu was scumread universally. Keep this in mind as there is another player who did indeed lurk and got away with it.
3. Koshi essentially openly flailed due to Pandain’s line of questioning. In fact pretty much Pandain’s questioning by itself caused Koshi to squirm because Koshi was never able to answer properly why he trusted slam so much. Koshi’s best response to shade Pandain was along the lines of “first you said I changed my reads and then when I said I had none you said that’s even worse and that’s scummy!” (Lol)
Pandain is 100% right that Koshi has no original reads this game and it’s something I pointed out yesterday as well.
4. Fecalfeast’s sole contribution throughout multiple pages was to shade Pandain and defend koshi from the sideline. Absolutely no actual reasons but he exposed himself really hard there on Koshi’s behalf and I have no idea why a town FF would do that instead of just evaluating the facts on face-value basis.
5. FF’s reaction post-flip is to gauge reactions of players as to “who next” rather than try to synthesize what the fuck just happened. Clearly not trying to figure out the game.
6. Slam was completely afk.
7. Branch is new and difficult to read, probably should read the newbie guide but it seems like people are already preemptively setting things up to push him tomorrow. As much as I think he’s an idiot for thinking we are scum, I really don’t think he’s the best lynch and I’m wary of anyone (particularly HF) who is moving toward pushing him now.
8. HF is a difficult read but there are nuggets of “I don’t know why a scum HF would do this” in his posts; the late wagon push is one of them, though he very well could be mafia with Koshi & slam due to how hard he argued with Koshi yesterday yet he townreads Koshi mysteriously. For me personally HF is back to a wait-and-see.
At this point, with the number of instances of straight hard defending between Koshi, FF, and slam, one of them must die tomorrow. I think they’re all good chances to flip scum but I’d probably put Koshi at the top right now.
Mafia reads:
Koshi FF Slam
Town reads:
Tube Eversince Pandain Meapak
Lean town: Branch Eywa
Null: Holyflare
-wherebugsgo Ahh close to the opposite of my reads. You must be town.
This game is hilarious.
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I am going to assume it is Pandain, Eversince and Meapak.
Good stuff.
I will sacrifice myself tomorrow so a new game can start.
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On July 28 2019 04:59 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2019 04:59 Branch.AUT wrote: Cutting it very close to deadline here. I dislike this Chezinu Lynch sinze it's 8/11 just bad. Voting him anyway because of town ??? With 0 information available on chezinu, and 11 players out of which 3 are mafia, a blind lynch into inactive has an 8/11 chance of being a town lynch.
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On July 28 2019 05:05 Fecalfeast wrote: so coag claimed scum post 1 as scum and branch is a super tryhard or what are we thinking here I don't know what you mean by tryhard. I think pushing my main scumread for lynching is baseline town play.
On July 28 2019 06:12 Fecalfeast wrote: SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
THE HYDRA IS JUST SCUM EH
I have gathered a few thoughts on this topic in my filter, feel free to browse.
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On July 28 2019 22:36 Branch.AUT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2019 04:59 Pandain wrote:On July 28 2019 04:59 Branch.AUT wrote: Cutting it very close to deadline here. I dislike this Chezinu Lynch sinze it's 8/11 just bad. Voting him anyway because of town ??? With 0 information available on chezinu, and 11 players out of which 3 are mafia, a blind lynch into inactive has an 8/11 chance of being a town lynch.
It's not a blind random lynch into an inactive though is it? If you've narrowed down players that you think are town the odds of him being mafia increase. He wasn't classified as super inactive either, he had posted things in the thread just none of it content (which, again, increases the odds of him being mafia).
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On July 28 2019 23:41 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2019 22:36 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 28 2019 04:59 Pandain wrote:On July 28 2019 04:59 Branch.AUT wrote: Cutting it very close to deadline here. I dislike this Chezinu Lynch sinze it's 8/11 just bad. Voting him anyway because of town ??? With 0 information available on chezinu, and 11 players out of which 3 are mafia, a blind lynch into inactive has an 8/11 chance of being a town lynch. It's not a blind random lynch into an inactive though is it? If you've narrowed down players that you think are town the odds of him being mafia increase. He wasn't classified as super inactive either, he had posted things in the thread just none of it content (which, again, increases the odds of him being mafia).
What’s your list looking like now? Are you actually ready to try and collaborate now or are you still gonna do your own thing and ignore everything I’m saying as you’ve always done?
We need to make some shortcuts now because we’re in a really bad situation, and one of the shortcuts I’m willing to make is to consider you town because we’re almost certainly not lynching you tomorrow, and if you’re scum we’ve lost the game already.
My scumreads:
Koshi FF slam
If wrong on one of those, then probably one or two of branch/eywa/tube
Mason in here somewhere:
Eversince Branch Slam (already denied it) Tube (already denied it)
Tell me what you’re thinking and with Jock here as well maybe we can figure out the game.
Whoever is mason please claim at the beginning of day 3 because there are two night kills on n3. Without that confirmed townie the game is way harder.
-wherebugsgo
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What if I told you I was rayn's partner but had to afk and didn't save him?
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