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Either that or he realized he actually had been ignoring my posts and he went and filtered me.
God protect his soul, that's not going anywhere good.
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guess who got sick on vacation like an idiot?
THIS IDIOT
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On May 26 2019 00:30 Conversion wrote:
guess who got sick on vacation like an idiot?
THIS IDIOT
At least you got to kick it with Slam.
Silver linings bro.
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On May 26 2019 00:24 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 00:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 25 2019 01:37 VisceraEyes wrote:I wish Artanis had responded to Jock's point about him scumreading Bugs for things that way more than Bugs are guilty of. :/ I mean he unvoted and voted iGrok and everything but....he said he'd address points against him and he just like....left.  I asked him at the time to point me to examples of what he meant and as far as I'm aware these haven't been presented yet. It's in my filter somewhere. Replying to Disfo maybe. Good luck
I can't find any examples in your filter whilst searching for Disfo.
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I literally can't my dude
I said yesterday I'm not really here this weekend
I've got maybe 10 minutes now and I'm on the shittest phone you've ever seen. Even reading the thread is giving me a headache. I'm back home tomorrow night but if you makesome posts that change my mind I'll check back in befoe eod
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On May 26 2019 00:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 00:15 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 26 2019 00:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 26 2019 00:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'm disappointed with artanis.
NO BREAD OR FISH FOR YOU until you do something useful. I've made plenty of reads and posted thoughts in the last 3 hours? It's mostly waiting for Calix and iGrok to return and I'm currently trying to get a better read on Disfo. Your reads are boring rehashes of stuff that other people already said. You don't have to defend yourself against me tho, I'm just a newbie and I'm not angry with you I just feel a little bit let down. I'm pretty sure I'm the first person to press Disfo as well as questioning WBG. I've brought up plenty of points that hadn't been made yet.
oh no you don't get back in line. You're going from 99.9% town to 99.8% for pushing Jock out of the way to buddy me here, buddy
On May 26 2019 00:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
LIKE ITS NO GWB NUKE SPREE, but I did kill BC.
That post ties directly to a BC read I made this game do you know in what way Bugs? Or were you actually ignoring my posts?
I HAVE made reads on people, and I HAVE taken stances. Will you admit to overblowing your case on me?
wut you talkin bout willis
I remember this:
lololol
BTW HF, remember this post you made from obs QT last game?
OMGUS on who? Bugs? His case was literally omgus on me from n1. He defended pandain hardcore for absolutely no reason and that's still the most activity he's put into this entire game and why did he make a town case on pandain? To counter my mafia case on Pandain - who does that as town? His town case didn't even counteract any of my points and then somehow after 100% town reading me and saying I was a town leader his case for calling me mafia is that I wasn't a town leader and I cherry picked cases.
bro. bro. bro.
I think we have to agree to disagree somewhere. Maybe we can both say we both have good points. I certainly think you have great points on iGrok  Just not enough of them sadly cause my Pandain-dar is tingly.
But you know I'm not really gonna Pandain iGrok here cause like I told VE earlier I ain't got no business saving him
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Art #3240 is about your very poor case on bugs
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On May 26 2019 00:32 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 00:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 26 2019 00:15 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 26 2019 00:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 26 2019 00:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'm disappointed with artanis.
NO BREAD OR FISH FOR YOU until you do something useful. I've made plenty of reads and posted thoughts in the last 3 hours? It's mostly waiting for Calix and iGrok to return and I'm currently trying to get a better read on Disfo. Your reads are boring rehashes of stuff that other people already said. You don't have to defend yourself against me tho, I'm just a newbie and I'm not angry with you I just feel a little bit let down. I'm pretty sure I'm the first person to press Disfo as well as questioning WBG. I've brought up plenty of points that hadn't been made yet. oh no you don't get back in line. You're going from 99.9% town to 99.8% for pushing Jock out of the way to buddy me here, buddy
I'm so confused, I'm trying to get Jock to townread me because I prefer not being lynched. Also, how am I buddying you in that post?
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On May 26 2019 00:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 00:23 disformation wrote:On May 26 2019 00:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 26 2019 00:14 disformation wrote:On May 26 2019 00:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 26 2019 00:02 disformation wrote:On May 25 2019 23:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 25 2019 23:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
Artanis I remember you being surprised at my name being an anagram this game, were you not around for those shenanigans
I actually literally made kurumi change my role PM flavour just so that I could whip out my claim. Then I think someone nuked my face I don't remember. On May 25 2019 23:51 disformation wrote:On May 25 2019 23:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 25 2019 23:28 disformation wrote:
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hmmm actualy not 100% sure.
would say looks better than grok/art/bc.
but imo calix looks better. Can you give me a list of reads? Townreads I don't care as much about, but I'd like an explanation for who you're scumreading and why. I'm mostly just seeing comments on things going on but I don't know what you think, other than apparently that you think me/igrok/bc are scum, which I find very odd given thread progression. fair enough. tldr version: lynch into: bc - scum for often not explaining his reads, working very omgus based, generally not doing much after d1 art - falling off super hard in quality after d1. E.g. the super rushed list stuff n1 and waffling off bc was really strange too. Esp. since he still believed in the meta read on bc to be true. grok - hidden notes, complaining and then gtfoing a bunch maybe scum conv - see earlier town lean calix - see earlier town jesus and the holy spirit jock Do you think it's really that likely I'm scum with the two people I've voted all game? Also, what puts iGrok ahead of being lynched instead of me? Also also, what do you think of WBG's point on Conversion being town for his meta cases and him backing off on being a dick, basically? dont think all 3 in my lynch list are scum. prolly 2 though. earlier: i liked your day 1, so you had some town points. now: one of you two is here doing stuff, the other is not. one of the meta dives conv did was on me, so that factors in on the read progression on me that i liked. mh. maybe i should give him more points for this kind of stuff and put him in town lean together with calix. dont think i want to lynch either of them today tbh. I find your progression strange. Day 1 you were onto BC with me. Day 2 you're now on iGrok with me, so we have had the same general reads. What in my quality specifically is bad to you and is it still true after today? i dont think im on igrok with you cause you made any good posts on igrok? quality: tldr: On May 24 2019 07:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I HAVE NO SCUMREADS Yes, that was before HF cased iGrok. Also, why does me stating I have no scumreads make me more scummy than towny? I've posted a ton since that post for you to re-eval off of. ah okay. havent fully factored in the posts of today in yet tbh. was kinda waiting for you to finish reading and wanted to see what you conclude from there. but yeah you coming in (thursday?) evening saying the meta read on bc is true, waffling off bugs, and then going "lol i have no scumread, cu" isnt what id exactly call high quality. another thing: in your n1 list you had calix scum lean. no mention of calix -> "i have no scumreads" sooo... yeah Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 20:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 24 2019 21:10 Calix wrote:On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise. I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia. In addition to what i have said about calix is this: On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote:
IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.
[...]
I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder. I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol... I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town. I tried killing you yesterday. It did nothing. Even if I make a case on you, people will say 'oh but his PC claim' or 'but his meta' and you will not die. I do not waste precious time on making a case on someone nobody wants dead. Especially when I could lynch my other scum-read instead. Anyway. I'm not sure how likely it is that iGrok and Artanis are both scum. If they were working together, I think they'd be trying to lynch me instead of...whatever the fuck it is they're doing. Artanis seemed pretty happy to have no scum-reads for ages until he sheeped HF's big post on iGrok [which was the vote that put iGrok in the lead btw].Meanwhile iGrok seems like he wants HF gone. [I say that but his response to HF did not read like he thought HF was mafia at all] Anyway I don't have much else to add. A lot of the recent pages could be cut out and it would not have changed my reads at all. I still think iGrok is WAY scummier than Artanis. The most feasible town motive people [I think BC?] came up with was that he makes notes and puts in effort but a lot of people have been doing that so I don't think that's really AI. I'm not sure on the third mafia. Probably in Artanis/ Koshi/ BC. Artanis is mafia if he doesn't step it up but I have enough doubt about him to not want him dead. Koshi is self-explanatory with his filter. BC's main selling point for him being town is the meta thing. I personally think he looks mafia but I could be misreading him because of our different playstyles so am willing to give him a chance. What? I was asleep/busy after not scumreading BC/WBG anymore, and you by proxy as the way you went about BC being a large part of my read on you. As soon as I came back to the thread I started reading his case and ended up scumreading him. Is this your main qualm on me? What was your read on me based on before yesterday? That's why Calix disappeared. Also, the meta read was one I had in a general sense and I still think it's true. I just acknowledged that this isn't how he's playing this game, ergo he's no longer a scumread. I'm not sure how that's difficult to understand.
ah fuck. didnt see that. nvm.
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Jock is the towniest town who ever towned on town and even though everyone else is also town in this game everyone who called him scum is scum + Show Spoiler +except maybe HF don't hurt me pls
hope that made sense.
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Well Artanis is horrible. Kill him.
If you kill iGrok and he flips town. My spirit will be broken.
I hope wbg is mafia because the dumb shit this guy types is .
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I'm ignoring bugs top at the moment but whatever his reasons this whole 'just wait until tomorrow, you'll see' thing that people keep doing makes me want to superglue my lips to a moving car
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Oh I get nothin. Nevermind then.
I'm referring to a read I made on BC. HF asked if there were any instances of BC being reasonable as scum to try and get a read this game. I said that in spite of killing him in an extraordinarily dumb fashion, he Masoned me in a later game and was super reasonable in IRC, though I couldn't speak to his thread demeanor.
It was one of several instances of me working productively with people you are calling town that aren't rayn/Koshi.
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I am out. Have some fun if possible
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On May 26 2019 00:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 00:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 26 2019 00:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 26 2019 00:15 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 26 2019 00:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 26 2019 00:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'm disappointed with artanis.
NO BREAD OR FISH FOR YOU until you do something useful. I've made plenty of reads and posted thoughts in the last 3 hours? It's mostly waiting for Calix and iGrok to return and I'm currently trying to get a better read on Disfo. Your reads are boring rehashes of stuff that other people already said. You don't have to defend yourself against me tho, I'm just a newbie and I'm not angry with you I just feel a little bit let down. I'm pretty sure I'm the first person to press Disfo as well as questioning WBG. I've brought up plenty of points that hadn't been made yet. oh no you don't get back in line. You're going from 99.9% town to 99.8% for pushing Jock out of the way to buddy me here, buddy I'm so confused, I'm trying to get Jock to townread me because I prefer not being lynched. Also, how am I buddying you in that post?
"i'm the first person to question WBG LOL"
said to Jock, literally captain of the WBG questioning squad
get outta here ok let me get outta here cause it's past my bedtime. Anyway you can get that tenth of a percent back if you want now cause you can question me anytime bb
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Ignoring his POSTS stupid phone.
Bugs it's because I don't have the time to waituntil tomorrow cos I'm trying to lynch scum here
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On May 26 2019 00:37 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 00:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 26 2019 00:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 26 2019 00:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 26 2019 00:15 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 26 2019 00:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 26 2019 00:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'm disappointed with artanis.
NO BREAD OR FISH FOR YOU until you do something useful. I've made plenty of reads and posted thoughts in the last 3 hours? It's mostly waiting for Calix and iGrok to return and I'm currently trying to get a better read on Disfo. Your reads are boring rehashes of stuff that other people already said. You don't have to defend yourself against me tho, I'm just a newbie and I'm not angry with you I just feel a little bit let down. I'm pretty sure I'm the first person to press Disfo as well as questioning WBG. I've brought up plenty of points that hadn't been made yet. oh no you don't get back in line. You're going from 99.9% town to 99.8% for pushing Jock out of the way to buddy me here, buddy I'm so confused, I'm trying to get Jock to townread me because I prefer not being lynched. Also, how am I buddying you in that post? "i'm the first person to question WBG LOL" said to Jock, literally captain of the WBG questioning squad get outta here ok let me get outta here cause it's past my bedtime. Anyway you can get that tenth of a percent back if you want now cause you can question me anytime bb
omg leave me hanging much
Bugs what's your read on me?
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On May 26 2019 00:36 Koshi wrote:
Well Artanis is horrible. Kill him.
I dont really know what Artanis is doing rn if he is mafia.
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Like fmp I've utterly decimated your entire case on me, but I know you don't think that. Are you at least willing to concede that you might be wrong and that your case is at the very least overblown?
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On May 24 2019 23:13 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 04:49 disformation wrote:bc
edited version of arts case: (i removed 3 and added stuff to 5) On May 22 2019 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:1. Shitty entrance: On May 20 2019 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:BC is on my radar. On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.
As I am just finishing the catch up so far.
Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.
Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. A lot of posturing in here, as well as a strawman. HF fakeclaiming has nothing to do with claiming a wrong name for a role. The two situations are incomparable. Also, what is he actually accomplishing with this? He's making a general statement without bothering to follow up on who transgressed in the way he mentioned. "Anyone who liked HF for his claim comments should want to kill HF instead". What? And then anyone who liked him for things after is in the clear? When did we suddenly switch from talking about HF's alignment to the alignment of these unnamed players? Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. Speaking of thread sentiment, how about piling onto a post everyone's already piled up on? Seems like a good strategy. He's being wordy on a post people have already gone into detail about. Pretty easy. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far. Says basically nothing. Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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No plan. I just thought it would be fun. So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead? That's really the line you're going with lol? Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do... I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too. Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy. In this quote thread, BC comes out with the following reads on people listed: Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum And no read on me. If everyone's nullish, what could possibly be interesting on this streak that he wants to get reads on others off on? I don't get it. 2. Shitty followup as shown by RuX: On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote:On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 20 2019 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from. From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment? Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight. In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could. Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing. So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me. Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up. So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation. I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis. Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again rayn voted: D1 - mafia bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real. gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first. On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. 4. Scumreads almost exclusively on people scumreading him: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
All of these other than VE which he just pulled out of his ass for no reason are people who scumread or threw shade on him. 5. Speaking of VE, he mentioned he was going to filter him, then decides not to share anything about his scumread, just votes VE based off a fear read and fucks off talking about other people without pushing his preferred lynch at all. On May 21 2019 21:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 21 2019 21:01 Calix wrote:
I don't understand why VE is being considered over rayn. At least VE's actually playing the game.
A bunch of the points against VE seem to be meta-based, or based around 'well he'd usually do this but he's doing that instead' or something, and since I don't know VE, these points don't have much credibility with me tbh. TBH, its a vibe thing. I get completely why you think Rayn could flip red. I honestly can see it. I can also see the same world where VE is red atm as well. Of those 2 VE scares the shit out of me if hes scum. He is one of the few players who can live almost forever when hes not town. Pls kill. additions: 1. falling off as the game progresses 2. reads go unexplained On May 24 2019 04:32 disformation wrote:did bc explain his koshi stuff? does not really explain why koshi i scummy On May 22 2019 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also based on the last few pages alone
Koshi, Artanis, Ruxxar, Disinformation are all good targets for lynches, dt checks and vig bullets.
VE feels better after seeing everything since I came back. koshi town now: On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
no mention of koshi in between or after... 3. reads grok town for some very bleh posts: On May 24 2019 04:41 disformation wrote:bc's defense on grok is also pretty eh? On May 23 2019 20:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 23 2019 20:05 Calix wrote:On May 23 2019 20:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Once he returned to the thread (after the first his flight) He has been fairly active in the thread. At least by say, my standards.
Like, I am clearly able of being wrong given HF last game and ruxxar this game. But I just don't see Igrok as scum at this moment. His activity is similar to my own (so if that means im scum go for it) and he looks to be trying to figure out the game.
Not going to judge igrok for that sentiment though if we arent going to also damn every other player who has borderline rage quit the game for similar behaviour. I don't understand this post. Nobody is scum-reading you or iGrok based on activity yet most of this post talks about activity like it's AI. As for the only thing in this post that would actually be AI, can you point us to the 'figuring out the game' posts iGrok has, in your opinion, made? Do you even read the thread? VE literally just used the reason of "complained about thread and fucked off" As for posts On May 21 2019 16:31 iGrok wrote:
Man, I'm out of practice. I really want to feel like calix is mafia, but I can tell if its because she is making bad aggro on me and I'm overreacting.
It doesn't help that I have no idea how good/bad/experienced calix is. My initial key moments for her were:
Calix
HF / Jock good, rayn bad, wbg probably good
-Honestly really basic post. easy to make if less experienced scum
stop calling me scum for sheeping, I'm gonna keep sheeping because reasons
Its a fucking VE / rayn conspiracy
Total reversal, VE/dis good, conv/rux bad
BC is scummy because he's... drawing attention away from me... by bringing me up when other lurkers are being focused more?
Only positive thing I know about calix right now is that I like her playstyle. Periodic summaries - its what I typically tried to do as well.
But like I said, I'm self-aware enough to realize that I may just be reacting incorrectly. Thoughts? On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote:
alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday.
And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day.
Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there.
Some hidden thought counts for future use:
BC:1
WBG:2
HF:2
VE:4
Rux:1
Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it. On May 22 2019 01:02 iGrok wrote:
Frankly the HF turn on Jock feels scummy, like pushing an easy lynch. Honestly HF's filter looks like trash, with one or two exceptions On May 22 2019 04:36 iGrok wrote:
@VE I've been away for a while but my read on rayn fits perfectly with my memory of him. I thought you had caught onto it earlier, said as much too, but I guess not?
Rayn's early game felt completely like read-generation material. The bad VT claim, the aggression, the obvious fake claim (which almost everyone ignored, so... either good job to everyone for not buying it or horrible job for not even noticing it) - he did oversell it later, made it more obvious but like...
He called HF on some nonsense, decided he had found some mafia and stopped playing as someone said - but honestly that is such a rayn thing to do from my memory. On May 22 2019 08:35 iGrok wrote:
@Calix, you obviously can't read me or don't want to. You're throwing a bunch of extra implications into my statement.
"If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux." does not mean "I want to vote rux". Give me a fucking break.
I took my vote off you despite knowing that my having put the earlier vote on you would probably be the tiebreaker for the lynch. I did this because I'm just trying to figure the game out, realized I had made a mistake, and fucking owned up to it instead of rolling on ahead ignoring everyone else.
That being said, I'm not a village idiot, I don't want to die today, and I know that I'm at least as likely to be town as BC/Rux because, from my perspective, I'm 100% town. So if that's what it comes down to, yeah I'll vote for either of them in a heartbeat. like i think hf had some posts that the notes on calix werent very good and the "oh i have notes on ppl, for example someone should look at this post by ruxxar i forgot why i noted it down" post was bit strange as well. i mean im glad he mentioned it so i could dig it out, but i would have a better read on grok if he would have said if its supposed to be a scummy/towny post by ruxxar. rest of the grok quotes seem okay, but the first two posts by grok are not that inductive of a tr on him imo
verdict: high chance of scum detected OK Some of artanis' points on BC aren't very good imo. He talks about his shitty entrance which doesn't look bad to me... makes a quote thread in which there are no scumreads and points that out despite the fact that BC had made scumreads elsewhere by that point (this is quite damning of artanis imo --- unless I'm reading it wrong, that quote thread is a nightmare to sort out for some reason) Claims BC exclusively scumreads people who scumread him.... however BC's first scumread was calix who hadn't scumread him. He comes back to Calix later as you would expect considering early game he said one of Ruxxar/Calix was scum. This is a sensible read progression that is very townie looking. Additions: 1: In End of the World Party I don't remember him falling off as the game progressed but he posted quite sporadically and in a way that's a bit reminiscent of how he's posting here. Long gaps of no posts and then you don't know which BC you're going to get when he does turn up. Its not a full mafia tell though its just him behaving in a similar way in two games. I don't have much meta information on him. 2: He says Koshi is a good target for a lynch but never explains this or scumreads him. He later avoids answering a question about this saying "I never scumread him" but doesn't explain at any point why he's a good target for a lynch. That doesn't look good. 3: Reads iGrock as town. iGrock was looking fairly townie or null to me at that point too. He looks much, much worse since he came back and failed to answer hf's points properly. I don't know how this is particularly alignment indicative because quite a few people were null-town on iGrock at this point and it tracks with his other reads. All in all Im null on BC. Some townie stuff, some mafia looking stuff but the townie stuff is strong enough that I'm not going to go after him.
You're right in that BC went after Calix before Calix did on him, but this was part of my other point - BC following thread sentiment. BC also continued to go after Calix when she returned to scumread him. The point is that all his scumreads either followed thread sentiment or were people that he went after.
As for the meta, I already acknowledged that this was wrong which was why I re-evaled.
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