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So sorry art I meant this post.
This is why I didn't wanna post today I can't do shit on this fucking waste of space phone FML
I'm trying to work with you.
Honestly I want you to look town so I can vote iGrok and confirm hf.
On May 24 2019 03:27 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 03:20 Conversion wrote:artanis is giving me great conflict. generally his entire filter looked good to me. the only thing about this is I don't QUITE particularly think BC was being aggressive, except to Artanis himself. so I don't quite get this "BC was super duper aggressive, but then chilled out" as a switch reason. + Show Spoiler +On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts: Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well. The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game. The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best. As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied: Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false. Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia." Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC: Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Makes an incorrect statement. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me insteadLastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 23 2019 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE. I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him. I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG. Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you. If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it. "Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed. Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines. ##Vote wherebugsgo the second thing is his bugs read, but that's mostly because I townread bugs and I don't think his argument was a good one. mmmmmmmh he's definitely looks less towny than BC to me right now That bugs read barely makes sense to me. In what world are townies open and given to quickly admitting their errors and mafia are defensive and closed? Positive character traits don't make you townie and negative ones don't make you mafia. It looks pretty much like he started with the reads and tried to justify them afterwards.
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On May 26 2019 00:34 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 00:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 26 2019 00:23 disformation wrote:On May 26 2019 00:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 26 2019 00:14 disformation wrote:On May 26 2019 00:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 26 2019 00:02 disformation wrote:On May 25 2019 23:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 25 2019 23:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
Artanis I remember you being surprised at my name being an anagram this game, were you not around for those shenanigans
I actually literally made kurumi change my role PM flavour just so that I could whip out my claim. Then I think someone nuked my face I don't remember. On May 25 2019 23:51 disformation wrote:On May 25 2019 23:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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Can you give me a list of reads? Townreads I don't care as much about, but I'd like an explanation for who you're scumreading and why. I'm mostly just seeing comments on things going on but I don't know what you think, other than apparently that you think me/igrok/bc are scum, which I find very odd given thread progression. fair enough. tldr version: lynch into: bc - scum for often not explaining his reads, working very omgus based, generally not doing much after d1 art - falling off super hard in quality after d1. E.g. the super rushed list stuff n1 and waffling off bc was really strange too. Esp. since he still believed in the meta read on bc to be true. grok - hidden notes, complaining and then gtfoing a bunch maybe scum conv - see earlier town lean calix - see earlier town jesus and the holy spirit jock Do you think it's really that likely I'm scum with the two people I've voted all game? Also, what puts iGrok ahead of being lynched instead of me? Also also, what do you think of WBG's point on Conversion being town for his meta cases and him backing off on being a dick, basically? dont think all 3 in my lynch list are scum. prolly 2 though. earlier: i liked your day 1, so you had some town points. now: one of you two is here doing stuff, the other is not. one of the meta dives conv did was on me, so that factors in on the read progression on me that i liked. mh. maybe i should give him more points for this kind of stuff and put him in town lean together with calix. dont think i want to lynch either of them today tbh. I find your progression strange. Day 1 you were onto BC with me. Day 2 you're now on iGrok with me, so we have had the same general reads. What in my quality specifically is bad to you and is it still true after today? i dont think im on igrok with you cause you made any good posts on igrok? quality: tldr: On May 24 2019 07:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I HAVE NO SCUMREADS Yes, that was before HF cased iGrok. Also, why does me stating I have no scumreads make me more scummy than towny? I've posted a ton since that post for you to re-eval off of. ah okay. havent fully factored in the posts of today in yet tbh. was kinda waiting for you to finish reading and wanted to see what you conclude from there. but yeah you coming in (thursday?) evening saying the meta read on bc is true, waffling off bugs, and then going "lol i have no scumread, cu" isnt what id exactly call high quality. another thing: in your n1 list you had calix scum lean. no mention of calix -> "i have no scumreads" sooo... yeah On May 25 2019 20:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 24 2019 21:10 Calix wrote:On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise. I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia. In addition to what i have said about calix is this: On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote:
IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.
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I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder. I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol... I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town. I tried killing you yesterday. It did nothing. Even if I make a case on you, people will say 'oh but his PC claim' or 'but his meta' and you will not die. I do not waste precious time on making a case on someone nobody wants dead. Especially when I could lynch my other scum-read instead. Anyway. I'm not sure how likely it is that iGrok and Artanis are both scum. If they were working together, I think they'd be trying to lynch me instead of...whatever the fuck it is they're doing. Artanis seemed pretty happy to have no scum-reads for ages until he sheeped HF's big post on iGrok [which was the vote that put iGrok in the lead btw].Meanwhile iGrok seems like he wants HF gone. [I say that but his response to HF did not read like he thought HF was mafia at all] Anyway I don't have much else to add. A lot of the recent pages could be cut out and it would not have changed my reads at all. I still think iGrok is WAY scummier than Artanis. The most feasible town motive people [I think BC?] came up with was that he makes notes and puts in effort but a lot of people have been doing that so I don't think that's really AI. I'm not sure on the third mafia. Probably in Artanis/ Koshi/ BC. Artanis is mafia if he doesn't step it up but I have enough doubt about him to not want him dead. Koshi is self-explanatory with his filter. BC's main selling point for him being town is the meta thing. I personally think he looks mafia but I could be misreading him because of our different playstyles so am willing to give him a chance. What? I was asleep/busy after not scumreading BC/WBG anymore, and you by proxy as the way you went about BC being a large part of my read on you. As soon as I came back to the thread I started reading his case and ended up scumreading him. Is this your main qualm on me? What was your read on me based on before yesterday? That's why Calix disappeared. Also, the meta read was one I had in a general sense and I still think it's true. I just acknowledged that this isn't how he's playing this game, ergo he's no longer a scumread. I'm not sure how that's difficult to understand. ah fuck. didnt see that. nvm.
So can you re-eval me now? I'm not going to be in here for much longer. I'll check back later tonight but I'd rather not spend all my free time playing mafia. Hopefully iGrok and Calix will have returned by then to answer my questions, and if I can get some more reasoning out of you that'd be swell.
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On May 26 2019 00:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 00:34 disformation wrote:On May 26 2019 00:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 26 2019 00:23 disformation wrote:On May 26 2019 00:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 26 2019 00:14 disformation wrote:On May 26 2019 00:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 26 2019 00:02 disformation wrote:On May 25 2019 23:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 25 2019 23:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
Artanis I remember you being surprised at my name being an anagram this game, were you not around for those shenanigans
I actually literally made kurumi change my role PM flavour just so that I could whip out my claim. Then I think someone nuked my face I don't remember. On May 25 2019 23:51 disformation wrote:
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fair enough. tldr version:
lynch into:
bc - scum for often not explaining his reads, working very omgus based, generally not doing much after d1
art - falling off super hard in quality after d1. E.g. the super rushed list stuff n1 and waffling off bc was really strange too. Esp. since he still believed in the meta read on bc to be true.
grok - hidden notes, complaining and then gtfoing a bunch
maybe scum
conv - see earlier
town lean
calix - see earlier
town jesus and the holy spirit
jock
Do you think it's really that likely I'm scum with the two people I've voted all game? Also, what puts iGrok ahead of being lynched instead of me? Also also, what do you think of WBG's point on Conversion being town for his meta cases and him backing off on being a dick, basically? dont think all 3 in my lynch list are scum. prolly 2 though. earlier: i liked your day 1, so you had some town points. now: one of you two is here doing stuff, the other is not. one of the meta dives conv did was on me, so that factors in on the read progression on me that i liked. mh. maybe i should give him more points for this kind of stuff and put him in town lean together with calix. dont think i want to lynch either of them today tbh. I find your progression strange. Day 1 you were onto BC with me. Day 2 you're now on iGrok with me, so we have had the same general reads. What in my quality specifically is bad to you and is it still true after today? i dont think im on igrok with you cause you made any good posts on igrok? quality: tldr: On May 24 2019 07:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I HAVE NO SCUMREADS Yes, that was before HF cased iGrok. Also, why does me stating I have no scumreads make me more scummy than towny? I've posted a ton since that post for you to re-eval off of. ah okay. havent fully factored in the posts of today in yet tbh. was kinda waiting for you to finish reading and wanted to see what you conclude from there. but yeah you coming in (thursday?) evening saying the meta read on bc is true, waffling off bugs, and then going "lol i have no scumread, cu" isnt what id exactly call high quality. another thing: in your n1 list you had calix scum lean. no mention of calix -> "i have no scumreads" sooo... yeah On May 25 2019 20:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 24 2019 21:10 Calix wrote:On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise. I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia. In addition to what i have said about calix is this: On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote:
IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.
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I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder. I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol... I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town. I tried killing you yesterday. It did nothing. Even if I make a case on you, people will say 'oh but his PC claim' or 'but his meta' and you will not die. I do not waste precious time on making a case on someone nobody wants dead. Especially when I could lynch my other scum-read instead. Anyway. I'm not sure how likely it is that iGrok and Artanis are both scum. If they were working together, I think they'd be trying to lynch me instead of...whatever the fuck it is they're doing. Artanis seemed pretty happy to have no scum-reads for ages until he sheeped HF's big post on iGrok [which was the vote that put iGrok in the lead btw].Meanwhile iGrok seems like he wants HF gone. [I say that but his response to HF did not read like he thought HF was mafia at all] Anyway I don't have much else to add. A lot of the recent pages could be cut out and it would not have changed my reads at all. I still think iGrok is WAY scummier than Artanis. The most feasible town motive people [I think BC?] came up with was that he makes notes and puts in effort but a lot of people have been doing that so I don't think that's really AI. I'm not sure on the third mafia. Probably in Artanis/ Koshi/ BC. Artanis is mafia if he doesn't step it up but I have enough doubt about him to not want him dead. Koshi is self-explanatory with his filter. BC's main selling point for him being town is the meta thing. I personally think he looks mafia but I could be misreading him because of our different playstyles so am willing to give him a chance. What? I was asleep/busy after not scumreading BC/WBG anymore, and you by proxy as the way you went about BC being a large part of my read on you. As soon as I came back to the thread I started reading his case and ended up scumreading him. Is this your main qualm on me? What was your read on me based on before yesterday? That's why Calix disappeared. Also, the meta read was one I had in a general sense and I still think it's true. I just acknowledged that this isn't how he's playing this game, ergo he's no longer a scumread. I'm not sure how that's difficult to understand. ah fuck. didnt see that. nvm. So can you re-eval me now? I'm not going to be in here for much longer. I'll check back later tonight but I'd rather not spend all my free time playing mafia. Hopefully iGrok and Calix will have returned by then to answer my questions, and if I can get some more reasoning out of you that'd be swell.
This is where I'm at too - I want to leave, but I don't want to leave if Bugs is still here and thinks I'm mafia. I'd rather not play mafia all day but I will if I have to god damnit, and now it looks like Bugs is already gone 
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On May 26 2019 00:48 Jockmcplop wrote:So sorry art I meant this post. This is why I didn't wanna post today I can't do shit on this fucking waste of space phone FML I'm trying to work with you. Honestly I want you to look town so I can vote iGrok and confirm hf. Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 03:27 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 24 2019 03:20 Conversion wrote:artanis is giving me great conflict. generally his entire filter looked good to me. the only thing about this is I don't QUITE particularly think BC was being aggressive, except to Artanis himself. so I don't quite get this "BC was super duper aggressive, but then chilled out" as a switch reason. + Show Spoiler +On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts: Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.
As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.
No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.
Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.
Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.
Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.
As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.
That leaves everyone else.
There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.
the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.
I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.
Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.
Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.
That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well. The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game. The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best. As for why WBG: Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied: Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false. Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia." Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC: Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first
or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around
ok w/e. Too much thinking.
Makes an incorrect statement. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.
I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.
I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me insteadLastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement. Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 23 2019 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look: On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.
Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.
If hes not who we decide to lynch.
At this point id still be down for
Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.
I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities
He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE. I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him. I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious. Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction. I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG. Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you. If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it. "Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!" The focus is much more defensive and closed. Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines. ##Vote wherebugsgo the second thing is his bugs read, but that's mostly because I townread bugs and I don't think his argument was a good one. mmmmmmmh he's definitely looks less towny than BC to me right now That bugs read barely makes sense to me. In what world are townies open and given to quickly admitting their errors and mafia are defensive and closed? Positive character traits don't make you townie and negative ones don't make you mafia. It looks pretty much like he started with the reads and tried to justify them afterwards.
The prime motivation of mafia in posting in the thread is looking good. You want what you say in thread to make sense. As Town, your prime motivation is finding out the alignment of others. When you make an assumption that turns out to be false, as town you're more likely to just throw everything away and start anew and own up to your shit. As mafia you don't want to make a faux pas, so you try and justify what you did in whatever way possible. This is why I found HF's reaction so townie and WBG scummy.
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For reference, that's also how I judged Rayn's role PM claim early in the day:
On May 19 2019 21:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 21:05 Holyflare wrote:On May 19 2019 21:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 19 2019 20:56 Holyflare wrote:On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM. I was hoping someone else would be around ??????????????????? Rayn's post was BEFORE the host cleared it up how the fuck is it NAI? He either got a pm saying he was town vanilla which is absolutely not the case because it's not that or he doesn't know what the fuck the role even was called I'm talking about you pressuring rayn on it rather than rayns comment itself hombre On May 19 2019 19:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also HF's point on Rayn is NAI as the host had already cleared it up by then. Bugs giving HF easy towncred on that grants him some free scumpointsTM. I was hoping someone else would be around What exactly is your stance on the Rayn post? QUOTE] On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it? No plan. I just thought it would be fun. I'm quite fine with it.
On May 19 2019 21:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
To elaborate, I expected scum rayn to claim he could catch scum out by them saying their role pm wrong/be defensive. I expect town rayn to either have an elaborate plan to catch people jumping on people on it and jumpstart the thread, or precisely doing what he did. He's not trying to look good or manipulate so I think he's townish for now.
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And now I'm out for real.
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But dude no. It doesn't make sense.
Mafia prime motivation is to look good? I thought it was to survive ie look town, not look good.
Hf basically accepted that this interaction was him not having time and not being bothered to play properly. That's whatsticks out as town to you compared to bug's reaction here.
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On May 26 2019 00:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 00:34 disformation wrote:On May 26 2019 00:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 26 2019 00:23 disformation wrote:On May 26 2019 00:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 26 2019 00:14 disformation wrote:On May 26 2019 00:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 26 2019 00:02 disformation wrote:On May 25 2019 23:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 25 2019 23:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
Artanis I remember you being surprised at my name being an anagram this game, were you not around for those shenanigans
I actually literally made kurumi change my role PM flavour just so that I could whip out my claim. Then I think someone nuked my face I don't remember. On May 25 2019 23:51 disformation wrote:
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fair enough. tldr version:
lynch into:
bc - scum for often not explaining his reads, working very omgus based, generally not doing much after d1
art - falling off super hard in quality after d1. E.g. the super rushed list stuff n1 and waffling off bc was really strange too. Esp. since he still believed in the meta read on bc to be true.
grok - hidden notes, complaining and then gtfoing a bunch
maybe scum
conv - see earlier
town lean
calix - see earlier
town jesus and the holy spirit
jock
Do you think it's really that likely I'm scum with the two people I've voted all game? Also, what puts iGrok ahead of being lynched instead of me? Also also, what do you think of WBG's point on Conversion being town for his meta cases and him backing off on being a dick, basically? dont think all 3 in my lynch list are scum. prolly 2 though. earlier: i liked your day 1, so you had some town points. now: one of you two is here doing stuff, the other is not. one of the meta dives conv did was on me, so that factors in on the read progression on me that i liked. mh. maybe i should give him more points for this kind of stuff and put him in town lean together with calix. dont think i want to lynch either of them today tbh. I find your progression strange. Day 1 you were onto BC with me. Day 2 you're now on iGrok with me, so we have had the same general reads. What in my quality specifically is bad to you and is it still true after today? i dont think im on igrok with you cause you made any good posts on igrok? quality: tldr: On May 24 2019 07:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I HAVE NO SCUMREADS Yes, that was before HF cased iGrok. Also, why does me stating I have no scumreads make me more scummy than towny? I've posted a ton since that post for you to re-eval off of. ah okay. havent fully factored in the posts of today in yet tbh. was kinda waiting for you to finish reading and wanted to see what you conclude from there. but yeah you coming in (thursday?) evening saying the meta read on bc is true, waffling off bugs, and then going "lol i have no scumread, cu" isnt what id exactly call high quality. another thing: in your n1 list you had calix scum lean. no mention of calix -> "i have no scumreads" sooo... yeah On May 25 2019 20:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 24 2019 21:10 Calix wrote:On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise. I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia. In addition to what i have said about calix is this: On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote:
IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.
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I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder. I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol... I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town. I tried killing you yesterday. It did nothing. Even if I make a case on you, people will say 'oh but his PC claim' or 'but his meta' and you will not die. I do not waste precious time on making a case on someone nobody wants dead. Especially when I could lynch my other scum-read instead. Anyway. I'm not sure how likely it is that iGrok and Artanis are both scum. If they were working together, I think they'd be trying to lynch me instead of...whatever the fuck it is they're doing. Artanis seemed pretty happy to have no scum-reads for ages until he sheeped HF's big post on iGrok [which was the vote that put iGrok in the lead btw].Meanwhile iGrok seems like he wants HF gone. [I say that but his response to HF did not read like he thought HF was mafia at all] Anyway I don't have much else to add. A lot of the recent pages could be cut out and it would not have changed my reads at all. I still think iGrok is WAY scummier than Artanis. The most feasible town motive people [I think BC?] came up with was that he makes notes and puts in effort but a lot of people have been doing that so I don't think that's really AI. I'm not sure on the third mafia. Probably in Artanis/ Koshi/ BC. Artanis is mafia if he doesn't step it up but I have enough doubt about him to not want him dead. Koshi is self-explanatory with his filter. BC's main selling point for him being town is the meta thing. I personally think he looks mafia but I could be misreading him because of our different playstyles so am willing to give him a chance. What? I was asleep/busy after not scumreading BC/WBG anymore, and you by proxy as the way you went about BC being a large part of my read on you. As soon as I came back to the thread I started reading his case and ended up scumreading him. Is this your main qualm on me? What was your read on me based on before yesterday? That's why Calix disappeared. Also, the meta read was one I had in a general sense and I still think it's true. I just acknowledged that this isn't how he's playing this game, ergo he's no longer a scumread. I'm not sure how that's difficult to understand. ah fuck. didnt see that. nvm. So can you re-eval me now? I'm not going to be in here for much longer. I'll check back later tonight but I'd rather not spend all my free time playing mafia. Hopefully iGrok and Calix will have returned by then to answer my questions, and if I can get some more reasoning out of you that'd be swell.
i kinda was hoping for a bit of a conclusion or a few more reads before reevaling tbh.
where are you currently on bc?
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That was the best bit of my argument and he left.
Poor artanis
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I'm very underwhelmed with artanis
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On May 26 2019 00:59 Holyflare wrote:
I'm very underwhelmed with artanis
Right???
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On May 26 2019 00:59 Holyflare wrote:
I'm very underwhelmed with artanis
Agree. Lots of blendy "oh I already did all this already" scummy posts. Maybe I just think he's mafia and I see what I want to see, but he didn't seem particularly townie while he was here.
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On May 26 2019 01:01 VisceraEyes wrote:Agree. Lots of blendy "oh I already did all this already" scummy posts. Maybe I just think he's mafia and I see what I want to see, but he didn't seem particularly townie while he was here.
at what point do we excuse Artanis' points on lack of time vs. flailing mafia? I think a lot of people want to SEE a great player in Artanis, but it's just not coming (I don't think I ever played with Artanis, so not sure. I usually believe the vets when they say X is a good player though)
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On May 26 2019 01:04 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 01:01 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 26 2019 00:59 Holyflare wrote:
I'm very underwhelmed with artanis Agree. Lots of blendy "oh I already did all this already" scummy posts. Maybe I just think he's mafia and I see what I want to see, but he didn't seem particularly townie while he was here. at what point do we excuse Artanis' points on lack of time vs. flailing mafia? I think a lot of people want to SEE a great player in Artanis, but it's just not coming (I don't think I ever played with Artanis, so not sure. I usually believe the vets when they say X is a good player though)
I mean, idk. He's one of the leading wagons and he's next up if he's not lynched today afaik. He's been talking about time constraints all game and it keeps not being convincing. *shrug*
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Although I could be convinced to lynch Calix with rayn. HF what say you about Calix?
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On May 26 2019 01:05 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2019 01:04 Conversion wrote:On May 26 2019 01:01 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 26 2019 00:59 Holyflare wrote:
I'm very underwhelmed with artanis Agree. Lots of blendy "oh I already did all this already" scummy posts. Maybe I just think he's mafia and I see what I want to see, but he didn't seem particularly townie while he was here. at what point do we excuse Artanis' points on lack of time vs. flailing mafia? I think a lot of people want to SEE a great player in Artanis, but it's just not coming (I don't think I ever played with Artanis, so not sure. I usually believe the vets when they say X is a good player though) I mean, idk. He's one of the leading wagons and he's next up if he's not lynched today afaik. He's been talking about time constraints all game and it keeps not being convincing. *shrug*
i mean at some point you are going to have to consider that both alignments can be fucked over by time constraints. normally best way to do is to see what the people do with their limited time (bc: not much).
so im not sure what art really tried to do with his time here?
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Can I get past the BC meta read Artanis made? I dunno lol. I can't believe Artanis thought BC's posts were even aggro to make a case? Kinda unbelievable?
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On May 26 2019 01:08 Holyflare wrote:
Can I get past the BC meta read Artanis made? I dunno lol. I can't believe Artanis thought BC's posts were even aggro to make a case? Kinda unbelievable?
I thought that too, especially towards Artanis.
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On May 26 2019 01:08 Holyflare wrote:
Can I get past the BC meta read Artanis made? I dunno lol. I can't believe Artanis thought BC's posts were even aggro to make a case? Kinda unbelievable?
He thought low effort no time hf weakly and immediately folding on a read looked townie and that bugs doing what he does as town every single time looked scum?
I don't think he really though that tho.
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