EPTNow the real challenge begin though, time to out-drink Ogaming crew.
[Nationwars V] Semi Finals + Grand Final - Page 50
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
Now the real challenge begin though, time to out-drink Ogaming crew. | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On April 23 2018 05:19 showstealer1829 wrote: soO: "So this is what a winner's trophy looks like...." He won kespa cup. | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
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mierin
United States4942 Posts
On April 23 2018 04:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote: The better question would be if sOs would have won a game. This might be an example of me failing to understand internet speak, but i was being 100% sarcastic  | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
He was also part of championship winning teams in team leagues. | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
i feel like people overlook the fact that at elite levels having "good macro" is the exact same thing as multitasking, lol. people just throw around the word "macro" like it's some kind of overall player quality score | ||
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xelnaga_empire
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xelnaga_empire
620 Posts
On April 23 2018 03:27 Fango wrote: If you think Harstem is as close to the pinnacle of toss as Inno is to terran then I don't know what to say. Harstem is a mid tier foreign protoss. Inno is the second best korean terran. No mid-tier foreign zerg or terran should take out a top 2 korean terran (or zerg/protoss for that matter). I agree. Innovation is arguably the best SC2 player ever and last year, he was the best Terran player against Protoss. Suddenly, this year, he is horrible against Protoss. Something changed this year and I don't think it's Innovation. At least Blizzard recognizes TvsP favors Protoss now. BTW, in the last game, Innovation rushed Harstem before Harstem got to 3 bases. As Demuslim has said, once Protoss gets to 3 bases in a straight up game, Terran is at disadvantage. In the last game, Innovation did to Harstem what Maru did to Stats - don't play Protoss in a straight up game and rush/cheese Protoss before they get to 3 bases. | ||
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orvinreyes
577 Posts
On April 23 2018 13:33 xelnaga_empire wrote: I agree. Innovation is arguably the best SC2 player ever and last year, he was the best Terran player against Protoss. Suddenly, this year, he is horrible against Protoss. Something changed this year and I don't think it's Innovation. At least Blizzard recognizes TvsP favors Protoss now. BTW, in the last game, Innovation rushed Harstem before Harstem got to 3 bases. As Demuslim has said, once Protoss gets to 3 bases in a straight up game, Terran is at disadvantage. In the last game, Innovation did to Harstem what Maru did to Stats - don't play Protoss in a straight up game and rush/cheese Protoss before they get to 3 bases. Terran needs something for TvP lategame.... BC and Thor buffs? Raven spells? They can't just allow the TvP meta to get stuck at "kill the protoss before third!" | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On April 23 2018 11:03 juicyjames wrote: Any recommended matches? Harstem vs Cham, Harstem hold like a boss a mass roach attack (even if zergs will be salty about warp prism micro xD) soO vs Zhugeliang gave us the hope that Zhuge will beat soO but then he missmicroed into ravager bills, so idk INnovation's first 4 games against Netherlands were really "clean" from his part, but maybe not enough back and fourth. His loss against harstem was good to see as he really tried his to hold and come back but Harstem didnt' wen full foreigner and controlled the pace of the game. 6th game was quite a stomp. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15827 Posts
On April 23 2018 06:14 Thax wrote: What the heck are we even talking about again? Harstem not top foreigner? He's had his up and downs, but he has been a top 5 foreign Protoss basically for years, being in the top 2 or 3 spot plenty of times. To me a top foreigner is someone who regularly makes deep runs in WCS tournaments so basically Serral, Elazer, Nerchio, Snute, Neeb, Showtime and Special. Scarlett too for her performance at Pyeongchang and GSL. Between them and the rest of the foreigners there's a significant gap. | ||
Poopi
France12738 Posts
As for games recommended, I’d say all INno games except against Optimus, Harstem vs Cham, Harstem vs special, soO vs Serral (g2 and g4) | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On April 23 2018 16:57 Poopi wrote: It becomes clear that there is a problem in the matchup because INno couldn’t comeback against Harstem in a macro game and most terrans try to do 2 bases pushes / allin even against inferior competition. As for games recommended, I’d say all INno games except against Optimus, Harstem vs Cham, Harstem vs special, soO vs Serral (g2 and g4) I forgot to say SoO vs Srral, they were really good to watch | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On April 23 2018 16:10 Charoisaur wrote: To me a top foreigner is someone who regularly makes deep runs in WCS tournaments so basically Serral, Elazer, Nerchio, Snute, Neeb, Showtime and Special. Scarlett too for her performance at Pyeongchang and GSL. Between them and the rest of the foreigners there's a significant gap. And yet Harstem has won 2 premier tournaments (with wins against Snute, Scarlett so top for) while Scarlett and Showtime only won one and Special never won. Harstem isn't always at his best, and don't participate in all tournament, but i think he often reach a top foreigner level, which is the case these past weeks. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On April 23 2018 05:30 Vanadiel wrote: Congrats to everyone there, it was a fun day ! Now the real challenge begin though, time to out-drink Ogaming crew. So how did you fare ? Yesterday was a really hard day ... | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On April 23 2018 11:03 juicyjames wrote: Any recommended matches? uThermal vs Special soO vs Serral twice Inno vs Harstem game 2 | ||
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yangluphil
318 Posts
Harstem took down Inno really reminds me of Special taking down Stats and TY at blizzcon. A very good but never the best foreigner (like Harstem, very inconsistent but can peak at a high level) took down top koreans. I don't remember back then people taking it as an opportunity to throw out their agendas. Give me a break. | ||
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terran4lyfe
United States72 Posts
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