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On March 23 2018 19:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 23 2018 19:26 n00bKing wrote:
In that ONE game, I posted exactly TWO names in the voting thread. They were BOTH SCUM. I was mislynched Day 1 (YOUR fault), and you did NOT manage to win without me.
wrong. you also voted for me. you also tunneled me all D1 when i was doing nothing but trying to lynch mafia1 and mafia2. It was your fault you were mislynched because you were so bad and you would have never lynched any mafia in that game regardless of where your votes were. In the next game as mafia you decided it's a good plan to roleblock yourself to give town another mislynch as last mafia alive immediately losing you the game so sorry i have a really hard time seeing you being a world class mafia player. Now talk about something that is not your ego.
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On March 23 2018 19:12 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 18:46 n00bKing wrote:On March 23 2018 08:35 Koshi wrote:On March 23 2018 08:32 Tictock wrote:On March 23 2018 06:32 Koshi wrote:Man I was going to post this on deadline but w.e. I think the risk is too high cool people will die. RIP 3 townies. I am paying attention. Suprise! Best reads in spoiler. Town MVP Throphy = thx. Mafia will probably win if slightly mafia balanced. Too much KP. Too many limited town players. + Show Spoiler +Top town
18. Coagulation (town seal)
9. KelsierSC (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs)
6. rsoultin (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs)
7. Vivax (tip top town, because he lives in Vivax world)
Townish
3. ExO_ (Some1 mindmelded with him. The mindmeldee is mostly town. Other than that he doesn't look good)
17. Tictock (I said this after a post he made)
4. Mocsta (seems lost. Being lost here is good)
20. MoosyDoosy (I think he is town just based on thread sentiment against him)
I have hope for these players
15. Palmar (high hopes)
1. Holyflare (less high hopes)
Can flip either way
8. raynpelikoneet (not enough cares during lynch, nothing smart during night, pushes the idea df is town on something he didn't read properly. But he seems a bit lost which is townie)
14. disformation (still looks mafia to me)
10. ykl (Meh, needs more sass, way too safe)
11. n00bking (He might be good at playing mafia, I think he is town)
5. Alakaslam (potential false prophet)
mafia
2. Conversion (I call him mafia, he says I am always wrong on his alignment.)
12. darthfoley (I call him mafia, he says I am wrong.)
16. Fecalfeast (0 impact) Odd Koshi knew there was gunna be 3 townies dead. Also feel weird he townreads me when I feel like I should probably be null at best for most people. Eh I guess it would be a pretty weird scum slip to announce how much KP they have, on the other hand this is Koshi... Just like Mocsta I think we blocked 1 kp tbh. Mafia kp is 4/2=2 and I think they have either a vigi or strongarm. The balance seems fine this game. If they have a Vigi, then Mocsta would have been the 3rd mafia kp (I feel this is unlikely though). If they have a Strongman, and Town vigi was the 3rd kill, there is still not a KP "blocked" anywhere. So why do you assume one was blocked somewhere? (Man, sure would be nice to know how many mafia are in the game, HUH?) If they strongman shot a VT then it wouldn't actually be KP right? I think that's how it usually works. so there may have been blocked kp from an inaccurate shot
The Strongman does not create an additional attacker. When used AS an attacker, his attack cannot be prevented.
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That's apparently true. I didn't even notice that because it's not how strongman usually works here.
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On March 23 2018 19:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 19:22 n00bKing wrote:On March 23 2018 17:37 rsoultin wrote:
NK I could definitely lynch if he doesn't pull out his town god he's been bragging about all this time lol ><
I provided 3 meaningful discussion points? Maybe discuss them? ONE person has made ONE comment on ONE of the 3 of them. No you didn't, especially when you vote off of those three people. I don't even know if you scumread any of them or not and if you do why is your vote on Tictock instead if you want them discussed?
Because I actually know how to accomplish more than one thing at the same time?
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On March 23 2018 19:26 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 19:22 n00bKing wrote:On March 23 2018 17:37 rsoultin wrote:
NK I could definitely lynch if he doesn't pull out his town god he's been bragging about all this time lol ><
I provided 3 meaningful discussion points? Maybe discuss them? ONE person has made ONE comment on ONE of the 3 of them. Can you TL;dr them
It was only one post. Can you read one post? Pretty please? #2012.
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On March 23 2018 19:41 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 19:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 23 2018 19:22 n00bKing wrote:On March 23 2018 17:37 rsoultin wrote:
NK I could definitely lynch if he doesn't pull out his town god he's been bragging about all this time lol ><
I provided 3 meaningful discussion points? Maybe discuss them? ONE person has made ONE comment on ONE of the 3 of them. No you didn't, especially when you vote off of those three people. I don't even know if you scumread any of them or not and if you do why is your vote on Tictock instead if you want them discussed? Because I actually know how to accomplish more than one thing at the same time?
From what i know no you don't, at least as town you don't.
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On March 23 2018 19:41 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 19:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 23 2018 19:22 n00bKing wrote:On March 23 2018 17:37 rsoultin wrote:
NK I could definitely lynch if he doesn't pull out his town god he's been bragging about all this time lol ><
I provided 3 meaningful discussion points? Maybe discuss them? ONE person has made ONE comment on ONE of the 3 of them. No you didn't, especially when you vote off of those three people. I don't even know if you scumread any of them or not and if you do why is your vote on Tictock instead if you want them discussed? Because I actually know how to accomplish more than one thing at the same time?
So do you scumread them or not?
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On March 23 2018 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 19:26 n00bKing wrote:
In that ONE game, I posted exactly TWO names in the voting thread. They were BOTH SCUM. I was mislynched Day 1 (YOUR fault), and you did NOT manage to win without me.
wrong. you also voted for me. you also tunneled me all D1 when i was doing nothing but trying to lynch mafia1 and mafia2. It was your fault you were mislynched because you were so bad and you would have never lynched any mafia in that game regardless of where your votes were.
NO, I did NOT vote for you. I voted for only TWO players, CopCake and GB, and they were both scum. You misremember, or you are lying, but those WERE the only two names I ever put into the voting thread. You lead a mislynch on someone who pegged 2/3 of the team on Day 1 in their only two votes (one of whom I posted very fleshed out and detailed arguments against), and try to claim that it was their fault for being "so bad." lol Yeah, I think I woulda lynched mafia just FINE in that game, if you had just gotten out of my (and your own) way. Too bad you didn't convince everyone to just sheep my votes after you mislynched me. Maybe then you would've won.
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On March 23 2018 19:31 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 19:26 n00bKing wrote:On March 23 2018 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 23 2018 17:37 rsoultin wrote:
NK I could definitely lynch if he doesn't pull out his town god he's been bragging about all this time lol ><
I can tell you about this mafia god town play. Gets poceted super hard by 2/3 mafia D1. Tunnels one of the only two people who try to lynch mafia in the game. Gets lynched D1. Hahahaha. As I mentioned before, I have only been lynched D1 ONE time, in all my years of playing these games. ONE. In that ONE game, I posted exactly TWO names in the voting thread. They were BOTH SCUM. I was mislynched Day 1 (YOUR fault), and you did NOT manage to win without me. I appreciate the caps lock frequency. It really screams "I'm secure about my ability as a player."
I LOVE CAPS LOCK, darthfoley. In any mood, on any topic.
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Okay look noobking.
Your post about 3 lurkers basically says nothing but that they are lurking. If you want to pressure them or think they are mafia i don't understand at all why you are voting for tictock instead, especially since you claimed on D1 that killing the non-playing people (aka sicklucker there) is the best play. I think you are directly contradicting what you said on D1 here, because -- as you are a logical player -- logically you should want to pressure lurkers to talk or kill them (as per your stance on D1). Which to me looks really scummy since you did this shit last game hard core. You pressed all people to scumhunt and then you threew it all into trash by voting for an afk Kelsier who was never gonna be lynched at the EoD. I don't care if you swapped your vote on Rels here, it doesn't take much brain to correct your obvious "mistake" you made as mafia last game.
The point is. If you think the lurkers are mafia, why aren't you pressuring them instead of voting for Tictock? Why aren't you actually even calling them mafia? If you think they are not mafia why the hell are you even talking about them? What is the point?
People are not commenting on your stuff because you are not really saying anything. If you wanna say something say why you think they are mafia or don't bring them up if you don't. Because to me it looks like you are just trying to find targets to lynch instead of trying to find mafia. If one person does say this, they might be wrong and you might be right in your narrative. But when 5 people tell you this then you should probably see what you are actually saying and think again.
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On September 05 2015 08:50 n00bKing wrote:
##Vote: raynpelikoneet
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Funny thing is you literally voted for me after i made a case on mafia. 
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And immediately after got pocketed by scum.
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Okay i am gonna go to work. You guys sheep Koshi he is town jesus and will solve the game with Vivax and Holyflare.
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On March 23 2018 19:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Your post about 3 lurkers basically says nothing but that they are lurking.
Wrong. How could anyone read it and then say this? That is not all it says, about any of the 3 of them. Not to mention the fact that I ask straightforward and direct questions that should be VERY simple for other players to answer.
On March 23 2018 19:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you want to pressure them or think they are mafia i don't understand at all why you are voting for tictock instead
Explained already. There should be NO reason I can't do both at the same time. I can accomplish both at the same time. I've done it dozens of times before.
On March 23 2018 19:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think you are directly contradicting what you said on D1 here, because -- as you are a logical player -- logically you should want to pressure lurkers to talk or kill them (as per your stance on D1). Which to me looks really scummy since you did this shit last game hard core.
Of course I did this shit last game. I had no reason to deviate from proper town play at that point in the game. So I simply played how a town player ought to, which means it looks exactly how I'm playing this game.
On March 23 2018 19:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You pressed all people to scumhunt and then you threew it all into trash by voting for an afk Kelsier who was never gonna be lynched at the EoD.
There was NO reason for me to think he wouldn't be lynched at EoD. I put the option there, if it wasn't used, that's not my fault.
On March 23 2018 19:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't care if you swapped your vote on Rels here, it doesn't take much brain to correct your obvious "mistake" you made as mafia last game.
That was NO mistake, and I did not "correct" anything. I GUARANTEE you, if I had needed to leave an hour before the deadline in D1 of this game, I WOULD have left my vote on sicklucker, just as I left my vote on Kelsier in that game.
On March 23 2018 19:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The point is. If you think the lurkers are mafia, why aren't you pressuring them instead of voting for Tictock?
Doing BOTH? It wouldn't really even take that much cooperation from the other players. Just a LITTLE.
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n00b
you are scum because, for all your proclamations of being world-class, you are merely existing; content to reply to others and one-post pressure lurkers.
you stand for game theory; over the actual game at hand.
you are mafia and i have no interest in i or others trying to force a confession.
if you had a chance to be town; the next 30hrs will prove it in your filter as the onus is on you to pressure your reads; not the other way around.
good luck
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On March 23 2018 20:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Funny thing is you literally voted for me after i made a case on mafia.
Funny thing is I literally never voted for you at ALL. You have to be mafia here, right? Arguing just for the sake of taking up space in the thread with an argument where you are wrong, and HAVE to know you are wrong? You have to be mafia, right? Because nobody is THIS brain-dead. Go look at the voting thread. Find where I voted for you. NEVER happened. I voted EXCLUSIVELY against two scum players. Look at the final vote count from that day, and look for a vote against you from me that got scratched out before I moved it somewhere else. Uh-uh. I never voted for you. I only voted for scum. But you somehow managed to get me lynched on Day 1, even though it had never happened before, and has never happened since. And then...you failed to win without me. As it has been more than 4 entire years since any town team I was on has made the mistake of killing me themselves and then survived it.
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On March 23 2018 20:26 Mocsta wrote:
you are scum because, for all your proclamations of being world-class, you are merely existing; content to reply to others and one-post pressure lurkers.
Absurd. Read my filter. Filled to overflowing with me bringing up topics for discussion that had gone unnoticed by others, and lines of questioning about why players hold the opinions they claim to, not to mention GETTING them to choose which opinions they claim in the FIRST place.
If YOU are Town, then what excuse could you possibly have for not engaging in the discussions I am trying to get settled? Seriously, tell me. Why would you staunchly refuse to participate in my efforts to advance the game, and discover the identities of the players who are mafia? Why are you standing in the way of that goal?
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On March 23 2018 19:35 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 19:33 n00bKing wrote:On March 23 2018 18:17 Palmar wrote:On March 22 2018 07:29 Palmar wrote:On March 22 2018 07:25 Mocsta wrote:On March 20 2018 19:48 Palmar wrote:
I'm going with a rather strict "vote on a case" policy this game On March 22 2018 05:43 Palmar wrote:
Throwing down a vote on disfo just so I get a vote out there. I don't remember why I thought he could be mafia but I don't really care. On March 22 2018 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
*thumbs up* Good post. I am not sure why n00bking decided to change posting style the past 12hours, but its working for me. Overall: not a concern to me anymore. This is not a good post, it's just him taking things at face value. I still haven't read more than half the game and I don't feel strongly enough about anyone being mafia to build a case myself, and no one else is pushing any kind of a case. So what does he expect, that I just don't vote at all? It's probably the most scummy post that noobking has made because he's creating something out of nothing. I'm voting on tone reads right now. disfo sounded off in the early game. On March 22 2018 21:55 Palmar wrote:To clarify to slower than normal people: a) rayn's point is very good. This post here: On March 20 2018 17:23 n00bKing wrote:On March 20 2018 13:20 ykl wrote:On March 20 2018 12:27 n00bKing wrote:On March 20 2018 12:16 ykl wrote:
instead makes a quick side track to challenge Ticktock instead. Nervous about something? Yeah, slightly. Nice deflect though, would you still want to address why you choose to completely ignore the person that's scum reading and voting for you? "Still?" I don't think I ever offered any indication that I was interested in addressing that. If I end up having something to say to Conversion, I'll do so. On March 20 2018 13:20 ykl wrote:
I'm also having a hard time seeing where you are voting for makes sense. You apparently scumread both me and disformation but never really provided a good explanation as to why you think Koshi's vote on disformation is a good case at all to the point where you'd follow that vote instead. "Instead?" Like, instead of following some other vote? Which vote was I supposed to follow "instead?" Is noobking being obtuse with wording that literally everyone would have understood easily. ykl is complaining that noobking votes disfo instead of following his own leads on disfo and ykl himself. But instead of answering the question noobking chooses to be an ass about it. Then in the post about me:
s it *possible* for someone to say that, and ALSO mean it? Yeah, it's possible. But the presence of the word "actually" directly reduces the chance that Palmar believes what he is saying. And increases the chance that he is scum, does not find what you said to be interesting or worthwhile at all, but will nevertheless take the opportunity to cast aspersions at me, simply because I'm not on the scum roster.
He's bitching about me using the word actually. This is even on a surface level straight up scummy because this is not how you toneread. You can't just assume that all people talk the same. (I've tried to lynch LS for bad grammar, it's a terrible idea). But just to prove this to be a bullshit read without a doubt, here are some highlights from the last game I played: On December 14 2017 00:22 Palmar wrote:
This is actually kinda slam dunk here. On December 14 2017 01:19 Palmar wrote:
I actually kinda like killing Oats, his filter is way worse than I thought. I gave him a tentative town read for calling koshi trash, but there's nothing that stops mafia from saying things that are true.
His filter is basically empty. Note that if you search my name and actually, it turns out I use that word incredibly often, but I chose these two posts as an example because it's very similar situations, I'm using "actually" to describe my realization that something is worth noticing, or as an emphasis that I'm having a realization. So not only is it a baseless and stupid accusation, it's very easily verifiable that it means nothing, something noobking clearly had no interest in doing. Even if I see people post smilies, I just go search through the last games and stuff to find out if that's just how they talk, or if it's relevant. The problem is that noobking is trying to stir shit with something that isn't shit. And he does it repeatedly. This is actually a great case Oh and this part: That said, I have no interest in eliminating Palmar from the game at this time, because several of his other posts (particularly ones during this Night Phase) reveal to me that he has a better-than-average understanding of the game mechanics and strategy. He understands the limitations on Day 1 scumhunting, he understands the reduced value of certain roleclaims, he understands the difference between a townlean/townread and "more likely to be town than scum." If he's town, he should eventually prove a strong asset in unraveling the game. I agree with this part. Although "better-than-average" is perhaps an unnecessarily weak description of my prowess. I'd have preferred something like "world-class". We're killing noobking today. I kinda want to point out that half the game has voted for NK or called him mafia (ff, conversion, rayn, moosey, ticktock, mocsta, disfo, me etc) but there seems to be a lot of resistance to building an actual wagon on him. Like why am I throwing down the first vote here? HF scumread him since day 1. I think it would be a grand idea to pile some votes onto noobking. Zzzzzz. I refuted your points already. With room to spare. "HF scumread him since day 1?" Yeah, and then realized he probably shouldn't be, BEFORE the end of Day 1. On March 23 2018 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
I didn't think his later posting resembled his last mafia game so I backed off it. So did the majority of other people. He apparently also realized he shouldn't be scumreading me at the end of Night 1 either. Since he posts a lynch progression that continues to start with Mocsta, says that if Mocsta is Town, "lynch Tictock 10/10 times" and then says to move on to Fecalfeast. You don't see my name in that progression. What you do see is him saying that Palmar is playing his mafia meta so far, but that he wants to see more before making a decision on you. Now, does HF not scumreading me anymore make me town? No. Does him saying you're playing your mafia meta make you scum? No. There's no reason why Holyflare necessarily has to have ANY clue what he's talking about. But you damn sure can't act like there should have been votes on me already, using a basis of "HF scumread him since Day 1" Sorry man, but this reeks of "god damn it, I'm caught but I don't feel like I should be caught because I believe that all mafia who are caught, are caught because of their own mistakes... and that would mean admitting that I played poorly or suboptimally." Similar to last game
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