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n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 23 2018 09:42 GMT
#2061
On March 23 2018 08:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Anyone who DOESNT follow these two posts:

Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 07:58 Holyflare wrote:
My dying wishes:

If mocsta is town lynch ticktock 10/10 times. It's not a towny thought process to defend someone from a case before you read the case ever. It's ridiculous. Then he's trying to push me as mafia because I backed off nk....? Wtf is he even reading.

When you've done that you either kill Fecalfeast or he claims blue. Either or.

Don't let rsoultin slide away doing not much. Don't think she's having any usual impact. If I die one of the usual top town people looking people (not in this game) are mafia so look into rsoul/palmar/vivax/koshi etc.

Don't really agree with rayn on df fight but dude seems ok. Koshi seems ok. Slam not voting would be a dick move to team mates. Coag seal. Forget most people in this game really. Don't sleep on palmar, he's playing his mafia meta right now but I wanna see where it goes. Like the drive on nk.

Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 06:59 Vivax wrote:
So, in rough order of current confidence the mafia guesses are:

High tier:

HF
KSC
Koshi

Medium tier:

Rsoultin
ExO

Low Tier:

Rayn (maybe he's just being bad but that HF townread really doesn't sit right with me, also he didn't start a shitfight with any of the big names yet)

I'm wrong on 1-2 depending on the final amount of mafia. I salute you town.

is scum and should be killed.

Guess you'll be killing Palmar then, since he's trying to have me lynched instead of following those posts. heh
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 23 2018 09:46 GMT
#2062
On March 23 2018 08:35 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 08:32 Tictock wrote:
On March 23 2018 06:32 Koshi wrote:
Man I was going to post this on deadline but w.e.
I think the risk is too high cool people will die.
RIP 3 townies.

I am paying attention. Suprise!
Best reads in spoiler. Town MVP Throphy = thx.
Mafia will probably win if slightly mafia balanced. Too much KP. Too many limited town players.

+ Show Spoiler +
Top town
18. Coagulation (town seal)
9. KelsierSC (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs)
6. rsoultin (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs)
7. Vivax (tip top town, because he lives in Vivax world)

Townish

3. ExO_ (Some1 mindmelded with him. The mindmeldee is mostly town. Other than that he doesn't look good)
17. Tictock (I said this after a post he made)
4. Mocsta (seems lost. Being lost here is good)
20. MoosyDoosy (I think he is town just based on thread sentiment against him)

I have hope for these players
15. Palmar (high hopes)
1. Holyflare (less high hopes)

Can flip either way
8. raynpelikoneet (not enough cares during lynch, nothing smart during night, pushes the idea df is town on something he didn't read properly. But he seems a bit lost which is townie)
14. disformation (still looks mafia to me)
10. ykl (Meh, needs more sass, way too safe)
11. n00bking (He might be good at playing mafia, I think he is town)
5. Alakaslam (potential false prophet)

mafia
2. Conversion (I call him mafia, he says I am always wrong on his alignment.)
12. darthfoley (I call him mafia, he says I am wrong.)
16. Fecalfeast (0 impact)


Odd Koshi knew there was gunna be 3 townies dead. Also feel weird he townreads me when I feel like I should probably be null at best for most people.

Eh I guess it would be a pretty weird scum slip to announce how much KP they have, on the other hand this is Koshi...

Just like Mocsta I think we blocked 1 kp tbh. Mafia kp is 4/2=2 and I think they have either a vigi or strongarm. The balance seems fine this game.

If they have a Vigi, then Mocsta would have been the 3rd mafia kp (I feel this is unlikely though). If they have a Strongman, and Town vigi was the 3rd kill, there is still not a KP "blocked" anywhere. So why do you assume one was blocked somewhere? (Man, sure would be nice to know how many mafia are in the game, HUH?)
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 23 2018 09:47 GMT
#2063
Oh i forgot. I will keep a list of this. Idk what other people read as big names but here's the list still:
On March 23 2018 06:24 darthfoley wrote:
I don't think he's been aggressive enough with the other big names.

Holyflare
Vivax - although i have absolutely no idea why Vivax was shot here since this game he was never going to convince anyone of anything, at least alive. Probably medic dodge.
Mocsta - i for once agree with Koshi here 100%
Koshi - townread
Palmar - townread
rsoultin - townread

rels - i am pretty sure df can't claim i wasn't being aggressive with Rels since i voted for him, twice.
We will see if i would actually need to be aggressive with big names. So far looking pretty good for df, don't you think?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 23 2018 09:49 GMT
#2064
I will most likely sheep Holyflare or Palmar here. That honestly probably means i will vote for noobking or tictock actually instead. I am gonna let df and disformation be and say "i told you so" post game.
table for two on a tv tray
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 23 2018 09:50 GMT
#2065
On March 23 2018 08:57 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 08:54 Palmar wrote:
On March 23 2018 08:51 darthfoley wrote:
Logically speaking, taking Mocsta's claim at face value, Conversion and n00bking are almost surely 1 scum between them. Perhaps two, but idk.


Why? Like how has Mocsta's claim anything to do with these guys alignment?


Because with as much movement as there was EoD, it's hard to believe the 5 popular wagons were all town

Rels -- flipped town
Mocsta -- claimed vig + shot went through
darthfoley -- your friendly vanilla town
n00bking -- ???
Conversion -- ???

If I accept that both nk/conversion are town, it's basically saying that mafia were sitting back, laughing maniacally while town just acted like chickens with their heads cut off.

You haven't seen Day 1 end that way a hundred times?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
March 23 2018 09:50 GMT
#2066
vivax was shot im sure for the same reason i shot kelsier that game.

because i was comfortable and undetected, so wanted to disrupt circle and leave big players on wrong path.
in vivax case he was a hard town read for many, so it helps with PoE.

the thing is, it points to a strategic thinker to do a kill like that.. i.e. n00bking.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
March 23 2018 09:51 GMT
#2067
yeah, lol medic dodge.

guess thats the same intent in 2 words lol
but implies comfort and forward thinking.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 23 2018 09:55 GMT
#2068
On March 23 2018 13:13 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2018 08:23 Tictock wrote:
I wonder if a scum!Mocsta would so blatantly waste his first couple of posts saying basically nothing.

Kinda doubt it and he also appreciated my joke so he can get a weak town lean.

Also for anyone who doesn't recall (probably everyone but me) Mocsta's "post limit" is equal to the # of pages in the thread. So particularly for D1 in a 20 person game he probably wont be hitting that limit.

Humm, that may weaken my above point.
Standard shit sandwhich delivery
Dont like this post.


Ticktock is town. I am pretty sure of it.

Page 100 is him solving the game and he also has a couple right and wrong reads but they seem authentic. I also feel like his tone is very townish idgaf and here are my own reads.

I think HF died for his constant bickering with noobking. Who is either not as good of a player he thinks. Or simply mafia and protecting his teammates and so limiting his scumhunting.


Anyway. I think TT is town and shouldnt be the lynch today.
I had a good night of sleep.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 23 2018 09:58 GMT
#2069
On March 23 2018 18:04 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 10:17 n00bKing wrote:
So, is Coagulation any sort of a decent Town player? Or is he another guy like Slam or FF, who assures us that he wields no influence, and that no one ever would listen to anything he had to say? Because that's the only scenario where I can make sense of a town player reading an 85-page thread, and then risking his own death before he gets to tell us ANYthing about what he thought of those 85 pages.


Slam is exponentially more useful than Coag. That should give you an indication of what coag does. Doing nothing is overachieving for him.

mh. despite having trouble reading slam i hope he comes back.
i guess that means coag plays like this as either alignment?

also what is this emo rayn thing?
On March 23 2018 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh i forgot. I will keep a list of this. Idk what other people read as big names but here's the list still:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 06:24 darthfoley wrote:
I don't think he's been aggressive enough with the other big names.

Holyflare
Vivax - although i have absolutely no idea why Vivax was shot here since this game he was never going to convince anyone of anything, at least alive. Probably medic dodge.
Mocsta - i for once agree with Koshi here 100%
Koshi - townread
Palmar - townread
rsoultin - townread

rels - i am pretty sure df can't claim i wasn't being aggressive with Rels since i voted for him, twice.
We will see if i would actually need to be aggressive with big names. So far looking pretty good for df, don't you think?

sheeping hf, palmar, koshi and rayn sounds like too good to be true... xD
inb4 we all should sheep vivi instead.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 23 2018 09:59 GMT
#2070
On March 23 2018 16:55 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah I don't disagree on nk, mocsta. I expected some night action analysis given his perception of how the game should be played and there wasn't any that i noticed?

As for conversion...he feels different than the game I was scum in. Like wasn't he trying to be a new and better conversion? Don't see that here at all.

This I agree with. NK last post was incredible underwhelming.

Conversion I dont know about atm. I might not lynch him based on TT his read on conv which I respect.
I had a good night of sleep.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 23 2018 09:59 GMT
#2071
actually hf also said that should he die tehre is prolly mafia in: "rsoul/palmar/vivax/koshi etc."
hmm...
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 23 2018 10:04 GMT
#2072
hmm... will read tt

oh and btw: i have some rl stuff tomorrow evening, but ill be here the 1-2h b4 dl.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 23 2018 10:05 GMT
#2073
On March 23 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:
Tbh it is rather odd Mafia did not shoot into either of Mocsta or Dis.

Now why is that something you would want "to be honest" about?

Mocsta was fairly close to being lynched on D1, so HF and I both felt comfortable saying he would not be killed. He was too tantalizing as a mislynch target. Meanwhile:
On March 23 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:
Idk why but I feel like Mafia are quite likely to have a strongarm this game, and Dis prob should have died. Though it's not impossible they left him alive for WIFOM.

Kind of ridiculous. Why should they have wasted a Strongarm to kill an exposed Veteran?

Here are the 9 potential Town roles:

Veteran, Roleblocker, Doctor, Jailkeeper, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Tracker, Watcher, Vigilante

Every single one of them can help the Town catch scum, help the Town kill scum, or help the Town prevent kills by the scum....EXCEPT an exposed Veteran.

If we assume disformation is a legitimate Town Veteran, then: barring a scenario where he becomes the "Town Jesus" that was described earlier, there is NO rush to eliminate him. He's been completely neutralized by virtue of claiming his actual role, instead of just saying he was blue.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 23 2018 10:05 GMT
#2074
Dont be sad rayn. I skipped and skimmed a lot and you just didnt pop out enough. Not playing wont help that. Emo posts even less.

Slightly mafia lean now. The emo was too strong.
I had a good night of sleep.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 23 2018 10:08 GMT
#2075
On March 23 2018 13:37 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2018 13:11 Tictock wrote:
I'm about to head to bed. Pretty happy with my vote on Exo, and am now thinking Noob has a good shot at being mafia as well.

Like I said before I don't get where Exo's head is at at all if he is town, and he looks to me like mafia trying to put out reads but is only able to come up with half assed stuff that makes little sense.

Noob prob mafia for calling my vote bad, then sheeping koshi...

I think I have one other scum read atm as well, but I feel like there might be something throwing that read off so I want to hold off and see if anything changes. It's kinda half based off feels and tone atm anyways.
This is a good post from tictock in context of what happened circa page 15.

I would lynch n00bking over tictock based on this.

lol, well okay then.

If "sticking to incorrect reads that were fabricated out of poor reasoning" is what you like from players, then yeah....I'm not gonna be your cup of tea.

His vote WAS in fact bad, and both of his scumreads were Town.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 23 2018 10:08 GMT
#2076
On March 23 2018 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh i forgot. I will keep a list of this. Idk what other people read as big names but here's the list still:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 06:24 darthfoley wrote:
I don't think he's been aggressive enough with the other big names.

Holyflare
Vivax - although i have absolutely no idea why Vivax was shot here since this game he was never going to convince anyone of anything, at least alive. Probably medic dodge.
Mocsta - i for once agree with Koshi here 100%
Koshi - townread
Palmar - townread
rsoultin - townread

rels - i am pretty sure df can't claim i wasn't being aggressive with Rels since i voted for him, twice.
We will see if i would actually need to be aggressive with big names. So far looking pretty good for df, don't you think?



Being aggressive doesn't mean scum reading them. I have just sense a lack of aggression generally. Usually when you're town you want to be right and you want everyone to admit that you are right. You like being the center of discussion and do not enjoy being cast aside.

However my feeling this game is that your primary concern is convincing me that IM mafia, not convincing other people. Yes, you've obviously interacted with people, but I don't think you've been particularly concerned as to whether people actually sheep you or not.

You've also spent a lot of time calling me bad which is typical for you, but recently it's almost as if you're calling me bad rather than scum. Proving to everyone how bad I am rather than proving to people how I'm scum.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 23 2018 10:09 GMT
#2077
On March 23 2018 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I will most likely sheep Holyflare or Palmar here. That honestly probably means i will vote for noobking or tictock actually instead. I am gonna let df and disformation be and say "i told you so" post game.

Wel.... good targets. Back to null. Mafia lean was a bit harsh.
I had a good night of sleep.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 23 2018 10:10 GMT
#2078
On March 23 2018 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I will most likely sheep Holyflare or Palmar here. That honestly probably means i will vote for noobking or tictock actually instead. I am gonna let df and disformation be and say "i told you so" post game.


So you think disformation is either

1) faking vet claim
2) actually mafia veteran (agree with HF that this would be kind of OP unless Town got lots of KP)
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 23 2018 10:12 GMT
#2079
On March 23 2018 19:08 darthfoley wrote:
Being aggressive doesn't mean scum reading them. I have just sense a lack of aggression generally. Usually when you're town you want to be right and you want everyone to admit that you are right. You like being the center of discussion and do not enjoy being cast aside.

I see, i should be aggressive towards my townreads. Noted.
The rest is also bs. Apparently you haven't seen me playing lately.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 23 2018 10:12 GMT
#2080
On March 23 2018 18:46 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 08:35 Koshi wrote:
On March 23 2018 08:32 Tictock wrote:
On March 23 2018 06:32 Koshi wrote:
Man I was going to post this on deadline but w.e.
I think the risk is too high cool people will die.
RIP 3 townies.

I am paying attention. Suprise!
Best reads in spoiler. Town MVP Throphy = thx.
Mafia will probably win if slightly mafia balanced. Too much KP. Too many limited town players.

+ Show Spoiler +
Top town
18. Coagulation (town seal)
9. KelsierSC (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs)
6. rsoultin (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs)
7. Vivax (tip top town, because he lives in Vivax world)

Townish

3. ExO_ (Some1 mindmelded with him. The mindmeldee is mostly town. Other than that he doesn't look good)
17. Tictock (I said this after a post he made)
4. Mocsta (seems lost. Being lost here is good)
20. MoosyDoosy (I think he is town just based on thread sentiment against him)

I have hope for these players
15. Palmar (high hopes)
1. Holyflare (less high hopes)

Can flip either way
8. raynpelikoneet (not enough cares during lynch, nothing smart during night, pushes the idea df is town on something he didn't read properly. But he seems a bit lost which is townie)
14. disformation (still looks mafia to me)
10. ykl (Meh, needs more sass, way too safe)
11. n00bking (He might be good at playing mafia, I think he is town)
5. Alakaslam (potential false prophet)

mafia
2. Conversion (I call him mafia, he says I am always wrong on his alignment.)
12. darthfoley (I call him mafia, he says I am wrong.)
16. Fecalfeast (0 impact)


Odd Koshi knew there was gunna be 3 townies dead. Also feel weird he townreads me when I feel like I should probably be null at best for most people.

Eh I guess it would be a pretty weird scum slip to announce how much KP they have, on the other hand this is Koshi...

Just like Mocsta I think we blocked 1 kp tbh. Mafia kp is 4/2=2 and I think they have either a vigi or strongarm. The balance seems fine this game.

If they have a Vigi, then Mocsta would have been the 3rd mafia kp (I feel this is unlikely though). If they have a Strongman, and Town vigi was the 3rd kill, there is still not a KP "blocked" anywhere. So why do you assume one was blocked somewhere? (Man, sure would be nice to know how many mafia are in the game, HUH?)


If they strongman shot a VT then it wouldn't actually be KP right? I think that's how it usually works. so there may have been blocked kp from an inaccurate shot
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