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On March 23 2018 16:55 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah I don't disagree on nk, mocsta. I expected some night action analysis given his perception of how the game should be played and there wasn't any that i noticed?
As for conversion...he feels different than the game I was scum in. Like wasn't he trying to be a new and better conversion? Don't see that here at all.
Let me try to explain this better now that I'm not trying to post between deaths in heroes lol >< His anger this game is not as irrationally explosive when it shows, and there seems to be no attempts made to curb it and be more pleasant like he was making in my scum game. I need to pop into that game again (add to list) and see if he said that new approach wasn't working or something to explain why he'd drop it, but as I recall it didn't go so horribly for him other than the one explosion he made (that got him townread) and he went back to trying to play more constructively. Plus yeah three mafia in three days. Doesn't seem like you'd then say oh that didn't work, I'll just drop that effort.
He's calling me stupid for saying that calling you town out of nowhere at EoD looked scummy. I pointed out that there were other wagons (and in any case you could have been mafia) so his claim that townreading you makes him town was just wrong. He still failed to address that. And yes, that townread came out of nowhere. You're literally never mentioned by him until then.
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Hmmmm
Perhaps that is a deal scum indicator
I jumped onto him cos i had no idea. This is in my filter a few timea as well.
He couldnt jump onto me cos im town, but no reference posts... so tmi in the moment
I am contemplatinf replacing cos this game is taking ocer my life in a bad way.
If i stay i will read conv pronto
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On March 23 2018 17:06 Mocsta wrote:
What do you think about the stuff above with darthfoley?
Nh. I'm beginning to lean toward not wanting to lynch df? It's not a super strong lean by any means, but I've come to the conclusion that people suspecting me was justified after Rels, Hf, you (not gonna rethink this unless we somehow both end up in lylo which will probably never happen), Exo, Viva (lol not that his was based on anything I understand), and he was one of the first. And yeah his reason for suspecting me...banana analogy and all...was not bad given my read was fairly poorly worded. I can see that read.
And frankly part of it is I'm waffling hard on rayn and think his flip might be telling.
In line with the maybe I should pull my egotistical head out of my ass and admit that I must have been doing something wrong with so many town players scumreading me, rayn backing me up...he's been better at reading me in obs, it's true, but that was also in games where I was just hands-down top townread untouchable anyway. Thus the waffle. Maybe he shouldn't have been townreading me so hard. Then again there are also posts that feel very town!rayn from him where he's just RAWR! how could you possibly THINK THIS?! So color me completely indecisive -snorts-
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On March 23 2018 17:14 Mocsta wrote:
Hmmmm
Perhaps that is a deal scum indicator
I jumped onto him cos i had no idea. This is in my filter a few timea as well.
He couldnt jump onto me cos im town, but no reference posts... so tmi in the moment
I am contemplatinf replacing cos this game is taking ocer my life in a bad way.
If i stay i will read conv pronto
 You can just be a lazy bum like I was trying to be and still stay? I prefer talking to effectively confirmed (yeah I'm stubborn not going to say 100%) town because I can be almost certain you at least believe what you say.
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Well i only stopped tr you after you drank the hf lynch mocsta juice
Anyways. Pointless item.
Thats df in general.
What about df with what i wrote preivous page.
The exo exclusion is not good...
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On March 23 2018 14:28 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 05:43 KelsierSC wrote:
@darth second question, regarding the point I made earlier on that ticktock just reposted. Why did you leave exo off town list ? Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:
I left ExO the town list because my opinion of him decreased This marks one of the first times DF breaks from roleplay and its important. Like, what DF writes is technically consistent with the below: however, in context of Kelsier point, its total bullshit. + Show Spoiler [Kelsier good point] +On March 20 2018 19:51 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 19:36 Palmar wrote:
df's roleplaying is some of the worst I've ever seen. yeh it's not good. I don't know what it means alignment wise. I feel that if you're town you just have fun as town whereas if you rolled mafia the second time in 3 games and you wanted to make things fun fun yourself/hide you would make a persona. I can't say it makes him town or mafia but if I had to pick I would say it is more scum sided. In terms of actual bad stuff. He liked a post that exo had made which wasn't that good. Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 08:27 darthfoley wrote:On March 20 2018 08:09 ExO_ wrote:
Moosy I’m going to try my best to assess you fairly,
but damn you’re like a hyperactive kid in a Candy store.
But you come into the thread saying you need someone to explain the setup because you can’t be arsed to read it....after you /out earlier because of number of players.
Scum leaning on you for this reason. Looks like this chap 'ere as a 'ead on his shoulders I can understand exo's defence of this post but I don't like the post in general. he also leaves exo off his list of town afterwards Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 12:45 darthfoley wrote:
Chester Campbell believes he dun found some good folk to confide in as he rids the streets of petty 'n big boss crime.
The likes of Vivax, Alakaslam Mocsta and Conversion seem like good blokes, eager to help the coppers
Chester is keeping a wary eye out for any bad hombres gives the impression that he doesn't really care who his town circle is and just wants to throw some names out. I'd lynch him and not just to stop the terrible RP. Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 03:26 darthfoley wrote:
I think HF and Vivax are probably town. ExO is perfect lynch bait as always. I've yet to decide what I think of him, but I like that he isn't a fan of Kelscier, so on the townier side of null ATM.
I'm voting Kelscier partially because he's been the least enjoyable player so far, and partially because I think ExO made a fairly decent point that I agree with about Kelscier's vote on disformation.
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On the surface this is a pretty fair point. I'd have to go back and check context though and we're about to head into the city for the morning. Wedding suit shopping and getting bank cards activated and the like lol @.@
Eh, it's fine, I was just questioning items originally and giving HF's read a fair comb over (that and you were a wagon) then the kinda casting shade kinda not thing started pinging me from you, so I think we both wound ourselves up to it in a lovely cycle of OMGUS that's par for the course for me this game. Blah.
Anyway, toodles.
Will take another run at DF this afternoon. And check that my impressions about conversion are actually right and not just faulty memory.
NK I could definitely lynch if he doesn't pull out his town god he's been bragging about all this time lol ><
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On March 23 2018 12:14 Tictock wrote:@ Rayn Can you explain to me why you ended up voting Rels? I noticed you never joined the Conversion wagon, which as far as I could tell from your filter was kus of this. Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Conversion is going to flip town because there is absolutely no way both darthfoley and disformation are town. Yet you joined the Rels wagon very late Show nested quote +Rels [7]: Mocsta, rsoultin, Mocsta, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, Conversion, darthfoley, n00bking, raynpelikoneet, ExO_ Colors should be representing Rayn's reads D1, unless I missed anything. I actually could not find a read on Exo. So I'm wondering why you felt uncomfortable lynching Conversion (who was a null read for you) because you felt two people on that wagon were mafia, but you joined the Rels wagon with 2 people you scumread. I could not find anything explaining why "rel's looks terrible" which is all I saw in your filter about him. This strikes me as odd as I know you two are quite familiar with each other and generally have some respect for each other's town game. I'm very surprised to see you vote with your scum reads on someone who is potentially a strong town player, without having very good reasons.
You're misrepresenting the situation. I originally joined the Rels wagon because disformation lynch and noobking lynch weren't anymore on the table, the person i mostly wanted to lynch aka disformation voted for darthfoley, and i trusted rsoultin. At that point noone was voting for Rels other than rsoultin and Mocsta who i both townread. Slightly after that i decided that instead of rsoultin being right i am more likely to be right and switched back to darthfoley. I only switched back to Rels later on because there was actually quite high chance of him being scum, and i didn't want to lynch Mocsta or Conversion.
Idk, i think that should be pretty easy to tell from my filter, even if you jsut read my filter and not the thread at all...
That being said i think i am not going to play D2. I feel personally offended by Koshi saying i didn't do anything EoD when i defended all people i thought are town and tried to get people on who i think are mafia, not to mention our reads even align on that front aside from Conversion (albeit i don't really know what is Koshi's read on him rn). So good job, you can solve the game with your town circle.
Also df caught me:
On March 23 2018 09:02 darthfoley wrote:
I've literally called his play underwhelming and boring as fuck multiple times. Have you read anything?
On March 23 2018 09:04 darthfoley wrote:
He votes Rels "because he looks terrible." Rayn usually posts a boring 4 page essay on people he votes for, so that's unusual
Well, seems like i must be mafia whatever i do. Good read, you should all follow that.
Gonna vote something at some point maybe, don't give any fucks where other votes are. Just follow Koshi, he can play the game byhimself and lead the town to victory.
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You too Tina.
Last game i actually played i instantly caught you for all the right reasons regardless of what you say and think.
You can keep your Koshi circle too.
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And you look nothing like your last scumgame.
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On March 23 2018 17:37 rsoultin wrote:
NK I could definitely lynch if he doesn't pull out his town god he's been bragging about all this time lol ><
I can tell you about this mafia god town play. Gets poceted super hard by 2/3 mafia D1. Tunnels one of the only two people who try to lynch mafia in the game. Gets lynched D1.
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On March 23 2018 10:17 n00bKing wrote:
So, is Coagulation any sort of a decent Town player? Or is he another guy like Slam or FF, who assures us that he wields no influence, and that no one ever would listen to anything he had to say? Because that's the only scenario where I can make sense of a town player reading an 85-page thread, and then risking his own death before he gets to tell us ANYthing about what he thought of those 85 pages.
Slam is exponentially more useful than Coag. That should give you an indication of what coag does. Doing nothing is overachieving for him.
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On March 22 2018 07:29 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 07:25 Mocsta wrote:On March 20 2018 19:48 Palmar wrote:
I'm going with a rather strict "vote on a case" policy this game On March 22 2018 05:43 Palmar wrote:
Throwing down a vote on disfo just so I get a vote out there. I don't remember why I thought he could be mafia but I don't really care. On March 22 2018 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
*thumbs up* Good post. I am not sure why n00bking decided to change posting style the past 12hours, but its working for me. Overall: not a concern to me anymore. This is not a good post, it's just him taking things at face value. I still haven't read more than half the game and I don't feel strongly enough about anyone being mafia to build a case myself, and no one else is pushing any kind of a case. So what does he expect, that I just don't vote at all? It's probably the most scummy post that noobking has made because he's creating something out of nothing. I'm voting on tone reads right now. disfo sounded off in the early game.
On March 22 2018 21:55 Palmar wrote:To clarify to slower than normal people: a) rayn's point is very good. This post here: Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 17:23 n00bKing wrote:On March 20 2018 13:20 ykl wrote:On March 20 2018 12:27 n00bKing wrote:On March 20 2018 12:16 ykl wrote:
instead makes a quick side track to challenge Ticktock instead. Nervous about something? Yeah, slightly. Nice deflect though, would you still want to address why you choose to completely ignore the person that's scum reading and voting for you? "Still?" I don't think I ever offered any indication that I was interested in addressing that. If I end up having something to say to Conversion, I'll do so. On March 20 2018 13:20 ykl wrote:
I'm also having a hard time seeing where you are voting for makes sense. You apparently scumread both me and disformation but never really provided a good explanation as to why you think Koshi's vote on disformation is a good case at all to the point where you'd follow that vote instead. "Instead?" Like, instead of following some other vote? Which vote was I supposed to follow "instead?" Is noobking being obtuse with wording that literally everyone would have understood easily. ykl is complaining that noobking votes disfo instead of following his own leads on disfo and ykl himself. But instead of answering the question noobking chooses to be an ass about it. Then in the post about me: Show nested quote +
s it *possible* for someone to say that, and ALSO mean it? Yeah, it's possible. But the presence of the word "actually" directly reduces the chance that Palmar believes what he is saying. And increases the chance that he is scum, does not find what you said to be interesting or worthwhile at all, but will nevertheless take the opportunity to cast aspersions at me, simply because I'm not on the scum roster.
He's bitching about me using the word actually. This is even on a surface level straight up scummy because this is not how you toneread. You can't just assume that all people talk the same. (I've tried to lynch LS for bad grammar, it's a terrible idea). But just to prove this to be a bullshit read without a doubt, here are some highlights from the last game I played: Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 00:22 Palmar wrote:
This is actually kinda slam dunk here. Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 01:19 Palmar wrote:
I actually kinda like killing Oats, his filter is way worse than I thought. I gave him a tentative town read for calling koshi trash, but there's nothing that stops mafia from saying things that are true.
His filter is basically empty. Note that if you search my name and actually, it turns out I use that word incredibly often, but I chose these two posts as an example because it's very similar situations, I'm using "actually" to describe my realization that something is worth noticing, or as an emphasis that I'm having a realization. So not only is it a baseless and stupid accusation, it's very easily verifiable that it means nothing, something noobking clearly had no interest in doing. Even if I see people post smilies, I just go search through the last games and stuff to find out if that's just how they talk, or if it's relevant. The problem is that noobking is trying to stir shit with something that isn't shit. And he does it repeatedly. This is actually a great case  Oh and this part: Show nested quote +That said, I have no interest in eliminating Palmar from the game at this time, because several of his other posts (particularly ones during this Night Phase) reveal to me that he has a better-than-average understanding of the game mechanics and strategy. He understands the limitations on Day 1 scumhunting, he understands the reduced value of certain roleclaims, he understands the difference between a townlean/townread and "more likely to be town than scum." If he's town, he should eventually prove a strong asset in unraveling the game. I agree with this part. Although "better-than-average" is perhaps an unnecessarily weak description of my prowess. I'd have preferred something like "world-class".
We're killing noobking today.
I kinda want to point out that half the game has voted for NK or called him mafia (ff, conversion, rayn, moosey, ticktock, mocsta, disfo, me etc) but there seems to be a lot of resistance to building an actual wagon on him.
Like why am I throwing down the first vote here? HF scumread him since day 1.
I think it would be a grand idea to pile some votes onto noobking.
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Ok yeah, I'm finally back. Kinda got stuck with some RL stuff last 2 days. Just kinda quickly read up the last few pages.
Quick reply to n00bking firstly:
I was kind of hesitating on the first day vote, that was quite terrible and came about since I woke up at 6am trying to do a last minute decision before the deadline at 7am my time. Probably not the best of ideas. I made a snap judgement between the front runners and it was pretty much that. I'm also not too sure where you're reading fear from tbh, I've been nothing but very open and the fear/dodging that you want to attribute to me was more lack of time just having to keep up with the thread.
And also: "instead" of putting your vote on me.
So general game stuff:
Going by the flip on Holyflare and Vivax and assuming that both were targeted because their reads were on track, there's probably a pool of KelsierSC, Koshi, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, ticktock, fecalfeast there? I'd try and filter them out one by one later to take a look.
Can anyone point out which page was the start of the rels push, I want reread what the heck happened there since I was slightly sleep dazed and reading off a tablet.
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On March 23 2018 18:23 ykl wrote:
Ok yeah, I'm finally back. Kinda got stuck with some RL stuff last 2 days. Just kinda quickly read up the last few pages.
Quick reply to n00bking firstly:
I was kind of hesitating on the first day vote, that was quite terrible and came about since I woke up at 6am trying to do a last minute decision before the deadline at 7am my time. Probably not the best of ideas. I made a snap judgement between the front runners and it was pretty much that. I'm also not too sure where you're reading fear from tbh, I've been nothing but very open and the fear/dodging that you want to attribute to me was more lack of time just having to keep up with the thread.
And also: "instead" of putting your vote on me.
So general game stuff:
Going by the flip on Holyflare and Vivax and assuming that both were targeted because their reads were on track, there's probably a pool of KelsierSC, Koshi, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, ticktock, fecalfeast there? I'd try and filter them out one by one later to take a look.
Can anyone point out which page was the start of the rels push, I want reread what the heck happened there since I was slightly sleep dazed and reading off a tablet.
Rels was around the p70 zone.
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palmar
i shall sheep
##Vote: n00bking
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On March 23 2018 18:26 Mocsta wrote:
palmar
i shall sheep
##Vote: n00bking
good sheep.
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On March 23 2018 08:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Either Mocsta is vig and he gave a bad shot and rsoultin/darthfoley are mafia or Mocsta is mafia and rsoultin/darthfoley are town
Explain this inverse relationship.
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On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)
Guess I can let that HF stuff go.
Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?
Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).
Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading.
This feels astoundingly contrived. Why would someone post about the flips while admitting they aren't caught up enough on the thread to know anything about what they mean?
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On March 23 2018 18:36 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)
Guess I can let that HF stuff go.
Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?
Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).
Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading. This feels astoundingly contrived. Why would someone post about the flips while admitting they aren't caught up enough on the thread to know anything about what they mean?
I admit that I've only read about 20-30% of the game max. I still feel more qualified than any of yall to make decisions.
How does this make you feel?
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On March 23 2018 08:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If Mocsta is vig then Koshi is probably Mafia.
Why?
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