EPTA quick control + F of my filter shows I only mentioned his name or interacted with him 58 times. And I only called him scummy like 5 times. Truly terrible form by me and I will commit time and energy to remedying this truly unfortunate circumstance
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
A quick control + F of my filter shows I only mentioned his name or interacted with him 58 times. And I only called him scummy like 5 times. Truly terrible form by me and I will commit time and energy to remedying this truly unfortunate circumstance | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
I'll read your filter later df. Hopefully what you say is true. Palmar seems like a friend to town. At least we think alike. I have like 6 names I could lynch today. At best there is 3 mafia in them. 1 mafia is probably within my townier people so that is why my townier people need to democratically vote within the 6. Highest chance to hit mafia. Dont only advocate for your own lynch. Think globally. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On March 23 2018 07:59 Mocsta wrote: im lost this game, truly lost & also done some really stupid things. I only read OP pre-game, so when I received my 1-shot VIG post, I really did think mafia could only be strongman/backup. OUCH. ANYWAYS, i expect to be shot & RB tonight, so backup scores a free KP. this is my bad, and I cant take the actions back. I tried my best to make it look fake since, hence, no claiming EoD1. My reference to slam was because, he had this post where he claimed hmmm, 1-shot vig. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?page=37#736 I thought this meant he had a 1-shot role (thus would be town).. reading the OP later, scum can also be 1-shot. Unfortunately, this doesnt help then. Its very odd that rsoultin doesnt follow this up with me and demand I say the tell. If I wasnt going to vig by the rules, I would prob shoot rsoultin this cycle as a dark horse with low risk for demoralising town. Who are my trusted town reads:
My guess for scum combination is that the 95% of actives are town and this is all in-fighting for OMGUS and EGO. Something like ExO_ / FF and one of the actives (perhaps one of rsoultin or HF) makes some sense to me. Like, I dont have a problem rsoultin is lost. I am lost.. however, the way she is manouvering to call me scum is interesting. I find it overly cautious - e.g. claiming pocketing etc. I find this an evolved version of being apologetic - hence scummy. Anyways, if my vig shot does go through, I have decided to shoot ExO_. This is because I want to clear some thoughts up for Vivax, and I also think ExO is over apologetically scummy & in the trash tier. WIN-WIN for vig shot (if it goes through.. otherwise, sorry. hard game this one) Ah, this explains Exo dying. So then 2 mafia KP? Wonder if this means only 4 mafia or if there was a save? | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:19 rsoultin wrote: How is he confirmed town? I'll admit an ExO shot is weird for scum tho unless they were bluereading him His post makes sense from my PoV. I was expecting 3 mafia KP kus 5 mafia makes sense and that's suggested in OP. He shoots Exo and see's 2 mafia KP, so seems like their was either a save or there is 4 mafia. Doesn't make sense to me why a scum!Mocsta who fake claimed a Vig shot on Exo would make that post about a save. It would just be giving town extra info right? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 23 2018 09:05 Palmar wrote: hey rsoultin. I need exactly three answers from you: a) Do we trust this new koshi? Is he improved? Is he better than the original one? b) What do you think of rayn? Tell me how you really feel. c) Do you miss HF? I miss HF. I like him fine? I think it's easier for him to hide as scum in his current way of play, but I have no reason to think that's the case here. Two minds on rayn. Early tone says town. Some of his later posts as well. He's tricked me before now that he knows how I read him though. He also hasn't pushed me which could be his read getting better but I have nothing but obs to base that on. Not in the limelight fits both minds. Though I'm beginning to think I should have missed HF more yeah lol >< | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On March 23 2018 08:51 darthfoley wrote: The convo rise and fall is a vaild comment, but that is after the fact of chaos breaking out. If a volcano explodes, you cant hold it against people for stampeding over others. To me, the volcano erupting was disformation claim as follows.Logically speaking, taking Mocsta's claim at face value, Conversion and n00bking are almost surely 1 scum between them. Perhaps two, but idk. I just can't get over how quickly Conversion's wagon fell off. And n00bking was stuck at 4(?) votes forever in a pretty volatile EoD where votes were going all over the place When I went to bed (6-8hrs before lynch) n00bking was already off the noose. disformation [5]: Koshi, n00bking, KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare This is relatively stable as represents 50% of the player count in 2 horses.n00bking [5]: Conversion, However, by the time I woke up (~1hr before lynch), it was the tightness of votes that made things unpredictable. n00bking [3]: Conversion, This is why it felt intense. Not because a wagon fell off, but because 5 horses were in the race separated by 1 vote. Coin flipping and hence the volcano erupted. KelsierSC [3]: ExO_, darthfoley, Vivax Rels [2]: Mocsta, rsoultin darthfoley [2]: KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet Mocsta [2]: disformation [1]: The conversion wagon accelerates from 0 to 6. Conversion [6]: Koshi, darthfoley, disformation, rsoultin, Mocsta, MoosyDoosy Im looking at this differently to DF. Even though conversion had a peak of 6, the end voters are all twitchy and in panic/paranoia. the count of 6 is misleading and this is still a 4-5horse race.darthfoley [3]: KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet, Conversion Mocsta [2]: KelsierSC [2]: ExO_, with HF still campaigning for my lynch the state changes to this. Mocsta [4]: darthfoley [3]: KelsierSC, Rels [3]: Conversion [2]: Koshi, darthfoley, KelsierSC [2]: ExO_, and then we know the final outcome Rels [7]: Mocsta [4]: darthfoley [3]: KelsierSC, Conversion [1]: Koshi, KelsierSC [1]: n00bking [1]: disformation [1]: This all makes me feel better about rsoultin actually. Im back to common ground. Both of us were caught in the panic and stress of where to place vote when preferred lynch pool is not in the equation. As scum, i would only be panicked here if a buddy was in the top 3 wagons; otherwise there is absolute freedom to park a vote and sideline comment. Regardless of votes and horses, the people being actively campaigned when it mattered the most was: Conversion + me + Rels. I dont know how to explain it, because too much is still being digested above; however, I cant shake this feeling of n00bking, darthfoley and tictock | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
i dont like & am now willing to lynch. p100 is really terrible. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
1) ykl - Seems to me to be playing entirely out of fear. He mentioned early on that he's used to scum being more passive, and it's hard to be much more passive than what he has been. There's a lot of timidity and caution in his posts, including the several minutes that rsoul noticed it took him to craft a nothing-post about where he'd placed his vote, when he didn't even seem to have much interest in placing a vote at all. If he's town, and has played a bunch of real-life mafia, what's he so afraid of, when trying mafia-by-forum? Afraid of being scumread...afraid of making wrong reads...afraid of being mislynched. But he should be very used to making wrong reads as town, and very used to other players making wrong reads too (sometimes even by scumreading him while he's town). If he's scum, and has played a bunch of real-life mafia, what's he so afraid of, when trying mafia-by-forum? Afraid of screwing up and being caught. I think this is a much bigger motivator of fear, and would rather easily explain the caution, the timidity, the reluctance to take positions and place votes, etc. It also explains his hesitance to get involved in any of my attempts to talk to him, after I quickly identified his nervousness in our early exchange. Could he be town and hiding from me? Yeah, I guess. But it's easier to understand him hiding from me if he's not. 2) Alakaslam - Town players will be wrongfully accused all of the time. His overreaction (there was only one person voting against him) hardly looks justified, to me. I'll ask for some more perspective on it, from people who have seen him play more often than I have. Does he sometimes pull this "take my ball and go home" response when scumread as town? Does he sometimes pull this "take my ball and go home" response when scumread as scum? This is a different type of fear-based game than ykl's. Instead of playing scared, it uses our own fear as a weapon against us. Fear that if he's on our team but we keep needling him, he'll continue to take his ball and go home. We'll get nothing from him, as a teammate. No reads, no vote, not even any POSTS. So the only way to derive any value from him will be if we're nice, and stop trying to pressure him. This would make him a bad town teammate at best, but I think the motivation for a scum player to set up circumstances where he can use any sort of pressure as an excuse to refrain from posting and voting are obvious. 3) Coagulation - Posts to say hi, but has no comment on the game. Later returns during N1 to tell us that he has caught up on reading the thread. Still has no comment on the game. Lets the Night Phase expire, but still has no comment on the game. A scum player may feel no compunction to comment on the game yet, they can most likely just do so on Day 2. But a town player who isn't really being scumread by anyone (no real reason to think the scum team would view him as a high misynch candidate) doesn't know he'll be around on Day 2. How does this Town player invest ALL the time it took to read the 85-page thread, and then risk the possibility of being killed before he gets to say A WORD about what he thought of that 85-page thread? Unforgivable. It's considerably worse, if Coagulation is any sort of a decent Town player. That would increase the odds that his thoughts would be carefully read and considered, had he only bothered to post them. And would increase the odds that the Mafia would be content to eliminate him before he gets a chance to participate, if he doesn't post them. So, is Coagulation any sort of a decent Town player? Or is he another guy like Slam or FF, who assures us that he wields no influence, and that no one ever would listen to anything he had to say? Because that's the only scenario where I can make sense of a town player reading an 85-page thread, and then risking his own death before he gets to tell us ANYthing about what he thought of those 85 pages. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On March 23 2018 10:09 Mocsta wrote: btw. darthfoley is throwing out lots of insinuations and letting others fill the gap. i dont like & am now willing to lynch. p100 is really terrible. I've played like 6 games in a row and i'm burned out. I don't have the drive to filter dive hardcore so i'm playing lazy. I can see why people don't like it but i'm probably not gonna get too inspired. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Firstly, can someone who wants to lynch me do me and the rest of the game of giving some reasons? As far as I can tell right now it's kus HF made that EoN post about me right before he flipped town. For anyone who cares to check HF's scumread on me was like 90% OMGUS kus I was starting to think he could be scum. But w/e I have thoroughly decided that I am prioritizing RL over this game, and you all are free to lynch me if you want. Prepare to be dissapointed though. I still think NK has a solid chance of being mafia (I'm noting that he is jumping on thread sentiment on me today and not pushing his own reads still). Palmar also feels like he is playing below his normal hyper-pushy town but keeping himself looking productive enough from being on most people's radar. Slam and the y-dude (keep forgetting what 3 letters are in his name) seem to have mostly stopped posting, though I understand Slam had a fit I should probably read at some point. Ryan is also on my mind as I still feel it was spooky how confident he was Moosy was town early on, and terrible NK wifom. Those are the people I'm considering scum off the top of my head. Oh and Coag nees to be forced to play kus otherwise what the hell was the point in him replacing? If you offer to replace and still do shit all, you might as well do us the favor of getting yourself modkilled. I think DF is pretty likely Town now that he fully dropped the RP, I like Conversion's fire. Don't lynch them. I'm definitely warming up more and more to the idea of Rsoul being town as well. I want to see more from Dis. @Disformation, can you give me a paragraph or two of where your head is at in this game? When you are awake enough to at least put minimal thought into it. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Mocsta rsoultin darthfoley Koshi MoosyDoosy ^ People who I will never consider lynching today Conversion is almost a stretch, but I recall him having a fairly weak scum game and so far all I see from him is spit and fire when reacting to being called scum. I feel like he would try to be more appeasing to people, but his attitude is pretty much just "fuck you" Maybe I'm selling his scum game short, but I'm going with my gut here. I will probably waffle about Koshi later on, but I'm getting mostly town vibes from him and I suspect given time he will prove himself town. If by D4 he still hasn't then he prob should be lynched. | ||
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Can you explain to me why you ended up voting Rels? I noticed you never joined the Conversion wagon, which as far as I could tell from your filter was kus of this. On March 22 2018 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Conversion is going to flip town because there is absolutely no way both darthfoley and disformation are town. Yet you joined the Rels wagon very late Rels [7]: Colors should be representing Rayn's reads D1, unless I missed anything. I actually could not find a read on Exo. So I'm wondering why you felt uncomfortable lynching Conversion (who was a null read for you) because you felt two people on that wagon were mafia, but you joined the Rels wagon with 2 people you scumread. I could not find anything explaining why "rel's looks terrible" which is all I saw in your filter about him. This strikes me as odd as I know you two are quite familiar with each other and generally have some respect for each other's town game. I'm very surprised to see you vote with your scum reads on someone who is potentially a strong town player, without having very good reasons. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On March 23 2018 12:07 Conversion wrote: oh you mean you want to see what he can do. nvm. I’m going to bed I’ll be better tomorrow and for the weekend I want to see where his head is at, yea. I still need to read through and see why he claimed. Tbh it is rather odd Mafia did not shoot into either of Mocsta or Dis. Idk why but I feel like Mafia are quite likely to have a strongarm this game, and Dis prob should have died. Though it's not impossible they left him alive for WIFOM. Mocsta is a bit less of a mystery kus his claim did not come off as totally legit and partially a joke. Though I think both his mistake about mafia not having an RB and reaction to figuring out that mistake made it fairly obv he was actually a vig. Like from what I can tell Mafia avoided shooting into any of the claims? Serious or not. Can anyone confirm or deny that for me? | ||
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