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Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
March 23 2018 11:47 GMT
#2121
man you are right back into no good feelings n00bking

good thing I wanted to lynch you D1 as that’s all my filter is about

##bote: n00bking
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
March 23 2018 11:50 GMT
#2122
also to the people pointing my meta last game and saying it’s different, ergo I am suspicious:

this might be a good argument had I only played like two games here, but you can’t use just one game as a measuring stick. I even have a scum game here where I got lynched for shitty play on D1.. that should be your comparison, not a town game where I believe I played well D1 and then did almost nothing but sound nice afterwards
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
March 23 2018 11:52 GMT
#2123
also recent posts here give me good vibes about people who jumped on me, so I’m now wondering whether the 6 votes on me was a pure wagon.. hm. contrary to my previous opinion of that wagon not being pure
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 23 2018 12:22 GMT
#2124
aight. TT:
i think i am okay with his d1 stuff.
On March 23 2018 11:44 Tictock wrote:
OMG, I'm actually caught up (still not the stuff from D1 though, don't get yer hopes up).

Firstly, can someone who wants to lynch me do me and the rest of the game of giving some reasons?

As far as I can tell right now it's kus HF made that EoN post about me right before he flipped town. For anyone who cares to check HF's scumread on me was like 90% OMGUS kus I was starting to think he could be scum.

But w/e I have thoroughly decided that I am prioritizing RL over this game, and you all are free to lynch me if you want. Prepare to be dissapointed though.

I still think NK has a solid chance of being mafia (I'm noting that he is jumping on thread sentiment on me today and not pushing his own reads still). Palmar also feels like he is playing below his normal hyper-pushy town but keeping himself looking productive enough from being on most people's radar. Slam and the y-dude (keep forgetting what 3 letters are in his name) seem to have mostly stopped posting, though I understand Slam had a fit I should probably read at some point. Ryan is also on my mind as I still feel it was spooky how confident he was Moosy was town early on, and terrible NK wifom.

Those are the people I'm considering scum off the top of my head. Oh and Coag nees to be forced to play kus otherwise what the hell was the point in him replacing? If you offer to replace and still do shit all, you might as well do us the favor of getting yourself modkilled.

I think DF is pretty likely Town now that he fully dropped the RP, I like Conversion's fire. Don't lynch them. I'm definitely warming up more and more to the idea of Rsoul being town as well.

I want to see more from Dis.

@Disformation, can you give me a paragraph or two of where your head is at in this game? When you are awake enough to at least put minimal thought into it.

felt was more like he thought you were defending mocsta, who he thought was very likely scum, a lot and thought that should mocsta be town you would be likely to be scum for tmi n stuff. yeah there could have been some bias, but dont think that was the main reason.
that being said you defending mocsta lines up with your d1 read on him, so not sure if i agree with hf here.

think i want tt to finish reading all the stuff and see what he says after that, since most of his actual posts are decent.

i also saw tt's question to me, but lemme look at another post before i do that.
On March 23 2018 10:17 n00bKing wrote:
Some talking points for Day 2:

1) ykl - Seems to me to be playing entirely out of fear. He mentioned early on that he's used to scum being more passive, and it's hard to be much more passive than what he has been. There's a lot of timidity and caution in his posts, including the several minutes that rsoul noticed it took him to craft a nothing-post about where he'd placed his vote, when he didn't even seem to have much interest in placing a vote at all.

If he's town, and has played a bunch of real-life mafia, what's he so afraid of, when trying mafia-by-forum? Afraid of being scumread...afraid of making wrong reads...afraid of being mislynched. But he should be very used to making wrong reads as town, and very used to other players making wrong reads too (sometimes even by scumreading him while he's town).

If he's scum, and has played a bunch of real-life mafia, what's he so afraid of, when trying mafia-by-forum? Afraid of screwing up and being caught. I think this is a much bigger motivator of fear, and would rather easily explain the caution, the timidity, the reluctance to take positions and place votes, etc. It also explains his hesitance to get involved in any of my attempts to talk to him, after I quickly identified his nervousness in our early exchange. Could he be town and hiding from me? Yeah, I guess. But it's easier to understand him hiding from me if he's not.

2) Alakaslam - Town players will be wrongfully accused all of the time. His overreaction (there was only one person voting against him) hardly looks justified, to me. I'll ask for some more perspective on it, from people who have seen him play more often than I have. Does he sometimes pull this "take my ball and go home" response when scumread as town? Does he sometimes pull this "take my ball and go home" response when scumread as scum?

This is a different type of fear-based game than ykl's. Instead of playing scared, it uses our own fear as a weapon against us. Fear that if he's on our team but we keep needling him, he'll continue to take his ball and go home. We'll get nothing from him, as a teammate. No reads, no vote, not even any POSTS. So the only way to derive any value from him will be if we're nice, and stop trying to pressure him. This would make him a bad town teammate at best, but I think the motivation for a scum player to set up circumstances where he can use any sort of pressure as an excuse to refrain from posting and voting are obvious.

3) Coagulation - Posts to say hi, but has no comment on the game. Later returns during N1 to tell us that he has caught up on reading the thread. Still has no comment on the game. Lets the Night Phase expire, but still has no comment on the game.

A scum player may feel no compunction to comment on the game yet, they can most likely just do so on Day 2. But a town player who isn't really being scumread by anyone (no real reason to think the scum team would view him as a high misynch candidate) doesn't know he'll be around on Day 2.

How does this Town player invest ALL the time it took to read the 85-page thread, and then risk the possibility of being killed before he gets to say A WORD about what he thought of that 85-page thread? Unforgivable.

It's considerably worse, if Coagulation is any sort of a decent Town player. That would increase the odds that his thoughts would be carefully read and considered, had he only bothered to post them. And would increase the odds that the Mafia would be content to eliminate him before he gets a chance to participate, if he doesn't post them.

So, is Coagulation any sort of a decent Town player? Or is he another guy like Slam or FF, who assures us that he wields no influence, and that no one ever would listen to anything he had to say? Because that's the only scenario where I can make sense of a town player reading an 85-page thread, and then risking his own death before he gets to tell us ANYthing about what he thought of those 85 pages.

well, what a bunch of coinflips.
ykl at least seems new to forum mafia and overwhelmed. can he be both as scum? sure. is there a lot of content to go on: no. would I like to be in lylo with him as things stand: no. so dunno. is there a super good reason to lynch with fire rn: not rly. hope we have a cop or something.
slam: dunno not even voting is imo always a bit risky/weird for scum imo. gut feeling also says he is slightly more likely to be town. think ill trust rs on that. she said he is prolly town earlier.
coag: plamar was suggesting he always plays like this. don't really know. if so I would like to trade my vest against a vig shot. pure coin flip? would actually like some ppl confirming that he always plays like this. if he doesn't there is actually a good scum chance here.
what do you think of fefe @nk?

some reeds:
still think rs is town.
starting to like plammar more and more since n1.
not a huge fan of conv, but i am starting to think that might be a playstyle difference thing, so getting the waffles. don't think he is impossible to be scum, so slight scum lean, but might not be the lynch today.
slam, ykl, coag see above.
mocsta very probable town.
havent see ksc in ages. last time i thought about him he was fairly town.
didnt like emo rayn. might be scum if still alive like d4 or something.

need to look at df again.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 23 2018 12:29 GMT
#2125
i also hate that i have constantly like 10 tabs of this game open and forget which one is which.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 23 2018 12:32 GMT
#2126
@hoshi: what you think of fefe and his reaction to you having him deep mafia?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 23 2018 12:34 GMT
#2127
@ksc @slam come back and play.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 23 2018 12:39 GMT
#2128
@plammar: how sheepable do you feel today? like on a scale from 1-10.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 23 2018 12:56 GMT
#2129
would really like an updated opinion from ksc on df.
vivi didnt think df is scum.
On March 23 2018 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 07:58 Holyflare wrote:
My dying wishes:

If mocsta is town lynch ticktock 10/10 times. It's not a towny thought process to defend someone from a case before you read the case ever. It's ridiculous. Then he's trying to push me as mafia because I backed off nk....? Wtf is he even reading.

When you've done that you either kill Fecalfeast or he claims blue. Either or.

Don't let rsoultin slide away doing not much. Don't think she's having any usual impact. If I die one of the usual top town people looking people (not in this game) are mafia so look into rsoul/palmar/vivax/koshi etc.

Don't really agree with rayn on df fight but dude seems ok. Koshi seems ok. Slam not voting would be a dick move to team mates. Coag seal. Forget most people in this game really. Don't sleep on palmar, he's playing his mafia meta right now but I wanna see where it goes. Like the drive on nk.


Actually I kinda did like rayn at the end of the df fight. Df seems to falter. Chase up on that.

hmmm...

i still kinda like the tone in a bunch of df's posts. not sure about the content though.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 23 2018 12:58 GMT
#2130
aight. imma do some work at work and check back later when there are actual ppl around to bounce ideas off of of of. off?
sry for the clutter.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 23 2018 13:04 GMT
#2131
Yeah lol trusting me to be right may be a bad idea this game ><

@nk the mostly afk players reads don't really interest me. The only one that comes close is the ykl read.

To be able to read you id need you to comment on other things that have more content in the thread. Even if all three of those were scum there would have to be at least another somewhere.

Also, why is ff missing if you've decided today is the day to discuss afkers?

Not interested in the dick measuring who voted who and who was bad in a previous game argument @.@ it has absolutely no relevance to this game

Let's pretend I give you the benefit of the sound and say yes losing a town nk would cripple us and we'd have no chance of winning. Now convince me you're town rather than trying to scare people about losing town god noobking.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 23 2018 13:07 GMT
#2132
hi rs.
was wondering the same thing about nk not having fefe, which is why i asked him.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 23 2018 13:08 GMT
#2133
also did you do your run on df yet?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 23 2018 13:13 GMT
#2134
Nah, just got in. Think I'm gonna plop down a vote though and look over the game at my leisure. I was going to look specifically into the points mocsta raised. Did you have something else on DF that you wanted looked at?

@Conv

Noted. So why did you drop your better behavior conv this game?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 23 2018 13:17 GMT
#2135
On March 23 2018 22:13 rsoultin wrote:
Nah, just got in. Think I'm gonna plop down a vote though and look over the game at my leisure. I was going to look specifically into the points mocsta raised. Did you have something else on DF that you wanted looked at?

@Conv

Noted. So why did you drop your better behavior conv this game?

mh im kinda ignoring his rp thing.
guess it is his last few pages.
tone. df vs rayn. his stuff on nk and the 1 scum in conv/nk thing.

tbh i always have problems reading into rayn fighting with other ppl. though i guess i just trust in the hf post i quoted earlier.
ykl
Profile Joined September 2012
Malaysia541 Posts
March 23 2018 13:17 GMT
#2136
On March 23 2018 19:35 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 18:23 ykl wrote:
Going by the flip on Holyflare and Vivax and assuming that both were targeted because their reads were on track

What would lead you to this assumption?

Its not really a complicated thought process. Scum notices them getting suspected -> scum panics -> scum kills to get people off their trail. Its pretty much the simplest conclusion possible and probably the dumbest one but I'm a really stupid person so I'll go with this first before considering the paranoia theory that they were targeted because they're wrong to sow some confusion.

Unless you have a better suggestion for me to look into, I'll give it my utmost consideration.
There is no need to be mad.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 23 2018 13:25 GMT
#2137
On March 23 2018 22:17 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 22:13 rsoultin wrote:
Nah, just got in. Think I'm gonna plop down a vote though and look over the game at my leisure. I was going to look specifically into the points mocsta raised. Did you have something else on DF that you wanted looked at?

@Conv

Noted. So why did you drop your better behavior conv this game?

mh im kinda ignoring his rp thing.
guess it is his last few pages.
tone. df vs rayn. his stuff on nk and the 1 scum in conv/nk thing.

tbh i always have problems reading into rayn fighting with other ppl. though i guess i just could trust in the hf post i quoted earlier.

ebwop
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 23 2018 13:26 GMT
#2138
aight. nk is by far the best lynch as of now.
lemme sheeple.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 23 2018 13:29 GMT
#2139
Btw where is ksc?
Computer says mafia
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
March 23 2018 13:31 GMT
#2140
On March 23 2018 22:13 rsoultin wrote:
Nah, just got in. Think I'm gonna plop down a vote though and look over the game at my leisure. I was going to look specifically into the points mocsta raised. Did you have something else on DF that you wanted looked at?

@Conv

Noted. So why did you drop your better behavior conv this game?


I'm still not at the drama-queen stage yet so I think I'm doing fine, so better behavior compared to what? I have non game related reasons why I was slightly testy D1/N1, but it's rather annoying that you blew off your chain at me first and then expect the same level of respect back as you did in Vendee. Granted I was in a better mood when you tried to OMGUS me in Vendee, but again, I'm not a robot and you seriously can't expect me to be the same every game.
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