[M] Classic Mafia - Page 107

On March 23 2018 11:44 Tictock wrote:
OMG, I'm actually caught up (still not the stuff from D1 though, don't get yer hopes up).

Firstly, can someone who wants to lynch me do me and the rest of the game of giving some reasons?

As far as I can tell right now it's kus HF made that EoN post about me right before he flipped town. For anyone who cares to check HF's scumread on me was like 90% OMGUS kus I was starting to think he could be scum.

But w/e I have thoroughly decided that I am prioritizing RL over this game, and you all are free to lynch me if you want. Prepare to be dissapointed though.

I still think NK has a solid chance of being mafia (I'm noting that he is jumping on thread sentiment on me today and not pushing his own reads still). Palmar also feels like he is playing below his normal hyper-pushy town but keeping himself looking productive enough from being on most people's radar. Slam and the y-dude (keep forgetting what 3 letters are in his name) seem to have mostly stopped posting, though I understand Slam had a fit I should probably read at some point. Ryan is also on my mind as I still feel it was spooky how confident he was Moosy was town early on, and terrible NK wifom.

Those are the people I'm considering scum off the top of my head. Oh and Coag nees to be forced to play kus otherwise what the hell was the point in him replacing? If you offer to replace and still do shit all, you might as well do us the favor of getting yourself modkilled.

I think DF is pretty likely Town now that he fully dropped the RP, I like Conversion's fire. Don't lynch them. I'm definitely warming up more and more to the idea of Rsoul being town as well.

I want to see more from Dis.

@Disformation, can you give me a paragraph or two of where your head is at in this game? When you are awake enough to at least put minimal thought into it.

On March 23 2018 10:17 n00bKing wrote:
Some talking points for Day 2:

1) ykl - Seems to me to be playing entirely out of fear. He mentioned early on that he's used to scum being more passive, and it's hard to be much more passive than what he has been. There's a lot of timidity and caution in his posts, including the several minutes that rsoul noticed it took him to craft a nothing-post about where he'd placed his vote, when he didn't even seem to have much interest in placing a vote at all.

If he's town, and has played a bunch of real-life mafia, what's he so afraid of, when trying mafia-by-forum? Afraid of being scumread...afraid of making wrong reads...afraid of being mislynched. But he should be very used to making wrong reads as town, and very used to other players making wrong reads too (sometimes even by scumreading him while he's town).

If he's scum, and has played a bunch of real-life mafia, what's he so afraid of, when trying mafia-by-forum? Afraid of screwing up and being caught. I think this is a much bigger motivator of fear, and would rather easily explain the caution, the timidity, the reluctance to take positions and place votes, etc. It also explains his hesitance to get involved in any of my attempts to talk to him, after I quickly identified his nervousness in our early exchange. Could he be town and hiding from me? Yeah, I guess. But it's easier to understand him hiding from me if he's not.

2) Alakaslam - Town players will be wrongfully accused all of the time. His overreaction (there was only one person voting against him) hardly looks justified, to me. I'll ask for some more perspective on it, from people who have seen him play more often than I have. Does he sometimes pull this "take my ball and go home" response when scumread as town? Does he sometimes pull this "take my ball and go home" response when scumread as scum?

This is a different type of fear-based game than ykl's. Instead of playing scared, it uses our own fear as a weapon against us. Fear that if he's on our team but we keep needling him, he'll continue to take his ball and go home. We'll get nothing from him, as a teammate. No reads, no vote, not even any POSTS. So the only way to derive any value from him will be if we're nice, and stop trying to pressure him. This would make him a bad town teammate at best, but I think the motivation for a scum player to set up circumstances where he can use any sort of pressure as an excuse to refrain from posting and voting are obvious.

3) Coagulation - Posts to say hi, but has no comment on the game. Later returns during N1 to tell us that he has caught up on reading the thread. Still has no comment on the game. Lets the Night Phase expire, but still has no comment on the game.

A scum player may feel no compunction to comment on the game yet, they can most likely just do so on Day 2. But a town player who isn't really being scumread by anyone (no real reason to think the scum team would view him as a high misynch candidate) doesn't know he'll be around on Day 2.

How does this Town player invest ALL the time it took to read the 85-page thread, and then risk the possibility of being killed before he gets to say A WORD about what he thought of that 85-page thread? Unforgivable.

It's considerably worse, if Coagulation is any sort of a decent Town player. That would increase the odds that his thoughts would be carefully read and considered, had he only bothered to post them. And would increase the odds that the Mafia would be content to eliminate him before he gets a chance to participate, if he doesn't post them.

So, is Coagulation any sort of a decent Town player? Or is he another guy like Slam or FF, who assures us that he wields no influence, and that no one ever would listen to anything he had to say? Because that's the only scenario where I can make sense of a town player reading an 85-page thread, and then risking his own death before he gets to tell us ANYthing about what he thought of those 85 pages.

On March 23 2018 07:59 Holyflare wrote:


Actually I kinda did like rayn at the end of the df fight. Df seems to falter. Chase up on that.

On March 23 2018 22:13 rsoultin wrote:
Nah, just got in. Think I'm gonna plop down a vote though and look over the game at my leisure. I was going to look specifically into the points mocsta raised. Did you have something else on DF that you wanted looked at?

@Conv

Noted. So why did you drop your better behavior conv this game?

On March 23 2018 19:35 n00bKing wrote:

What would lead you to this assumption?

On March 23 2018 22:17 disformation wrote:

mh im kinda ignoring his rp thing.
guess it is his last few pages.
tone. df vs rayn. his stuff on nk and the 1 scum in conv/nk thing.

tbh i always have problems reading into rayn fighting with other ppl. though i guess i just could trust in the hf post i quoted earlier.

On March 23 2018 22:13 rsoultin wrote:
Nah, just got in. Think I'm gonna plop down a vote though and look over the game at my leisure. I was going to look specifically into the points mocsta raised. Did you have something else on DF that you wanted looked at?

@Conv

Noted. So why did you drop your better behavior conv this game?