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Apologies the ER was quite hectic over the past few days but I am off shift for a little while at least.
I am a little behind and truth be told was expecting to be lynched after my first real mess up with being on this site. At present I will field questions as I catch up and answer what I find were asked of me as I catch up.
Here for awhile.
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On January 23 2018 22:11 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2018 22:01 Holyflare wrote:On January 23 2018 21:52 rsoultin wrote:On January 23 2018 21:46 Holyflare wrote:On January 23 2018 21:09 rsoultin wrote:
It really irritates me that I can treat you respectfully while disagreeing about mocsta, and actually give your read enough credence to check literally every time you bring up a new point to see if I'm maybe wrong. And hell, maybe I am.
But you don't give me the courtesy of
1) Fully reading something I've worked quite some time on, and
2) Shit on it.
I don't care if you disagree. That's fine. (Well, I do a little, but that has more to do with wanting to persuade people.) Downplaying it pisses me off. ?????? Nevermind. I think I'm just oversensitive. Did you read my spoilers? It's in pretty colors to make it easy to compare. I legitimately would like to know why you don't find the case convincing, if it's more than what I mentioned just a moment ago. @Rels...maybe. I really am not sure on things like that. The way I play scum, my issue tends to be ignoring my teammates because I don't know what to do with them. But I recognize others may play differently. It's different absolutely from his other games but it's just my points that I'm hesitant over. Knowing mafia so well it's counter intuitive to me to raise a meta point that's going to backfire and be wrong or get disproven. The meta point wasn't wrong, technically. At least from the two games we have here on TL that they were both in, which is admittedly a very small pool. It was just entirely misused. It's like...I got lynched Day One on some site rayn invited me to with cake where they both rolled mafia. This happened because rayn said that I'd recently called out a whole mafia team before a single flip (true, but that was Himalayas and easily the best town game I've ever played, nor was my Day One play amazing) and thus I must be scum for being underwhelming. He used something true entirely inappropriately to get his lynch. At least some of the meta that Damerion used was true. For instance, his assertion that Damdred usually townhunts Day One (this is part of how I know Damdred to play, too). But it was unnuanced. He didn't wait long enough to test his newly-developed meta read against Damdred's play. He certainly didn't wait long enough to test Damdred's usage of 'like'. This is fine if his approach had been: I'm seeing some things that don't look like Damdred's town game, and he hasn't said a word I expect him to say yet. Could be scum. ^ That makes sense to me with new meta you're testing that early in the game. The certainty behind the case doesn't. I'm saying that he used a scalpel he'd never tested like a bludgeon. And given his success in previous games, I'm not inclined to write it off as newbie eagerness. He's obviously not knew to mafia, just TL Mafia. Which makes sense; Damdred brought me here from another site where we played mafia together as well.
Sure mocsta I will give my impression on this first,
It might of been a small pool where we have played together, but Damdred has a remarkably large pool of games to pull from. Also it is not beyond the realm of possibility that in our long conversations Damdred and I discussed some aspects of how each other approaches the game. In any case he was town and i was wrong, it is not exactly inexplicable to come to the conclusion especially considering his follow up in the thread, reactions to the pressure.
The next point using an example of where Rsoultin went to another site and got used does not apply in this situation for a very real reason. She went to another site where no person really knew her except for the people pushing her lynch. This is Damdreds home, everyone knows how he plays his habits. Quite frankly this point does not apply to this.
It was simple I am supremely confident in my ability to read the game and make decisions. And I believe highly even at this moment I will find scum and will not be lynched, in fact after the night is over I believe you will be unable to lynch me.
The case I feel does not apply in this situation imo.
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On January 24 2018 01:48 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2018 22:11 rsoultin wrote:On January 23 2018 22:01 Holyflare wrote:On January 23 2018 21:52 rsoultin wrote:On January 23 2018 21:46 Holyflare wrote:On January 23 2018 21:09 rsoultin wrote:
It really irritates me that I can treat you respectfully while disagreeing about mocsta, and actually give your read enough credence to check literally every time you bring up a new point to see if I'm maybe wrong. And hell, maybe I am.
But you don't give me the courtesy of
1) Fully reading something I've worked quite some time on, and
2) Shit on it.
I don't care if you disagree. That's fine. (Well, I do a little, but that has more to do with wanting to persuade people.) Downplaying it pisses me off. ?????? Nevermind. I think I'm just oversensitive. Did you read my spoilers? It's in pretty colors to make it easy to compare. I legitimately would like to know why you don't find the case convincing, if it's more than what I mentioned just a moment ago. @Rels...maybe. I really am not sure on things like that. The way I play scum, my issue tends to be ignoring my teammates because I don't know what to do with them. But I recognize others may play differently. It's different absolutely from his other games but it's just my points that I'm hesitant over. Knowing mafia so well it's counter intuitive to me to raise a meta point that's going to backfire and be wrong or get disproven. The meta point wasn't wrong, technically. At least from the two games we have here on TL that they were both in, which is admittedly a very small pool. It was just entirely misused. It's like...I got lynched Day One on some site rayn invited me to with cake where they both rolled mafia. This happened because rayn said that I'd recently called out a whole mafia team before a single flip (true, but that was Himalayas and easily the best town game I've ever played, nor was my Day One play amazing) and thus I must be scum for being underwhelming. He used something true entirely inappropriately to get his lynch. At least some of the meta that Damerion used was true. For instance, his assertion that Damdred usually townhunts Day One (this is part of how I know Damdred to play, too). But it was unnuanced. He didn't wait long enough to test his newly-developed meta read against Damdred's play. He certainly didn't wait long enough to test Damdred's usage of 'like'. This is fine if his approach had been: I'm seeing some things that don't look like Damdred's town game, and he hasn't said a word I expect him to say yet. Could be scum. ^ That makes sense to me with new meta you're testing that early in the game. The certainty behind the case doesn't. I'm saying that he used a scalpel he'd never tested like a bludgeon. And given his success in previous games, I'm not inclined to write it off as newbie eagerness. He's obviously not knew to mafia, just TL Mafia. Which makes sense; Damdred brought me here from another site where we played mafia together as well. Sure mocsta I will give my impression on this first, It might of been a small pool where we have played together, but Damdred has a remarkably large pool of games to pull from. Also it is not beyond the realm of possibility that in our long conversations Damdred and I discussed some aspects of how each other approaches the game. In any case he was town and i was wrong, it is not exactly inexplicable to come to the conclusion especially considering his follow up in the thread, reactions to the pressure. The next point using an example of where Rsoultin went to another site and got used does not apply in this situation for a very real reason. She went to another site where no person really knew her except for the people pushing her lynch. This is Damdreds home, everyone knows how he plays his habits. Quite frankly this point does not apply to this. It was simple I am supremely confident in my ability to read the game and make decisions. And I believe highly even at this moment I will find scum and will not be lynched, in fact after the night is over I believe you will be unable to lynch me. The case I feel does not apply in this situation imo.
That would probably be because it wasn't a case  My case is the second link. The whole point of the anecdote was to demonstrate that scum can twist true meta to push a lynch.
First off, I'm glad to see that you returned. Secondly, your confidence (and disengagement with the thread while active) does not seem to be mirrored in your prior town games here.
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Lol I really like where this is going. I'm confirmed not mafia after tonight
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But please, don't let me or my case stop you. The best way you can convince me is through play.
Although I am curious as to what made you pull the trigger on Damdred so quickly.
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my apologies, missed which one was the case but replying to both is the right decision in any case.
It is simple why I pulled the trigger so quickly, when I am confident I pull the trigger and generally I am correct. Look at my first game on this site, I pulled the trigger almost quicker on Grackanori than on Damdred. And as someone who look at my past games I am somewhat surprised that you make it seem I pulled the trigger quicker here than normal?
Neither is your claim about my confidence, my first game here I pegged the scum team day one and day two. Shot scum Night 2 and then lynched FecalFeast day two. It was only because of people refusing to lynch the person I put up day one that cost us the game when I eventually was killed.
As for the second and third game, I admit in one of my first few posts in the second game that I would be trying a different play style which led to a somewhat different result. But still led to very confident case on Grackanori (wrong whops) and one on Onegu (Correct).
In my third game I sheeped Damdred (who was scum) but was much less active in this game, lynched mafia day one. And got sideswiped by the bus.
So I think to say that my confidence is not mirrored my past games is disingenuous and honestly a twisting of what is shown. I will respond to your case in a moment.
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On January 23 2018 02:50 rsoultin wrote:Yes, evidence confirms my feeling that Damerion is much less engaged with the thread this game than he's been in his town games. I'm really trying not to gloat right now, let it be noted. Below are the posts from four games worth of filters that express reads on new people, or new reads on the same people. Please note that in this game he had three 'reads'...Damdred as scum, and Darth Foley and Mocsta as null. Also please note that the null reads given on the latter were solicited by Twatty and not volunteered independently. + Show Spoiler [This game] +On January 18 2018 21:56 Damerion wrote:
Good morning,
I have decided with careful conaideration that Damdred is scum over DarthFoley and Mocsta. Or at least that I would much rather lynch him over both and then reevaluate at that point.
But onto my main point, Damdred is an extremely meta based player and has used exactly 0 points of meta to make his reads this game.
He also is gòing about thw game in a way that is not typical of him, he generally town hunts and only goes after his scum reads day two instead of pushing early day one when he town hunts. He also usually goes off the beaten path and looks where others do not.
And look what he is doing here, he bases his scum read of DarthFoley off one post.
Also I have a slight meta read on Damdred on his word usuage, in that he uses certain words when explaining his reads and he does not use it in any of his posts.
I think Damdred is scum and you all should join me in voting him off.
##vote Damdred
On January 18 2018 22:18 Damerion wrote:
Currently I have very little to go on, mostly just nulls. I will update that as we go.
I am confident that my read on Damdred is correct however, there is clear scum motivation for what he is doing. On January 18 2018 22:38 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 22:18 Damerion wrote:
Currently I have very little to go on, mostly just nulls. I will update that as we go.
I am confident that my read on Damdred is correct however, there is clear scum motivation for what he is doing. What is your read on Mcosta Rico and DarthFoley? Damdred just admitted that his meta is to mustang/bus his teammates as mafia. As someone who states he knows his meta, what is your opinion on his reads on them. And what are yours reads on them? I think Damdred is overselling his ability to bus, he has stated multiple times in the past he wants to move away from bussing. And the onky reason he bussed in his last scum game was because it was an accident and his team accidently voted with him. Hes a smart player though. As for my read on Darthfoley, I think he is null one post does a case not make unless he claimed scum. I do not like Mocsta posts, however I do not think his ramblings are alignment indicative. So pressure him fine but I do not see it, strange yes but nothing beyond that. Now take a look at the Day One filters from the three town games he's played on this site. There are plenty of reads coming in all three of them, most unsolicited. If you want to pop in and look at his whole filter, it's true that he tends to focus on his strongest scumread and talk a lot about them, but this is not to the exclusion of evaluating the rest of the players in the game like it is in our game. + Show Spoiler [Day One in Previous Town Games] +HEROES OF THE STORM On November 01 2017 06:46 Damerion wrote:
Hello,
Entry post analysis
Conversion, nothing to go on.
Krogan is a bit to on the nose and seems to be made in hunor to be scum. Rsoultin note: I have no clue what he was trying to say here.
Will update on whos post I do not like as the day goes. On November 01 2017 07:53 Damerion wrote:
Shockey has the worst entrance tone wise, he complains on what reads llike a thread that is having fun in the early going (to me reads like totally town uo to that point).
He then makes another post about hoping he has more posts to work with when he geta back without adding to the game himself.
I am above 50% that he is scum at this point. On November 01 2017 08:34 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 08:28 ruXxar wrote:On November 01 2017 08:17 Damerion wrote:On November 01 2017 08:04 ruXxar wrote:On November 01 2017 08:02 Damerion wrote:
##vote ShoCkeyy[/b
I ask and expect you all to follow me on this.
@Damdred especially you. Slow down hotshot. When did you go from being mr waffly scum reader to becoming sherlock holmes? Did the cohost of my first game forget the resounding hammer I put on the whole scum team? You have good reads, I'll give you that. You just gotta work on being more convincing. No I need name recognition, if I had a larger name associated with me I would be followed much easier. And if memory serves I did find scum last game a couple of times, just was to afk to oersue those links at the time. In any case HolyFlare is also coming across disengenous at this point. On November 03 2017 03:44 Damerion wrote:
Hello,
I just woke up from my shift. As such I obviously have a lot of catching uo to do.
I have been trying to keep up with the thread right now and I am in the neighborhood of scum being in these five people.
Shockey/RuxXar/Ticktock/Zen
The fifth person I do not want to say quite yet as I do not want the gane to develop into a war if I am wrong.
But I feel like at least two mafia are in this group listed.
And as I filter dive I will place my vote on Shockey as a place holder.
Newbie Student Mafia XXVII On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. On October 13 2017 11:07 Damerion wrote:
That is how some people play mafia, I disagree that my first part is totally worthless. It is setting a standard of play, one that I hope to be able to approach the game with.
Secondly, I am unsure how expressing my feelings toward certain people makes you feel such a way. Be that as it may it is your right to play how you wish.
As for my read on Oatsmaster is that he is towny, his catch/pressure on RuxXar seems like it comes from town. It reads as if he is paying attention looking for little details that would make someone scum, and acts on it.
I do not know Oatsmaster scum range obviously but I am confidant that this action would more than likely come from town. On October 15 2017 00:57 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:51 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:48 Damerion wrote:Once again hello and like the proverbial Santa Clause I have brought a most interesting gift that I wish the thread to take a stance on and give their thoughts, and gut leanings. Firstly I read the Grackaroni and Oatsmaster exchanges and did not think much on it but as I was checking filters something very interesting popped out on me. The interesting thing is how Grackaroni treats Oatsmaster to start with and how he ends up treating him. On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster We first have his original read on Oats, it was novel at the time. He has something original to show the thread and does so, it gains him some surface town credit from several members of the town. On October 14 2017 03:58 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:55 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 03:50 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:24 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster to me he just looks like he pushes his own agenda and doesn't give a shit really http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526062-names-are-hard-2?user=OatsmasterI'm not seeing what you're seeing, so can you explain how he looks different in the first two games compared to this one? I'm going to guess that Oats is town in that game you linked and check before I post. Yeah ok HF/Damdred/Onegu were scum but obviously town is always a more likely guess since more people roll town. I do think he looks pretty different in both of those games in the way that he accuses people. In those 2 he throws out accusations without much fanfare. Hurricane: On September 29 2017 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 11:23 Damerion wrote:
Hello, I am glad to be here playing with you fine people. Damdred speaks highly of everyone here, and I hope the game is enjoyable.
I have two things that came to mind when I read what little of the game there is.
1) Grackaroni opening post, to put it bluntly is trash. At the same time he says nothing of value and tries to buddy fecalfeast (I assume) into making an alliance when it is impossible for him to know alignments.
Unless he is mafia, which associative read incoming means FecalFeast is more likely town for the way Grackaroni interacted with him.
2) I have come up with a pretty simple plan how to approach d1.
Step one: The marksman (vig), should claim as soon as town agrees with this plan (which they should).
Step two: We should use this power as a second lynch and have a vote in thread to direct the power.
Step three: Mafia is more than likely forced into a situation where they must let the Vigilante shoot and kill him, or roleblock him. The simplest solution is to put the watcher on the Vigilante N1.
Step Four: The medic should be off doing medic things more than likely on another target, if the mafia send the godfather and kill the Vigilante nothing is lost, if they roleblock him we instantly have a one and one trade.
Step Five: I assume medic cannot protect multiple nights in a row, therefore if the Vigilante survives the medic should protect him here and the Watcher should look elsewhere.
This plan gives us the most information that we can control and boxes the mafia into only a few moves they can make early in the game.
I think we should follow this plan. mafia On September 29 2017 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 12:21 Damerion wrote:
I am unsure why you have me as mafia Oatsmaster, could you expound on why you think that?
Vivax why is directing blues in that way not pro-town? We would gain a good bit of information by controlling multiple lynches or kp, and have confirmed town for multiple days leading the town towards a strong circle.
mainly because having a second lynch really doesnt matter. On September 29 2017 16:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
filter links plz
i think its pretty scumy On September 30 2017 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 22:48 Vivax wrote:
I really have no idea what is wrong with my statement. It didn't bother me much when Oats pointed it out since his read on me is always shit, but to both of you it should be obvious that it simply means claiming afk = claiming scum and if two mafias claimed scum already, then the game will be too easy and boring.
With HF there's a decent chance he actually just said it cause he did it as mafia just last game and he thinks it's funny to mess with the reads on him. But for Koshi I see no such excuse. lol Names are Hard 2: On August 26 2017 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread. nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else mafia On August 25 2017 06:21 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript are you town? I'm the towniest of all. Also, I'm pretty sure that Koshi is mafia. His post towards you and asking about Damdred's townread is pretty out of place. As Town, you love to lynch stupid; it's like your kryptonite. But as mafia you have much less of a hardon for stupid from what I've seen and just push 85% bullshit. Koshi not getting this after the last two games is pretty odd; especially since Tina brought it up in generic and Koshi was bussing her at various points. mafia geript doesnt actually care about getting koshi lynched. He just wants to sidetrack town. On August 26 2017 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I was giving rayn his time to talk to Skynx while watching Impractical Jokers. Skynx being a bit combative towards rayn hmm. Is this normal behavior from Skynx as either alignment for those who got good amount of experience playing with him? Useless question. On August 25 2017 08:37 LightningStrike wrote:On August 25 2017 08:06 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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I remember TW when he was a newbie. I remember his not being boring/dull/. Like he had some good observations (wrong but good) then. His scum game IIRC was much lower activity and struggled to post almost anything. He's likely a good lynch too. The thing is that during the last abortion of a game, when I was reading TW (in MS Paint Judge mafia) I was comparing him to older games to get can idea of any other meta reads I could use to push him. It's something that I noticed from his town play and something that HF picked up and agreed with in the game. On August 25 2017 06:21 Koshi wrote:
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If you want to make 20 posts. It is better that you explain everything you claim.
The bolded is completely unexplained and gives us nothing. LS is easy to read. I don't see why it is weird and I townread Damdred and Vivax for seeing it and calling it early. It generates discussion and easy townreads make mafia nervous. Mafia doesn't like easy townreads you see. Then they make comments like you just did. A few things here: 1. Only bad mafia hate early townreads. Like it's often quite easy to call someone town, move them into a situation where they look bad, rescind the townread and push them for lynch. I am not bad mafia. 2. LS in at least 1 game (though as far as I remembered multiple games) as scum has mimicked his "town puppy" persona to get townread and survived until endgame on it. Passing around a bad read is on the other hand makes it easy for scum to blend in. Hell, last game I basically literally just took what town was already thinking, repackaged it into nicer, newer, and better thinking and sold it as my own. On August 25 2017 06:55 Koshi wrote:
I dislike he scumreads me. Especially because he scumreads me because I don't meta townread rayn for a reason I would not meta read rayn town for. On August 25 2017 07:21 Koshi wrote:
For the record. I recognize the points made against Skynx. I do not know if it makes him mafia.
I think there is a chance still that he is town that made a very bad post.
geript on the other hand came in with a typical lazy mafia post. As town something in the thread would have triggered him, something about Koshi, rayn, HF or Vivax. Even Damdred maybe. But because he is mafia and lazy nothing really did, so he made an easy TW comment because he is "helping". When rayn confronted him he had to make something up and called rayn town and in the same breath called Koshi mafia because he isn't calling rayn town.
I do not believe town!geript makes that koshi read only after surrendering a town!rayn read. I think town!geript would have made that Koshi read while catching up and would have posted that instead of the TW town read.
I do believe mafia geript played lazy and showed face.
This is my read. Accept it. Who's getting mad about early townreads now Koshi? Koshi is scumreading me for scumreading him for not townreading rayn. Silliness aside. Hold with me, it's a bit circuitous but it's here. I've made it quite obvious on numerous occasions that I fucking hate playing scum when HF is town; as such, when I'm scum I basically become his thread bitch because I don't know how else to buy time in order to gain control of the thread until I get to NK HF. But the same is not true of Rayn. I know how to fuck with Rayn's head as mafia; I know what he looks at and looks for and can throw out a hook to get him super distracted. 1. As mafia, I gain nothing by giving Rayn an early townread and actually surrender thread control; which btw, I don't do as mafia (except for HF or maybe Marv but Marv because he's a fucking sexy beast). So his argument is not only bad, it's also incorrect. Vivax I haven't really played with in a while and I haven't had a correct read on him for a long time. Damdred I read town for how he reads people with "Damdred" reads and how he shows specific lines of thinking as town that he doesn't as scum. HF I read based on what he's pushing and why he's pushing; it's kinda a feels read but mostly based on him pushing "good things." Rayn I read based on what he's pushing and how he pushes; he likes to lynch bad as town and picks up on completely different things as mafia (example the Judge game where almost every time he came in the thread he pushed stupid shit that was bad). 2. When I make a read on Rayn for doing town!Rayn things, it's me being scum. When I don't comment on things about Vivax, HF, or Damdred because I'm either lacking any way to accurately read them (Vivax), I haven't seen them do things to read them town yet (Damdred), or I'm getting mixed vibes from (HF), then I'm scum. When I post about Koshi, I'm both scum for something not triggering me to post something about him AND scum for posting what I posted. Like, that's a pretty fucking weird argument for Koshi to be making at the same time; he's usually a bit more lazy as scum, and arguing both sides of the coin in the same post is pretty fucking weird for Town!Koshi to do. 3. Come at me bro 3/20 Yes I know I fooled people in the past in 2 of my scum games but Damdred usually gets me right except a few times when he either almost gets me mislynched or actually got me lynched on shannies. Damdred helped me a bit on my scum game I will tell you that as he was in a scum team with me where we almost won had it not been for sicklucker not giving a shit for a couple of cells (Cell Millionaire). Trust Damdred's read on me. Its interesting(scummy) how he says "trust" damdred's read when he doesnt know damdred's alignment. Or does he??? On August 25 2017 08:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Side note I think Damdred could be town this game as well as rayn and Koshi just need them to stop fighting each other. Also this is a pretty big "side" note that LS just brushes under. He isnt trying to find mafia, hes just going with the status quo and waiting for things to happen. On August 26 2017 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 18:21 Vivax wrote:On August 25 2017 18:12 Holyflare wrote:On August 25 2017 17:58 Vivax wrote:
And geript ACTUALLY posted a townie seal, why is he even up for discussion. 100 % confirmed town. No, 90% for adding a lot of text I will read later. But it really wasn't necessary with the seal. Has he ever posted it before? No idea but the idea is so abstruse to think of as mafia that I have to take it at face value. Uneccesary town read without an alternative. possible mafia. In this game I get the sense that he's putting on more of a show of pressuring people and looking useful. I don't see it grack. His tone is no different this game than from those games you quoted. Is your main issue that he doesn't use the word "Mafia" when calling out people? Because I think that is a weak argument when the message is still delivered with the same intention, tone and intensity. Well you're either going to see it or you won't. I do think there is a noticeable difference in Oats' posting and it's not just that he didn't say mafia like he did in those other two games. I have choosen to show the larger quote of the conversation between RuxXar and Grackaroni. Grackaroni is sure about his read on Oatsmaster and tries to convince based off of past tonal differences and approach to the game. At this point I do not see anything really bad about the approach. On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:Happykrogan is almost certainly town. RuXxar is also the only player silly enough to think that drawing suspicion to himself would be a good town plan. + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote:
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious.
Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:36 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:05 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. so why do you use a meta read to townread someone when you have no idea how they would play as mafia??? TMI??!? Grack wasn’t metareading ruxxar as town there, he was jut statig ruxxar was the only one silly enough to vouch drawing suspicion as a good town play. Not really seeing where you saw him draw a metaread conclusion This. I wasn't calling him town in that post. I was saying that only he could possibly think that doing that would be a good idea. but "good town plan" implies that you think hes town. Like come on dude. Stop waffling. Otherwise it would be "xx scum plan". I don't know why I always have to have these arguments with you when they always revolve around you not being able to understand a post. Here's what he said: + Show Spoiler +"To me there's two ways to solve the game.
There's the active way, were you make reads, pressure and push people.
This is what people refer to when they say "Solving the game". Aka what oats is doing.
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious."
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town. On October 14 2017 09:27 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town.
but if hes mafia he doesnt think its protown and therefore you think hes town because you believe that he thinks he is doing something protown It could be that he's town and think it's smart town play or he could be mafia and still think that it's pro-town or maybe he just got a lot of attention as mafia and thinks that is a passable excuse. I think no matter what he thinks it's a reasonable sentence, but I wasn't really trying to place any particular inference onto the post. On October 14 2017 15:41 Grackaroni wrote:
Oats do you like your Ruxxar vote? Now, his approach and tone towards Oatsmaster has completely changed. He is speaking to him and with him as if he is town and is trying to figure out common ground that they can work on. Grackaroni vote is still on Oatsmaster, he has tried to convince people that Oatsmaster is scum. But the approach he takes towards him does not make sense for someone with a scum read on said person. Oatsmaster nonresponse to Grackaroni posts is interesting as well. But its not quite uo to the level I just pointed out. Oats also ignored my question when I asked him what he thought of the Grack meta read on him being mafia, but idk man he just seems to be doing his own thing The meat of the post was about how Grackaroni acted and treated Oatsmaster. I will admit it is possible a light bus this early is possible, but I will make a decision on that at a later date. Right now thoughts about Grackaroni would be appreciated as I see him coming more from scum than town in his aplroach at the moment. On October 15 2017 05:55 Damerion wrote:
Here I am, I lost track of time and these day phases are very short.
I see conversion and myself are up for lynch. I do not know if I believe that conversion is scum at this point in time.
In fact with how apathetic the thread is I am decently certain it is going to be town v town. On October 15 2017 05:59 Damerion wrote:
Let us do Oatsmaster instead
Hurricane Shelter Mafia On September 29 2017 11:23 Damerion wrote:
Hello, I am glad to be here playing with you fine people. Damdred speaks highly of everyone here, and I hope the game is enjoyable.
I have two things that came to mind when I read what little of the game there is.
1) Grackaroni opening post, to put it bluntly is trash. At the same time he says nothing of value and tries to buddy fecalfeast (I assume) into making an alliance when it is impossible for him to know alignments.
Unless he is mafia, which associative read incoming means FecalFeast is more likely town for the way Grackaroni interacted with him.
2) I have come up with a pretty simple plan how to approach d1.
Step one: The marksman (vig), should claim as soon as town agrees with this plan (which they should).
Step two: We should use this power as a second lynch and have a vote in thread to direct the power.
Step three: Mafia is more than likely forced into a situation where they must let the Vigilante shoot and kill him, or roleblock him. The simplest solution is to put the watcher on the Vigilante N1.
Step Four: The medic should be off doing medic things more than likely on another target, if the mafia send the godfather and kill the Vigilante nothing is lost, if they roleblock him we instantly have a one and one trade.
Step Five: I assume medic cannot protect multiple nights in a row, therefore if the Vigilante survives the medic should protect him here and the Watcher should look elsewhere.
This plan gives us the most information that we can control and boxes the mafia into only a few moves they can make early in the game.
I think we should follow this plan. On September 30 2017 02:49 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2017 01:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
Also i didn't read damdreds friends posts should i? How rude! Nobody agrees with my plan so perhaps you can ignore that part of my post. Hiwever I think the points about Grackaroni are still highly pertinent. In fact I think the points on Grackaroni become even better when you take into account he claims it is in jest. His first post reads serious, his response is his backpedling, him townreading the person that is scum reading him. It makes little sense from a town perspective in my head at least. As for the other participants, Oats, Koshi are both slightly underwhelming but its more of an true neutral right now.I dislike how Raynpelikeet is approaching the game slightly. He is about excuses in the end of some of his posts. Also somewhat lacks the drive to actually play and find scum, not only that his townread on some of the people in his list is lacking to say the least. His read on Grackaroni is especially lacking, considering how I am reading him at least. Most others I am lacking an opinion on, also FecalFeast is one of the people that I think might be confirmed town if Grackaroni is scum. (Also happy birthday Damdred) On October 01 2017 02:14 Damerion wrote:
I do not think Rels should be lynched here. He is more of a null read than anything currently for me.
Hiwever Grackaroni still has not done a thing that resembles trying to solve the game in any way. What vivax pointed out about one of his posts is an excellent point and should not be ignored while he sits on the sideline.
Breshke is another person worth a look, the things he has said in thread have been underwhelming and just seem to be doing things to look busy.
His scumread and follw up vote does not read as genuine and ia actually a mess of a point in which Breshke twists the facts to meet the conclussion that he set out with.
The third mafia I am not super sure of at this juncture, its possible it is Chezinu. His posts leave a bit to be desired and he is also harping on nonsense.
Holyflare is just getting a mention because I have heard good things about him, and he does not seem scummy right now. Also, returning to the evaluation of this 'like' meta that Damerion presented us with, please refer again to the post below: Show nested quote +On January 22 2018 04:08 rsoultin wrote:
Breaking news for anyone who finds this interesting/amusing...going off a very reliable pool of the two games in which both Damdred and Damerion played on TL Mafia, it does in fact appear that Damdred says 'like' outside of the proper usage slightly more often as town than as scum.
Heroes of the Storm - scum Damdred - 3 posts out of 3 pages of filter
Newbie Student Mafia XXVIII - town Damdred - 8 posts out of 6 pages of filter
Won't comment further cause I'm sure the rest will go in a post somewhere.
@kmatt - that would be nice There were just four posts from Damdred when Damerion pulled the trigger based on his newly formed meta case: + Show Spoiler +On January 18 2018 20:56 Damdred wrote:
And so it begins, the hero Damdred enters the building and surveys the damages already done. The mystery would be solved quickly and efficiently because obviously he is the best at what he does. Throwing a note book down on a table he already had names wrote into it.
Slight Town:
Rsoultin
Holyflare
BTDT
Slight Scum:
DF (sorry baby)
Mocsta
Life is unfair when such a great player such as Damdred is on the case, forever isolated from society by his genius. He will win this one even if he had to drag town through it kicking and screaming. And for the itch there is a cream for that just so you know. On January 18 2018 21:25 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 21:20 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Hello! Mcosta Rico obviously has a post a bunch of unnecessary fluff. I don't like this. It feels he is trying to inject and clog up the discussion early on, so that later near the vote we don't have a solid lead. On January 18 2018 13:42 Mocsta wrote:On January 18 2018 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
hello comrades On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
who is this mocsta character.... Fear not, for I... am a comrade! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
... and why is he speaking so much? Because I can, Because I want to, Because I desire to... @DarthFoley: Why do you ask?On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. Wise words Kmatt. I want to start calling DarthFoley, AxelFoley... get it + Show Spoiler +Beverly Hills Cop reference. For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal. However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico. Both above feel like mafia in their agenda. But I doubt they are together since it wouldn't make sense for Darthfoley as his team mate to do that. For now both are in my suspect pile until the game develops more. On the oppersite end, Mderg feels the most town. His posts are interacting with the discussion going on and feels like it's coming from a town perspective. Rusissan Rsoultin itch post doesn't get her town in my eyes, as the way she worded it allows her to back track more easily and generally feels like she is not committing to a read. The one's I bolded are the ones Im talking about. On January 18 2018 15:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not a jimmy hendrix fan i gather?
purple haze bruh
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? Nope, missed that reference entirely. I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. So many itches. A holyflare who says hi and scrams when he's at the centre of attention. Though it is late and joke votes obvious, still an itch.Rels hi itchy for similar reasons but less itchy when not center of attention.Darthfoley passive aggression at someone eager to participate ??? (In retrospect this bugs me most at present) Prplhz just needs to be swatted with a newspaper. Mild itchiness with an eager Damdred not being around for game start, but then, it's Damdred; he could have fallen down a set of stairs @.@I hate phone posting  Lazy rsoul should just get on her pc. And yes, itchiness is like a mild form of scummy in case that's not clear. Maybe more accurate to put it as it rubs me wrong and makes me suspicious. QQ phone posting is hard Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet). Also the comments could be distancing obviously so it does make moderate sense. But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy On January 18 2018 21:37 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 21:32 Holyflare wrote:On January 18 2018 20:56 Damdred wrote:
And so it begins, the hero Damdred enters the building and surveys the damages already done. The mystery would be solved quickly and efficiently because obviously he is the best at what he does. Throwing a note book down on a table he already had names wrote into it.
Slight Town:
Rsoultin
Holyflare
BTDT
Slight Scum:
DF (sorry baby)
Mocsta
Life is unfair when such a great player such as Damdred is on the case, forever isolated from society by his genius. He will win this one even if he had to drag town through it kicking and screaming. And for the itch there is a cream for that just so you know. I don't believe you'd have df and mocsta on the same list when one called out the other. Feels off to me. That was a weak ass call out, besides just a list either way and can change. But I do think its possible. On January 18 2018 21:44 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:25 Damdred wrote:On January 18 2018 21:20 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Hello! Mcosta Rico obviously has a post a bunch of unnecessary fluff. I don't like this. It feels he is trying to inject and clog up the discussion early on, so that later near the vote we don't have a solid lead. On January 18 2018 13:42 Mocsta wrote:On January 18 2018 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
hello comrades On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
who is this mocsta character.... Fear not, for I... am a comrade! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
... and why is he speaking so much? Because I can, Because I want to, Because I desire to... @DarthFoley: Why do you ask?On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. Wise words Kmatt. I want to start calling DarthFoley, AxelFoley... get it + Show Spoiler +Beverly Hills Cop reference. For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal. However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico. Both above feel like mafia in their agenda. But I doubt they are together since it wouldn't make sense for Darthfoley as his team mate to do that. For now both are in my suspect pile until the game develops more. On the oppersite end, Mderg feels the most town. His posts are interacting with the discussion going on and feels like it's coming from a town perspective. Rusissan Rsoultin itch post doesn't get her town in my eyes, as the way she worded it allows her to back track more easily and generally feels like she is not committing to a read. The one's I bolded are the ones Im talking about. On January 18 2018 15:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not a jimmy hendrix fan i gather?
purple haze bruh
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? Nope, missed that reference entirely. I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. So many itches. A holyflare who says hi and scrams when he's at the centre of attention. Though it is late and joke votes obvious, still an itch.Rels hi itchy for similar reasons but less itchy when not center of attention.Darthfoley passive aggression at someone eager to participate ??? (In retrospect this bugs me most at present) Prplhz just needs to be swatted with a newspaper. Mild itchiness with an eager Damdred not being around for game start, but then, it's Damdred; he could have fallen down a set of stairs @.@I hate phone posting Lazy rsoul should just get on her pc. And yes, itchiness is like a mild form of scummy in case that's not clear. Maybe more accurate to put it as it rubs me wrong and makes me suspicious. QQ phone posting is hard Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet). Also the comments could be distancing obviously so it does make moderate sense. But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy Lol, as and you shall be given. I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it. If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way. If that makes sense. But would DF of thought he would of drawn that much attention to Moc? I don't think so necessarily, its a weak entry for DF in any game, he has little follow through (as he really hasn't posted) so its a bit weak anyway. But id be happy just lynching moc today anyway. As for BTDT, mostly its just a gut feeling and I agreed with his insight so he can be an ally for today. While Damdred certainly didn't use the word 'like' as a valley girl might...i.e. " Like, he's just not saying like."...he uses it as both alignments and there is very little difference between frequency. That Damerion claimed he was scum for not using it in four posts when even as town the frequency is more like 1 in every 15 posts says to me that 1) Damerion probably did in fact note down this meta point and 2) should have known it was much too early to make a call on Damdred based on it. This supports my assertion that Damerion was using it to push a case without actually caring about Damdred's alignment.
I have not had the time to look further into how he read Damdred in previous games to evaluate if that lines up with how he evaluated Damdred in this one, but I wanted to post this before I leave for a few hours. TLDR Damerion is scum because 1) He is not involved and making organic reads like he did in his town games and 2) The 'like' meta was true but misapplied with no intention of using it as a tool to actually discern alignment (i.e. scum pushing a lynch)
Let me first say that I think you Rsoultin are more than likely town for the way you have went about the game.But this case is a narrative that you have went down from Day One and have continued upon it up to this point.
I disagree with your assessments of my filters, I believe that I tunnel on what I see or draws my intentions. I believed I caught Damdred,( he unfortunately was not scum).
However I do disagree that I applied his meta incorrectly, even disregarding the like meta he never town hunted the entirety of the game. He was not emotional, never really explained his scum reads to any great degree. And when the lynch was starting to swing away from him instead of pressing the attack and explaining his scum read he tried to shore up a lynch by trying to rally more votes instead of using the logic he generally uses.
As for the like meta, we can talk about it post game with Damdred present. And I believe he would agree with me that he uses it when he gets really excited he uses like. And having two scum reads that he sticks to, for the entirety of the day which he was not excited about it at all.
Honestly the whole of the post could surmount to you did not like my Damdred read no matter how he responded to it or interacted with the thread and so I must be scum because I was wrong. I was wrong and so I must be scum.
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On January 24 2018 02:41 Damerion wrote:
my apologies, missed which one was the case but replying to both is the right decision in any case.
It is simple why I pulled the trigger so quickly, when I am confident I pull the trigger and generally I am correct. Look at my first game on this site, I pulled the trigger almost quicker on Grackanori than on Damdred. And as someone who look at my past games I am somewhat surprised that you make it seem I pulled the trigger quicker here than normal?
Neither is your claim about my confidence, my first game here I pegged the scum team day one and day two. Shot scum Night 2 and then lynched FecalFeast day two. It was only because of people refusing to lynch the person I put up day one that cost us the game when I eventually was killed.
As for the second and third game, I admit in one of my first few posts in the second game that I would be trying a different play style which led to a somewhat different result. But still led to very confident case on Grackanori (wrong whops) and one on Onegu (Correct).
In my third game I sheeped Damdred (who was scum) but was much less active in this game, lynched mafia day one. And got sideswiped by the bus.
So I think to say that my confidence is not mirrored my past games is disingenuous and honestly a twisting of what is shown. I will respond to your case in a moment.
While I'll admit that the sense of the game is missing because I didn't participate in those, and that your impression of your own confidence may well be different than how it read to me, what I mean is the laser focus on Damdred, stating you were confident in your read on him in your...what, third or fourth post? You literally had no other reads in thread other than null. Specific null reads had to be solicited.
This was not how you caught scum in your other games.
To be clear, I do find your town games impressive. This just doesn't seem like one of them.
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On January 24 2018 02:54 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 02:41 Damerion wrote:
my apologies, missed which one was the case but replying to both is the right decision in any case.
It is simple why I pulled the trigger so quickly, when I am confident I pull the trigger and generally I am correct. Look at my first game on this site, I pulled the trigger almost quicker on Grackanori than on Damdred. And as someone who look at my past games I am somewhat surprised that you make it seem I pulled the trigger quicker here than normal?
Neither is your claim about my confidence, my first game here I pegged the scum team day one and day two. Shot scum Night 2 and then lynched FecalFeast day two. It was only because of people refusing to lynch the person I put up day one that cost us the game when I eventually was killed.
As for the second and third game, I admit in one of my first few posts in the second game that I would be trying a different play style which led to a somewhat different result. But still led to very confident case on Grackanori (wrong whops) and one on Onegu (Correct).
In my third game I sheeped Damdred (who was scum) but was much less active in this game, lynched mafia day one. And got sideswiped by the bus.
So I think to say that my confidence is not mirrored my past games is disingenuous and honestly a twisting of what is shown. I will respond to your case in a moment. While I'll admit that the sense of the game is missing because I didn't participate in those, and that your impression of your own confidence may well be different than how it read to me, what I mean is the laser focus on Damdred, stating you were confident in your read on him in your...what, third or fourth post? You literally had no other reads in thread other than null. Specific null reads had to be solicited. This was not how you caught scum in your other games. To be clear, I do find your town games impressive. This just doesn't seem like one of them.
I caught Grackanori off one post, Fecal Feast how he reacted at lynch, Breshke for his push on me. Onegu for lack of interactions in his filter. I sheeped onto TickTock.
All are vastly different ways to find mafia, to say that I never latch onto posts and go with it by evidence of Shockeyy and Grackanori is incorrect.
I think Damdred still was not playing towards any form of a town game, he tricked me last game by bussing and I thought he was scum here. I do not see why that makes me scum, saying I lacked reads is probably a fair assessment but as my favorite coach said you can only lynch one person at a time so focus and get them lynched.
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On January 24 2018 02:53 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2018 02:50 rsoultin wrote:Yes, evidence confirms my feeling that Damerion is much less engaged with the thread this game than he's been in his town games. I'm really trying not to gloat right now, let it be noted. Below are the posts from four games worth of filters that express reads on new people, or new reads on the same people. Please note that in this game he had three 'reads'...Damdred as scum, and Darth Foley and Mocsta as null. Also please note that the null reads given on the latter were solicited by Twatty and not volunteered independently. + Show Spoiler [This game] +On January 18 2018 21:56 Damerion wrote:
Good morning,
I have decided with careful conaideration that Damdred is scum over DarthFoley and Mocsta. Or at least that I would much rather lynch him over both and then reevaluate at that point.
But onto my main point, Damdred is an extremely meta based player and has used exactly 0 points of meta to make his reads this game.
He also is gòing about thw game in a way that is not typical of him, he generally town hunts and only goes after his scum reads day two instead of pushing early day one when he town hunts. He also usually goes off the beaten path and looks where others do not.
And look what he is doing here, he bases his scum read of DarthFoley off one post.
Also I have a slight meta read on Damdred on his word usuage, in that he uses certain words when explaining his reads and he does not use it in any of his posts.
I think Damdred is scum and you all should join me in voting him off.
##vote Damdred
On January 18 2018 22:18 Damerion wrote:
Currently I have very little to go on, mostly just nulls. I will update that as we go.
I am confident that my read on Damdred is correct however, there is clear scum motivation for what he is doing. On January 18 2018 22:38 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 22:18 Damerion wrote:
Currently I have very little to go on, mostly just nulls. I will update that as we go.
I am confident that my read on Damdred is correct however, there is clear scum motivation for what he is doing. What is your read on Mcosta Rico and DarthFoley? Damdred just admitted that his meta is to mustang/bus his teammates as mafia. As someone who states he knows his meta, what is your opinion on his reads on them. And what are yours reads on them? I think Damdred is overselling his ability to bus, he has stated multiple times in the past he wants to move away from bussing. And the onky reason he bussed in his last scum game was because it was an accident and his team accidently voted with him. Hes a smart player though. As for my read on Darthfoley, I think he is null one post does a case not make unless he claimed scum. I do not like Mocsta posts, however I do not think his ramblings are alignment indicative. So pressure him fine but I do not see it, strange yes but nothing beyond that. Now take a look at the Day One filters from the three town games he's played on this site. There are plenty of reads coming in all three of them, most unsolicited. If you want to pop in and look at his whole filter, it's true that he tends to focus on his strongest scumread and talk a lot about them, but this is not to the exclusion of evaluating the rest of the players in the game like it is in our game. + Show Spoiler [Day One in Previous Town Games] +HEROES OF THE STORM On November 01 2017 06:46 Damerion wrote:
Hello,
Entry post analysis
Conversion, nothing to go on.
Krogan is a bit to on the nose and seems to be made in hunor to be scum. Rsoultin note: I have no clue what he was trying to say here.
Will update on whos post I do not like as the day goes. On November 01 2017 07:53 Damerion wrote:
Shockey has the worst entrance tone wise, he complains on what reads llike a thread that is having fun in the early going (to me reads like totally town uo to that point).
He then makes another post about hoping he has more posts to work with when he geta back without adding to the game himself.
I am above 50% that he is scum at this point. On November 01 2017 08:34 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 08:28 ruXxar wrote:On November 01 2017 08:17 Damerion wrote:On November 01 2017 08:04 ruXxar wrote:On November 01 2017 08:02 Damerion wrote:
##vote ShoCkeyy[/b
I ask and expect you all to follow me on this.
@Damdred especially you. Slow down hotshot. When did you go from being mr waffly scum reader to becoming sherlock holmes? Did the cohost of my first game forget the resounding hammer I put on the whole scum team? You have good reads, I'll give you that. You just gotta work on being more convincing. No I need name recognition, if I had a larger name associated with me I would be followed much easier. And if memory serves I did find scum last game a couple of times, just was to afk to oersue those links at the time. In any case HolyFlare is also coming across disengenous at this point. On November 03 2017 03:44 Damerion wrote:
Hello,
I just woke up from my shift. As such I obviously have a lot of catching uo to do.
I have been trying to keep up with the thread right now and I am in the neighborhood of scum being in these five people.
Shockey/RuxXar/Ticktock/Zen
The fifth person I do not want to say quite yet as I do not want the gane to develop into a war if I am wrong.
But I feel like at least two mafia are in this group listed.
And as I filter dive I will place my vote on Shockey as a place holder.
Newbie Student Mafia XXVII On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote:
Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. On October 13 2017 11:07 Damerion wrote:
That is how some people play mafia, I disagree that my first part is totally worthless. It is setting a standard of play, one that I hope to be able to approach the game with.
Secondly, I am unsure how expressing my feelings toward certain people makes you feel such a way. Be that as it may it is your right to play how you wish.
As for my read on Oatsmaster is that he is towny, his catch/pressure on RuxXar seems like it comes from town. It reads as if he is paying attention looking for little details that would make someone scum, and acts on it.
I do not know Oatsmaster scum range obviously but I am confidant that this action would more than likely come from town. On October 15 2017 00:57 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:51 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:48 Damerion wrote:Once again hello and like the proverbial Santa Clause I have brought a most interesting gift that I wish the thread to take a stance on and give their thoughts, and gut leanings. Firstly I read the Grackaroni and Oatsmaster exchanges and did not think much on it but as I was checking filters something very interesting popped out on me. The interesting thing is how Grackaroni treats Oatsmaster to start with and how he ends up treating him. On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster We first have his original read on Oats, it was novel at the time. He has something original to show the thread and does so, it gains him some surface town credit from several members of the town. On October 14 2017 03:58 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:55 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 03:50 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:24 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster to me he just looks like he pushes his own agenda and doesn't give a shit really http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526062-names-are-hard-2?user=OatsmasterI'm not seeing what you're seeing, so can you explain how he looks different in the first two games compared to this one? I'm going to guess that Oats is town in that game you linked and check before I post. Yeah ok HF/Damdred/Onegu were scum but obviously town is always a more likely guess since more people roll town. I do think he looks pretty different in both of those games in the way that he accuses people. In those 2 he throws out accusations without much fanfare. Hurricane: On September 29 2017 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 11:23 Damerion wrote:
Hello, I am glad to be here playing with you fine people. Damdred speaks highly of everyone here, and I hope the game is enjoyable.
I have two things that came to mind when I read what little of the game there is.
1) Grackaroni opening post, to put it bluntly is trash. At the same time he says nothing of value and tries to buddy fecalfeast (I assume) into making an alliance when it is impossible for him to know alignments.
Unless he is mafia, which associative read incoming means FecalFeast is more likely town for the way Grackaroni interacted with him.
2) I have come up with a pretty simple plan how to approach d1.
Step one: The marksman (vig), should claim as soon as town agrees with this plan (which they should).
Step two: We should use this power as a second lynch and have a vote in thread to direct the power.
Step three: Mafia is more than likely forced into a situation where they must let the Vigilante shoot and kill him, or roleblock him. The simplest solution is to put the watcher on the Vigilante N1.
Step Four: The medic should be off doing medic things more than likely on another target, if the mafia send the godfather and kill the Vigilante nothing is lost, if they roleblock him we instantly have a one and one trade.
Step Five: I assume medic cannot protect multiple nights in a row, therefore if the Vigilante survives the medic should protect him here and the Watcher should look elsewhere.
This plan gives us the most information that we can control and boxes the mafia into only a few moves they can make early in the game.
I think we should follow this plan. mafia On September 29 2017 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 12:21 Damerion wrote:
I am unsure why you have me as mafia Oatsmaster, could you expound on why you think that?
Vivax why is directing blues in that way not pro-town? We would gain a good bit of information by controlling multiple lynches or kp, and have confirmed town for multiple days leading the town towards a strong circle.
mainly because having a second lynch really doesnt matter. On September 29 2017 16:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
filter links plz
i think its pretty scumy On September 30 2017 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 22:48 Vivax wrote:
I really have no idea what is wrong with my statement. It didn't bother me much when Oats pointed it out since his read on me is always shit, but to both of you it should be obvious that it simply means claiming afk = claiming scum and if two mafias claimed scum already, then the game will be too easy and boring.
With HF there's a decent chance he actually just said it cause he did it as mafia just last game and he thinks it's funny to mess with the reads on him. But for Koshi I see no such excuse. lol Names are Hard 2: On August 26 2017 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread. nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else mafia On August 25 2017 06:21 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript are you town? I'm the towniest of all. Also, I'm pretty sure that Koshi is mafia. His post towards you and asking about Damdred's townread is pretty out of place. As Town, you love to lynch stupid; it's like your kryptonite. But as mafia you have much less of a hardon for stupid from what I've seen and just push 85% bullshit. Koshi not getting this after the last two games is pretty odd; especially since Tina brought it up in generic and Koshi was bussing her at various points. mafia geript doesnt actually care about getting koshi lynched. He just wants to sidetrack town. On August 26 2017 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I was giving rayn his time to talk to Skynx while watching Impractical Jokers. Skynx being a bit combative towards rayn hmm. Is this normal behavior from Skynx as either alignment for those who got good amount of experience playing with him? Useless question. On August 25 2017 08:37 LightningStrike wrote:On August 25 2017 08:06 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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I am not sure if i believe this so this is a reminder to myself to check something on this tomorrow. It's not exactly true... From Generic: On July 14 2017 03:12 geript wrote:
I remember TW when he was a newbie. I remember his not being boring/dull/. Like he had some good observations (wrong but good) then. His scum game IIRC was much lower activity and struggled to post almost anything. He's likely a good lynch too. The thing is that during the last abortion of a game, when I was reading TW (in MS Paint Judge mafia) I was comparing him to older games to get can idea of any other meta reads I could use to push him. It's something that I noticed from his town play and something that HF picked up and agreed with in the game. On August 25 2017 06:21 Koshi wrote:
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If you want to make 20 posts. It is better that you explain everything you claim.
The bolded is completely unexplained and gives us nothing. LS is easy to read. I don't see why it is weird and I townread Damdred and Vivax for seeing it and calling it early. It generates discussion and easy townreads make mafia nervous. Mafia doesn't like easy townreads you see. Then they make comments like you just did. A few things here: 1. Only bad mafia hate early townreads. Like it's often quite easy to call someone town, move them into a situation where they look bad, rescind the townread and push them for lynch. I am not bad mafia. 2. LS in at least 1 game (though as far as I remembered multiple games) as scum has mimicked his "town puppy" persona to get townread and survived until endgame on it. Passing around a bad read is on the other hand makes it easy for scum to blend in. Hell, last game I basically literally just took what town was already thinking, repackaged it into nicer, newer, and better thinking and sold it as my own. On August 25 2017 06:55 Koshi wrote:
I dislike he scumreads me. Especially because he scumreads me because I don't meta townread rayn for a reason I would not meta read rayn town for. On August 25 2017 07:21 Koshi wrote:
For the record. I recognize the points made against Skynx. I do not know if it makes him mafia.
I think there is a chance still that he is town that made a very bad post.
geript on the other hand came in with a typical lazy mafia post. As town something in the thread would have triggered him, something about Koshi, rayn, HF or Vivax. Even Damdred maybe. But because he is mafia and lazy nothing really did, so he made an easy TW comment because he is "helping". When rayn confronted him he had to make something up and called rayn town and in the same breath called Koshi mafia because he isn't calling rayn town.
I do not believe town!geript makes that koshi read only after surrendering a town!rayn read. I think town!geript would have made that Koshi read while catching up and would have posted that instead of the TW town read.
I do believe mafia geript played lazy and showed face.
This is my read. Accept it. Who's getting mad about early townreads now Koshi? Koshi is scumreading me for scumreading him for not townreading rayn. Silliness aside. Hold with me, it's a bit circuitous but it's here. I've made it quite obvious on numerous occasions that I fucking hate playing scum when HF is town; as such, when I'm scum I basically become his thread bitch because I don't know how else to buy time in order to gain control of the thread until I get to NK HF. But the same is not true of Rayn. I know how to fuck with Rayn's head as mafia; I know what he looks at and looks for and can throw out a hook to get him super distracted. 1. As mafia, I gain nothing by giving Rayn an early townread and actually surrender thread control; which btw, I don't do as mafia (except for HF or maybe Marv but Marv because he's a fucking sexy beast). So his argument is not only bad, it's also incorrect. Vivax I haven't really played with in a while and I haven't had a correct read on him for a long time. Damdred I read town for how he reads people with "Damdred" reads and how he shows specific lines of thinking as town that he doesn't as scum. HF I read based on what he's pushing and why he's pushing; it's kinda a feels read but mostly based on him pushing "good things." Rayn I read based on what he's pushing and how he pushes; he likes to lynch bad as town and picks up on completely different things as mafia (example the Judge game where almost every time he came in the thread he pushed stupid shit that was bad). 2. When I make a read on Rayn for doing town!Rayn things, it's me being scum. When I don't comment on things about Vivax, HF, or Damdred because I'm either lacking any way to accurately read them (Vivax), I haven't seen them do things to read them town yet (Damdred), or I'm getting mixed vibes from (HF), then I'm scum. When I post about Koshi, I'm both scum for something not triggering me to post something about him AND scum for posting what I posted. Like, that's a pretty fucking weird argument for Koshi to be making at the same time; he's usually a bit more lazy as scum, and arguing both sides of the coin in the same post is pretty fucking weird for Town!Koshi to do. 3. Come at me bro 3/20 Yes I know I fooled people in the past in 2 of my scum games but Damdred usually gets me right except a few times when he either almost gets me mislynched or actually got me lynched on shannies. Damdred helped me a bit on my scum game I will tell you that as he was in a scum team with me where we almost won had it not been for sicklucker not giving a shit for a couple of cells (Cell Millionaire). Trust Damdred's read on me. Its interesting(scummy) how he says "trust" damdred's read when he doesnt know damdred's alignment. Or does he??? On August 25 2017 08:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Side note I think Damdred could be town this game as well as rayn and Koshi just need them to stop fighting each other. Also this is a pretty big "side" note that LS just brushes under. He isnt trying to find mafia, hes just going with the status quo and waiting for things to happen. On August 26 2017 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 18:21 Vivax wrote:On August 25 2017 18:12 Holyflare wrote:On August 25 2017 17:58 Vivax wrote:
And geript ACTUALLY posted a townie seal, why is he even up for discussion. 100 % confirmed town. No, 90% for adding a lot of text I will read later. But it really wasn't necessary with the seal. Has he ever posted it before? No idea but the idea is so abstruse to think of as mafia that I have to take it at face value. Uneccesary town read without an alternative. possible mafia. In this game I get the sense that he's putting on more of a show of pressuring people and looking useful. I don't see it grack. His tone is no different this game than from those games you quoted. Is your main issue that he doesn't use the word "Mafia" when calling out people? Because I think that is a weak argument when the message is still delivered with the same intention, tone and intensity. Well you're either going to see it or you won't. I do think there is a noticeable difference in Oats' posting and it's not just that he didn't say mafia like he did in those other two games. I have choosen to show the larger quote of the conversation between RuxXar and Grackaroni. Grackaroni is sure about his read on Oatsmaster and tries to convince based off of past tonal differences and approach to the game. At this point I do not see anything really bad about the approach. On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:Happykrogan is almost certainly town. RuXxar is also the only player silly enough to think that drawing suspicion to himself would be a good town plan. + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote:
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious.
Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:36 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:05 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. so why do you use a meta read to townread someone when you have no idea how they would play as mafia??? TMI??!? Grack wasn’t metareading ruxxar as town there, he was jut statig ruxxar was the only one silly enough to vouch drawing suspicion as a good town play. Not really seeing where you saw him draw a metaread conclusion This. I wasn't calling him town in that post. I was saying that only he could possibly think that doing that would be a good idea. but "good town plan" implies that you think hes town. Like come on dude. Stop waffling. Otherwise it would be "xx scum plan". I don't know why I always have to have these arguments with you when they always revolve around you not being able to understand a post. Here's what he said: + Show Spoiler +"To me there's two ways to solve the game.
There's the active way, were you make reads, pressure and push people.
This is what people refer to when they say "Solving the game". Aka what oats is doing.
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you.
This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious."
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town. On October 14 2017 09:27 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town.
but if hes mafia he doesnt think its protown and therefore you think hes town because you believe that he thinks he is doing something protown It could be that he's town and think it's smart town play or he could be mafia and still think that it's pro-town or maybe he just got a lot of attention as mafia and thinks that is a passable excuse. I think no matter what he thinks it's a reasonable sentence, but I wasn't really trying to place any particular inference onto the post. On October 14 2017 15:41 Grackaroni wrote:
Oats do you like your Ruxxar vote? Now, his approach and tone towards Oatsmaster has completely changed. He is speaking to him and with him as if he is town and is trying to figure out common ground that they can work on. Grackaroni vote is still on Oatsmaster, he has tried to convince people that Oatsmaster is scum. But the approach he takes towards him does not make sense for someone with a scum read on said person. Oatsmaster nonresponse to Grackaroni posts is interesting as well. But its not quite uo to the level I just pointed out. Oats also ignored my question when I asked him what he thought of the Grack meta read on him being mafia, but idk man he just seems to be doing his own thing The meat of the post was about how Grackaroni acted and treated Oatsmaster. I will admit it is possible a light bus this early is possible, but I will make a decision on that at a later date. Right now thoughts about Grackaroni would be appreciated as I see him coming more from scum than town in his aplroach at the moment. On October 15 2017 05:55 Damerion wrote:
Here I am, I lost track of time and these day phases are very short.
I see conversion and myself are up for lynch. I do not know if I believe that conversion is scum at this point in time.
In fact with how apathetic the thread is I am decently certain it is going to be town v town. On October 15 2017 05:59 Damerion wrote:
Let us do Oatsmaster instead
Hurricane Shelter Mafia On September 29 2017 11:23 Damerion wrote:
Hello, I am glad to be here playing with you fine people. Damdred speaks highly of everyone here, and I hope the game is enjoyable.
I have two things that came to mind when I read what little of the game there is.
1) Grackaroni opening post, to put it bluntly is trash. At the same time he says nothing of value and tries to buddy fecalfeast (I assume) into making an alliance when it is impossible for him to know alignments.
Unless he is mafia, which associative read incoming means FecalFeast is more likely town for the way Grackaroni interacted with him.
2) I have come up with a pretty simple plan how to approach d1.
Step one: The marksman (vig), should claim as soon as town agrees with this plan (which they should).
Step two: We should use this power as a second lynch and have a vote in thread to direct the power.
Step three: Mafia is more than likely forced into a situation where they must let the Vigilante shoot and kill him, or roleblock him. The simplest solution is to put the watcher on the Vigilante N1.
Step Four: The medic should be off doing medic things more than likely on another target, if the mafia send the godfather and kill the Vigilante nothing is lost, if they roleblock him we instantly have a one and one trade.
Step Five: I assume medic cannot protect multiple nights in a row, therefore if the Vigilante survives the medic should protect him here and the Watcher should look elsewhere.
This plan gives us the most information that we can control and boxes the mafia into only a few moves they can make early in the game.
I think we should follow this plan. On September 30 2017 02:49 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2017 01:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
Also i didn't read damdreds friends posts should i? How rude! Nobody agrees with my plan so perhaps you can ignore that part of my post. Hiwever I think the points about Grackaroni are still highly pertinent. In fact I think the points on Grackaroni become even better when you take into account he claims it is in jest. His first post reads serious, his response is his backpedling, him townreading the person that is scum reading him. It makes little sense from a town perspective in my head at least. As for the other participants, Oats, Koshi are both slightly underwhelming but its more of an true neutral right now.I dislike how Raynpelikeet is approaching the game slightly. He is about excuses in the end of some of his posts. Also somewhat lacks the drive to actually play and find scum, not only that his townread on some of the people in his list is lacking to say the least. His read on Grackaroni is especially lacking, considering how I am reading him at least. Most others I am lacking an opinion on, also FecalFeast is one of the people that I think might be confirmed town if Grackaroni is scum. (Also happy birthday Damdred) On October 01 2017 02:14 Damerion wrote:
I do not think Rels should be lynched here. He is more of a null read than anything currently for me.
Hiwever Grackaroni still has not done a thing that resembles trying to solve the game in any way. What vivax pointed out about one of his posts is an excellent point and should not be ignored while he sits on the sideline.
Breshke is another person worth a look, the things he has said in thread have been underwhelming and just seem to be doing things to look busy.
His scumread and follw up vote does not read as genuine and ia actually a mess of a point in which Breshke twists the facts to meet the conclussion that he set out with.
The third mafia I am not super sure of at this juncture, its possible it is Chezinu. His posts leave a bit to be desired and he is also harping on nonsense.
Holyflare is just getting a mention because I have heard good things about him, and he does not seem scummy right now. Also, returning to the evaluation of this 'like' meta that Damerion presented us with, please refer again to the post below: On January 22 2018 04:08 rsoultin wrote:
Breaking news for anyone who finds this interesting/amusing...going off a very reliable pool of the two games in which both Damdred and Damerion played on TL Mafia, it does in fact appear that Damdred says 'like' outside of the proper usage slightly more often as town than as scum.
Heroes of the Storm - scum Damdred - 3 posts out of 3 pages of filter
Newbie Student Mafia XXVIII - town Damdred - 8 posts out of 6 pages of filter
Won't comment further cause I'm sure the rest will go in a post somewhere.
@kmatt - that would be nice There were just four posts from Damdred when Damerion pulled the trigger based on his newly formed meta case: + Show Spoiler +On January 18 2018 20:56 Damdred wrote:
And so it begins, the hero Damdred enters the building and surveys the damages already done. The mystery would be solved quickly and efficiently because obviously he is the best at what he does. Throwing a note book down on a table he already had names wrote into it.
Slight Town:
Rsoultin
Holyflare
BTDT
Slight Scum:
DF (sorry baby)
Mocsta
Life is unfair when such a great player such as Damdred is on the case, forever isolated from society by his genius. He will win this one even if he had to drag town through it kicking and screaming. And for the itch there is a cream for that just so you know. On January 18 2018 21:25 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 21:20 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Hello! Mcosta Rico obviously has a post a bunch of unnecessary fluff. I don't like this. It feels he is trying to inject and clog up the discussion early on, so that later near the vote we don't have a solid lead. On January 18 2018 13:42 Mocsta wrote:On January 18 2018 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
hello comrades On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
who is this mocsta character.... Fear not, for I... am a comrade! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
... and why is he speaking so much? Because I can, Because I want to, Because I desire to... @DarthFoley: Why do you ask?On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. Wise words Kmatt. I want to start calling DarthFoley, AxelFoley... get it + Show Spoiler +Beverly Hills Cop reference. For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal. However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico. Both above feel like mafia in their agenda. But I doubt they are together since it wouldn't make sense for Darthfoley as his team mate to do that. For now both are in my suspect pile until the game develops more. On the oppersite end, Mderg feels the most town. His posts are interacting with the discussion going on and feels like it's coming from a town perspective. Rusissan Rsoultin itch post doesn't get her town in my eyes, as the way she worded it allows her to back track more easily and generally feels like she is not committing to a read. The one's I bolded are the ones Im talking about. On January 18 2018 15:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not a jimmy hendrix fan i gather?
purple haze bruh
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? Nope, missed that reference entirely. I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. So many itches. A holyflare who says hi and scrams when he's at the centre of attention. Though it is late and joke votes obvious, still an itch.Rels hi itchy for similar reasons but less itchy when not center of attention.Darthfoley passive aggression at someone eager to participate ??? (In retrospect this bugs me most at present) Prplhz just needs to be swatted with a newspaper. Mild itchiness with an eager Damdred not being around for game start, but then, it's Damdred; he could have fallen down a set of stairs @.@I hate phone posting Lazy rsoul should just get on her pc. And yes, itchiness is like a mild form of scummy in case that's not clear. Maybe more accurate to put it as it rubs me wrong and makes me suspicious. QQ phone posting is hard Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet). Also the comments could be distancing obviously so it does make moderate sense. But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy On January 18 2018 21:37 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 21:32 Holyflare wrote:On January 18 2018 20:56 Damdred wrote:
And so it begins, the hero Damdred enters the building and surveys the damages already done. The mystery would be solved quickly and efficiently because obviously he is the best at what he does. Throwing a note book down on a table he already had names wrote into it.
Slight Town:
Rsoultin
Holyflare
BTDT
Slight Scum:
DF (sorry baby)
Mocsta
Life is unfair when such a great player such as Damdred is on the case, forever isolated from society by his genius. He will win this one even if he had to drag town through it kicking and screaming. And for the itch there is a cream for that just so you know. I don't believe you'd have df and mocsta on the same list when one called out the other. Feels off to me. That was a weak ass call out, besides just a list either way and can change. But I do think its possible. On January 18 2018 21:44 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:25 Damdred wrote:On January 18 2018 21:20 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Hello! Mcosta Rico obviously has a post a bunch of unnecessary fluff. I don't like this. It feels he is trying to inject and clog up the discussion early on, so that later near the vote we don't have a solid lead. On January 18 2018 13:42 Mocsta wrote:On January 18 2018 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
hello comrades On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
who is this mocsta character.... Fear not, for I... am a comrade! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
... and why is he speaking so much? Because I can, Because I want to, Because I desire to... @DarthFoley: Why do you ask?On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. Wise words Kmatt. I want to start calling DarthFoley, AxelFoley... get it + Show Spoiler +Beverly Hills Cop reference. For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal. However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico. Both above feel like mafia in their agenda. But I doubt they are together since it wouldn't make sense for Darthfoley as his team mate to do that. For now both are in my suspect pile until the game develops more. On the oppersite end, Mderg feels the most town. His posts are interacting with the discussion going on and feels like it's coming from a town perspective. Rusissan Rsoultin itch post doesn't get her town in my eyes, as the way she worded it allows her to back track more easily and generally feels like she is not committing to a read. The one's I bolded are the ones Im talking about. On January 18 2018 15:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not a jimmy hendrix fan i gather?
purple haze bruh
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? Nope, missed that reference entirely. I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. So many itches. A holyflare who says hi and scrams when he's at the centre of attention. Though it is late and joke votes obvious, still an itch.Rels hi itchy for similar reasons but less itchy when not center of attention.Darthfoley passive aggression at someone eager to participate ??? (In retrospect this bugs me most at present) Prplhz just needs to be swatted with a newspaper. Mild itchiness with an eager Damdred not being around for game start, but then, it's Damdred; he could have fallen down a set of stairs @.@I hate phone posting Lazy rsoul should just get on her pc. And yes, itchiness is like a mild form of scummy in case that's not clear. Maybe more accurate to put it as it rubs me wrong and makes me suspicious. QQ phone posting is hard Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet). Also the comments could be distancing obviously so it does make moderate sense. But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy Lol, as and you shall be given. I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it. If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way. If that makes sense. But would DF of thought he would of drawn that much attention to Moc? I don't think so necessarily, its a weak entry for DF in any game, he has little follow through (as he really hasn't posted) so its a bit weak anyway. But id be happy just lynching moc today anyway. As for BTDT, mostly its just a gut feeling and I agreed with his insight so he can be an ally for today. While Damdred certainly didn't use the word 'like' as a valley girl might...i.e. " Like, he's just not saying like."...he uses it as both alignments and there is very little difference between frequency. That Damerion claimed he was scum for not using it in four posts when even as town the frequency is more like 1 in every 15 posts says to me that 1) Damerion probably did in fact note down this meta point and 2) should have known it was much too early to make a call on Damdred based on it. This supports my assertion that Damerion was using it to push a case without actually caring about Damdred's alignment.
I have not had the time to look further into how he read Damdred in previous games to evaluate if that lines up with how he evaluated Damdred in this one, but I wanted to post this before I leave for a few hours. TLDR Damerion is scum because 1) He is not involved and making organic reads like he did in his town games and 2) The 'like' meta was true but misapplied with no intention of using it as a tool to actually discern alignment (i.e. scum pushing a lynch) Let me first say that I think you Rsoultin are more than likely town for the way you have went about the game.But this case is a narrative that you have went down from Day One and have continued upon it up to this point. I disagree with your assessments of my filters, I believe that I tunnel on what I see or draws my intentions. I believed I caught Damdred,( he unfortunately was not scum). However I do disagree that I applied his meta incorrectly, even disregarding the like meta he never town hunted the entirety of the game. He was not emotional, never really explained his scum reads to any great degree. And when the lynch was starting to swing away from him instead of pressing the attack and explaining his scum read he tried to shore up a lynch by trying to rally more votes instead of using the logic he generally uses. As for the like meta, we can talk about it post game with Damdred present. And I believe he would agree with me that he uses it when he gets really excited he uses like. And having two scum reads that he sticks to, for the entirety of the day which he was not excited about it at all. Honestly the whole of the post could surmount to you did not like my Damdred read no matter how he responded to it or interacted with the thread and so I must be scum because I was wrong. I was wrong and so I must be scum.
I understand that you're defending yourself, but I don't believe that you believe the bolded. I clearly take issue with how you've approached the game and not the fact that you were wrong.
You also contradict yourself. Does he always town hunt to the exclusion of all else, so his scum reads make him scum, or does not explaining them and not going after them make him scum?
Why would anyone read his initial list post as more than preliminary reads (and yes, he can think people look scummy while 'town-hunting' and often does)? Wasn't he discussing his reads of df and mocsta when you decided that he was focusing on them too much, after he was being questioned?
While I can understand people being wrong, what I don't understand is more or less accurately describing some parts of how Damdred plays while coming to conclusions that don't make sense. It's like...you know of him rather than know him...or something.
But as I said, what will convince me is you playing.
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On January 24 2018 02:58 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 02:54 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2018 02:41 Damerion wrote:
my apologies, missed which one was the case but replying to both is the right decision in any case.
It is simple why I pulled the trigger so quickly, when I am confident I pull the trigger and generally I am correct. Look at my first game on this site, I pulled the trigger almost quicker on Grackanori than on Damdred. And as someone who look at my past games I am somewhat surprised that you make it seem I pulled the trigger quicker here than normal?
Neither is your claim about my confidence, my first game here I pegged the scum team day one and day two. Shot scum Night 2 and then lynched FecalFeast day two. It was only because of people refusing to lynch the person I put up day one that cost us the game when I eventually was killed.
As for the second and third game, I admit in one of my first few posts in the second game that I would be trying a different play style which led to a somewhat different result. But still led to very confident case on Grackanori (wrong whops) and one on Onegu (Correct).
In my third game I sheeped Damdred (who was scum) but was much less active in this game, lynched mafia day one. And got sideswiped by the bus.
So I think to say that my confidence is not mirrored my past games is disingenuous and honestly a twisting of what is shown. I will respond to your case in a moment. While I'll admit that the sense of the game is missing because I didn't participate in those, and that your impression of your own confidence may well be different than how it read to me, what I mean is the laser focus on Damdred, stating you were confident in your read on him in your...what, third or fourth post? You literally had no other reads in thread other than null. Specific null reads had to be solicited. This was not how you caught scum in your other games. To be clear, I do find your town games impressive. This just doesn't seem like one of them. I caught Grackanori off one post, Fecal Feast how he reacted at lynch, Breshke for his push on me. Onegu for lack of interactions in his filter. I sheeped onto TickTock. All are vastly different ways to find mafia, to say that I never latch onto posts and go with it by evidence of Shockeyy and Grackanori is incorrect. I think Damdred still was not playing towards any form of a town game, he tricked me last game by bussing and I thought he was scum here. I do not see why that makes me scum, saying I lacked reads is probably a fair assessment but as my favorite coach said you can only lynch one person at a time so focus and get them lynched.
It's significant because in all the many ways that you have caught scum, as you said, you've always had a moving picture of the game, constantly making reads. Adjusting off your earlier scum reads at some points.
You didn't this one.
I think you're scum for it.
The first two points are set in stone. They won't change and there's no point arguing. The fact that you had such a static, singular focus is what gives me the impression that you were more confident on that read than you should have been.
You can change my mind, but not by insisting that you've caught scum early before, or in different ways. That's not my issue with you.
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Why can it not be both? He town hunts heavily day one especially without coming to hard decisions by the end of day one. While at the same time he generally explains his scum reads more than one sentence even beyond that on day one?
As for him explaining? I disagree, twat had him sort of backpeddling even about them being a team. And even when he backed up from that he decided to still push them. He was correct I was wrong I agree with that however I do not think he was very town at all this game. And others agreed with me while mafia decided not to shore up the wagon exactly while I take all the blame?
In either case tomorrow I am sure I will find scum and be a hero again.
Right now for instance I am sure Mocsta is town, there is no doubt in my mind. Holyflare and yourself are also high but not as high as him.
I think BTDT could be scum, there might be a reason to check into him a bit more. DarthFoley could of been distancing himself slightly or just trying to save himself when he voted but doubtful when I think Damdred was the lynch and not many were interested in switching. So perhaps i'll check into him tonight.
Will have more solid reads in a bit.
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Mocsta is my biggest town read too
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On January 24 2018 04:32 Holyflare wrote:
Mocsta is my biggest town read too lol
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No, for real. Now that he's said it I can see it.
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On January 24 2018 01:48 Damerion wrote:
It might of been a small pool where we have played together, but Damdred has a remarkably large pool of games to pull from. Also it is not beyond the realm of possibility that in our long conversations Damdred and I discussed some aspects of how each other approaches the game.
I don't understand the wording. Did you or did you not have long conversations about how you approach the game with each other where you discussed that point ? It should not just be in the realm of the possiblity, you should know for certain since you were the one having a discussion.
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