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On January 23 2018 22:29 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2018 21:46 Holyflare wrote:On January 23 2018 21:09 rsoultin wrote:
It really irritates me that I can treat you respectfully while disagreeing about mocsta, and actually give your read enough credence to check literally every time you bring up a new point to see if I'm maybe wrong. And hell, maybe I am.
But you don't give me the courtesy of
1) Fully reading something I've worked quite some time on, and
2) Shit on it.
I don't care if you disagree. That's fine. (Well, I do a little, but that has more to do with wanting to persuade people.) Downplaying it pisses me off. ?????? Reminder to discuss this post game. This is a fascinating conversation.
I realize that I posted it publically, but no. If I have an issue with holyflare or he with me post-game we can work that out on our own, thanks. More to the point, I don't at this juncture.
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Understood. Didnt mean to offend.
Intent was outside hf and rsoultin actually and rather talking to different persoanlities and values in general.
Anyways. Wont clog this. Not game directly related
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On January 23 2018 21:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:25 Damdred wrote:On January 18 2018 21:20 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Hello! Mcosta Rico obviously has a post a bunch of unnecessary fluff. I don't like this. It feels he is trying to inject and clog up the discussion early on, so that later near the vote we don't have a solid lead. On January 18 2018 13:42 Mocsta wrote:On January 18 2018 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
hello comrades On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
who is this mocsta character.... Fear not, for I... am a comrade! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
... and why is he speaking so much? Because I can, Because I want to, Because I desire to... @DarthFoley: Why do you ask?On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. Wise words Kmatt. I want to start calling DarthFoley, AxelFoley... get it  + Show Spoiler +Beverly Hills Cop reference. For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal. However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico. Both above feel like mafia in their agenda. But I doubt they are together since it wouldn't make sense for Darthfoley as his team mate to do that. For now both are in my suspect pile until the game develops more. On the oppersite end, Mderg feels the most town. His posts are interacting with the discussion going on and feels like it's coming from a town perspective. Rusissan Rsoultin itch post doesn't get her town in my eyes, as the way she worded it allows her to back track more easily and generally feels like she is not committing to a read. The one's I bolded are the ones Im talking about. On January 18 2018 15:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not a jimmy hendrix fan i gather?
purple haze bruh
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? Nope, missed that reference entirely. I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. So many itches. A holyflare who says hi and scrams when he's at the centre of attention. Though it is late and joke votes obvious, still an itch.Rels hi itchy for similar reasons but less itchy when not center of attention.Darthfoley passive aggression at someone eager to participate ??? (In retrospect this bugs me most at present) Prplhz just needs to be swatted with a newspaper. Mild itchiness with an eager Damdred not being around for game start, but then, it's Damdred; he could have fallen down a set of stairs @.@I hate phone posting  Lazy rsoul should just get on her pc. And yes, itchiness is like a mild form of scummy in case that's not clear. Maybe more accurate to put it as it rubs me wrong and makes me suspicious. QQ phone posting is hard Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet). Also the comments could be distancing obviously so it does make moderate sense. But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy Lol, as and you shall be given. I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it. If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way. If that makes sense. such perfect and sure reads 10 minutes into the game. And he sure love talking about DF. Lol I think he's in love with DF. Basically every single post of his talks about DF. Such attraction. + Show Spoiler +On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal.
However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico.
On January 18 2018 21:26 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Also you don't think Darthfoley and Mcosta Rico are together right? If so, why? On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it.
If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way.
If that makes sense.
On January 18 2018 21:56 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
If Darthfoley was scum with Mcosta Rico, then I would expect him to have presented his "suspections" more strongly since he knows it to be true.
Maybe I am over estimating. Maybe you are under estimating. On January 18 2018 22:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Is meta that thing where people based early reads on a player's past games?
Anyways,
Bold doesn't make since sense everyone who thinks Darthfoley is scum is doing the same.
Can you explain the word usage point more in detail with examples? On January 18 2018 22:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:18 Damerion wrote:
Currently I have very little to go on, mostly just nulls. I will update that as we go.
I am confident that my read on Damdred is correct however, there is clear scum motivation for what he is doing. What is your read on Mcosta Rico and DarthFoley? Damdred just admitted that his meta is to mustang/bus his teammates as mafia. As someone who states he knows his meta, what is your opinion on his reads on them. And what are yours reads on them? On January 18 2018 22:44 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Plus here he looks like he is squirming in the read section. When I pressured him about his DarthFoley + Mcosta Rico team read, he just eventually submitted to me and focused on allying me. On January 18 2018 23:04 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
What do you think of Darthfoley post though? I get the want to have more info on it, but that doesn't rub you as mafia to you?
What about his focus on defending himself. Do you think he is just pressured town? On January 19 2018 01:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
So if you don't like the Damdred or Mcosta Rico vote. Then who you want? Holyflare? Darthfoley? On January 19 2018 02:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:38 Damerion wrote:
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As for my read on Darthfoley, I think he is null one post does a case not make unless he claimed scum.
I do not like Mocsta posts, however I do not think his ramblings are alignment indicative. So pressure him fine but I do not see it, strange yes but nothing beyond that. I was worried about him only seeming to have a read on damdred. But it seems strange for him if he is mafia to exclude the other two prime vote targets at the time from his pool. He also didn't seem worried to frabicate a read or what not on them. Bear in mind this is before the damdred votes piled so it would be a major gamble from him to make it impossible to chase Mcosta Rico and Darthfoley based off current suspecious of them. I felt he was town before, but I think this seals it. Thoughts? Might be partner indicative.
He mentions Mocsta nearly as much as df tbh. Lots of his posts that mention df are in relation to Damdred having df and Mocsta in his scum pile.
The amount of focus he puts on the df and Mocsta scumreads from Damdred is much more unsettling to me.
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On January 23 2018 22:11 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2018 22:01 Holyflare wrote:On January 23 2018 21:52 rsoultin wrote:On January 23 2018 21:46 Holyflare wrote:On January 23 2018 21:09 rsoultin wrote:
It really irritates me that I can treat you respectfully while disagreeing about mocsta, and actually give your read enough credence to check literally every time you bring up a new point to see if I'm maybe wrong. And hell, maybe I am.
But you don't give me the courtesy of
1) Fully reading something I've worked quite some time on, and
2) Shit on it.
I don't care if you disagree. That's fine. (Well, I do a little, but that has more to do with wanting to persuade people.) Downplaying it pisses me off. ?????? Nevermind. I think I'm just oversensitive. Did you read my spoilers? It's in pretty colors to make it easy to compare. I legitimately would like to know why you don't find the case convincing, if it's more than what I mentioned just a moment ago. @Rels...maybe. I really am not sure on things like that. The way I play scum, my issue tends to be ignoring my teammates because I don't know what to do with them. But I recognize others may play differently. It's different absolutely from his other games but it's just my points that I'm hesitant over. Knowing mafia so well it's counter intuitive to me to raise a meta point that's going to backfire and be wrong or get disproven. The meta point wasn't wrong, technically. At least from the two games we have here on TL that they were both in, which is admittedly a very small pool. It was just entirely misused. It's like...I got lynched Day One on some site rayn invited me to with cake where they both rolled mafia. This happened because rayn said that I'd recently called out a whole mafia team before a single flip (true, but that was Himalayas and easily the best town game I've ever played, nor was my Day One play amazing) and thus I must be scum for being underwhelming. He used something true entirely inappropriately to get his lynch. At least some of the meta that Damerion used was true. For instance, his assertion that Damdred usually townhunts Day One (this is part of how I know Damdred to play, too). But it was unnuanced. He didn't wait long enough to test his newly-developed meta read against Damdred's play. He certainly didn't wait long enough to test Damdred's usage of 'like'. This is fine if his approach had been: I'm seeing some things that don't look like Damdred's town game, and he hasn't said a word I expect him to say yet. Could be scum. ^ That makes sense to me with new meta you're testing that early in the game. The certainty behind the case doesn't. I'm saying that he used a scalpel he'd never tested like a bludgeon. And given his success in previous games, I'm not inclined to write it off as newbie eagerness. He's obviously not knew to mafia, just TL Mafia. Which makes sense; Damdred brought me here from another site where we played mafia together as well.
I can get behind that.
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Thats what the case says
Shows much you are paying attwntoion....
Jeez annoying isnt it
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On January 23 2018 22:41 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2018 22:03 Rels wrote:On January 23 2018 21:58 rsoultin wrote:
Actually...even though I felt he was organic before, it is odd that twatty apparently had mocsta and darth foley as scum, but not together, but instead interacts with pretty much everyone but them. Even Damdred. Who he votes as a 'placeholder' until his scumreads talk more?
yeah but actually he wasn't in the thread in the same time as both of them. But yeah about the placeholder vote, then never coming back to change it True, the placeholder vote still is an oddity. Why if you have two scumreads?
The key is whether its acceptable for twat to have issue with damdred reaction. That appears to be the trigger for his vote 2 posts later.
The thing to bear in mind is.
Say twat is scum on me and darth
We have to consider him voting damdred who is also scum on me and darth.
With the kicker that tjey were debating bussing with twat completely against
Its now more than just he voted differently to his top reads. Its the contradiction in rationale.
Im not sure even me as a tunneles townir would do that
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On January 23 2018 22:48 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2018 21:46 Rels wrote:On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:25 Damdred wrote:On January 18 2018 21:20 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Hello! Mcosta Rico obviously has a post a bunch of unnecessary fluff. I don't like this. It feels he is trying to inject and clog up the discussion early on, so that later near the vote we don't have a solid lead. On January 18 2018 13:42 Mocsta wrote:On January 18 2018 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
hello comrades On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
who is this mocsta character.... Fear not, for I... am a comrade! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
... and why is he speaking so much? Because I can, Because I want to, Because I desire to... @DarthFoley: Why do you ask?On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. Wise words Kmatt. I want to start calling DarthFoley, AxelFoley... get it + Show Spoiler +Beverly Hills Cop reference. For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal. However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico. Both above feel like mafia in their agenda. But I doubt they are together since it wouldn't make sense for Darthfoley as his team mate to do that. For now both are in my suspect pile until the game develops more. On the oppersite end, Mderg feels the most town. His posts are interacting with the discussion going on and feels like it's coming from a town perspective. Rusissan Rsoultin itch post doesn't get her town in my eyes, as the way she worded it allows her to back track more easily and generally feels like she is not committing to a read. The one's I bolded are the ones Im talking about. On January 18 2018 15:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not a jimmy hendrix fan i gather?
purple haze bruh
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? Nope, missed that reference entirely. I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. So many itches. A holyflare who says hi and scrams when he's at the centre of attention. Though it is late and joke votes obvious, still an itch.Rels hi itchy for similar reasons but less itchy when not center of attention.Darthfoley passive aggression at someone eager to participate ??? (In retrospect this bugs me most at present) Prplhz just needs to be swatted with a newspaper. Mild itchiness with an eager Damdred not being around for game start, but then, it's Damdred; he could have fallen down a set of stairs @.@I hate phone posting Lazy rsoul should just get on her pc. And yes, itchiness is like a mild form of scummy in case that's not clear. Maybe more accurate to put it as it rubs me wrong and makes me suspicious. QQ phone posting is hard Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet). Also the comments could be distancing obviously so it does make moderate sense. But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy Lol, as and you shall be given. I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it. If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way. If that makes sense. such perfect and sure reads 10 minutes into the game. And he sure love talking about DF. Lol I think he's in love with DF. Basically every single post of his talks about DF. Such attraction. + Show Spoiler +On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal.
However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico.
On January 18 2018 21:26 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Also you don't think Darthfoley and Mcosta Rico are together right? If so, why? On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it.
If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way.
If that makes sense.
On January 18 2018 21:56 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
If Darthfoley was scum with Mcosta Rico, then I would expect him to have presented his "suspections" more strongly since he knows it to be true.
Maybe I am over estimating. Maybe you are under estimating. On January 18 2018 22:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Is meta that thing where people based early reads on a player's past games?
Anyways,
Bold doesn't make since sense everyone who thinks Darthfoley is scum is doing the same.
Can you explain the word usage point more in detail with examples? On January 18 2018 22:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:18 Damerion wrote:
Currently I have very little to go on, mostly just nulls. I will update that as we go.
I am confident that my read on Damdred is correct however, there is clear scum motivation for what he is doing. What is your read on Mcosta Rico and DarthFoley? Damdred just admitted that his meta is to mustang/bus his teammates as mafia. As someone who states he knows his meta, what is your opinion on his reads on them. And what are yours reads on them? On January 18 2018 22:44 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Plus here he looks like he is squirming in the read section. When I pressured him about his DarthFoley + Mcosta Rico team read, he just eventually submitted to me and focused on allying me. On January 18 2018 23:04 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
What do you think of Darthfoley post though? I get the want to have more info on it, but that doesn't rub you as mafia to you?
What about his focus on defending himself. Do you think he is just pressured town? On January 19 2018 01:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
So if you don't like the Damdred or Mcosta Rico vote. Then who you want? Holyflare? Darthfoley? On January 19 2018 02:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:38 Damerion wrote:
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As for my read on Darthfoley, I think he is null one post does a case not make unless he claimed scum.
I do not like Mocsta posts, however I do not think his ramblings are alignment indicative. So pressure him fine but I do not see it, strange yes but nothing beyond that. I was worried about him only seeming to have a read on damdred. But it seems strange for him if he is mafia to exclude the other two prime vote targets at the time from his pool. He also didn't seem worried to frabicate a read or what not on them. Bear in mind this is before the damdred votes piled so it would be a major gamble from him to make it impossible to chase Mcosta Rico and Darthfoley based off current suspecious of them. I felt he was town before, but I think this seals it. Thoughts? Might be partner indicative. He mentions Mocsta nearly as much as df tbh. Lots of his posts that mention df are in relation to Damdred having df and Mocsta in his scum pile. The amount of focus he puts on the df and Mocsta scumreads from Damdred is much more unsettling to me. i read iy differently.
Rather he thought one of dafth and mocsta is scum. But wasnt sure which.
Its the convo bits with damdred that made me think he was tunneled lol. Wjat do you find unsettling?
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On January 23 2018 21:58 rsoultin wrote:
Actually...even though I felt he was organic before, it is odd that twatty apparently had mocsta and darth foley as scum, but not together, but instead interacts with pretty much everyone but them. Even Damdred. Who he votes as a 'placeholder' until his scumreads talk more?
What bugs me most about his vote is that Damdred had both df and Mocsta as scum. Why would he vote someone who has a scumread on both of them?
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On January 23 2018 23:06 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2018 21:58 rsoultin wrote:
Actually...even though I felt he was organic before, it is odd that twatty apparently had mocsta and darth foley as scum, but not together, but instead interacts with pretty much everyone but them. Even Damdred. Who he votes as a 'placeholder' until his scumreads talk more?
What bugs me most about his vote is that Damdred had both df and Mocsta as scum. Why would he vote someone who has a scumread on both of them?
A solid point from both you and mocsta. I'm also inclined to agree with you regarding Rels' post...Darth Foley and mocsta both were mentioned quite frequently.
Also \o/ @holyflare.
@mocsta, no harm done. You didn't offend.
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On January 23 2018 23:06 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2018 21:58 rsoultin wrote:
Actually...even though I felt he was organic before, it is odd that twatty apparently had mocsta and darth foley as scum, but not together, but instead interacts with pretty much everyone but them. Even Damdred. Who he votes as a 'placeholder' until his scumreads talk more?
What bugs me most about his vote is that Damdred had both df and Mocsta as scum. Why would he vote someone who has a scumread on both of them?
I mean, I can actually think of a reason but I think that if he ever comes back it's better to ask him, so I won't post it here.
I guess it's not entirely impossible coming from town. Too bad he's not around to prod at to see what he says :/
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On January 23 2018 22:54 Mocsta wrote:
Thats what the case says
Shows much you are paying attwntoion....
Jeez annoying isnt it
I don't purport to be paying attention however
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On January 23 2018 23:02 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2018 22:41 rsoultin wrote:On January 23 2018 22:03 Rels wrote:On January 23 2018 21:58 rsoultin wrote:
Actually...even though I felt he was organic before, it is odd that twatty apparently had mocsta and darth foley as scum, but not together, but instead interacts with pretty much everyone but them. Even Damdred. Who he votes as a 'placeholder' until his scumreads talk more?
yeah but actually he wasn't in the thread in the same time as both of them. But yeah about the placeholder vote, then never coming back to change it True, the placeholder vote still is an oddity. Why if you have two scumreads? The key is whether its acceptable for twat to have issue with damdred reaction. That appears to be the trigger for his vote 2 posts later. The thing to bear in mind is. Say twat is scum on me and darth We have to consider him voting damdred who is also scum on me and darth. With the kicker that tjey were debating bussing with twat completely against Its now more than just he voted differently to his top reads. Its the contradiction in rationale. Im not sure even me as a tunneles townir would do that
I think this may be too black and white. You're saying that he doesn't think both df and you are scum because he doesn't think you'd buss. But he believes one of you are scum.
Then because Damdred thinks both of you are scum, he essentially thinks that Damdred is bussing one of his scumreads. And shouldn't because he didn't believe you two would buss each other.
I think the bolded makes sense if the context is the same, but only then.
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On January 23 2018 22:48 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2018 21:46 Rels wrote:On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:25 Damdred wrote:On January 18 2018 21:20 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Hello! Mcosta Rico obviously has a post a bunch of unnecessary fluff. I don't like this. It feels he is trying to inject and clog up the discussion early on, so that later near the vote we don't have a solid lead. On January 18 2018 13:42 Mocsta wrote:On January 18 2018 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
hello comrades On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
who is this mocsta character.... Fear not, for I... am a comrade! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
... and why is he speaking so much? Because I can, Because I want to, Because I desire to... @DarthFoley: Why do you ask?On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. Wise words Kmatt. I want to start calling DarthFoley, AxelFoley... get it + Show Spoiler +Beverly Hills Cop reference. For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal. However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico. Both above feel like mafia in their agenda. But I doubt they are together since it wouldn't make sense for Darthfoley as his team mate to do that. For now both are in my suspect pile until the game develops more. On the oppersite end, Mderg feels the most town. His posts are interacting with the discussion going on and feels like it's coming from a town perspective. Rusissan Rsoultin itch post doesn't get her town in my eyes, as the way she worded it allows her to back track more easily and generally feels like she is not committing to a read. The one's I bolded are the ones Im talking about. On January 18 2018 15:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not a jimmy hendrix fan i gather?
purple haze bruh
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? Nope, missed that reference entirely. I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. So many itches. A holyflare who says hi and scrams when he's at the centre of attention. Though it is late and joke votes obvious, still an itch.Rels hi itchy for similar reasons but less itchy when not center of attention.Darthfoley passive aggression at someone eager to participate ??? (In retrospect this bugs me most at present) Prplhz just needs to be swatted with a newspaper. Mild itchiness with an eager Damdred not being around for game start, but then, it's Damdred; he could have fallen down a set of stairs @.@I hate phone posting Lazy rsoul should just get on her pc. And yes, itchiness is like a mild form of scummy in case that's not clear. Maybe more accurate to put it as it rubs me wrong and makes me suspicious. QQ phone posting is hard Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet). Also the comments could be distancing obviously so it does make moderate sense. But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy Lol, as and you shall be given. I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it. If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way. If that makes sense. such perfect and sure reads 10 minutes into the game. And he sure love talking about DF. Lol I think he's in love with DF. Basically every single post of his talks about DF. Such attraction. + Show Spoiler +On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal.
However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico.
On January 18 2018 21:26 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Also you don't think Darthfoley and Mcosta Rico are together right? If so, why? On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it.
If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way.
If that makes sense.
On January 18 2018 21:56 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
If Darthfoley was scum with Mcosta Rico, then I would expect him to have presented his "suspections" more strongly since he knows it to be true.
Maybe I am over estimating. Maybe you are under estimating. On January 18 2018 22:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Is meta that thing where people based early reads on a player's past games?
Anyways,
Bold doesn't make since sense everyone who thinks Darthfoley is scum is doing the same.
Can you explain the word usage point more in detail with examples? On January 18 2018 22:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:18 Damerion wrote:
Currently I have very little to go on, mostly just nulls. I will update that as we go.
I am confident that my read on Damdred is correct however, there is clear scum motivation for what he is doing. What is your read on Mcosta Rico and DarthFoley? Damdred just admitted that his meta is to mustang/bus his teammates as mafia. As someone who states he knows his meta, what is your opinion on his reads on them. And what are yours reads on them? On January 18 2018 22:44 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Plus here he looks like he is squirming in the read section. When I pressured him about his DarthFoley + Mcosta Rico team read, he just eventually submitted to me and focused on allying me. On January 18 2018 23:04 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
What do you think of Darthfoley post though? I get the want to have more info on it, but that doesn't rub you as mafia to you?
What about his focus on defending himself. Do you think he is just pressured town? On January 19 2018 01:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
So if you don't like the Damdred or Mcosta Rico vote. Then who you want? Holyflare? Darthfoley? On January 19 2018 02:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:38 Damerion wrote:
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As for my read on Darthfoley, I think he is null one post does a case not make unless he claimed scum.
I do not like Mocsta posts, however I do not think his ramblings are alignment indicative. So pressure him fine but I do not see it, strange yes but nothing beyond that. I was worried about him only seeming to have a read on damdred. But it seems strange for him if he is mafia to exclude the other two prime vote targets at the time from his pool. He also didn't seem worried to frabicate a read or what not on them. Bear in mind this is before the damdred votes piled so it would be a major gamble from him to make it impossible to chase Mcosta Rico and Darthfoley based off current suspecious of them. I felt he was town before, but I think this seals it. Thoughts? Might be partner indicative. He mentions Mocsta nearly as much as df tbh. Lots of his posts that mention df are in relation to Damdred having df and Mocsta in his scum pile. The amount of focus he puts on the df and Mocsta scumreads from Damdred is much more unsettling to me.
that's true. I was focused on DF so I didn't see that. Nevertheless the fact that he's seeing almost all the game from only this prism (one of Mocsta / DF is scum, I dont' know which one, Damdred is scum because he thinks both Mocsta and DF are scum) is weird to me. He's, like (lol I'm a valley girl), decided one thing is true, then he's playing the game only using this. It's not fluid, it's not chaotic like an early game should be.
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On January 23 2018 23:06 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2018 22:48 mderg wrote:On January 23 2018 21:46 Rels wrote:On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:25 Damdred wrote:On January 18 2018 21:20 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Hello! Mcosta Rico obviously has a post a bunch of unnecessary fluff. I don't like this. It feels he is trying to inject and clog up the discussion early on, so that later near the vote we don't have a solid lead. On January 18 2018 13:42 Mocsta wrote:On January 18 2018 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
hello comrades On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
who is this mocsta character.... Fear not, for I... am a comrade! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
... and why is he speaking so much? Because I can, Because I want to, Because I desire to... @DarthFoley: Why do you ask?On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. Wise words Kmatt. I want to start calling DarthFoley, AxelFoley... get it + Show Spoiler +Beverly Hills Cop reference. For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal. However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico. Both above feel like mafia in their agenda. But I doubt they are together since it wouldn't make sense for Darthfoley as his team mate to do that. For now both are in my suspect pile until the game develops more. On the oppersite end, Mderg feels the most town. His posts are interacting with the discussion going on and feels like it's coming from a town perspective. Rusissan Rsoultin itch post doesn't get her town in my eyes, as the way she worded it allows her to back track more easily and generally feels like she is not committing to a read. The one's I bolded are the ones Im talking about. On January 18 2018 15:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not a jimmy hendrix fan i gather?
purple haze bruh
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? Nope, missed that reference entirely. I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. So many itches. A holyflare who says hi and scrams when he's at the centre of attention. Though it is late and joke votes obvious, still an itch.Rels hi itchy for similar reasons but less itchy when not center of attention.Darthfoley passive aggression at someone eager to participate ??? (In retrospect this bugs me most at present) Prplhz just needs to be swatted with a newspaper. Mild itchiness with an eager Damdred not being around for game start, but then, it's Damdred; he could have fallen down a set of stairs @.@I hate phone posting Lazy rsoul should just get on her pc. And yes, itchiness is like a mild form of scummy in case that's not clear. Maybe more accurate to put it as it rubs me wrong and makes me suspicious. QQ phone posting is hard Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet). Also the comments could be distancing obviously so it does make moderate sense. But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy Lol, as and you shall be given. I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it. If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way. If that makes sense. such perfect and sure reads 10 minutes into the game. And he sure love talking about DF. Lol I think he's in love with DF. Basically every single post of his talks about DF. Such attraction. + Show Spoiler +On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal.
However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico.
On January 18 2018 21:26 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Also you don't think Darthfoley and Mcosta Rico are together right? If so, why? On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it.
If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way.
If that makes sense.
On January 18 2018 21:56 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
If Darthfoley was scum with Mcosta Rico, then I would expect him to have presented his "suspections" more strongly since he knows it to be true.
Maybe I am over estimating. Maybe you are under estimating. On January 18 2018 22:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Is meta that thing where people based early reads on a player's past games?
Anyways,
Bold doesn't make since sense everyone who thinks Darthfoley is scum is doing the same.
Can you explain the word usage point more in detail with examples? On January 18 2018 22:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:18 Damerion wrote:
Currently I have very little to go on, mostly just nulls. I will update that as we go.
I am confident that my read on Damdred is correct however, there is clear scum motivation for what he is doing. What is your read on Mcosta Rico and DarthFoley? Damdred just admitted that his meta is to mustang/bus his teammates as mafia. As someone who states he knows his meta, what is your opinion on his reads on them. And what are yours reads on them? On January 18 2018 22:44 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Plus here he looks like he is squirming in the read section. When I pressured him about his DarthFoley + Mcosta Rico team read, he just eventually submitted to me and focused on allying me. On January 18 2018 23:04 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
What do you think of Darthfoley post though? I get the want to have more info on it, but that doesn't rub you as mafia to you?
What about his focus on defending himself. Do you think he is just pressured town? On January 19 2018 01:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
So if you don't like the Damdred or Mcosta Rico vote. Then who you want? Holyflare? Darthfoley? On January 19 2018 02:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:38 Damerion wrote:
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As for my read on Darthfoley, I think he is null one post does a case not make unless he claimed scum.
I do not like Mocsta posts, however I do not think his ramblings are alignment indicative. So pressure him fine but I do not see it, strange yes but nothing beyond that. I was worried about him only seeming to have a read on damdred. But it seems strange for him if he is mafia to exclude the other two prime vote targets at the time from his pool. He also didn't seem worried to frabicate a read or what not on them. Bear in mind this is before the damdred votes piled so it would be a major gamble from him to make it impossible to chase Mcosta Rico and Darthfoley based off current suspecious of them. I felt he was town before, but I think this seals it. Thoughts? Might be partner indicative. He mentions Mocsta nearly as much as df tbh. Lots of his posts that mention df are in relation to Damdred having df and Mocsta in his scum pile. The amount of focus he puts on the df and Mocsta scumreads from Damdred is much more unsettling to me. i read iy differently. Rather he thought one of dafth and mocsta is scum. But wasnt sure which. Its the convo bits with damdred that made me think he was tunneled lol. Wjat do you find unsettling?
It's the way he can't see a world where you and df are scum together and distancing yourselves from each other. It feels like half his posts are about that but he doesn't even think twice about Damdred bussing you or df. It doesn't really feel natural.
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On January 23 2018 23:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2018 22:48 mderg wrote:On January 23 2018 21:46 Rels wrote:On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:25 Damdred wrote:On January 18 2018 21:20 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Hello! Mcosta Rico obviously has a post a bunch of unnecessary fluff. I don't like this. It feels he is trying to inject and clog up the discussion early on, so that later near the vote we don't have a solid lead. On January 18 2018 13:42 Mocsta wrote:On January 18 2018 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
hello comrades On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
who is this mocsta character.... Fear not, for I... am a comrade! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
... and why is he speaking so much? Because I can, Because I want to, Because I desire to... @DarthFoley: Why do you ask?On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. Wise words Kmatt. I want to start calling DarthFoley, AxelFoley... get it + Show Spoiler +Beverly Hills Cop reference. For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal. However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico. Both above feel like mafia in their agenda. But I doubt they are together since it wouldn't make sense for Darthfoley as his team mate to do that. For now both are in my suspect pile until the game develops more. On the oppersite end, Mderg feels the most town. His posts are interacting with the discussion going on and feels like it's coming from a town perspective. Rusissan Rsoultin itch post doesn't get her town in my eyes, as the way she worded it allows her to back track more easily and generally feels like she is not committing to a read. The one's I bolded are the ones Im talking about. On January 18 2018 15:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not a jimmy hendrix fan i gather?
purple haze bruh
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? Nope, missed that reference entirely. I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. So many itches. A holyflare who says hi and scrams when he's at the centre of attention. Though it is late and joke votes obvious, still an itch.Rels hi itchy for similar reasons but less itchy when not center of attention.Darthfoley passive aggression at someone eager to participate ??? (In retrospect this bugs me most at present) Prplhz just needs to be swatted with a newspaper. Mild itchiness with an eager Damdred not being around for game start, but then, it's Damdred; he could have fallen down a set of stairs @.@I hate phone posting Lazy rsoul should just get on her pc. And yes, itchiness is like a mild form of scummy in case that's not clear. Maybe more accurate to put it as it rubs me wrong and makes me suspicious. QQ phone posting is hard Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet). Also the comments could be distancing obviously so it does make moderate sense. But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy Lol, as and you shall be given. I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it. If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way. If that makes sense. such perfect and sure reads 10 minutes into the game. And he sure love talking about DF. Lol I think he's in love with DF. Basically every single post of his talks about DF. Such attraction. + Show Spoiler +On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal.
However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico.
On January 18 2018 21:26 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Also you don't think Darthfoley and Mcosta Rico are together right? If so, why? On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it.
If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way.
If that makes sense.
On January 18 2018 21:56 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
If Darthfoley was scum with Mcosta Rico, then I would expect him to have presented his "suspections" more strongly since he knows it to be true.
Maybe I am over estimating. Maybe you are under estimating. On January 18 2018 22:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Is meta that thing where people based early reads on a player's past games?
Anyways,
Bold doesn't make since sense everyone who thinks Darthfoley is scum is doing the same.
Can you explain the word usage point more in detail with examples? On January 18 2018 22:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:18 Damerion wrote:
Currently I have very little to go on, mostly just nulls. I will update that as we go.
I am confident that my read on Damdred is correct however, there is clear scum motivation for what he is doing. What is your read on Mcosta Rico and DarthFoley? Damdred just admitted that his meta is to mustang/bus his teammates as mafia. As someone who states he knows his meta, what is your opinion on his reads on them. And what are yours reads on them? On January 18 2018 22:44 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Plus here he looks like he is squirming in the read section. When I pressured him about his DarthFoley + Mcosta Rico team read, he just eventually submitted to me and focused on allying me. On January 18 2018 23:04 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
What do you think of Darthfoley post though? I get the want to have more info on it, but that doesn't rub you as mafia to you?
What about his focus on defending himself. Do you think he is just pressured town? On January 19 2018 01:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
So if you don't like the Damdred or Mcosta Rico vote. Then who you want? Holyflare? Darthfoley? On January 19 2018 02:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:38 Damerion wrote:
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As for my read on Darthfoley, I think he is null one post does a case not make unless he claimed scum.
I do not like Mocsta posts, however I do not think his ramblings are alignment indicative. So pressure him fine but I do not see it, strange yes but nothing beyond that. I was worried about him only seeming to have a read on damdred. But it seems strange for him if he is mafia to exclude the other two prime vote targets at the time from his pool. He also didn't seem worried to frabicate a read or what not on them. Bear in mind this is before the damdred votes piled so it would be a major gamble from him to make it impossible to chase Mcosta Rico and Darthfoley based off current suspecious of them. I felt he was town before, but I think this seals it. Thoughts? Might be partner indicative. He mentions Mocsta nearly as much as df tbh. Lots of his posts that mention df are in relation to Damdred having df and Mocsta in his scum pile. The amount of focus he puts on the df and Mocsta scumreads from Damdred is much more unsettling to me. that's true. I was focused on DF so I didn't see that. Nevertheless the fact that he's seeing almost all the game from only this prism (one of Mocsta / DF is scum, I dont' know which one, Damdred is scum because he thinks both Mocsta and DF are scum) is weird to me. He's, like (lol I'm a valley girl), decided one thing is true, then he's playing the game only using this. It's not fluid, it's not chaotic like an early game should be.
I like this point, though.
Lol, you know what concerns me? Apart from BTDT, the people I'm most suspicious of are all AFK. I'm not in any way saying that it's impossible that the scum team is just AFK, but they're not here to defend themselves/change our minds by their later play. And I think that if we have even a semi-active scum on the team we'll miss them :/
That said, I really do think I'd lynch all three before any of you >< I guess I'm just worrying about being wrong. I don't think we have enough mislynches if only one of them is scum.
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My plan is working. Excellent.
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On January 23 2018 23:52 Holyflare wrote:
My plan is working. Excellent.
I'm gonna be mad at myself if that's true. And I'll be a living hell in all future games we're in together
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