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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 23 2018 21:19 Rels wrote: lol HF didn't change his reads once. Don't know if he's ever scum this game. It would make no sense Eh, you've probably got a point. His scum game is good enough to allow for read changes. I shouldn't badger him about scum-siding before we have a Damerion flip, but it's hard. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On January 23 2018 21:21 rsoultin wrote: I mean, this is all water under the bridge at this point, but given the tone of the rest of his post that's part of why I found it hard to buy holyflare's Damdred panicked story. It was an entirely stupid response to being 'caught'. In the context of the post, that was mostly a brush-off as it read to me, it just sounds like he said whatever without considering how it would look to say it. Which usually means it's just true -shrugs- A truly panicked post I would expect to be aggressively defensive. I don't agree. I saw what HF saw, IE it looked like Damdred came up with a random explanation to explain Damerion's point and tried to brush it off. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 23 2018 21:24 Rels wrote: I don't agree. I saw what HF saw, IE it looked like Damdred came up with a random explanation to explain Damerion's point and tried to brush it off. -shrugs- I don't really see much point to jabbering about this unless it's helping you get a read on me because you didn't understand why I didn't think that Damdred was scum? Cause honestly it just comes down to I read Damdred correctly and y'all didn't. And he's dead. So...yeah. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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rsoultin
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On January 23 2018 21:28 Rels wrote: well you could have saved him. p: God don't remind me lol >< I might have overposted before to the point of detrimental, but that's the most overt case for sure. I remember going to look at the vote thread, pouting that even if I changed to BTDT against Damdred's wishes (and yes I did hesitate cause I'm an emotional goober before deciding fuck Damdred's town read) he'd still be lynched cause evil Rels had switched. Wrote out my pout. And you'd fucking swtiched to BTDT ;o; In retrospect, it may have been for the best; I think the Damdred issue would have dominated the thread until he flipped. But I miss him. And I'm a boob -_- | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On January 23 2018 21:03 rsoultin wrote: Dude, chill. I'm stating reality. I've said, multiple times since night 1, that I'm tonereading you town despite your scumsiding play. And, by the way, did you look at the spoilers? Yes, I repeated what I said based on feels from reading those filters, but I took quite a lot of time to confirm that those feels actually reflected reality. And presented the evidence for you. Meanwhile you say the evidence was stacked against Damdred and you rely on evidence. Unless you have a reason other than "I don't think scum hard pushes a town lynch there" which they do, and you do as scum, so hello bullshit meter, there's your evidence. And I don't want to hear any more degrading my case. It's good. I could be wrong, but it's solid. It doesn't look like his town game because he wasn't as engaged when he was active in the thread, and there is no way his meta test on Damdred's play could have possibly given him such a strong read on Damdred so early. He's either an idiot with meta (possible, but unlikely given his former town play) or he has to know that was bullshit, i.e. scum. Calm down dude, I'm saying that you summarised what you've said and it's not new so Mocsta suddenly having an epiphany just reconfirms what I'm saying about him not paying attention. Nothing to do with your case at all. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: Lol, as and you shall be given. I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it. If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way. If that makes sense. such perfect and sure reads 10 minutes into the game. And he sure love talking about DF. Lol I think he's in love with DF. Basically every single post of his talks about DF. Such attraction. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal. However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico. On January 18 2018 21:26 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: Also you don't think Darthfoley and Mcosta Rico are together right? If so, why? On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it. If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way. If that makes sense. On January 18 2018 21:56 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: If Darthfoley was scum with Mcosta Rico, then I would expect him to have presented his "suspections" more strongly since he knows it to be true. Maybe I am over estimating. Maybe you are under estimating. On January 18 2018 22:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: Is meta that thing where people based early reads on a player's past games? Anyways, Bold doesn't make since sense everyone who thinks Darthfoley is scum is doing the same. Can you explain the word usage point more in detail with examples? On January 18 2018 22:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: What is your read on Mcosta Rico and DarthFoley? Damdred just admitted that his meta is to mustang/bus his teammates as mafia. As someone who states he knows his meta, what is your opinion on his reads on them. And what are yours reads on them? On January 18 2018 22:44 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: Plus here he looks like he is squirming in the read section. When I pressured him about his DarthFoley + Mcosta Rico team read, he just eventually submitted to me and focused on allying me. On January 18 2018 23:04 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: What do you think of Darthfoley post though? I get the want to have more info on it, but that doesn't rub you as mafia to you? What about his focus on defending himself. Do you think he is just pressured town? On January 19 2018 01:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: So if you don't like the Damdred or Mcosta Rico vote. Then who you want? Holyflare? Darthfoley? On January 19 2018 02:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote: I was worried about him only seeming to have a read on damdred. But it seems strange for him if he is mafia to exclude the other two prime vote targets at the time from his pool. He also didn't seem worried to frabicate a read or what not on them. Bear in mind this is before the damdred votes piled so it would be a major gamble from him to make it impossible to chase Mcosta Rico and Darthfoley based off current suspecious of them. I felt he was town before, but I think this seals it. Thoughts? Might be partner indicative. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On January 23 2018 21:09 rsoultin wrote: It really irritates me that I can treat you respectfully while disagreeing about mocsta, and actually give your read enough credence to check literally every time you bring up a new point to see if I'm maybe wrong. And hell, maybe I am. But you don't give me the courtesy of 1) Fully reading something I've worked quite some time on, and 2) Shit on it. I don't care if you disagree. That's fine. (Well, I do a little, but that has more to do with wanting to persuade people.) Downplaying it pisses me off. ?????? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Nevermind. I think I'm just oversensitive. Did you read my spoilers? It's in pretty colors to make it easy to compare. I legitimately would like to know why you don't find the case convincing, if it's more than what I mentioned just a moment ago. @Rels...maybe. I really am not sure on things like that. The way I play scum, my issue tends to be ignoring my teammates because I don't know what to do with them. But I recognize others may play differently. | ||
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rsoultin
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On January 23 2018 21:52 rsoultin wrote: Nevermind. I think I'm just oversensitive. Did you read my spoilers? It's in pretty colors to make it easy to compare. I legitimately would like to know why you don't find the case convincing, if it's more than what I mentioned just a moment ago. @Rels...maybe. I really am not sure on things like that. The way I play scum, my issue tends to be ignoring my teammates because I don't know what to do with them. But I recognize others may play differently. It's different absolutely from his other games but it's just my points that I'm hesitant over. Knowing mafia so well it's counter intuitive to me to raise a meta point that's going to backfire and be wrong or get disproven. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 23 2018 21:58 rsoultin wrote: Actually...even though I felt he was organic before, it is odd that twatty apparently had mocsta and darth foley as scum, but not together, but instead interacts with pretty much everyone but them. Even Damdred. Who he votes as a 'placeholder' until his scumreads talk more? Disregard. Contextually it makes sense when you take into account that neither were really in the thread when he was. Back to square one for Tina lol >< | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On January 23 2018 21:58 rsoultin wrote: Actually...even though I felt he was organic before, it is odd that twatty apparently had mocsta and darth foley as scum, but not together, but instead interacts with pretty much everyone but them. Even Damdred. Who he votes as a 'placeholder' until his scumreads talk more? yeah but actually he wasn't in the thread in the same time as both of them. But yeah about the placeholder vote, then never coming back to change it | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 23 2018 22:01 Holyflare wrote: It's different absolutely from his other games but it's just my points that I'm hesitant over. Knowing mafia so well it's counter intuitive to me to raise a meta point that's going to backfire and be wrong or get disproven. The meta point wasn't wrong, technically. At least from the two games we have here on TL that they were both in, which is admittedly a very small pool. It was just entirely misused. It's like...I got lynched Day One on some site rayn invited me to with cake where they both rolled mafia. This happened because rayn said that I'd recently called out a whole mafia team before a single flip (true, but that was Himalayas and easily the best town game I've ever played, nor was my Day One play amazing) and thus I must be scum for being underwhelming. He used something true entirely inappropriately to get his lynch. At least some of the meta that Damerion used was true. For instance, his assertion that Damdred usually townhunts Day One (this is part of how I know Damdred to play, too). But it was unnuanced. He didn't wait long enough to test his newly-developed meta read against Damdred's play. He certainly didn't wait long enough to test Damdred's usage of 'like'. This is fine if his approach had been: I'm seeing some things that don't look like Damdred's town game, and he hasn't said a word I expect him to say yet. Could be scum. ^ That makes sense to me with new meta you're testing that early in the game. The certainty behind the case doesn't. I'm saying that he used a scalpel he'd never tested like a bludgeon. And given his success in previous games, I'm not inclined to write it off as newbie eagerness. He's obviously not knew to mafia, just TL Mafia. Which makes sense; Damdred brought me here from another site where we played mafia together as well. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
My interest is intent. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On January 23 2018 21:14 Rels wrote: dunno if DF makes his first post on mocsta, especially with that aggressive attitude, if they're partners. I know he was aggressive to me too later, saying something like "explain to me, and precisely please." If DF isn't a very good scum the game could be solved maybe. Lol this is what i mean with unplanned and pleasant outcome My opening was unconventional by todays standards so looks like easy shade to throw If anything. Whethee good or bad scum. He should ignore my entrance or force me to talk to establish better innocence. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
Reminder to discuss this post game. This is a fascinating conversation. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On January 23 2018 21:58 rsoultin wrote: Actually...even though I felt he was organic before, it is odd that twatty apparently had mocsta and darth foley as scum, but not together, but instead interacts with pretty much everyone but them. Even Damdred. Who he votes as a 'placeholder' until his scumreads talk more? I cant believe i didnt notice this I just thought he was an over enthusiastic tunneled townie To be honesr. Reminded me of my newbie games  Yea I realise this dosnt look good for me. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On January 23 2018 22:01 Holyflare wrote: It's different absolutely from his other games but it's just my points that I'm hesitant over. Knowing mafia so well it's counter intuitive to me to raise a meta point that's going to backfire and be wrong or get disproven. How you perceive good play is not how others do. He probably raised the case to get discussion away from darthfoley and didnt expect it to stick which was in unplanned due to damdred reaction | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 23 2018 22:03 Rels wrote: yeah but actually he wasn't in the thread in the same time as both of them. But yeah about the placeholder vote, then never coming back to change it True, the placeholder vote still is an oddity. Why if you have two scumreads? | ||
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