JAT is asleep and won't post for hours. His slot is df centric, fell completely off after df got lynched despite "always being around" like he said at the start of the game.

Twat also had mocsta/df as suspicious at the beginning of the game yet when talking to damdred found it weird he had the same.

Twat has also voted damdred for no discernable reason whatsoever (read: to save df) even though damdred shared the mocsta/df read that he had and twat even said he couldn't see scummy things about damdred.

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

January 24 2018 00:26 GMT

#822

On January 24 2018 03:12 Damerion wrote:
I think BTDT could be scum, there might be a reason to check into him a bit more. DarthFoley could of been distancing himself slightly or just trying to save himself when he voted but doubtful when I think Damdred was the lynch and not many were interested in switching. So perhaps i'll check into him tonight.

so a check was burnt to confirm the outcome of the darthfoley/btdt day1 wagons.

where does this get us now?

"Confirmed"

Damerion
BTDT
Mocsta

"High Likely Town"
Rels
mderg
Holyflare

"PoE"
TWAT(Jat)
Kmatt

In HF eyes, Kmatt/Mocsta are transferable.

Regardless, a lot of this lines up as I truly believe the ppl posting every day care about this game and are town.

The question is whether a cop would proactively scum hunt Day 1.
The whole issue is, many of us saw the DAmdred meta as a poke. and it was the lack of understanding of the reaction that snowballed into a wagon.
Why cant a cop call someone out?

Going to mull on this. Want to hear from JAT in the meantime.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

January 24 2018 00:26 GMT

#823

Ignore the voting to save df bit, his vote was before all that.

Damerion

149 Posts

January 24 2018 00:27 GMT

#824

To be frank @Mocsta I looked over Damdreds filter after I lynched him and he did have a decent point about your vote at that point.

I also wanted to check someone I did not have a firm read on, was unlikely to be a mafia kill and was unlikely to be a vigilante target.

You were also a target of some conversation d1 so it made sense to me eventually you would be up for lynch and a check one way or another could make the day easier in the future.

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

January 24 2018 00:29 GMT

#825

On January 24 2018 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
I'm prepped to insinuate godfather because so far only a goon has flipped and vigilante and cop is not balanced against goon/goon/goon so mafia will have a rber/gf/framer somewhere in there.

I'm thinking a rber to counter vig and cop and a gf because it's passive and won't fuck with cop and inordinate amount.

fair enough. but debating game mechanics is not alignment indicative.

This is stupid because if I red-checked you would vote, and if I green-checked you would say godfather.

Why cant BTDT be a godfather? This is now blatant bias.

Again, if you want me to be Day3 focus, go ahead. But front up instead of peppering little comments around.

You are actually making the thread harder for the inactives.

I am going to take the position that the outcome above is unintentional (i.e. no done maliciously)

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 24 2018 03:28 GMT

#826

beentheredonethat

2934 Posts

January 24 2018 05:13 GMT

#827

I got roleblocked twice in a row

Kmatt

United States1019 Posts

January 24 2018 06:00 GMT

#828

As much as I dislike HF's post for reasons Mocsta stated above, a Godfather is certainly on the table.

I'd be happy lynching the Twat Slot/JAT today.

BTDT is sketchy too, but I'm still unsure how to interpret his roleblock claim. I know if I was playing as Godfather I could use that excuse if I knew the people who had been roleblocked are dead and I can claim it uncontested. If there's no RB in a (semi-)closed setup then I'd be even bolder to take that potential credit. I'll wait to hear more on him.

Kmatt

United States1019 Posts

January 24 2018 06:06 GMT

#829

Beyond that I'm willing to accept Damerion's claim(s), which puts the remaining potential townies at Mocsta/Rels/HF/Mderg. Rels is on the nice list, as is Mderg. HF is still HF, but he's certainly not my vote today. Mocsta is more null to me. A lot of text but nothing stands out to say "This guy is town". Cop checks are a bit more reliable than my gut, so until we get into a 4-way cop claim-off I'll let him slide.

Kmatt

United States1019 Posts

January 24 2018 06:10 GMT

#830

Actually looking back over filters, Twat went full AFK, even moreso than me. I'll hold on to my vote to see how JAT looks today. If nothing else I'll ice BTDT.

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

January 24 2018 07:00 GMT

#831

On January 24 2018 14:13 beentheredonethat wrote:
I got roleblocked twice in a row

Why not comment on this during Day2?

justanothertownie

16324 Posts

January 24 2018 07:13 GMT

#832

Hello friends!

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

January 24 2018 07:19 GMT

#833

i dont get this play whatever.. my head is exploding!

If BTDT is scum (i.e. godfather) and checked green. why come out with this?

(1) like... lets say we believe BTDT... then damerion flips cop... BTDT is auto lynch next cycle.
Thats just totally stupid.

(2) Perhaps both are scum, and want one of them to ride this to the end.
Its not that bad a strategy, now that I think about it. Intent would be to lynch Damerion, who flips anything but cop.
I just think the idea in general is too crazy... what this game is normally 2 blues? This play is forcing an either/or situation which just seems suicidal for scum?

if BTDT is town...
(1) I dont get withholding the info Day2.

Re-reading the darthfoley vote

On January 20 2018 04:58 Conversion wrote:
Day One Vote Count

Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, ~~Rels~~, Mocsta
beentheredonethat (5): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley

Not Voting (4): Kmatt, beentheredonethat, damdred, prplhz

Given damdred is town, why did he jump onto BTDT.. Did he read rsoultin as biggest town cred and wanted to +1; or did it not matter because damdred/btdt are town?

So this becomes relevant

On January 20 2018 04:39 rsoultin wrote:
But since you're here, where are you on mocsta?

On January 20 2018 04:48 darthfoley wrote:
[talks about mocsta...]

So yea he's still on my scum list.

Also ##Vote: BTDT

On January 20 2018 04:50 darthfoley wrote:
Atm I think BTDT/Mocsta/Kelscier are decent chances to hit scum. Rsoultin as well

So it would appear he is trying to appease Rsoultin by voting with her lead; but moreso, that he then shits on Rsoultin below.

Thats what I dont get. This allows him to remove his vote and put it on Me/Kelsier at any point.
Im stuck.
If BTDT is town, DF vote didtn matter. Damdred or BTDT were getting lynched with 4/4.
If BTDT is scum, DF vote was a little risk, but still didtn matter because damdred reached 4 first.
Was taking a gamble on afk action.
i think thats pretty unlikely action for day1 scum.

This would suggest BTDT is town, damerion is lying.

thoughts people?

justanothertownie

16324 Posts

January 24 2018 07:21 GMT

#834

Without any indept reading I am already highly sceptical of this cop claim. Cop + Vig + potential X is very very strong. Basically town can win the game during night 1 if mafia is lynched. Also, if I understand it correctly damerion was the go to lynch and strongly pushed by town!rsoultin who died in the night. This claim is good mafia play since cop is the only role that can reasonably be fakeclaimed here to save yourself and to press your agenda. I am also wondering why HF instantly believes it.

If this was not a newbie game Damerion would already be my 100 % lynch for today. My job for this dayphase will be to read everything and doublecheck if a setup like this is actually conceivable considering past Kita Newbies. It would of course be nice.

Rels

France13467 Posts

January 24 2018 07:27 GMT

#835

On January 24 2018 09:06 Damerion wrote:
Also to give plenty of time for discussion and since I believe it clears more than myself anyway.

Hard claiming cop

Night One I checked Mocsta before my shift and it returned green.

Night two I checked Beentheredonethat and it returned green.

Holyflare caught me softing it and i seem to think it makes him town for me not being shot.

Vig + Cop + what I assume is a protective role since it's a newbie seem like too much for me.
So maybe there isn't a protective role. If that's the case, OK that claim is believable.
If there is one though, this is a fakeclaim.

Rels

France13467 Posts

January 24 2018 07:30 GMT

#836

On January 24 2018 09:06 Damerion wrote:
Holyflare caught me softing it and i seem to think it makes him town for me not being shot.

also this screams like "PREPARED"

justanothertownie

16324 Posts

January 24 2018 07:35 GMT

#837

Btw. if Damerion is real then mafia 100 % has a godfather. So unfortunately even then his checks actually do not actually mean much.

justanothertownie

16324 Posts

January 24 2018 07:35 GMT

#838

actually :D

Rels

France13467 Posts

January 24 2018 07:39 GMT

#839

On January 24 2018 16:21 justanothertownie wrote:
My job for this dayphase will be to read everything and doublecheck if a setup like this is actually conceivable considering past Kita Newbies. It would of course be nice.

Yep.

Newbie Student Mafia XXVI
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi
13 players, 10 town vs 3 scum. 2 blues: Doctor + Vigilante.

Newbie Student Mafia XXV
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517593-newbie-student-mafia-xxv
13 players, 10 town vs 3 scum. 2 blues: Doctor + Vigilante.

Newbie Student Mafia XVIII
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500060-newbie-student-mafia-xviii
12 players, 9 town vs 3 scum. 1 blue : Cop.

justanothertownie

16324 Posts

January 24 2018 07:40 GMT

#840

On January 24 2018 16:39 Rels wrote:

Show nested quote +

Yep?
All of these setups are less town favored than Cop + Vig alone.