On November 03 2017 05:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
It's interesting that he doesn't engage me anymore though
It's interesting that he doesn't engage me anymore though
Talking to you is about as useful as talking to a donkey.
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
On November 03 2017 05:47 Oatsmaster wrote: It's interesting that he doesn't engage me anymore though Talking to you is about as useful as talking to a donkey. | ||
ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
On November 03 2017 05:48 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On November 01 2017 23:19 ruXxar wrote: On November 01 2017 22:55 happykrogan wrote: On November 01 2017 22:37 Conversion wrote: On November 01 2017 22:36 Conversion wrote: the problemI have with the scumread of “DF is attacking anyone possible” is that he could have just saved himself the effort and pushed me exactly how he pushed me last game and most likely started a wagon. my play hasn’t differed too wildly (as pointed out by krogan), so why would he waste time throwing shade at other people when he has two very good lynch targets he can focus on (me/shockey) EBWOP The best explanation I can think of right now is that he doesn't want to follow thread sentiment because it could cause problems later in the game. All my spermicidal evidence gathered suggests that tunneling is a town trait rather than a scum trait. WTF LOL One of my finer moments. I'm surprised you were the first to notice. | ||
Vivax
21734 Posts
On November 03 2017 05:50 darthfoley wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2017 05:47 Oatsmaster wrote: It's interesting that he doesn't engage me anymore though Who? Also notice how Vixax has pivoted off of me when thread sentiment did so In fact I don't think you're scum atm. I also have a separate filter called thread sentiment obviously that I check regularly. | ||
darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
On November 03 2017 05:49 darthfoley wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2017 05:42 ruXxar wrote: On November 03 2017 05:40 Damerion wrote: Before I head out I will say a couple of things. Your correct in that it is hypocritical in the way I read people for fitting in with little effort. But juat because I also fit the profile does not mean that others also do not fit that criteria. Making snide comments does not change the fact that my assessment is correct even if I have to fit the criteria myself. Secondly I will not say that we should lynch Shockeyy today, he has been one if the more polarizing figures in d1, and it does feel at this point like scum are pretty ok with the lynch. I really enjoy ny thoughts that Zen+Ticktock+one is the current team I am working with. I believe we should lynch Ticktock with Damdred today, also its possibke RuxXar is the third with how he was ok with Ticktock but then switched when it was possible ticktock could be lynched. I'm still going to lynch tick tock. I just wanted to get vivax playing. Never understood the whole "I'm voting for this person and telling them I'm pressuring them, not because I think they're mafia strategy" Might as well play poker and show your hand to the whole table If it works it works. Don't hater the player, hate the game. | ||
darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
On November 03 2017 05:51 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2017 05:50 darthfoley wrote: On November 03 2017 05:47 Oatsmaster wrote: It's interesting that he doesn't engage me anymore though Who? Also notice how Vixax has pivoted off of me when thread sentiment did so In fact I don't think you're scum atm. I also have a separate filter called thread sentiment obviously that I check regularly. Thanks for letting me know! | ||
Vivax
21734 Posts
On November 03 2017 05:51 ruXxar wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2017 05:48 Vivax wrote: On November 01 2017 23:19 ruXxar wrote: On November 01 2017 22:55 happykrogan wrote: On November 01 2017 22:37 Conversion wrote: On November 01 2017 22:36 Conversion wrote: the problemI have with the scumread of “DF is attacking anyone possible” is that he could have just saved himself the effort and pushed me exactly how he pushed me last game and most likely started a wagon. my play hasn’t differed too wildly (as pointed out by krogan), so why would he waste time throwing shade at other people when he has two very good lynch targets he can focus on (me/shockey) EBWOP The best explanation I can think of right now is that he doesn't want to follow thread sentiment because it could cause problems later in the game. All my spermicidal evidence gathered suggests that tunneling is a town trait rather than a scum trait. On November 01 2017 23:19 ruXxar wrote: Empirical* WTF LOL One of my finer moments. I'm surprised you were the first to notice. Possibly everyone calling you scum didn't even read your filter then. I'm still in the process of. | ||
Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On November 03 2017 01:56 Damdred wrote: TT like not trying to interact with me when I am pushing for his lynch is interesting but interacted with others. I think we might be onto something here, all this other noise idk but people should folllow me onto tt Well did you say anything to me? No I think you kinda just sheeped the thread sentiment on me TBH. Come on Damdred you played with me last game and did this same shit, and where did that get you? You were Town that game, but maybe you just see me as an easy push here. | ||
happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
On November 03 2017 05:47 darthfoley wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2017 05:44 Tictock wrote: We had a late lynch rush at my morning job so I have shit for time today, basically just the next half hour and I need to eat lunch in that time as well. No time for filters, just gunna skim a bit. This caught my eye: On November 03 2017 01:32 ShoCkeyy wrote: On November 03 2017 01:19 Tictock wrote: On November 03 2017 00:20 ShoCkeyy wrote: I feel a bit odd about TT too, as some one who understands the amount of hours worked, I wouldn't come in posting my thoughts after each person's post in the thread, this caused him to change his view on the game all the time, something I feel like scum wouldn't even care about anyways. I would of gathered my thoughts first on the overall conversation, and then provide quick bullets on each of the topics i wanted to discuss; Zen's big post here. I felt like TT was just trying to string together posts after each response in the thread to make it look like he was active, while letting his scum buddies do the rest when he's not available. This is literally how I play every game. I like to respond to things as soon as I read them else I feel like I will have a harder time recalling things later on. And yes I always get called out for it as well. And how many of those times were you actually scum? I'm not voting for you yet cause that's not an indication that you can be scum, but it definitely leans towards it. I don't care much for why you're voting for me, but if you're thinking I'm scum over the others that are very likely to be scum, then you obviously see the game differently. First, in response. Hardly any, I think? I haven't been playing much mafia and I've only rolled Town in the past year. Probably an easy thing to check via the database. Second, it occurres to me that scum!Shokey has everything to gain by pushing me here when there is clearly several people scum reading me and he is in danger of being lynched ATM. ##Unvote Gunna put my vote on DF and try to catch up. Lmao okay dude. @Krogan, you seem to have come around to my way of thinking regarding ruxx. Does this mean you're town reading me? Ruxxar is definetely more scummy than you I want to lynch him today. I'll look into you again after the lynch but us having the same opinion does make it less likely I guess | ||
ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
On November 03 2017 05:51 darthfoley wrote: Actually though. Everyone went from "omg Darthfoley so scum, yea I agree!" To completely forgetting me. What gives @ruxx and others? Tick tock happened. The post where he brushed off the me/conversion/holyflare argument stung me deep. Don't worry though, you're in 2nd place. | ||
Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On November 03 2017 02:23 Holyflare wrote: I'm lynching vivax, you guys are welcome to vote for mafia or be on a different wagon. ##vote vivax Vivax might well be a solid vote, I almost forgot about him. | ||
happykrogan
Germany408 Posts
On November 03 2017 05:53 happykrogan wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2017 05:47 darthfoley wrote: On November 03 2017 05:44 Tictock wrote: We had a late lynch rush at my morning job so I have shit for time today, basically just the next half hour and I need to eat lunch in that time as well. No time for filters, just gunna skim a bit. This caught my eye: On November 03 2017 01:32 ShoCkeyy wrote: On November 03 2017 01:19 Tictock wrote: On November 03 2017 00:20 ShoCkeyy wrote: I feel a bit odd about TT too, as some one who understands the amount of hours worked, I wouldn't come in posting my thoughts after each person's post in the thread, this caused him to change his view on the game all the time, something I feel like scum wouldn't even care about anyways. I would of gathered my thoughts first on the overall conversation, and then provide quick bullets on each of the topics i wanted to discuss; Zen's big post here. I felt like TT was just trying to string together posts after each response in the thread to make it look like he was active, while letting his scum buddies do the rest when he's not available. This is literally how I play every game. I like to respond to things as soon as I read them else I feel like I will have a harder time recalling things later on. And yes I always get called out for it as well. And how many of those times were you actually scum? I'm not voting for you yet cause that's not an indication that you can be scum, but it definitely leans towards it. I don't care much for why you're voting for me, but if you're thinking I'm scum over the others that are very likely to be scum, then you obviously see the game differently. First, in response. Hardly any, I think? I haven't been playing much mafia and I've only rolled Town in the past year. Probably an easy thing to check via the database. Second, it occurres to me that scum!Shokey has everything to gain by pushing me here when there is clearly several people scum reading me and he is in danger of being lynched ATM. ##Unvote Gunna put my vote on DF and try to catch up. Lmao okay dude. @Krogan, you seem to have come around to my way of thinking regarding ruxx. Does this mean you're town reading me? Ruxxar is definetely more scummy than you I want to lynch him today. I'll look into you again after the lynch but us having the same opinion does make it less likely I guess If ruxxar dies and flips scum I will townread you | ||
Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On November 03 2017 03:44 Damerion wrote: Hello, I just woke up from my shift. As such I obviously have a lot of catching uo to do. I have been trying to keep up with the thread right now and I am in the neighborhood of scum being in these five people. Shockey/RuxXar/Ticktock/Zen The fifth person I do not want to say quite yet as I do not want the gane to develop into a war if I am wrong. But I feel like at least two mafia are in this group listed. And as I filter dive I will place my vote on Shockey as a place holder. Ugh besides mentioning Zen this is literally just Thread sentiment ATM minus DF. Pretty unimpressed. I gotta eat and get moving, I'll try and fishing reading on the way, but I'm ok with my vote on DF. | ||
Vivax
21734 Posts
On November 01 2017 09:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: Look at that, I got two almost three pages worth of info out of my one little measly post. Still haven't seen these people post either: 4. The_Zen_Man 5. Oatsmaster 10. Breshke 12. Vivax 13. Tictock So we'd still have to wait till they show up. What info did Shockey get? What's the point of listing all nonposters besides trying to look helpful. On November 01 2017 12:00 ShoCkeyy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 01 2017 11:43 Conversion wrote: On November 01 2017 11:39 ShoCkeyy wrote: I mean the game just started, there is nothing to really post about other than Conversion getting triggered about being "grilled"... I also posted the list because I mentioned it's too early to even try to vote because these "list" haven't posted yet. I haven't really played with any of you other than Holy, Damred, Vivax, and what may be Oatsmaster (but I don't recall). So I'm still just poking around and seeing what comes out of what. I don't mind taking the fall for now until some one slips, cause it's what I usually do. So far those who are "suspicious" of me, one of them have a good chance at being scum So what are your thoughts on me getting triggered? I especially liked DF's posts on Ruxx and his response to being questioned. What's your thoughts on that? Meh... too me it's fluff. Show nested quote + On November 01 2017 11:10 darthfoley wrote: On November 01 2017 08:49 ruXxar wrote: On November 01 2017 08:34 Damerion wrote: On November 01 2017 08:28 ruXxar wrote: On November 01 2017 08:17 Damerion wrote: On November 01 2017 08:04 ruXxar wrote: On November 01 2017 08:02 Damerion wrote: ##vote ShoCkeyy[/b I ask and expect you all to follow me on this. @Damdred especially you. Slow down hotshot. When did you go from being mr waffly scum reader to becoming sherlock holmes? Did the cohost of my first game forget the resounding hammer I put on the whole scum team? You have good reads, I'll give you that. You just gotta work on being more convincing. No I need name recognition, if I had a larger name associated with me I would be followed much easier. And if memory serves I did find scum last game a couple of times, just was to afk to oersue those links at the time. In any case HolyFlare is also coming across disengenous at this point. Name recognition help for sure, but it’s also about how you present yourself and your arguments. Perfect example is Lonelyclock last game. A newbie, but very solid town-read with a lot of credibility. Someone presenting themselves like that pushes a lot of weight around. Don’t get me wrong, I like your more confident approach, but it’s throwing me off because it’s so different from previous games, and it’s also a bit too much over the top and appears a bit forced. I dislike ruxxar's early game filter. Super fluff with no substance. Yea, sure, lots of people are posting fluff kinda. But ruxxar's gives me the vibes of feigning activity to seem interested. It's pretty easy to do early game especially, when people are dicking about. Besides that, I have no idea why he feels the need to dictate how Damerion votes, the aggressiveness of his vote, and the subsequent commentary Let me break down the bolded sentence for you 1) "Don't get me wrong" = apologetic, not trying to tread on anyone's toes, like scumversion last game 2) "I like your more confident approach" implies a town lean of some sort, with buddy potential 3) So he likes the confident approach, BUT it's throwing him off because it's so different from last game. So you like it... but it's throwing you off? 4) It's also "a bit too much over the top and feels forced" implying it's scummy. So to conclude, Ruxxar likes Damerion's aggressive and confident play even though it's throwing him off but it's over the top and feels forced. So why do you like the approach if you are going to call it scummy one line later? This is a whole lot of nothing burger I can kinda understand ruxxar questioning Damerion's reason to vote so early, and it's not that he's dictating, he's just saying to take it slow. I think this post clearly explains Ruxxar's thinking. Show nested quote + [B]On November 01 2017 09:20 ruXxar wrote: On November 01 2017 09:08 Conversion wrote: On November 01 2017 09:05 ruXxar wrote: On November 01 2017 08:59 Conversion wrote: On November 01 2017 08:57 ruXxar wrote: On November 01 2017 08:53 Conversion wrote: On November 01 2017 08:34 Damerion wrote: On November 01 2017 08:28 ruXxar wrote: On November 01 2017 08:17 Damerion wrote: [quote] Did the cohost of my first game forget the resounding hammer I put on the whole scum team? You have good reads, I'll give you that. You just gotta work on being more convincing. No I need name recognition, if I had a larger name associated with me I would be followed much easier. And if memory serves I did find scum last game a couple of times, just was to afk to oersue those links at the time. In any case HolyFlare is also coming across disengenous at this point. nah actually I'm willing to blind follow you 100% after the last 2 games you're not as good this game though so that's weird.also I never trust HF because he is a "big name" so that's a bad point What’s that supposed to mean??? oi don't red text me m8 he just seems weird throwing out all these soft reads. his usual play has been slam down hard with a big read that calls out 2/3 or 3/3 scum, but idk. maybe he's trying to be more active b/c he died last game because of it, but I don't like it You’re saying he’s not as good when no one has flipped yet. It doesn’t make sense in the context you’re trying to appropriate to him. You’re trying to measure his “good play” based on his posts rather than the result of his reads. If his previous games reads had all been wrong, then you wouldn’t be calling his big read posts good. Like.. I don’t see where you’re coming from. it's what HF said before, why change up your playstyle when nothing was wrong with it to begin with? the only reason I can think of is he wants to avoid being lynched b/c of activity again, so he tries to throw out soft reads by looking active. I don't like that if his big read posts in the previous games were off, then I can see why he's trying to change his playstyle I don't think I'm being unclear, and have no idea why you're nitpicking at the point, so make that two of us that don't understand each other Also, how is his read soft? He straight up called shockey mafia, voted for him and asked people to follow him. [b] I know I post like shit, but I do it for a reason, it's easy to be able to see who jumps on the "vote shockeyy" bandwagon, and of course one of the mafia members is easily going to jump on it, if not two cause my posting is so "shitty". Damerian is trying to use his credibility from his past two games to try and have a following into voting some one off easily. It's kinda scummy in my opinion. He even admits looking scummy and justifies it with doing it on purpose. Also no explanation whatsoever why Damerion shouldn't have done what he did as town. If I was right on 3/3 mafias last game, obviously I'm going to expect people to follow my opinion. Shockey tries to turn it into something scummy. Should I even go on? This guy screams mafia all over. | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On November 03 2017 05:50 darthfoley wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2017 05:47 Oatsmaster wrote: It's interesting that he doesn't engage me anymore though Who? Also notice how Vixax has pivoted off of me when thread sentiment did so Rux. Again mehhh | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On November 03 2017 05:52 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2017 05:51 ruXxar wrote: On November 03 2017 05:48 Vivax wrote: On November 01 2017 23:19 ruXxar wrote: On November 01 2017 22:55 happykrogan wrote: On November 01 2017 22:37 Conversion wrote: On November 01 2017 22:36 Conversion wrote: the problemI have with the scumread of “DF is attacking anyone possible” is that he could have just saved himself the effort and pushed me exactly how he pushed me last game and most likely started a wagon. my play hasn’t differed too wildly (as pointed out by krogan), so why would he waste time throwing shade at other people when he has two very good lynch targets he can focus on (me/shockey) EBWOP The best explanation I can think of right now is that he doesn't want to follow thread sentiment because it could cause problems later in the game. All my spermicidal evidence gathered suggests that tunneling is a town trait rather than a scum trait. On November 01 2017 23:19 ruXxar wrote: Empirical* WTF LOL One of my finer moments. I'm surprised you were the first to notice. Possibly everyone calling you scum didn't even read your filter then. I'm still in the process of. Possibly the multiple lies and getting caught making up stuff distracted me | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On November 03 2017 06:00 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On November 01 2017 09:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: Look at that, I got two almost three pages worth of info out of my one little measly post. Still haven't seen these people post either: 4. The_Zen_Man 5. Oatsmaster 10. Breshke 12. Vivax 13. Tictock So we'd still have to wait till they show up. What info did Shockey get? What's the point of listing all nonposters besides trying to look helpful. Show nested quote + On November 01 2017 12:00 ShoCkeyy wrote: On November 01 2017 11:43 Conversion wrote: On November 01 2017 11:39 ShoCkeyy wrote: I mean the game just started, there is nothing to really post about other than Conversion getting triggered about being "grilled"... I also posted the list because I mentioned it's too early to even try to vote because these "list" haven't posted yet. I haven't really played with any of you other than Holy, Damred, Vivax, and what may be Oatsmaster (but I don't recall). So I'm still just poking around and seeing what comes out of what. I don't mind taking the fall for now until some one slips, cause it's what I usually do. So far those who are "suspicious" of me, one of them have a good chance at being scum So what are your thoughts on me getting triggered? I especially liked DF's posts on Ruxx and his response to being questioned. What's your thoughts on that? Meh... too me it's fluff. On November 01 2017 11:10 darthfoley wrote: On November 01 2017 08:49 ruXxar wrote: On November 01 2017 08:34 Damerion wrote: On November 01 2017 08:28 ruXxar wrote: On November 01 2017 08:17 Damerion wrote: On November 01 2017 08:04 ruXxar wrote: On November 01 2017 08:02 Damerion wrote: ##vote ShoCkeyy[/b I ask and expect you all to follow me on this. @Damdred especially you. Slow down hotshot. When did you go from being mr waffly scum reader to becoming sherlock holmes? Did the cohost of my first game forget the resounding hammer I put on the whole scum team? You have good reads, I'll give you that. You just gotta work on being more convincing. No I need name recognition, if I had a larger name associated with me I would be followed much easier. And if memory serves I did find scum last game a couple of times, just was to afk to oersue those links at the time. In any case HolyFlare is also coming across disengenous at this point. Name recognition help for sure, but it’s also about how you present yourself and your arguments. Perfect example is Lonelyclock last game. A newbie, but very solid town-read with a lot of credibility. Someone presenting themselves like that pushes a lot of weight around. Don’t get me wrong, I like your more confident approach, but it’s throwing me off because it’s so different from previous games, and it’s also a bit too much over the top and appears a bit forced. I dislike ruxxar's early game filter. Super fluff with no substance. Yea, sure, lots of people are posting fluff kinda. But ruxxar's gives me the vibes of feigning activity to seem interested. It's pretty easy to do early game especially, when people are dicking about. Besides that, I have no idea why he feels the need to dictate how Damerion votes, the aggressiveness of his vote, and the subsequent commentary Let me break down the bolded sentence for you 1) "Don't get me wrong" = apologetic, not trying to tread on anyone's toes, like scumversion last game 2) "I like your more confident approach" implies a town lean of some sort, with buddy potential 3) So he likes the confident approach, BUT it's throwing him off because it's so different from last game. So you like it... but it's throwing you off? 4) It's also "a bit too much over the top and feels forced" implying it's scummy. So to conclude, Ruxxar likes Damerion's aggressive and confident play even though it's throwing him off but it's over the top and feels forced. So why do you like the approach if you are going to call it scummy one line later? This is a whole lot of nothing burger I can kinda understand ruxxar questioning Damerion's reason to vote so early, and it's not that he's dictating, he's just saying to take it slow. I think this post clearly explains Ruxxar's thinking. [B]On November 01 2017 09:20 ruXxar wrote: On November 01 2017 09:08 Conversion wrote: On November 01 2017 09:05 ruXxar wrote: On November 01 2017 08:59 Conversion wrote: On November 01 2017 08:57 ruXxar wrote: On November 01 2017 08:53 Conversion wrote: On November 01 2017 08:34 Damerion wrote: On November 01 2017 08:28 ruXxar wrote: [quote] You have good reads, I'll give you that. You just gotta work on being more convincing. No I need name recognition, if I had a larger name associated with me I would be followed much easier. And if memory serves I did find scum last game a couple of times, just was to afk to oersue those links at the time. In any case HolyFlare is also coming across disengenous at this point. nah actually I'm willing to blind follow you 100% after the last 2 games you're not as good this game though so that's weird.also I never trust HF because he is a "big name" so that's a bad point What’s that supposed to mean??? oi don't red text me m8 he just seems weird throwing out all these soft reads. his usual play has been slam down hard with a big read that calls out 2/3 or 3/3 scum, but idk. maybe he's trying to be more active b/c he died last game because of it, but I don't like it You’re saying he’s not as good when no one has flipped yet. It doesn’t make sense in the context you’re trying to appropriate to him. You’re trying to measure his “good play” based on his posts rather than the result of his reads. If his previous games reads had all been wrong, then you wouldn’t be calling his big read posts good. Like.. I don’t see where you’re coming from. it's what HF said before, why change up your playstyle when nothing was wrong with it to begin with? the only reason I can think of is he wants to avoid being lynched b/c of activity again, so he tries to throw out soft reads by looking active. I don't like that if his big read posts in the previous games were off, then I can see why he's trying to change his playstyle I don't think I'm being unclear, and have no idea why you're nitpicking at the point, so make that two of us that don't understand each other Also, how is his read soft? He straight up called shockey mafia, voted for him and asked people to follow him. [b] I know I post like shit, but I do it for a reason, it's easy to be able to see who jumps on the "vote shockeyy" bandwagon, and of course one of the mafia members is easily going to jump on it, if not two cause my posting is so "shitty". Damerian is trying to use his credibility from his past two games to try and have a following into voting some one off easily. It's kinda scummy in my opinion. He even admits looking scummy and justifies it with doing it on purpose. Also no explanation whatsoever why Damerion shouldn't have done what he did as town. If I was right on 3/3 mafias last game, obviously I'm going to expect people to follow my opinion. Shockey tries to turn it into something scummy. Should I even go on? This guy screams mafia all over. You aren't going to convince me that he's scummier than rux who literally lied today. | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On November 03 2017 05:52 ruXxar wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2017 05:49 darthfoley wrote: On November 03 2017 05:42 ruXxar wrote: On November 03 2017 05:40 Damerion wrote: Before I head out I will say a couple of things. Your correct in that it is hypocritical in the way I read people for fitting in with little effort. But juat because I also fit the profile does not mean that others also do not fit that criteria. Making snide comments does not change the fact that my assessment is correct even if I have to fit the criteria myself. Secondly I will not say that we should lynch Shockeyy today, he has been one if the more polarizing figures in d1, and it does feel at this point like scum are pretty ok with the lynch. I really enjoy ny thoughts that Zen+Ticktock+one is the current team I am working with. I believe we should lynch Ticktock with Damdred today, also its possibke RuxXar is the third with how he was ok with Ticktock but then switched when it was possible ticktock could be lynched. I'm still going to lynch tick tock. I just wanted to get vivax playing. Never understood the whole "I'm voting for this person and telling them I'm pressuring them, not because I think they're mafia strategy" Might as well play poker and show your hand to the whole table If it works it works. Don't hater the player, hate the game. But it doesn't???!? | ||
Vivax
21734 Posts
If you take the pants off your head, you will realize he isn't actually finding reasons for people to be mafia, he's just finding reasons to blame people for something. | ||
Holyflare
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