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On November 03 2017 05:11 darthfoley wrote:You might be right about this, but I think ruxxar is the safer bet. @Oats all of Vivax's filter is super bland and opportunistic. His two scum reads were me, who at the time had a lot of pressure, and Shockey, who's uber lynch bait and also had thread sentiment against him. He never provided any town reads, and his reasons for scum reading us were either non-existent or just regurgitating other people's ideas. Sure it's 3 posts, but they're bad posts.
Meh, I thought shoockey was mafia on my first read through. Also thought you were mafia.
Soooo I kinda don't think he's scum.
Townreada are overrated
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Ruxxar's 180 on TT is really odd. I need to reread the last 5 pages or so.
I'm also confused as to why everyone who was hardcore scum reading me 12 hours ago has backed off me and seemingly forgotten about their "cases" on me. It's almost as if it was a phantom wagon based off of mafia piling. Didn't see that one coming
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Deadline in 1h 45 min right?
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On November 03 2017 05:13 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 05:11 darthfoley wrote:On November 03 2017 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax mafia though You might be right about this, but I think ruxxar is the safer bet. @Oats all of Vivax's filter is super bland and opportunistic. His two scum reads were me, who at the time had a lot of pressure, and Shockey, who's uber lynch bait and also had thread sentiment against him. He never provided any town reads, and his reasons for scum reading us were either non-existent or just regurgitating other people's ideas. Sure it's 3 posts, but they're bad posts. Meh, I thought shoockey was mafia on my first read through. Also thought you were mafia. Soooo I kinda don't think he's scum. Townreada are overrated
Yea I've never subscribed to the whole "i'm gonna find town and then PoE" strategy. Idk, Vivax being the fifth person to put me at #1 scum just doesn't sit right.
Also his activity compared to the other mafia game going on according to HF. Might be a lame reason to read someone scum, but oh well
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On November 03 2017 05:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Deadline in 1h 45 min right?
correct
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So it's like 3-3-2 with Shockey-Ruxxar-Me? TT having only one vote after 3-4 people have been shitting on him is mighty mighty interesting.
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On November 03 2017 05:15 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 05:13 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 03 2017 05:11 darthfoley wrote:On November 03 2017 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax mafia though You might be right about this, but I think ruxxar is the safer bet. @Oats all of Vivax's filter is super bland and opportunistic. His two scum reads were me, who at the time had a lot of pressure, and Shockey, who's uber lynch bait and also had thread sentiment against him. He never provided any town reads, and his reasons for scum reading us were either non-existent or just regurgitating other people's ideas. Sure it's 3 posts, but they're bad posts. Meh, I thought shoockey was mafia on my first read through. Also thought you were mafia. Soooo I kinda don't think he's scum. Townreada are overrated Yea I've never subscribed to the whole "i'm gonna find town and then PoE" strategy. Idk, Vivax being the fifth person to put me at #1 scum just doesn't sit right. Also his activity compared to the other mafia game going on according to HF. Might be a lame reason to read someone scum, but oh well
He has no activity in that game too lol
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On November 03 2017 05:17 darthfoley wrote:
So it's like 3-3-2 with Shockey-Ruxxar-Me? TT having only one vote after 3-4 people have been shitting on him is mighty mighty interesting.
I mean, rux voted Vivax randomly, and it's me and you shitting on TICKTOC soooo eyeah
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On November 03 2017 04:14 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 03:59 happykrogan wrote:On November 03 2017 03:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 03 2017 03:18 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 02:56 happykrogan wrote:I don't like ruxxar. Him disliking damer, scumreading df and scumreading TT all seems pretty opportunistic. Also he makes strange posts about conv I don'T think town would make On November 01 2017 23:57 ruXxar wrote:On November 01 2017 23:51 Damdred wrote:
If there is someone I dont like, df put together a string of posts that I just didnt feel good about at points.
I do think that the auicidal nature that conversion is approaching every conversation right now hes probably just going to be town.
Like rayn and I had this talk maybe a year ago? there is this point where you just basically tell town to go fuck thwmselves and it comes off as town.
and conversion is coming off that way to me.
But I got way off track with that post meh I agree about DF. About conversion... the jury is still out. He was never this edgy as town. This game and the last is not how I remember town conversion playing. On November 02 2017 03:53 ruXxar wrote:On November 02 2017 03:49 darthfoley wrote:On November 01 2017 23:57 ruXxar wrote:On November 01 2017 23:51 Damdred wrote:
If there is someone I dont like, df put together a string of posts that I just didnt feel good about at points.
I do think that the auicidal nature that conversion is approaching every conversation right now hes probably just going to be town.
Like rayn and I had this talk maybe a year ago? there is this point where you just basically tell town to go fuck thwmselves and it comes off as town.
and conversion is coming off that way to me.
But I got way off track with that post meh I agree about DF. About conversion... the jury is still out. He was never this edgy as town. This game and the last is not how I remember town conversion playing. Conversion wasn't edgy at all last game. He was wishy washy and non-committal as hell which is how I caught him. His play from last game and this game are much different. Different, yet not similar to how I remember town conversion playing. Doesn't matter either way, I don't think the guy is mafia. In the first post it seems like he is scumreading him. I don't see town making a post like this if he actually think he is town. On November 03 2017 01:14 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 01:08 Conversion wrote:
can we get off this case y'all are wasting thread space
HF votes Damerion b/c he's randomly zealous and pushing people immediately or something like that
Ruxx basically says the same thing ("I like the confidence, it's forced, not sure if one time thing, etc.")
I said his play isn't as good and I get shat on by two people who basically shared the sentiment, but the wording was bad
1) You deliberately used a quote that was from the last game, making it seem like it was something HF said this game. That's not bad wording, that's intentional deceit. 2) The quote you used was wrong, because it was NOT a good scum indicator for damerion, yet you used it anyway pushing your argument as if it had a leg to stand on with HFs name flying high in there. I don't think it was intentional deceit. It wasn't very good to do that by conversion but he explained that he thought it was clear enough that it was last game. Also you don't call anyone deceiving who you don't think is scum. Why should town do something like that? What is opportunistic about my reads? You literally switched 180 when ticktock started getting additional pressure. If that's not opportunistic, what is? HF, vivax is a coinflip, we don't lynch coinfljps day 1 This. Also you scumread/disliked df and damer shortly after scumreads on them appeared. I've posted my own reads on these people. If you disagree with the points i've made then break down what you think is scummy about my reads.
It is scummy that you made them directly after they were being called out by others.
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On November 03 2017 05:18 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 05:17 darthfoley wrote:
So it's like 3-3-2 with Shockey-Ruxxar-Me? TT having only one vote after 3-4 people have been shitting on him is mighty mighty interesting. I mean, rux voted Vivax randomly, and it's me and you shitting on TICKTOC soooo eyeah
I thought Ruxx, Damdred, and 1-2 others were talking about how TT is bad? HF too, no?
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I have to finish some paperwork but will be back for deadline.
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On November 03 2017 05:22 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 05:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 03 2017 05:17 darthfoley wrote:
So it's like 3-3-2 with Shockey-Ruxxar-Me? TT having only one vote after 3-4 people have been shitting on him is mighty mighty interesting. I mean, rux voted Vivax randomly, and it's me and you shitting on TICKTOC soooo eyeah I thought Ruxx, Damdred, and 1-2 others were talking about how TT is bad? HF too, no?
Yeah possibly, can't really say anything about them not voting for TT when I don't want to lynch him today either lol.
Don't really think it's that important.
I much rather lunch rux today
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On November 03 2017 04:34 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 04:30 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 03:44 Damerion wrote:
Hello,
I just woke up from my shift. As such I obviously have a lot of catching uo to do.
I have been trying to keep up with the thread right now and I am in the neighborhood of scum being in these five people.
Shockey/RuxXar/Ticktock/Zen
The fifth person I do not want to say quite yet as I do not want the gane to develop into a war if I am wrong.
But I feel like at least two mafia are in this group listed.
And as I filter dive I will place my vote on Shockey as a place holder. Can I hear your opinion on ticktock and zen? In the moat concise way possible, Very little interaction between either of them. Zen made a rather large post that has enabled him to hide in the aether. Both are very sideline characters not involved in the lynch, and really there posts are mostly surface level things that come from skimming the thread. Overall I would say tt is a 6/10 read and zen is slightly stronger at 7/10. Shockeyy filter is mafia oriented still I believe.
So why is zen scummy for doing that when you literally made 1 post on shockeyy and afkd? What makes him mafia and not just afk? 7/10 is so strong.
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On November 03 2017 05:27 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 04:34 Damerion wrote:On November 03 2017 04:30 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 03:44 Damerion wrote:
Hello,
I just woke up from my shift. As such I obviously have a lot of catching uo to do.
I have been trying to keep up with the thread right now and I am in the neighborhood of scum being in these five people.
Shockey/RuxXar/Ticktock/Zen
The fifth person I do not want to say quite yet as I do not want the gane to develop into a war if I am wrong.
But I feel like at least two mafia are in this group listed.
And as I filter dive I will place my vote on Shockey as a place holder. Can I hear your opinion on ticktock and zen? In the moat concise way possible, Very little interaction between either of them. Zen made a rather large post that has enabled him to hide in the aether. Both are very sideline characters not involved in the lynch, and really there posts are mostly surface level things that come from skimming the thread. Overall I would say tt is a 6/10 read and zen is slightly stronger at 7/10. Shockeyy filter is mafia oriented still I believe. So why is zen scummy for doing that when you literally made 1 post on shockeyy and afkd? What makes him mafia and not just afk? 7/10 is so strong.
Its different when other people do it!
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On November 03 2017 05:27 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 04:34 Damerion wrote:On November 03 2017 04:30 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 03:44 Damerion wrote:
Hello,
I just woke up from my shift. As such I obviously have a lot of catching uo to do.
I have been trying to keep up with the thread right now and I am in the neighborhood of scum being in these five people.
Shockey/RuxXar/Ticktock/Zen
The fifth person I do not want to say quite yet as I do not want the gane to develop into a war if I am wrong.
But I feel like at least two mafia are in this group listed.
And as I filter dive I will place my vote on Shockey as a place holder. Can I hear your opinion on ticktock and zen? In the moat concise way possible, Very little interaction between either of them. Zen made a rather large post that has enabled him to hide in the aether. Both are very sideline characters not involved in the lynch, and really there posts are mostly surface level things that come from skimming the thread. Overall I would say tt is a 6/10 read and zen is slightly stronger at 7/10. Shockeyy filter is mafia oriented still I believe. So why is zen scummy for doing that when you literally made 1 post on shockeyy and afkd? What makes him mafia and not just afk? 7/10 is so strong.
Lynch rux?
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On November 03 2017 05:19 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 04:14 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 03:59 happykrogan wrote:On November 03 2017 03:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 03 2017 03:18 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 02:56 happykrogan wrote:I don't like ruxxar. Him disliking damer, scumreading df and scumreading TT all seems pretty opportunistic. Also he makes strange posts about conv I don'T think town would make On November 01 2017 23:57 ruXxar wrote:On November 01 2017 23:51 Damdred wrote:
If there is someone I dont like, df put together a string of posts that I just didnt feel good about at points.
I do think that the auicidal nature that conversion is approaching every conversation right now hes probably just going to be town.
Like rayn and I had this talk maybe a year ago? there is this point where you just basically tell town to go fuck thwmselves and it comes off as town.
and conversion is coming off that way to me.
But I got way off track with that post meh I agree about DF. About conversion... the jury is still out. He was never this edgy as town. This game and the last is not how I remember town conversion playing. On November 02 2017 03:53 ruXxar wrote:On November 02 2017 03:49 darthfoley wrote:On November 01 2017 23:57 ruXxar wrote:On November 01 2017 23:51 Damdred wrote:
If there is someone I dont like, df put together a string of posts that I just didnt feel good about at points.
I do think that the auicidal nature that conversion is approaching every conversation right now hes probably just going to be town.
Like rayn and I had this talk maybe a year ago? there is this point where you just basically tell town to go fuck thwmselves and it comes off as town.
and conversion is coming off that way to me.
But I got way off track with that post meh I agree about DF. About conversion... the jury is still out. He was never this edgy as town. This game and the last is not how I remember town conversion playing. Conversion wasn't edgy at all last game. He was wishy washy and non-committal as hell which is how I caught him. His play from last game and this game are much different. Different, yet not similar to how I remember town conversion playing. Doesn't matter either way, I don't think the guy is mafia. In the first post it seems like he is scumreading him. I don't see town making a post like this if he actually think he is town. On November 03 2017 01:14 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 01:08 Conversion wrote:
can we get off this case y'all are wasting thread space
HF votes Damerion b/c he's randomly zealous and pushing people immediately or something like that
Ruxx basically says the same thing ("I like the confidence, it's forced, not sure if one time thing, etc.")
I said his play isn't as good and I get shat on by two people who basically shared the sentiment, but the wording was bad
1) You deliberately used a quote that was from the last game, making it seem like it was something HF said this game. That's not bad wording, that's intentional deceit. 2) The quote you used was wrong, because it was NOT a good scum indicator for damerion, yet you used it anyway pushing your argument as if it had a leg to stand on with HFs name flying high in there. I don't think it was intentional deceit. It wasn't very good to do that by conversion but he explained that he thought it was clear enough that it was last game. Also you don't call anyone deceiving who you don't think is scum. Why should town do something like that? What is opportunistic about my reads? You literally switched 180 when ticktock started getting additional pressure. If that's not opportunistic, what is? HF, vivax is a coinflip, we don't lynch coinfljps day 1 This. Also you scumread/disliked df and damer shortly after scumreads on them appeared. I've posted my own reads on these people. If you disagree with the points i've made then break down what you think is scummy about my reads. It is scummy that you made them directly after they were being called out by others.
You're reads weren't really new. You maybe tried to find some other things you can write on them so people see that you make your own posts and you can defend yourself with this argument.
On November 02 2017 05:56 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2017 04:48 darthfoley wrote:
Yea I wanna hear who ruxx thinks is scum. And other people if possible Sure. Right now you are my top scum read.
1) You're being wishy washy trying to coast by. Casting shade and town reads around you pretty lightly.
You're keeping every option open, snaking your way around from read to read.
2) This post is incredibly nitpicky and trying to infuse meaning where there is none. One of the worst posts in the game.
It's very over explainy and trying to siphon meaning out of very word instead of trying to understand the overall message of the post.
Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 11:10 darthfoley wrote:
I dislike ruxxar's early game filter. Super fluff with no substance. Yea, sure, lots of people are posting fluff kinda. But ruxxar's gives me the vibes of feigning activity to seem interested. It's pretty easy to do early game especially, when people are dicking about.
Besides that, I have no idea why he feels the need to dictate how Damerion votes, the aggressiveness of his vote, and the subsequent commentary
Let me break down the bolded sentence for you
1) "Don't get me wrong" = apologetic, not trying to tread on anyone's toes, like scumversion last game
2) "I like your more confident approach" implies a town lean of some sort, with buddy potential
3) So he likes the confident approach, BUT it's throwing him off because it's so different from last game. So you like it... but it's throwing you off?
4) It's also "a bit too much over the top and feels forced" implying it's scummy.
So to conclude, Ruxxar likes Damerion's aggressive and confident play even though it's throwing him off but it's over the top and feels forced. So why do you like the approach if you are going to call it scummy one line later? This is a whole lot of nothing burger
Besides you there's a few people on my to watch list: Oats - for the same reason of also blowing things up and putting emphasis on worthless fact as if they were gold and had some divine scum meaning. Damerion - I detected a change in meta behavior, need more posts to evaluate. Shockey - I know I'm biased due to meta. The threshold for where that meta no longer holds is very thin. But still resides as town. Also the bickering with conversion tips in his favor. HF - His damerion vote with no explanation was a red flag, but his later followup was ok. He's awfully quiet this game, but he has an excuse. Otherwise keeping an eye on him as his meta is different from last game. A bit more laid back. Not sure how to interpret it, will need to wait until he makes a real push.
This are the only "new" points I found (I already said why I think your reasons to be on TT are weak). And I think they are very easy to fake so that you can bring your defense now.
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I'm here now, will read the other 90 % of the game. Highly doubt I will do much besides repeating that we should lynch shockey.
I've checked a bit of his meta already and am not much the wiser as a lot of those are old or themed games. But since DF called him lynch bait as of late, in the one game where he actually got lynched D1, his filter looked much better than here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/184673-mini-mafia-iv?user=ShoCkeyy#
Also, Damerion wants to lynch him, Damerion has awesome reads and until you think he's mafia you should sheep him.
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On November 03 2017 05:29 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 05:19 happykrogan wrote:On November 03 2017 04:14 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 03:59 happykrogan wrote:On November 03 2017 03:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 03 2017 03:18 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 02:56 happykrogan wrote:I don't like ruxxar. Him disliking damer, scumreading df and scumreading TT all seems pretty opportunistic. Also he makes strange posts about conv I don'T think town would make On November 01 2017 23:57 ruXxar wrote:On November 01 2017 23:51 Damdred wrote:
If there is someone I dont like, df put together a string of posts that I just didnt feel good about at points.
I do think that the auicidal nature that conversion is approaching every conversation right now hes probably just going to be town.
Like rayn and I had this talk maybe a year ago? there is this point where you just basically tell town to go fuck thwmselves and it comes off as town.
and conversion is coming off that way to me.
But I got way off track with that post meh I agree about DF. About conversion... the jury is still out. He was never this edgy as town. This game and the last is not how I remember town conversion playing. On November 02 2017 03:53 ruXxar wrote:On November 02 2017 03:49 darthfoley wrote:On November 01 2017 23:57 ruXxar wrote:
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I agree about DF.
About conversion... the jury is still out.
He was never this edgy as town. This game and the last is not how I remember town conversion playing. Conversion wasn't edgy at all last game. He was wishy washy and non-committal as hell which is how I caught him. His play from last game and this game are much different. Different, yet not similar to how I remember town conversion playing. Doesn't matter either way, I don't think the guy is mafia. In the first post it seems like he is scumreading him. I don't see town making a post like this if he actually think he is town. On November 03 2017 01:14 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 01:08 Conversion wrote:
can we get off this case y'all are wasting thread space
HF votes Damerion b/c he's randomly zealous and pushing people immediately or something like that
Ruxx basically says the same thing ("I like the confidence, it's forced, not sure if one time thing, etc.")
I said his play isn't as good and I get shat on by two people who basically shared the sentiment, but the wording was bad
1) You deliberately used a quote that was from the last game, making it seem like it was something HF said this game. That's not bad wording, that's intentional deceit. 2) The quote you used was wrong, because it was NOT a good scum indicator for damerion, yet you used it anyway pushing your argument as if it had a leg to stand on with HFs name flying high in there. I don't think it was intentional deceit. It wasn't very good to do that by conversion but he explained that he thought it was clear enough that it was last game. Also you don't call anyone deceiving who you don't think is scum. Why should town do something like that? What is opportunistic about my reads? You literally switched 180 when ticktock started getting additional pressure. If that's not opportunistic, what is? HF, vivax is a coinflip, we don't lynch coinfljps day 1 This. Also you scumread/disliked df and damer shortly after scumreads on them appeared. I've posted my own reads on these people. If you disagree with the points i've made then break down what you think is scummy about my reads. It is scummy that you made them directly after they were being called out by others. You're reads weren't really new. You maybe tried to find some other things you can write on them so people see that you make your own posts and you can defend yourself with this argument. Show nested quote +On November 02 2017 05:56 ruXxar wrote:On November 02 2017 04:48 darthfoley wrote:
Yea I wanna hear who ruxx thinks is scum. And other people if possible Sure. Right now you are my top scum read.
1) You're being wishy washy trying to coast by. Casting shade and town reads around you pretty lightly.
You're keeping every option open, snaking your way around from read to read.
2) This post is incredibly nitpicky and trying to infuse meaning where there is none. One of the worst posts in the game.
It's very over explainy and trying to siphon meaning out of very word instead of trying to understand the overall message of the post.
On November 01 2017 11:10 darthfoley wrote:
I dislike ruxxar's early game filter. Super fluff with no substance. Yea, sure, lots of people are posting fluff kinda. But ruxxar's gives me the vibes of feigning activity to seem interested. It's pretty easy to do early game especially, when people are dicking about.
Besides that, I have no idea why he feels the need to dictate how Damerion votes, the aggressiveness of his vote, and the subsequent commentary
Let me break down the bolded sentence for you
1) "Don't get me wrong" = apologetic, not trying to tread on anyone's toes, like scumversion last game
2) "I like your more confident approach" implies a town lean of some sort, with buddy potential
3) So he likes the confident approach, BUT it's throwing him off because it's so different from last game. So you like it... but it's throwing you off?
4) It's also "a bit too much over the top and feels forced" implying it's scummy.
So to conclude, Ruxxar likes Damerion's aggressive and confident play even though it's throwing him off but it's over the top and feels forced. So why do you like the approach if you are going to call it scummy one line later? This is a whole lot of nothing burger
Besides you there's a few people on my to watch list: Oats - for the same reason of also blowing things up and putting emphasis on worthless fact as if they were gold and had some divine scum meaning. Damerion - I detected a change in meta behavior, need more posts to evaluate. Shockey - I know I'm biased due to meta. The threshold for where that meta no longer holds is very thin. But still resides as town. Also the bickering with conversion tips in his favor. HF - His damerion vote with no explanation was a red flag, but his later followup was ok. He's awfully quiet this game, but he has an excuse. Otherwise keeping an eye on him as his meta is different from last game. A bit more laid back. Not sure how to interpret it, will need to wait until he makes a real push. This are the only "new" points I found (I already said why I think your reasons to be on TT are weak). And I think they are very easy to fake so that you can bring your defense now.
His points on me were literally just restating what you said about me. At least #1
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Coppola already called, he wants a movie with shockey as the protagonist cause he's so scum
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On November 03 2017 05:29 Vivax wrote:I'm here now, will read the other 90 % of the game. Highly doubt I will do much besides repeating that we should lynch shockey. I've checked a bit of his meta already and am not much the wiser as a lot of those are old or themed games. But since DF called him lynch bait as of late, in the one game where he actually got lynched D1, his filter looked much better than here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/184673-mini-mafia-iv?user=ShoCkeyy#Also, Damerion wants to lynch him, Damerion has awesome reads and until you think he's mafia you should sheep him.
In the game you linked shockey has the same tone read as here.
It reinforces my idea of him being town.
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