EPTI think I'm pretty hard to read as blue, though I was starting to hint at it a bit more today since I dropped clues to my checks in that last, last will post.
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Tictock
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I think I'm pretty hard to read as blue, though I was starting to hint at it a bit more today since I dropped clues to my checks in that last, last will post. | ||
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 Last night I also got drunk and was about to change my save from TT to Calix but my wifi behaved like shit  | ||
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On October 04 2016 06:11 Tictock wrote: Humm did you guys think I was Cop due to knowing that Jealous was the check? I think I'm pretty hard to read as blue, though I was starting to hint at it a bit more today since I dropped clues to my checks in that last, last will post. i think your very first post was like: "jealous is null but a voice is telling me he is town" even i noticed that xD the "no clue where that info came from" part made me thhink you were the one who got the 2nd check. ofc that was only possible since art told obs sho the check was edit: got ninjaed by calix. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On September 28 2016 02:08 Tictock wrote: Alright i should finish reading, but it will have to wait till later today. People I haven't really mentioned yet. Scott, prob town but kinda null. Rels is a bro and I kinda agree with the read he had on Scott earlier. He's saying stuff that makes sense and is easy to follow, so prob town. Jealous, also pretty null. Something in the back of my head is telling me he is town, but I don't know where that voice got it's info. this was the reason I hard read you as cop, but calix wasn't so sure at first. she thought you might have been the second person. | ||
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Thanks for hosting, and thanks for coaching HtS! Xat did move further into scum territory while i red what had happened over the course of the weekend, and I was all about continuing my case on him from his Lunatic defense. But Calix, I thought you said you never bussed in the previous game  Never trust anyone it seems. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
On October 04 2016 06:05 Half the Sky wrote: GG everyone. Calix, nice go on your first try as scum. I had Luna (having coached him) and Xatalos (strong mafia meta read, he hedges to the extreme as mafia plus lack of follow through in a lot of points) down relatively easy. There was also too strong an associative read between him and Luna as well. I'm probably going to get slapped around for this, but my one critique of hosting is aimed at something Artanis said in the obs QT. Medic and veteran setup is not balanced unless you give Mafia a strongman shot in a closed setup (strongman is a free vig shot that surpasses protection, and it not necessarily a role unlike the vigilante) and to an extent even that is debatable. Mafia have 20% chance of hitting prot (barring a situation where medic prots vet which is 1/12 anyhow). At extreme swinginess you have scum hitting the medic save and/or a vet in multiple phases. I think the compromise for mafia sounded okay...but I just personally triple check the crap out of my role sheet before issuing information. Of course if the role sheet itself was wrong...doh. Just my input there Ya that totally was my fault there as I got their names mixed up somehow T_T Oh well gg I think scum had a chance if they played their cards right there but I guess scum didn't think they had a chance. | ||
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Shapelog
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On October 04 2016 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It's far-fetched, but not unheard of. Shapelog made a habit of it for a while and I think you're capable of it. Hard, certainly, but possible. Nevertheless, I don't blame you for not trying. Need quite a bit of motivation for that.There were multiple people that looked pretty bad on D1. I don't think you would've stood out too much for being wrong. There were people that wanted to lynch someone else and I do believe it was possible to facilitate them. It's also possible Lunatic would've shaped up by D2. God, Those were some good games. Busing Tumble (RB) in first ever Mafia game in order to lynch Kush -> MA/Pep Storm, bussing all my team mates (rsoul, tt, K guy) and having to deal with 2 third parties, a number of blue's roles (which is another story....), and looking decent all after day 3 (game ended on day 7 IIRC). Then the game I played with DYH and Salt where I got thrown in jail and had to bus just too look good. Did some good voting fuckery D1 to not be considered scum. When I play scum (or mafia again as a whole) again, I think the buslog is going to be my start. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On October 04 2016 06:02 Calix wrote: Yeah, I saw people doing that in my first game here although I didn't bother myself. (died N1) Not sure if it's a habit that I'll get into though - I am lazy when it comes to night phases because my reads are liable to flip-flopping after a night kill - but I'll try to keep it in mind and post a short LW or some updated thoughts or whatnot. I really hope the "she hasn't died by Day X, must be scum" argument doesn't get used against me again. I've had that thrown at me back on the old site if I lived past N1 and it was always annoying to deal with >_> This argument does get used sometimes, so I'm sorry to say it may become a thing if you play here enough. I can't speak too much for it though kus I tend to use the method that I did this game ^.^ As for the associations stuff I can sorta agree they can be weak and hard to use. However... On September 28 2016 00:01 Tictock wrote: Ok I'm still about 20 pages behind but I gotta take a break and go run a couple errands so I wanted to drop some thoughts. You guys got some great interactions from Lunatic, and based on them I think we can be nearly certain that Skynx, Rels, and DandelH are town for the way they started pressure on Lunatic. Stutters also kinda got spewed town, though tbh I kinda doubt his early game play comes from scum anyhow. Calix also brought up some stuff early on about Lunatic, but the associative read here isn't as strong as the others. I'm tempted to think Calix is town for other reasons though. Oh and That instinct was spot on. I think I've also got a decent scum read based on associative stuff with Lunatic, but I want to get fully caught up before I get into that. On September 28 2016 01:57 Tictock wrote: Well I'm still a bit behind, but I did get through D1 and I might as well post this now. I think Xatalos is scum. Reading through the game I had the distinct impression that he waited as long as possible to discuss Lunatic, and when he did was always very wishy-washy about it. + Show Spoiler + This was the post that first made me raise an eyebrow. On September 24 2016 22:14 Xatalos wrote: Probably the worst post in the game so far (and definitely the worst of the opening posts). It's a wishy-washy suspicion riding on already existing suspicions. Pretty much the safest possible suspicion to make as scum, and leaves you with plenty of options to proceed (vote for him if it gains steam or forget it if not). Even the tone is so passive and uninvolved.. This was well after Lunatic's entrance and after he had fallen under some pressure. I suppose part of this is simply a "What game is he reading?" sort of reaction because this was far from any of the posts that I found interesting. What really struck me though was that this post implied that Xat had caught-up with the game, but besides asking Rel's his opinion and talking about blues there is literally no mention of Lunatic's posts until here. Which is especially Ironic given Xat was just accusing Skynx of having "no real stance on Lunatic events?" and that was literally my first thought about him while reading. It's worth noting his later posts as he decides to vote Lunatic as well. + Show Spoiler + Sorry not 100% these are in order, these start on pg 3 of Xata's filter On September 25 2016 21:05 Xatalos wrote: Yeah, that whole situation seems pretty stupid from any perspective. No reason to out a blue read in any form as town (even in the form of a non-reasoned strong town read -> pretty obviously a blue read), but no reason to start talking about that as scum either (just putting negative attention on himself for no reason). I guess it was some panic decision under pressure. Maybe leaning scum after all because why would he panic so much as town under a little pressure? Hmmm. Well, let's say he would be a lynch candidate, definitely over Stutter. On September 25 2016 21:10 Xatalos wrote: But why did you say that Stutter was a strong town read in the first place without any reasoning? Isn't that the same as claiming that he's potentially a blue in your opinion (from scum perspective)? Granted, it could also be a complicated meta reason or something, but having a blue read is often the reason if someone doesn't want to say his reasons for a read. And then why reveal the blue read so quickly anyway under a bit of pressure? It's just... pretty much a disastrous chain of events, especially if you're town and correct. It's also disastrous if you're scum, so... Just why? On September 25 2016 21:15 Xatalos wrote: On second thoughts, I can think of two potential scenarios where those events would make some sense. I think the scum scenario makes a bit more sense, given that he's a newbie. I'll wait a bit more before saying them out loud. On September 26 2016 02:16 Xatalos wrote: Huh. Yeah, I wanted to see some more posts before revealing my thoughts on Lunatic, but doesn't seem like anyone is really posting... So here are the two scenarios that I could imagine earlier: 1) Scum: He was trying to gain some easy credibility by pointing out a town read based on actual reasoning (blue read on Stutters after bluehunting him, as scum tend to bluehunt more often than town). Then he went into a bit of a panic after he got pressured for not reasoning his read and immediately claimed the blue read, which doesn't make much sense as town, but makes a bit more sense as scum since he wanted to relieve the pressure on him ASAP. In hindsight the play was a mistake (claiming Stutters was town without saying the reason), but it would make some sense from scum perspective at the time of doing it, especially since he's a newbie. 2) Town: Actually it was all a big WIFOM play as town to gather reactions and confuse scum bluehunting. However, this seems less likely since he's a newbie and still hasn't claimed anything of this sort despite lengthy posting on the topic. So all things considered, him being scum makes quite a bit more sense IMO. On September 26 2016 02:21 Xatalos wrote: Well, actually there's also a third scenario, where he's town and simply messed up by making a blue read, including it in his read list for some reason (without specifically saying that he thought he was a blue) and then saying it out loud in the heat of the moment. I guess that's a bit more likely than the scenario #2 after all since he's a newbie... But scenario #1 seems the most credible one, I guess. Hm. Any opinions? On September 26 2016 02:25 Xatalos wrote: Meh, not totally sure, but I think he still seems a bit worse than DanelerH atm. As for others, can't say I've found anything especially suspicious otherwise. Stutters' thing against Soul still confuses me. As for Jealous, I guess he could be scum, he's been pretty passive/blendy, but nothing really jumps out as scummy from him that I've noticed. There is a lot there, the stuff that I noticed was just how hard of a time Xata had calling Luna scum, he seems like he really wants to try and defend him in some of these posts, yet just can't quite do it. It reads exactly to me like a mafia who realizes he needs to bus and over-elaborates theread on his mate. It's weaker, but I also get the distinct impression that around the time of the quote from the top of this post (around pg 14) that Xata was kinda drawing attention away from what was some mounting pressure on Lunatic. That might be a bit of confirmation bias there though. 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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
On October 04 2016 06:19 Calix wrote: I don't like bussing, lol. I maintain that it's an inferior strategy and definitely not something I often do as scum. Bullshit I only have won 1/2 game without bussing. Won 3/3 games with bussing. Bussing = greatness. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On October 04 2016 06:14 Calix wrote: That Jealous comment was really conspicuous, TT. Only reason you didn't die N2 was because we thought you might have been the player that the host gave the check to. So only because you guys knew that Jealous was who get checked then? | ||
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On October 04 2016 06:22 Tictock wrote: So only because you guys knew that Jealous was who get checked then? Given that few other people had made any kind of cop-like comments, it stood out enough on its own. But it's hard to tell when I had that information from D2. | ||
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i would lynch rels in lylo like 10/10 times. unless there is also somone else who i would lxnch in lylo 10/10 times | ||
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