This is nothing compared to Ukraine. Here we have some contentious disagreement, there it was just straight up hostility and misinformation from every side.

IgnE

United States7681 Posts

September 01 2016 02:44 GMT

#162

Instead of those Barrin rules we should just enforce the charity rule, where one side must interpret the other side's arguments as charitably as possible. This xDaunt vs the world argument goes on for way too long when xDaunt clearly lays out his argument on page like xx58 and kwark keeps quibbling with him about the definition of "disproportionately".

xDaunt

United States17988 Posts

September 01 2016 02:47 GMT

#163

On September 01 2016 11:44 IgnE wrote:
Instead of those Barrin rules we should just enforce the charity rule, where one side must interpret the other side's arguments as charitably as possible. This xDaunt vs the world argument goes on for way too long when xDaunt clearly lays out his argument on page like xx58 and kwark keeps quibbling with him about the definition of "disproportionately".

The unfortunate reality is that most of the posters in that thread don't have the capacity to do this. It's a really sad state of affairs. I'm starting to wonder why I post in there because all of the liberal posters who actually could do it are either gone or rarely post anymore.

IgnE

United States7681 Posts

September 01 2016 02:52 GMT

#164

Well yeah bro I have a job and when the thread explodes to 300 posts in between times that I check it the argument comes and passes before I can comment.

LegalLord

United Kingdom13775 Posts

September 01 2016 03:42 GMT

#165

I'm more left than right, though I'd like to think that I can call out BS from the left when I see it. The thread often just goes off the deep end - people get convinced that they are right, and with something approximating a religious fervor they feel that any form of argument is justified precisely because they are convinced of their correctness. That often leads to the kind of discussion we saw with xDaunt against the world on a legal argument that he provided pretty good reasons for.

My rule is, if the discussion feels poisonous I leave. If they don't let it go then I tell them to fuck off. I'm not willing to have a discussion that is entirely voluntary with a hostile opposition, because there's nothing to be proven here. I'm here because I'm interested enough in the issues to read about and discuss them, and when I am not, I leave.

IgnE

United States7681 Posts

September 01 2016 04:50 GMT

#166

But for the record I love xdaunt arguments and I enjoyed it until Kwark came in and mucked it up.

farvacola

United States18814 Posts

September 01 2016 11:26 GMT

#167

Once I get my clerkship, Ima start posting a lot more

JimmyJRaynor

Canada16218 Posts

September 13 2016 14:43 GMT

#168

On August 31 2016 19:33 LegalLord wrote:
This is nothing compared to Ukraine. Here we have some contentious disagreement, there it was just straight up hostility and misinformation from every side.

Americans have had trouble dealing with Ukrainian issues for decades.

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oBlade

United States5096 Posts

September 14 2016 00:27 GMT

#169

On September 14 2016 06:05 puerk wrote:

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that is wrong.
black people have a cultural deficit and have noone else to blame than themselfs.
you need some blood (oh sorry i mean "culture") of romans in you to develop and maintain a public water system.

User was banned for this post.

Could I ask who did this? Surely this was a mocking post, or was that the reason?

LegalLord

United Kingdom13775 Posts

September 14 2016 00:28 GMT

#170

Even as a joke that's in pretty terrible taste.

KwarK

United States41616 Posts

September 14 2016 00:43 GMT

#171

On September 14 2016 09:27 oBlade wrote:

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Could I ask who did this? Surely this was a mocking post, or was that the reason?

Wasn't me but he does have a previous ban for referring to Iraqis as sand niggers and a few other mod items. He was already on super thin "just give me a reason" ice.

LegalLord

United Kingdom13775 Posts

September 14 2016 00:45 GMT

#172

I dunno, he seems like a jerk in general. Seems like more of the same, though I did find it odd to see him banned in the middle of a conversation I had with him.

oBlade

United States5096 Posts

September 21 2016 00:30 GMT

#173

I look forward to DJT getting access to the nuclear codes if his first target is that thread.

zlefin

United States7689 Posts

September 22 2016 21:05 GMT

#174

some people going overboard again; need some mod action stat!

LegalLord

United Kingdom13775 Posts

September 22 2016 21:07 GMT

#175

The last few days have certainly been more spirited than usual for the politics thread.

Race has consistently proven to be a terrible topic for productive discussion in the US politics thread.

KwarK

United States41616 Posts

September 22 2016 21:15 GMT

#176

For what it's worth, we have a Testie precedent here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=3400#67988
that suggests that perhaps if you're calling black people animals, whether you're going GGTemplar and calling them monkeys or going full xDaunt "BLM are vermin" that's a bit too far.

Also what the fuck is going on.

farvacola

United States18814 Posts

September 22 2016 21:29 GMT

#177

The faultlines in our political discourse are oftentimes easiest to detect when displayed against the backdrop of civil unrest.

zlefin

United States7689 Posts

September 22 2016 21:34 GMT

#178

Need more banhammers! I'll gladly carry one.
seriously though, at least some warnings are needed; and I reckon there'll be a ban or two once the mods have reviewed the cases.

KwarK

United States41616 Posts

September 22 2016 21:42 GMT

#179

If I had my way that topic wouldn't have been unlocked. Perhaps the only good thing to come out of the Trump campaign though is that nobody can claim with a straight face that racism in America isn't a real problem anymore. We have new polls on it daily with 40% or so of the population affirming their racism.