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On September 23 2016 06:42 KwarK wrote:
If I had my way that topic wouldn't have been unlocked. Perhaps the only good thing to come out of the Trump campaign though is that nobody can claim with a straight face that racism in America isn't a real problem anymore. We have new polls on it daily with 40% or so of the population affirming their racism.
I can't see xDaunt and Intro's faces but they seem pretty sincere in their beliefs that it isn't.
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On September 23 2016 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:42 KwarK wrote:
If I had my way that topic wouldn't have been unlocked. Perhaps the only good thing to come out of the Trump campaign though is that nobody can claim with a straight face that racism in America isn't a real problem anymore. We have new polls on it daily with 40% or so of the population affirming their racism. I can't see xDaunt and Intro's faces but they seem pretty sincere in their beliefs that it isn't.
If only those uppity blacks would shut up about it racism would be gone.
Although I did actually have a breakthrough moment with Danglars when he conceded that if all the white people say racism has gone and then someone asks black people and they say that it's still an issue that doesn't mean racism has increased or the definition has widened, it means you stopped asking the wrong people.
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On September 23 2016 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:42 KwarK wrote:
If I had my way that topic wouldn't have been unlocked. Perhaps the only good thing to come out of the Trump campaign though is that nobody can claim with a straight face that racism in America isn't a real problem anymore. We have new polls on it daily with 40% or so of the population affirming their racism. I can't see xDaunt and Intro's faces but they seem pretty sincere in their beliefs that it isn't.
Of course I don't believe it's racism because, like I have said repeatedly over the years, I have a color blind perspective on society. I really don't give a shit about race (which is also why I'm not part of the alt right). I certainly understand that there's this absurd opinion that is popular on the PC left that being "color blind" is racist, but I vehemently disagree with that opinion.
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On September 23 2016 07:00 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 23 2016 06:42 KwarK wrote:
If I had my way that topic wouldn't have been unlocked. Perhaps the only good thing to come out of the Trump campaign though is that nobody can claim with a straight face that racism in America isn't a real problem anymore. We have new polls on it daily with 40% or so of the population affirming their racism. I can't see xDaunt and Intro's faces but they seem pretty sincere in their beliefs that it isn't. Of course I don't believe it's racism because, like I have said repeatedly over the years, I have a color blind perspective on society. I really don't give a shit about race (which is also why I'm not part of the alt right). I certainly understand that there's this absurd opinion that is popular on the PC left that being "color blind" is racist, but I vehemently disagree with that opinion.
You're lying. Possibly to yourself, probably just to us. You can't just say a bunch of racist things and then when someone points it out you say "nope, I'm actually color blind, I don't even see different races". I'll try and put this in language you'll understand. Imagine you're in a court and you're accused of robbing a gas station. And they have the security camera footage of you doing it. If you were to insist that you're actually an honest and upstanding citizen and would never do that, while the video is playing behind you, how do you think that would go down?
You're a racist. We can tell from the way you keep saying racist things.
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I like how it doesn't even occur to Kwark that his definition of racism that labels 40% of Americans as racists might be absurd or even objectionable.
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On September 23 2016 07:42 xDaunt wrote:
I like how it doesn't even occur to Kwark that his definition of racism that labels 40% of Americans as racists might be absurd or even objectionable.
Yeah, it might be a percent or 2 to high...
A large part of America is to this day incredibly racist.
Trump has just given them the confidence to be more outspoken about it then usual.
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On September 23 2016 07:45 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 07:42 xDaunt wrote:
I like how it doesn't even occur to Kwark that his definition of racism that labels 40% of Americans as racists might be absurd or even objectionable. Yeah, it might be a percent or 2 to high... America is to this day an incredibly racist country. Trump has just given them the confidence to be more outspoken about it then usual.
i like how you so casually stereotype an entire country.
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You can make this argument that GGTemplar (and the rest) are making about how words aren't inherently racist or whatever but it just comes down to whether you are properly socialized or not. Are you aware that you are living in a heterogeneous society and are you equipped to move around it? Or do you have impaired social interaction and verbal communication skills? In other words, are you functionally autistic? Maybe a willful autism? The social equivalent of the 55 year old fat man who gets his Rascal scooter because he makes a conscious decision not to try to walk anymore.
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On September 23 2016 07:54 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 07:45 Gorsameth wrote:On September 23 2016 07:42 xDaunt wrote:
I like how it doesn't even occur to Kwark that his definition of racism that labels 40% of Americans as racists might be absurd or even objectionable. Yeah, it might be a percent or 2 to high... America is to this day an incredibly racist country. Trump has just given them the confidence to be more outspoken about it then usual. i like how you so casually stereotype an entire country.
For one we were not talking about the entire country and two, I do so based on their actions and the people they chose to support and that persons publicly stated beliefs/actions(Trump).
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On September 23 2016 07:59 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 07:54 dAPhREAk wrote:On September 23 2016 07:45 Gorsameth wrote:On September 23 2016 07:42 xDaunt wrote:
I like how it doesn't even occur to Kwark that his definition of racism that labels 40% of Americans as racists might be absurd or even objectionable. Yeah, it might be a percent or 2 to high... America is to this day an incredibly racist country. Trump has just given them the confidence to be more outspoken about it then usual. i like how you so casually stereotype an entire country. For one we were not talking about the entire country and two, I do so based on their actions and the people they chose to support and that persons publicly stated beliefs/actions(Trump).
i called the country "incredibly racist," but im not talking about the entire country, but even if i did its the country's own fault because i believe one of the candidates is racist so therefore the entire country is racist. did i get that right?
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On September 23 2016 07:42 xDaunt wrote:
I like how it doesn't even occur to Kwark that his definition of racism that labels 40% of Americans as racists might be absurd or even objectionable.
It's far more than 40% but don't worry, I'm sure you're in the top 5 or so.
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On September 23 2016 08:04 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 07:59 Gorsameth wrote:On September 23 2016 07:54 dAPhREAk wrote:On September 23 2016 07:45 Gorsameth wrote:On September 23 2016 07:42 xDaunt wrote:
I like how it doesn't even occur to Kwark that his definition of racism that labels 40% of Americans as racists might be absurd or even objectionable. Yeah, it might be a percent or 2 to high... America is to this day an incredibly racist country. Trump has just given them the confidence to be more outspoken about it then usual. i like how you so casually stereotype an entire country. For one we were not talking about the entire country and two, I do so based on their actions and the people they chose to support and that persons publicly stated beliefs/actions(Trump). i called the country "incredibly racist," but im not talking about the entire country, but even if i did its the country's own fault because i believe one of the candidates is racist so therefore the entire country is racist. did i get that right?
fine, I should have been more specific. A large part of America is still incredibly racist.
I thought it was obvious I was talking about Kwark's 40%. my bad.
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I subscribe to the view that all of us, myself included, hold stereotypes and treat people of different races differently, even if we don't do so consciously. Your duty isn't to be somehow immune to the social context that causes that and be colourblind but rather just to identify your own racism and try to work on that. I think it is incredibly obvious in the current election that a large segment of the American population embraces those racist traits and rather than seeing them as a problem seeks to define themselves with them. xDaunt is a good example of that. Not only is he racist, as pretty much everyone is to a degree, he is openly and unapologetically racist.
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So I'm busy for two hours, I return to find ten full pages of people debating vermin and monkeys. What is this monkey business?
People really need to learn when to walk away from an unproductive discussion. Otherwise, this happens.
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On September 23 2016 08:48 LegalLord wrote:
So I'm busy for two hours, I return to find ten full pages of people debating vermin and monkeys. What is this monkey business?
People really need to learn when to walk away from an unproductive discussion. Otherwise, this happens.
it's nothing important; just people pushing unsound claims.
it's hard ot stop when people are wrong on the internet.
i don't think anything important happened, so you can skip the whole block. and it looks like it may not subside tonight either, maybe just wait for tomorrow.
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I always just skim quickly whenever the thread devolves to discussion about race. As of yet, I don't think I've missed any productive discourse in doing so.
The thread's been a little irritable the past few days and I think everyone could stand to relax a bit.
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On September 23 2016 08:15 KwarK wrote:
I subscribe to the view that all of us, myself included, hold stereotypes and treat people of different races differently, even if we don't do so consciously. Your duty isn't to be somehow immune to the social context that causes that and be colourblind but rather just to identify your own racism and try to work on that. I think it is incredibly obvious in the current election that a large segment of the American population embraces those racist traits and rather than seeing them as a problem seeks to define themselves with them. xDaunt is a good example of that. Not only is he racist, as pretty much everyone is to a degree, he is openly and unapologetically racist.
You're trying to atone for your own perceived sin by projecting it on everyone else, just dump the guilt and get on with life.
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On September 23 2016 08:15 KwarK wrote:
I subscribe to the view that all of us, myself included, hold stereotypes and treat people of different races differently, even if we don't do so consciously. Your duty isn't to be somehow immune to the social context that causes that and be colourblind but rather just to identify your own racism and try to work on that. I think it is incredibly obvious in the current election that a large segment of the American population embraces those racist traits and rather than seeing them as a problem seeks to define themselves with them. xDaunt is a good example of that. Not only is he racist, as pretty much everyone is to a degree, he is openly and unapologetically racist.
Haven't been agreeing with Kwark much lately, but this is spot on.
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On September 23 2016 09:14 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 08:15 KwarK wrote:
I subscribe to the view that all of us, myself included, hold stereotypes and treat people of different races differently, even if we don't do so consciously. Your duty isn't to be somehow immune to the social context that causes that and be colourblind but rather just to identify your own racism and try to work on that. I think it is incredibly obvious in the current election that a large segment of the American population embraces those racist traits and rather than seeing them as a problem seeks to define themselves with them. xDaunt is a good example of that. Not only is he racist, as pretty much everyone is to a degree, he is openly and unapologetically racist. You're trying to atone for your own perceived sin by projecting it on everyone else, just dump the guilt and get on with life.
Or, alternatively, I'm right. Also I don't feel in the least bit guilty, I didn't create the last four centuries of racism in society, I'm just not delusional enough to claim that I'm immune to it.
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I know Kwark doesn't ban people for whatever reason, but I'm hoping that he will reconsider since that entire fiasco could have been resolved instantly instead of waiting for Falling to come around.
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