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On May 22 2016 23:23 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2016 23:22 Diabolique wrote: That is stupid, how SC2 is becoming a tier 2 esport ... they remove SC2 from IEMs, now they put it at the worst times ... I better do not think, what will happen in 2017 ... Part of it is also because every day of SSL Challenge is at least 30 games. That's double a GSL group. That's gonna take a while. You mean, it is 6 am only for SSL challenge? Not for GSL? Not for SSL bracket later?
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On May 22 2016 23:25 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2016 23:23 Elentos wrote:On May 22 2016 23:22 Diabolique wrote: That is stupid, how SC2 is becoming a tier 2 esport ... they remove SC2 from IEMs, now they put it at the worst times ... I better do not think, what will happen in 2017 ... Part of it is also because every day of SSL Challenge is at least 30 games. That's double a GSL group. That's gonna take a while. Wait, have they confirmed that all 30 are played on 1 day? That sounds mental I assumed OSL format where we might get 2 matches from each group per day Well the original schedule they released said Group A June 2, Group B June 9, etc. so I just assume they do full groups.
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Woohoo Stats! !!!!! So happy for him
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I wonder when they are gonna announce the ssl challenger groups. Kind of annoying they still haven't told us.
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On May 22 2016 23:26 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2016 23:23 Elentos wrote:On May 22 2016 23:22 Diabolique wrote: That is stupid, how SC2 is becoming a tier 2 esport ... they remove SC2 from IEMs, now they put it at the worst times ... I better do not think, what will happen in 2017 ... Part of it is also because every day of SSL Challenge is at least 30 games. That's double a GSL group. That's gonna take a while. You mean, it is 6 am only for SSL challenge? Not for GSL? Not for SSL bracket later? GSL and Proleague will not be at 6 AM and I have no idea about the main tournament for SSL.
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On May 22 2016 23:27 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2016 23:26 Diabolique wrote:On May 22 2016 23:23 Elentos wrote:On May 22 2016 23:22 Diabolique wrote: That is stupid, how SC2 is becoming a tier 2 esport ... they remove SC2 from IEMs, now they put it at the worst times ... I better do not think, what will happen in 2017 ... Part of it is also because every day of SSL Challenge is at least 30 games. That's double a GSL group. That's gonna take a while. You mean, it is 6 am only for SSL challenge? Not for GSL? Not for SSL bracket later? GSL and Proleague will not be at 6 AM and I have no idea about the main tournament for SSL. OK, then it is great. This SSL challenge are only these 4 days, and it seems that interesting that we can wake up early for it. I was afraid, it will be a timing for the whole season of GSL.
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On May 22 2016 23:29 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2016 23:27 Elentos wrote:On May 22 2016 23:26 Diabolique wrote:On May 22 2016 23:23 Elentos wrote:On May 22 2016 23:22 Diabolique wrote: That is stupid, how SC2 is becoming a tier 2 esport ... they remove SC2 from IEMs, now they put it at the worst times ... I better do not think, what will happen in 2017 ... Part of it is also because every day of SSL Challenge is at least 30 games. That's double a GSL group. That's gonna take a while. You mean, it is 6 am only for SSL challenge? Not for GSL? Not for SSL bracket later? GSL and Proleague will not be at 6 AM and I have no idea about the main tournament for SSL. OK, then it is great. This SSL challenge are only these 4 days, and it seems that interesting that we can wake up early for it. I was afraid, it will be a timing for the whole season of GSL. Nah, the graphic at the bottom said GSL is still 6:30 PM KST which is 11:30 CEST as usual.
I think Proleague will be an hour earlier on Monday and Tuesday though.
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On May 22 2016 23:31 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2016 23:29 Diabolique wrote:On May 22 2016 23:27 Elentos wrote:On May 22 2016 23:26 Diabolique wrote:On May 22 2016 23:23 Elentos wrote:On May 22 2016 23:22 Diabolique wrote: That is stupid, how SC2 is becoming a tier 2 esport ... they remove SC2 from IEMs, now they put it at the worst times ... I better do not think, what will happen in 2017 ... Part of it is also because every day of SSL Challenge is at least 30 games. That's double a GSL group. That's gonna take a while. You mean, it is 6 am only for SSL challenge? Not for GSL? Not for SSL bracket later? GSL and Proleague will not be at 6 AM and I have no idea about the main tournament for SSL. OK, then it is great. This SSL challenge are only these 4 days, and it seems that interesting that we can wake up early for it. I was afraid, it will be a timing for the whole season of GSL. Nah, the graphic at the bottom said GSL is still 6:30 PM KST which is 11:30 CEST as usual. I think Proleague will be an hour earlier on Monday and Tuesday though. Thanks. Hour sooner is great.
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7am for me, sometimes it's good to be unemployed.
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On May 22 2016 23:31 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2016 23:31 Elentos wrote:On May 22 2016 23:29 Diabolique wrote:On May 22 2016 23:27 Elentos wrote:On May 22 2016 23:26 Diabolique wrote:On May 22 2016 23:23 Elentos wrote:On May 22 2016 23:22 Diabolique wrote: That is stupid, how SC2 is becoming a tier 2 esport ... they remove SC2 from IEMs, now they put it at the worst times ... I better do not think, what will happen in 2017 ... Part of it is also because every day of SSL Challenge is at least 30 games. That's double a GSL group. That's gonna take a while. You mean, it is 6 am only for SSL challenge? Not for GSL? Not for SSL bracket later? GSL and Proleague will not be at 6 AM and I have no idea about the main tournament for SSL. OK, then it is great. This SSL challenge are only these 4 days, and it seems that interesting that we can wake up early for it. I was afraid, it will be a timing for the whole season of GSL. Nah, the graphic at the bottom said GSL is still 6:30 PM KST which is 11:30 CEST as usual. I think Proleague will be an hour earlier on Monday and Tuesday though. Thanks. Hour sooner is great. Oh and Proleague will be 1 game Monday, 1 game Tuesday and 2 games Saturday.
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GZ Stats! Nice to see him win this, but how much do we value this victory? At the end of the day it was a 4 player tournament, pretty hard to say
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All in all, I thought the games were pretty entertaining and high level (even including the archon match), and arguably as good or even better than the GSL and SSL finals. A lot was on the line: money and WCS points. And the players did play their hearts out, and there was no major tilt. Also there were some interesting plays, especially TY's speed banshee build.
Aside from the lack of hype and tight scheduling so close to Proleague finals, I'm really not sure why people would see this as an 'exhibition' tournament.
Cross final is a success!
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On May 23 2016 00:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:GZ Stats! Nice to see him win this, but how much do we value this victory? At the end of the day it was a 4 player tournament, pretty hard to say Well he did beat both reigning Starleague champions convincingly in a longer series with quite a bit of money on the line. And when you can do that, I don't really think it matters if it's a 4 player tournament. You're still pretty damn good and it's still a strong showing.
Obviously he didn't win a GSL today, but it was a great performance nonetheless.
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Nice to see Stats kick everyone's ass.
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On May 23 2016 00:55 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2016 00:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:GZ Stats! Nice to see him win this, but how much do we value this victory? At the end of the day it was a 4 player tournament, pretty hard to say Well he did beat both reigning Starleague champions convincingly in a longer series with quite a bit of money on the line. And when you can do that, I don't really think it matters if it's a 4 player tournament. You're still pretty damn good and it's still a strong showing. Obviously he didn't win a GSL today, but it was a great performance nonetheless. Oh don't get me wrong, i certainly think Stats is one of the best players in the world right now and today proved that. But in general, how much do we value the cross finals? It's kinda meh i think :/
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On May 23 2016 01:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2016 00:55 Elentos wrote:On May 23 2016 00:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:GZ Stats! Nice to see him win this, but how much do we value this victory? At the end of the day it was a 4 player tournament, pretty hard to say Well he did beat both reigning Starleague champions convincingly in a longer series with quite a bit of money on the line. And when you can do that, I don't really think it matters if it's a 4 player tournament. You're still pretty damn good and it's still a strong showing. Obviously he didn't win a GSL today, but it was a great performance nonetheless. Oh don't get me wrong, i certainly think Stats is one of the best players in the world right now and today proved that. But in general, how much do we value the cross finals? It's kinda meh i think :/ Considering that the qualifying requirement is top 2 in a Korean Starleague I'd say it's still pretty big in the end. I mean it's almost impossible to qualify for it, let alone win it, for the vast majority of pro players. And it's not like it's Blizzcon where some participants get to play months after they've dropped out of their peak form. So it's a high level competition that's incredibly hard to get to. I don't think the fact that it's 4 players hurts a lot. Obviously it's not anywhere near the level of a Starleague, but this year I don't think anything is, as I'm doubtful about the "Global Playoffs".
It would have been nicer if it hadn't been on the same weekend as Proleague playoffs though, I think that would have elevated the level a bit more. Not just the level of play mind you, also the hype levels.
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Probably... Stats asked Zest and TY to let him get into final to beat Dark for revenge now even if they are lost in proleague, KT Rolster has become the king of individual tournament :D
Grats to Stats... I'm rooting for TY vs Stats final but oh well...
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Chintoss bringing great honor to the KT Protoss line
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On May 23 2016 01:35 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2016 01:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:On May 23 2016 00:55 Elentos wrote:On May 23 2016 00:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:GZ Stats! Nice to see him win this, but how much do we value this victory? At the end of the day it was a 4 player tournament, pretty hard to say Well he did beat both reigning Starleague champions convincingly in a longer series with quite a bit of money on the line. And when you can do that, I don't really think it matters if it's a 4 player tournament. You're still pretty damn good and it's still a strong showing. Obviously he didn't win a GSL today, but it was a great performance nonetheless. Oh don't get me wrong, i certainly think Stats is one of the best players in the world right now and today proved that. But in general, how much do we value the cross finals? It's kinda meh i think :/ Considering that the qualifying requirement is top 2 in a Korean Starleague I'd say it's still pretty big in the end. I mean it's almost impossible to qualify for it, let alone win it, for the vast majority of pro players. And it's not like it's Blizzcon where some participants get to play months after they've dropped out of their peak form. So it's a high level competition that's incredibly hard to get to. I don't think the fact that it's 4 players hurts a lot. Obviously it's not anywhere near the level of a Starleague, but this year I don't think anything is, as I'm doubtful about the "Global Playoffs". It would have been nicer if it hadn't been on the same weekend as Proleague playoffs though, I think that would have elevated the level a bit more. Not just the level of play mind you, also the hype levels.
Hm yeah it being played at the same weekend as pl finals did hurt i guess. Still i feel like it would be more hype if it were more players, say top 4 of both leagues for example, you could make groups, etc. Still, the games are high level and as you said it's likely that the players are still on their a game, so it defenitely is good enough.
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On May 23 2016 02:55 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2016 01:35 Elentos wrote:On May 23 2016 01:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:On May 23 2016 00:55 Elentos wrote:On May 23 2016 00:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:GZ Stats! Nice to see him win this, but how much do we value this victory? At the end of the day it was a 4 player tournament, pretty hard to say Well he did beat both reigning Starleague champions convincingly in a longer series with quite a bit of money on the line. And when you can do that, I don't really think it matters if it's a 4 player tournament. You're still pretty damn good and it's still a strong showing. Obviously he didn't win a GSL today, but it was a great performance nonetheless. Oh don't get me wrong, i certainly think Stats is one of the best players in the world right now and today proved that. But in general, how much do we value the cross finals? It's kinda meh i think :/ Considering that the qualifying requirement is top 2 in a Korean Starleague I'd say it's still pretty big in the end. I mean it's almost impossible to qualify for it, let alone win it, for the vast majority of pro players. And it's not like it's Blizzcon where some participants get to play months after they've dropped out of their peak form. So it's a high level competition that's incredibly hard to get to. I don't think the fact that it's 4 players hurts a lot. Obviously it's not anywhere near the level of a Starleague, but this year I don't think anything is, as I'm doubtful about the "Global Playoffs". It would have been nicer if it hadn't been on the same weekend as Proleague playoffs though, I think that would have elevated the level a bit more. Not just the level of play mind you, also the hype levels. Hm yeah it being played at the same weekend as pl finals did hurt i guess. Still i feel like it would be more hype if it were more players, say top 4 of both leagues for example, you could make groups, etc. Still, the games are high level and as you said it's likely that the players are still on their a game, so it defenitely is good enough. So make it more like the 2013 WCS season finals? I liked those so I wouldn't mind. Doesn't seem feasible to do that on a single day though, and I reckon being able to do it on a single day was probably important to the organizers. Especially since it being multiple days would just be a scheduling disaster with Proleague on weekends.
Meanwhile, remember when they announced KeSPA Cup would take place in May? What happened to that? Someone go annoy Wolf about that.
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