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On May 22 2016 23:27 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2016 23:25 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On May 22 2016 23:23 Elentos wrote:On May 22 2016 23:22 Diabolique wrote:
That is stupid, how SC2 is becoming a tier 2 esport ... they remove SC2 from IEMs, now they put it at the worst times ... I better do not think, what will happen in 2017 ... Part of it is also because every day of SSL Challenge is at least 30 games. That's double a GSL group. That's gonna take a while. Wait, have they confirmed that all 30 are played on 1 day? That sounds mental I assumed OSL format where we might get 2 matches from each group per day Well the original schedule they released said Group A June 2, Group B June 9, etc. so I just assume they do full groups.
That would be absurd. Matches + time inbetween can easily be 20 min on average. 3 matches take an hour and 30 10 hours. Even if we tone it down to an average of 15 min between game starts we end up with 7,5 hours.
Nope I don't think its gonna happen.
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Not to mention Stats beat the best PvPer and vest ZvPer.
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What were the best games of Stats vs Dark?
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On May 23 2016 04:17 Aunvilgodess wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2016 23:27 Elentos wrote:On May 22 2016 23:25 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On May 22 2016 23:23 Elentos wrote:On May 22 2016 23:22 Diabolique wrote:
That is stupid, how SC2 is becoming a tier 2 esport ... they remove SC2 from IEMs, now they put it at the worst times ... I better do not think, what will happen in 2017 ... Part of it is also because every day of SSL Challenge is at least 30 games. That's double a GSL group. That's gonna take a while. Wait, have they confirmed that all 30 are played on 1 day? That sounds mental I assumed OSL format where we might get 2 matches from each group per day Well the original schedule they released said Group A June 2, Group B June 9, etc. so I just assume they do full groups. That would be absurd. Matches + time inbetween can easily be 20 min on average. 3 matches take an hour and 30 10 hours. Even if we tone it down to an average of 15 min between game starts we end up with 7,5 hours. Nope I don't think its gonna happen.
Logically it wouldn't really make sense. But the schedule they showed on screen during the qualifiers had only 1 day per group, and the teaser for Starleague said Challenge would take place every Thursday in June. So SPOTV being batshit crazy and going for 30 games a day is what I'm rolling with.
If they did like half the games for one group and then had a month of break until they play the other half of that group that's just a giant mess.
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On May 23 2016 05:21 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2016 04:17 Aunvilgodess wrote:On May 22 2016 23:27 Elentos wrote:On May 22 2016 23:25 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On May 22 2016 23:23 Elentos wrote:On May 22 2016 23:22 Diabolique wrote:
That is stupid, how SC2 is becoming a tier 2 esport ... they remove SC2 from IEMs, now they put it at the worst times ... I better do not think, what will happen in 2017 ... Part of it is also because every day of SSL Challenge is at least 30 games. That's double a GSL group. That's gonna take a while. Wait, have they confirmed that all 30 are played on 1 day? That sounds mental I assumed OSL format where we might get 2 matches from each group per day Well the original schedule they released said Group A June 2, Group B June 9, etc. so I just assume they do full groups. That would be absurd. Matches + time inbetween can easily be 20 min on average. 3 matches take an hour and 30 10 hours. Even if we tone it down to an average of 15 min between game starts we end up with 7,5 hours. Nope I don't think its gonna happen. Logically it wouldn't really make sense. But the schedule they showed on screen during the qualifiers had only 1 day per group, and the teaser for Starleague said Challenge would take place every Thursday in June. So SPOTV being batshit crazy and going for 30 games a day is what I'm rolling with. If they did like half the games for one group and then had a month of break until they play the other half of that group that's just a giant mess.
Would be funny though
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On May 23 2016 05:03 Aunvilgodess wrote:
What were the best games of Stats vs Dark?
Game 2 on Dusk Towers was by far the best one. Game 3&4 were decent at best. Game 1 was kinda funny for all the Protoss reasons.
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On May 23 2016 04:17 Aunvilgodess wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2016 23:27 Elentos wrote:On May 22 2016 23:25 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On May 22 2016 23:23 Elentos wrote:On May 22 2016 23:22 Diabolique wrote:
That is stupid, how SC2 is becoming a tier 2 esport ... they remove SC2 from IEMs, now they put it at the worst times ... I better do not think, what will happen in 2017 ... Part of it is also because every day of SSL Challenge is at least 30 games. That's double a GSL group. That's gonna take a while. Wait, have they confirmed that all 30 are played on 1 day? That sounds mental I assumed OSL format where we might get 2 matches from each group per day Well the original schedule they released said Group A June 2, Group B June 9, etc. so I just assume they do full groups. That would be absurd. Matches + time inbetween can easily be 20 min on average. 3 matches take an hour and 30 10 hours. Even if we tone it down to an average of 15 min between game starts we end up with 7,5 hours. Nope I don't think its gonna happen.
I am sure, it will be played in one day. Therefore, it is not BO3, but this funny system with 2 games each, so 30 games in total. I expect, some games will be played simultaneously. It is just a challenge, so the casters can choose, which games to broadcast and which ones will be played without streaming.
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Stats is a very weird player. He is not flashy in any sensible way and I am not even aware of any "style" he would have. But all his games I have seen recently have a very similar theme - they were "kinda solid". He even does mistakes, he is well capable of forgetting units or outright botching micro, or even doing tactical mistakes of attacking at wrong times, yet he somehow manages to win and to look quite convincingly in it. It is a quality that's really hard to grasp, but it works.
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On May 23 2016 09:10 opisska wrote:
Stats is a very weird player. He is not flashy in any sensible way and I am not even aware of any "style" he would have. But all his games I have seen recently have a very similar theme - they were "kinda solid". He even does mistakes, he is well capable of forgetting units or outright botching micro, or even doing tactical mistakes of attacking at wrong times, yet he somehow manages to win and to look quite convincingly in it. It is a quality that's really hard to grasp, but it works.
I like Stats. Because he loses to sOs. Even when Stats is in his top form and sOs is not, sOs manages to create some fear in Stats, take a risk and win. If there was a player on the other side, in whom sOs cannot create fear (like Innovation), sOs would lose.
On Saturday, if Stats attacked sOs when he created his second and third nexus and did not have any sizeable army, sOs would lose and KT would be probably the winner of Proleague. But somehow, Stats was afraid to attack, even to scout. Therefore, I like Stats :-)
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On May 23 2016 01:35 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2016 01:30 The_Red_Viper wrote:On May 23 2016 00:55 Elentos wrote:On May 23 2016 00:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:GZ Stats! Nice to see him win this, but how much do we value this victory? At the end of the day it was a 4 player tournament, pretty hard to say  Well he did beat both reigning Starleague champions convincingly in a longer series with quite a bit of money on the line. And when you can do that, I don't really think it matters if it's a 4 player tournament. You're still pretty damn good and it's still a strong showing. Obviously he didn't win a GSL today, but it was a great performance nonetheless. Oh don't get me wrong, i certainly think Stats is one of the best players in the world right now and today proved that. But in general, how much do we value the cross finals? It's kinda meh i think :/ Considering that the qualifying requirement is top 2 in a Korean Starleague I'd say it's still pretty big in the end. I mean it's almost impossible to qualify for it, let alone win it, for the vast majority of pro players. And it's not like it's Blizzcon where some participants get to play months after they've dropped out of their peak form. So it's a high level competition that's incredibly hard to get to. I don't think the fact that it's 4 players hurts a lot. Obviously it's not anywhere near the level of a Starleague, but this year I don't think anything is, as I'm doubtful about the "Global Playoffs".
I love this point - that since the Cross Final is closer to the Starleague finals, it's a tournament with the top players at their peak. And I think it really showed in the games - all 4 players were playing top level stuff, without massive tilts and mistakes. Same reason why I've always enjoyed KeSPA Cup.
Would expanding the tournament from 4 to 8 be better? Of course, more diversity and more chance to see high level play from the Starleague semi-finalists. I think 8 players is the max - anything more would be running close to a weekend Starleague and diminish the 'elite' factor of the tourney. But a 4-player tourney is really good enough to guarantee high level play - the only thing it really suffers from is diversity.
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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On May 23 2016 12:58 juicyjames wrote:
Any recommended matches?
The entire TY vs. Dark set and Game 2 of Stats vs Dark. As for the PvPs, depends how much you like PvP...
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On May 23 2016 10:24 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2016 09:10 opisska wrote:
Stats is a very weird player. He is not flashy in any sensible way and I am not even aware of any "style" he would have. But all his games I have seen recently have a very similar theme - they were "kinda solid". He even does mistakes, he is well capable of forgetting units or outright botching micro, or even doing tactical mistakes of attacking at wrong times, yet he somehow manages to win and to look quite convincingly in it. It is a quality that's really hard to grasp, but it works. I like Stats. Because he loses to sOs. Even when Stats is in his top form and sOs is not, sOs manages to create some fear in Stats, take a risk and win. If there was a player on the other side, in whom sOs cannot create fear (like Innovation), sOs would lose. On Saturday, if Stats attacked sOs when he created his second and third nexus and did not have any sizeable army, sOs would lose and KT would be probably the winner of Proleague. But somehow, Stats was afraid to attack, even to scout. Therefore, I like Stats :-)
Stats could not commit and kill sOs since he had pylons ready at the ramp of his main and if Stats could not kill him, he would be behind because oracles. sOs thought that would be the case and kept on massing oracles and producing probes.
Imho tho, Stats is doing what Rain was doing-- adding cheesy plays with his solid play to get the wins. Rain himself said at the SSL qualitfiers said that this method got the most wins when he himself did it.
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On May 23 2016 09:10 opisska wrote:
Stats is a very weird player. He is not flashy in any sensible way and I am not even aware of any "style" he would have. But all his games I have seen recently have a very similar theme - they were "kinda solid". He even does mistakes, he is well capable of forgetting units or outright botching micro, or even doing tactical mistakes of attacking at wrong times, yet he somehow manages to win and to look quite convincingly in it. It is a quality that's really hard to grasp, but it works.
Dunno why but he reminds me of sOs.... maybe his love for dts and cheesy plays into macro?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 23 2016 05:03 Aunvilgodess wrote:
What were the best games of Stats vs Dark?
Game 2 was a very nice build from Dark. But the whole series was a decent pace, would recommend all 4 games.
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Congrat STATS!
I intended to do a timing whine before 3rd mail but TL's mail icon is wayyyyy too small so i missed the second mail and got banned for 2 days.
Such unfortunate.......
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