TL Mafia LXXIV: Storm Mafia 3 - Page 199

On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:


damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT.

On March 25 2016 06:57 ritoky wrote:


i spelled it out multiple times, but sure.

i am vt, i know nothing about the setup since it is closed. i have been in closed setups that are basically the same as a normal game and closed setups with 20 players, 19 of which are roles or mafia. i wanted to gauge the nature of how many PRs were in the game while locating all the VTs and narrowing down my potential mafia greatly.

so i angle shot using the name of the role, assuming all town roles are named the same thing and that mafia either didn't get fake role pms or were too careless to reference them and understand what i was doing before it was already too late. the goal was to utilize the picture of the expedition, have people understand it, realize expedition was also in their role pm, and start forming a coalition of townies who understood we were all town based on the understanding of the expedition. from there you have a large block of people who identify eachother as near lock town and there is a vast amount of control over the day phase because of it as well as a smaller pool of people for potentially mafia. it forces mafia into an awkward spot where they have to choose to not PR hunt and leave PRs alive thus costing them a great deal or leave this large block of semi-confirmed townies alive and concede a ton of day phase control. the mafia lose something large either way.

i think it is a pretty well devised plan, apparently i am alone.

On March 27 2016 15:49 ritoky wrote:


This. Very much this. Your role is effectively useless without its counterpart which is someone you don't know and who could be of the opposite alignment? You don't know what your role is capable of; but it is a "really bad idea" to shoot you or lynch you? Also when your role is this convoluted to the point where even if you claimed it in the thread no one would really know what the hell it does and if you're a priority night kill; why don't you claim it when you're tied in votes and have to leave the thread?

That said I have slightly softened based on the content of the claim because it almost seems so wonky it might be true...but her play and the method of claim and everything about this stinks.....ugh I wanna conf bias so hard on this.

On March 28 2016 17:14 ritoky wrote:
i will be the first one to tell you rsoul that my execution of that plan was bad. the plan is good, execution bad. said it a bunch of times and have since moved on cuz if i bring it up people take that opportunity to call me an idiot and being called bad/trash/dumb gets old so i will just keep my disagreements on the matter to myself going forward.

i posted the picture -> people aren't grasping what i am doing because they scroll past the picture w/o thinking -> i make a post indicating the picture is a play -> that post was dumb and i shoulda just stayed quiet to let it develop -> the play then becomes a clusterfuck. basically it fucked up because i, as a player, am bad at staying quiet and on the sidelines when i am available to post. if that explanation doesn't reach you, that's on you cuz it is the truth.

outside of that, which i guess i can understand how my filter can be read as me utilizing my play to confirm myself rather than build something (altho i do tend to try and find ridiculous ways to confirm myself as town); no i don't understand how i can be read mafia. i have deep reads, not as much as i would like but that's due to the holiday primarily, have spent a lot of time attempting to drive the game forward or develop my reads (i mean a lot of this is at your expense so i guess you wouldn't view it as useful)....and i think some of what i have done and said i can't do as mafia....so yeah i think i am pretty blatantly town outside of the fact that i was spamming the word expedition and claiming VT and then a VT flipped as an expedition member.

On March 28 2016 17:48 ritoky wrote:
i am trying to evaluate if it is even worth lynching rsoul today.....supposedly she has an item that has a 50% chance of turning into an action or blowing up and being useless immediately upon night phase correct?

so the options are:
1 - town -> item -> potential useful information
2 - town -> nothing -> we are at the same place tomorrow
3 - mafia -> item -> net loss, will probably say no item or lie about usage to seem more town
4 - mafia -> nothing -> we are at the same place tomorrow


ugh that's a shitty EV imo

On March 30 2016 12:28 ritoky wrote:
i am still stuck on what the hell rsoul's plan was supposed to be.......i mean it is entirely possible she just lied about her role and how it works.....but what's her plan there.

if damdred is mafia with her -> gives explanation why damdred keeps living through phases, since "mafia is afraid to shoot the vest"

if damdred is town -> "i gave damdred a vest" -> "uhhh, no you didn't" -> "guess i was roleblocked guys!" -> get lynched

it is very confusing to me right now.

On March 31 2016 06:51 ritoky wrote:
is mass claim a terrible idea right here?

On March 31 2016 12:49 ritoky wrote:


you're claiming a role in direct conflict with the OP and stated rules. if you live you need to explain. if i am alive and you do not, my vote will be on you and i will encourage every other vote to be on you too. we are lynching mafia and likely reducing kp (whether it is kp/faction or 2kptill2) so i am willing to postpone this discussion until tomorrow, but it will be happening next day phase.

On March 31 2016 20:43 ritoky wrote:


dunno, haven't read his filter. was going to, then he claimed so i didn't care and still don't because his game is now entirely claim centric. he's a claimed medic, if he dies he is town, if he doesn't he is mafia....pretty mafia 101, there's no particular value in evaluating his play

On March 31 2016 21:41 Rels wrote:
ritoky's read progression on Damdred. Never did he give a single, real, non-claim-related read on him when Damdred is supposed to be one of ritoky's best read. And even if that was not the case, it doesn't match up with "I don't like claim centric stuff" he says he has.

On March 24 2016 15:55 ritoky wrote:


nah, i plan to stay at my current capacity. i carried and dumped too much effort into my last couple games and haven't spammed pictures or been a useless pile of shit in a while. gotta level that play and stick to my style of high variance. of course i say that today while i am emotionally stable, and i am prone to getting mad or sad and being a spamlord.

On March 28 2016 17:04 ritoky wrote:
reading this phase has made me kinda remember why i stopped playing on another forum i played on. and why i don't sign up for a lot of games with tons of PRs....cuz if you roll VT i feel like the game becomes less about reading people and a battle of wits and more about evaluating PRs and their claims and its kinda meh feeling.

On March 31 2016 20:43 ritoky wrote:


dunno, haven't read his filter. was going to, then he claimed so i didn't care and still don't because his game is now entirely claim centric. he's a claimed medic, if he dies he is town, if he doesn't he is mafia....pretty mafia 101, there's no particular value in evaluating his play