EPTOn April 01 2016 03:05 Shapelog wrote:
You know what the number 2 and a fertilizer bag have in common?
You know what the number 2 and a fertilizer bag have in common?
Do numbers exist in reality or are they mere mind-constructs?
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Kurumi
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Shapelog
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On April 01 2016 03:12 Kurumi wrote: Do numbers exist in reality or are they mere mind-constructs? In this case, it exists. In your case, it does not. In the Hosts case, numbers are balacing tools. In the other players case, 3 + 7 / 10 = 2. ... Do you know what the number 2 and a fertilizer bag have in common? | ||
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Shapelog
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Even acting like a rebel due not answering my question. 1,000,000% scum now. That is a new high-score! Now to do something meaningful in this game. | ||
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Tumblewood
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In other news the sun is hot This day is weird for me. I can't argue about the lynch because the next debatable one is in 3 days and that's a long time to argue. OWS, you said ritoky is "probably not mafia". Do you disagree with Rels' case? (this question goes to anyone TRing ritoky) | ||
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Kurumi
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On April 01 2016 03:25 Tumblewood wrote: Ooh Scott's going to be gone In other news the sun is hot This day is weird for me. I can't argue about the lynch because the next debatable one is in 3 days and that's a long time to argue. OWS, you said ritoky is "probably not mafia". Do you disagree with Rels' case? (this question goes to anyone TRing ritoky) Sure it is weird, you have done pretty much nothing. Don't worry, you are not the only one! | ||
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Shapelog
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On April 01 2016 03:31 Tumblewood wrote: I kinda expected Shape to comment on Koshi saying his ridiculous setup/role spec is correct and smart. The setup tinfoiling is stupid right now-- no one's even flipped as anything but rebel and town. We probably don't even know all of the blue roles yet, why would we know the scum / 3p roles? Let me have my aliens. Let me have my alien SL. ![[image loading]](http://www.matchstickeyes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/XCOM-Thin-Man.jpg) | ||
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I mean, kind of | ||
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On April 01 2016 03:45 Kurumi wrote: btw guys I am going to flip town I mean, kind of This goes against where you say you aren't "playing your toll meta and therefore won't dissect the bullet to try to get another one."  Actually everything goes against that so another contraction. You really are good at those aren't you? | ||
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LightningStrike
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On April 01 2016 03:45 Kurumi wrote: btw guys I am going to flip town I mean, kind of Are you pulling a Eden? | ||
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On April 01 2016 03:16 Kurumi wrote: I don't speak to relativists. My mommy told me you guys vote for Trump. Mommy was right. | ||
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Kurumi
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I'm known for lynching myself when I believe I am the Mafia Traitor. | ||
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LightningStrike
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On April 01 2016 04:12 Kurumi wrote: I'm known for lynching myself when I believe I am the Mafia Traitor. Eden in Linux claimed scum into cop as scum lol. | ||
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On March 31 2016 23:30 Rels wrote: Why ritoky is scum and will be lynched tomorrow 1. His mindset on claims doesn't match with his play OK this is Koshi's point. It's the biggest him against ritoky. ritoky has stated that he dislikes claim centric gameplay, but a large majority of his posts are centered on claims. That actually starts with his very first one, since he opened the game with a plan to make all VT claim and form a confirmed VT circle. A few sample: What he says he's doing: What he's actually doing: + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2016 07:17 ritoky wrote: ![[image loading]](http://assets.forddirect.fordvehicles.com/assets/2016_Ford_Expedition_J1/NGBS/Model_Image3/Model_Image3_136B520C-1AD6-4419-8794-C04F8794C04F.png) On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote: damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT. On March 24 2016 10:16 ritoky wrote: SL vivax supebia damdred lightningstrike On March 25 2016 06:57 ritoky wrote: i spelled it out multiple times, but sure. i am vt, i know nothing about the setup since it is closed. i have been in closed setups that are basically the same as a normal game and closed setups with 20 players, 19 of which are roles or mafia. i wanted to gauge the nature of how many PRs were in the game while locating all the VTs and narrowing down my potential mafia greatly. so i angle shot using the name of the role, assuming all town roles are named the same thing and that mafia either didn't get fake role pms or were too careless to reference them and understand what i was doing before it was already too late. the goal was to utilize the picture of the expedition, have people understand it, realize expedition was also in their role pm, and start forming a coalition of townies who understood we were all town based on the understanding of the expedition. from there you have a large block of people who identify eachother as near lock town and there is a vast amount of control over the day phase because of it as well as a smaller pool of people for potentially mafia. it forces mafia into an awkward spot where they have to choose to not PR hunt and leave PRs alive thus costing them a great deal or leave this large block of semi-confirmed townies alive and concede a ton of day phase control. the mafia lose something large either way. i think it is a pretty well devised plan, apparently i am alone. On March 27 2016 15:49 ritoky wrote: This. Very much this. Your role is effectively useless without its counterpart which is someone you don't know and who could be of the opposite alignment? You don't know what your role is capable of; but it is a "really bad idea" to shoot you or lynch you? Also when your role is this convoluted to the point where even if you claimed it in the thread no one would really know what the hell it does and if you're a priority night kill; why don't you claim it when you're tied in votes and have to leave the thread? That said I have slightly softened based on the content of the claim because it almost seems so wonky it might be true...but her play and the method of claim and everything about this stinks.....ugh I wanna conf bias so hard on this. On March 28 2016 17:14 ritoky wrote: i will be the first one to tell you rsoul that my execution of that plan was bad. the plan is good, execution bad. said it a bunch of times and have since moved on cuz if i bring it up people take that opportunity to call me an idiot and being called bad/trash/dumb gets old so i will just keep my disagreements on the matter to myself going forward. i posted the picture -> people aren't grasping what i am doing because they scroll past the picture w/o thinking -> i make a post indicating the picture is a play -> that post was dumb and i shoulda just stayed quiet to let it develop -> the play then becomes a clusterfuck. basically it fucked up because i, as a player, am bad at staying quiet and on the sidelines when i am available to post. if that explanation doesn't reach you, that's on you cuz it is the truth. outside of that, which i guess i can understand how my filter can be read as me utilizing my play to confirm myself rather than build something (altho i do tend to try and find ridiculous ways to confirm myself as town); no i don't understand how i can be read mafia. i have deep reads, not as much as i would like but that's due to the holiday primarily, have spent a lot of time attempting to drive the game forward or develop my reads (i mean a lot of this is at your expense so i guess you wouldn't view it as useful)....and i think some of what i have done and said i can't do as mafia....so yeah i think i am pretty blatantly town outside of the fact that i was spamming the word expedition and claiming VT and then a VT flipped as an expedition member. On March 28 2016 17:48 ritoky wrote: i am trying to evaluate if it is even worth lynching rsoul today.....supposedly she has an item that has a 50% chance of turning into an action or blowing up and being useless immediately upon night phase correct? so the options are: 1 - town -> item -> potential useful information 2 - town -> nothing -> we are at the same place tomorrow 3 - mafia -> item -> net loss, will probably say no item or lie about usage to seem more town 4 - mafia -> nothing -> we are at the same place tomorrow ugh that's a shitty EV imo On March 30 2016 12:28 ritoky wrote: i am still stuck on what the hell rsoul's plan was supposed to be.......i mean it is entirely possible she just lied about her role and how it works.....but what's her plan there. if damdred is mafia with her -> gives explanation why damdred keeps living through phases, since "mafia is afraid to shoot the vest" if damdred is town -> "i gave damdred a vest" -> "uhhh, no you didn't" -> "guess i was roleblocked guys!" -> get lynched it is very confusing to me right now. On March 31 2016 06:51 ritoky wrote: is mass claim a terrible idea right here? On March 31 2016 12:49 ritoky wrote: you're claiming a role in direct conflict with the OP and stated rules. if you live you need to explain. if i am alive and you do not, my vote will be on you and i will encourage every other vote to be on you too. we are lynching mafia and likely reducing kp (whether it is kp/faction or 2kptill2) so i am willing to postpone this discussion until tomorrow, but it will be happening next day phase. On March 31 2016 20:43 ritoky wrote: dunno, haven't read his filter. was going to, then he claimed so i didn't care and still don't because his game is now entirely claim centric. he's a claimed medic, if he dies he is town, if he doesn't he is mafia....pretty mafia 101, there's no particular value in evaluating his play 2. His plan is scum motivated, but more than that the way he played the plan is scum motivated First, his plan is scum motivated because it has benefits and weakness: its benefit is the creation of a confirmed town circle, the weakness is that it helps scum to bluehunt. Now scum is very likely to have access to fakeclaim, so there is actually no benefit since we cannot believe the results of the plan. Even if we were sure it was not the case, a smart scum could have realized very quickly what ritoky was doing and enter the plan, making it work for only the first few person to claim to become confirmed. Finally, even if smart scum didn't realize the plan before too late, they STILL could arguee the previous point to cast doubt on the confirmed status of the VT. To summarize, the plan itself has benefits for scum mainly. This doesn't mean much for ritoky's alignment 'cause townies can push bad plan. But there is something that is super scum indicative. ritoky played this plan not to discover VTs but to confirm himself town. He blew his plan very quickly, making comment on what he was doing along the way, making it obvious what he was going for. After that, the plan couldn't work; there is no town!motivation to do that. Absolutely none. The scum!motivation is to clearly show that he was really trying to solve the game via a smart plan, so he was town. In particular, this post doesn't make any sense from a town perspective: He posted this 1h30 after the picture. Bluehunting only helps scum. If ritoky was town and saw that his plan was not working, he would shut up about his resulsts and move on to something else, either abandonning his plan or hoping it would work later when more people saw the picture. Posting "Damdred is not VT" doesn't do anything to push town forward; it does the opposite. 3. His attitude, especially compared to previous games in which he was town ritoky has only a few elaborate reads. He's not doing much to push the game forward. His only elaborate reads that doens't rely on claims are on LS, rsoul and me. It looks like he tryharded his push against rsoul and lost this motivation after that. Incidentally, townies should have the opposite reaction to 2-soon-to-be-3 scum death in a row. This is a scummy attitude by itself, but it's even worst when you take meta into account. ritoky has coached me, so I can say without the shadow of a doubt that he is a very smart player that knows how to evaluate people smartly. For example, he has a very good read on me. I remember the nutcracker game in which he was killed N1; I was town but was super inactive D1. Some people wanted to lynch me. But ritoky was in control of the game, stating that my lynch (and a few others) were off-limit 'cause he wanted to have more infos on me. That is how ritoky plays as town. Proactively. Same thing for Damdred. ritoky has a soulread on Damdred. It might not be as strong now as it used to be, due to Damdred improving his already-very-good scum play lately; but I'm sure ritoky never tried to not read Damdred in a game where he was town. This game ? I made a post on that subject there: + Show Spoiler + On March 31 2016 21:41 Rels wrote: ritoky's read progression on Damdred. Never did he give a single, real, non-claim-related read on him when Damdred is supposed to be one of ritoky's best read. And even if that was not the case, it doesn't match up with "I don't like claim centric stuff" he says he has. To repeat, ritoky got killed in nutcracker N1 because he was so active, proactive and most of all smartly questionning people and driving the thread. Same thing happened in millionaire: he was elected mayor because of his play D0. This is NOT how ritoky is playing this game. THis is way more similar to his passive play in Outlaws, when he just watched me get lynched D1. He would have lynched me D2 if he could in this current game. To explain this change of heart, ritoky has had a few scummy excuses. Not gonna quote "normal" excuses which everyone make like "can't play tomorrow I'm traveling"; these are scum indicative because they try to explain why ritoky is playing bad for no reason. + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2016 15:55 ritoky wrote: nah, i plan to stay at my current capacity. i carried and dumped too much effort into my last couple games and haven't spammed pictures or been a useless pile of shit in a while. gotta level that play and stick to my style of high variance. of course i say that today while i am emotionally stable, and i am prone to getting mad or sad and being a spamlord. On March 28 2016 17:04 ritoky wrote: reading this phase has made me kinda remember why i stopped playing on another forum i played on. and why i don't sign up for a lot of games with tons of PRs....cuz if you roll VT i feel like the game becomes less about reading people and a battle of wits and more about evaluating PRs and their claims and its kinda meh feeling. On March 31 2016 20:43 ritoky wrote: dunno, haven't read his filter. was going to, then he claimed so i didn't care and still don't because his game is now entirely claim centric. he's a claimed medic, if he dies he is town, if he doesn't he is mafia....pretty mafia 101, there's no particular value in evaluating his play Conclusion ritoky is scum. Lynch him as soon as there is no more claimed scum to lynch. Point 1 I agreed with entirely as I made a comment about him blue hunting and how he was known for his blue hunting skills as scum. Point 2: Two was the same thing Tina argued for why ritoky was scum but it also part of Part 1 too. Point 3: I do see your point there his read on Damdred was very odd and a couple of us talked about it I think(could be wrong on here). His excuses are kinda bad honestly from a townie point of view mainly due to the fact that it indicates he wants to be lazy. I here on my computer now and I really do hate quoting large posts like Rel's case on ritoky on my phone because it takes up more than my screen and I would need to scroll down and hard for me to keep track of everything I trying to answer >.< | ||
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Shapelog
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Who do you suspect? | ||
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LightningStrike
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On April 01 2016 05:12 Shapelog wrote: LS, you prob. already said it, but i am lazy so. Who do you suspect? Sigh. ritoky/VA. Rel's case on ritoky actually was some of thoughts I had of ritoky around Day 1/Day 2 area regarding ritoky's plan. VA although looking better, his vote on me was very opportunistic wehn Sandroba voted me. | ||
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