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I just realized that post makes no sense out of context.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 24 2014 11:20 bumatlarge wrote:I gathered up all the votes so they are easier to read. If we are going to have it influence the lynch today, then we need to set in stone exactly what happened. This is pretty raw, so I'll spoil it if you need the reference. + Show Spoiler +suki > kush (1)
kush > suki (1)
thrawn > kush (2)
rayn > thrawn (1)
Jlaw > VE (1)
-rayn, rayn > Wile (1)
-thrawn
-suki, suki > VE (2)
VE > Wile (2)
-rayn
rayn > bum (1)
-VE, VE > bum (2)
-kush, kush > balla (1)
thrawn > kush (1)
bum > VE (3)
-Jlaw
-rayn, rayn > kush (2)
JLaw > balla (2)
-kush
Zare > VE (3)
Art > rayn (1)
kush > bum (2)
-Jlaw, Jlaw > kush (3)
Bar > zar (1)
-suki, suki >zar (2)
-VE, VE > balla (1)
-rayn
Rayn > cross (1)
-rayn, rayn > zar (3)
-VE, VE > bum (2)
-bum
-wile(?), wile > cross (2)
[red]balla > cross (3)
zar > bum (3)
-suki, suki > bum (4)
-thrawn
-JLaw, JLaw > zar (3)
-balla, balla > zar (4)
-art, Art > zar (5)
bum > zar (6)
-suki, suki > zar (7)
-zar, zar > cross (3)
VOTE FRENZY BEGINS
-rayn
-art, art > kush (1)
rayn > kush (2)
-suki
suki > bar (1)
-bum, bum > kush (3)
thrawn > kush (4)
(at this point kush (4) has surpassed Zar in votes.)
-bar
-Jlaw, Jlaw > kush (5)
-suki, suki > kush (6)
-thrawn
DOUBLE TIME
-rayn, rayn > balla (1)
Cross > balla (2)
thrawn > balla (3)
-kush, kush > balla (4)
(Kush (4) vs balla (4))
-Jlaw, jlaw > balla (5)
(Kush (3) vs balla (5))
-suki, suki > balla (6)
bar > balla (7) JLaw: I was pushing VE, unvoted VE while I was still fighting him an voted [red]balla. Could have stayed on VE when JLaw said he thought I was town, but opted not to. Again, he had mentioned during the kush lynch that he would rather lynch balla, and did switch at a key time. Some of that a scum might do but not all of it. I think we can safely assume JLaw is not scum based on voting. Bum, Artanis, VE, Zarepath and WileSlam are the only people not voting for balla. Suki and Barristan are arguable because they came on to the vote after one surpassed the other. Kush is debatable as well, since a scum in his position has no reason not to vote his teammate when he is the alternative. Only VE and Wile did not vote in the time Zar calimed until the lynch. I don't believe Wile was present, and I do believe VE genuinely didn't have time to read the votes based on his post. I would like it if both these players gave their thoughts on the lynch. I'd encourage everyone to read the filters of the last three to make your own read on them, because I believe we should lynch one of them. There has to be at least one mafia there. I'm fairly certain I've explained my situation, but I can answer any details people want to look into. Artanis has a really bad track record with the voting. He steered the train off Zarepath and on to kush, which was quite noble, but it would be the right play if they were both mafia. He clearly did not want to lynch balla. And his vote on zarepath was weak as well. Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 04:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:##UnvoteTime to 180 on my read on Rayn. On January 22 2014 02:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 22 2014 02:29 suki wrote:
This game is stupid because there's been so much tunneling, despite there being so much activity. It's like everyone decided 'hey lets just be anti-town and focus on one person and not comment on anything else'. Zarepath (on VE), Balla (on Crossfire), Bumatlarge (VE and maybe rayn), Artanis (rayn), Barristan (Zarepath), Thrawn (kush). Crossfire and WileE are ridiculously quiet as well. That's over half the players in the game. Yes, exactly this. Me, you and maybe VE are the only one's who actually comment on more than just one or two things (i don't countt kush bvecause he doesn't really explain anything - but he is still probably town - LOOK THRAWN, I HAVE A CONCLUSION!). Artanis - Balla both weird. Another interesting thing, Balla calls out Crossfire for making a case on me,why not call out Artanis out for voting for me with basically no reasoning? As i said i see Artanis' posts as townie, i can get the logic. I don't like how he has done pretty much nothing at all. I still want to lynch zarepath. seriously everything he says contradicts what he did a post before. When I first pointed out the reason for my suspicion he considered it completely idiotic. The way I've posted about him, no one would blame him for being suspicious of me or even calling for my head. Town sentiment has been against me as well, yet he gets where I'm coming from. Zare looks scummy as shit. Rayn's already said it all but calling VE town then calling him scum for it later is an obvious tell. ##vote ZarepathI'm also still interested in Kush. VE's looking better. The way he articulates his thoughts on Bum makes me feel better on him. Rather than mercilessly ragging on him it feels like he's trying to convey his thought process as clearly as possible. Kush, especially if Zare flips scum is of interest to me. He's never really given much explanation to his votes. Even though that's not customary of Kush in general, he's shown resistance to explaining even when pressed which I don't feel is his townie persona. His suspicions just follow general thread sentiment other than Zarepath, in which he's contrarian without explaining much about it at all. Could lynch. He has a bit of foresight present here, but Zarepath was at 5 here, which makes his vote a null tell. Zarepath, after managing to swing the vote away from him with his claim, did not put his vote anywhere useful. His vote on cross is similar to artanis' vote on kush, except a lot less telling. I also think it is highly likely that he is lying. A Blue VT claim is fairly safe for at least one mafia to make, especially one about to die, and mafia might have to challenge a DT later. I think the possibility of Artanis and Zarepath as the last two scum is good. But I'm the third man in that boat, so sink it anyway.
and this was the game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/441091-normal-mini-mafia-episode-i
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On February 28 2016 14:31 sicklucker wrote:
sure but I was asking why he did
Using kush as a benchmark is a recipe for disaster. I'll be around for the foreseeable future if anyone has more questions. I should probably explain my reads in the meantime. I'm gonna try to sleep for a few hours if I'm lucky and wake up early. Should give this day enough time.
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It had to have been LS.
There's no other way yesterday could have happened the way it did if it wasn't, especially with a votecount like that.
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I think that's mostly irrelevant at this point though.
Meh.
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I'm not so sure if it was ls, if it was I'm sort of proud of him for ruining his meta if that makes sense.
Like Obi what do you think of shape wanting to jump off Rels right when Rels starts gaining momentum? I went after him a few posts and sort of felt like a bully but it was interesting.
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On February 28 2016 23:47 Damdred wrote:
I'm not so sure if it was ls, if it was I'm sort of proud of him for ruining his meta if that makes sense.
Like Obi what do you think of shape wanting to jump off Rels right when Rels starts gaining momentum? I went after him a few posts and sort of felt like a bully but it was interesting.
He stayed on Rels until the very end - unless you think that he's scum running his own guy up to L-1 just for creds in case he flips and mafia is down 2-0 when it comes to the bum cell it's a moot point.
Do you have some sort of opinion on it or nah?
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I do have an opinion but he didn't stay on Rels the entire time when I moved to Rels he invited right before and I pressured him why he unvoted.
I didn't like him saying he didn't think he could help get Rels lynched or the reasoning he invited Rels.
ATM he could be the scum in our cell. And if most of the scum team is making sure Darth is lynched and most afk Its unlikely Rels ever gets lynched.
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Did he?
I need to reread that section then. One sec.
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I saw it.
I'm not sure what to make of it without the Rels flip.
I still think it's kind of out there to expect Rels to be scum here with the vote as close as it was though. That cell was so important for mafia considering what a wash cells 1 and 3 are.
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That's true to some degree unless the Rels wagon wasn't expected to pick up steam I guess?
But I don't think it's pertinent for right now.
Ritoky says it could be kush, do you think it might be?
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I think it's bum - my opinion hasn't really changed much since the game started because bum has remained an entirely irrelevant entity since Day 0.
I don't think that what ritoky is saying is wrong but I still don't think kush is mafia.
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Dude, I would eat a hat if it's kush. Kush is a wreck as scum, when he's coherently aggressive with very simple posts but it's straight forward. Hes not exactly reliable for his spot on reads but he'll get on your ass if he thinks you're slacking. He keeps bothering me, and I thought he was pretty on point with darth. Darth was defensive N0 and every day after. Can't fault people to read that as scummy
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On February 29 2016 02:21 bumatlarge wrote:
Dude, I would eat a hat if it's kush. Kush is a wreck as scum, While as town he's coherently aggressive with very simple posts but it's straight forward. Hes not exactly reliable for his spot on reads but he'll get on your ass if he thinks you're slacking. He keeps bothering me, and I thought he was pretty on point with darth. Darth was defensive N0 and every day after. Can't fault people to read that as scummy
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Wagon analysis is an awful idea, I already wasnt sure between LS and rels yesterday and if you were on darth and hence awful you should just keep your hands off that topic.
Bum's efforts are cute and all but since I survived the grand total of one games as mafia without being lynched, as you can look up in the database, and in my opinion already proved my townieness by not being straight autopiloting on darth as I think the first to do so, and by not being lazy when I had literally no reason to be active yesterday and unnecessary activity is just what I'm incapable of as mafia.
So you should just give up trying to lynch me bum.
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Bum why are you relying on super old meta?
It's like you are townreadng me too easily so you can say well vivax scum by poe and not have to do anything
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On February 29 2016 03:54 nooniansoong wrote:
Bum why are you relying on super old meta?
It's like you are townreadng me too easily so you can say well vivax scum by poe and not have to do anything
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On February 25 2016 04:55 bumatlarge wrote:I don't see a huge difference between VA and Breshke, other then VA has posted this: Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 00:27 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 25 2016 00:23 Rels wrote:On February 25 2016 00:21 VayneAuthority wrote:
iim just waiting for ritoky to 50/50 this thing I dont feel like analyzing this shit if i have a 33% of being removed from the game immediately Your gut reads on FF and Breshke ? breshke scum my updated list is breshke, darthfoley, vivax, obi, SL ...and Breshke has not. He's been filtering past games(?) of his cellmates, but that will not help a ton at the start of a game unless there are some serious meta patterns. Doubtful. He hasn't remarked on anyone outside his cell and it's important that he does. We want FF and Breshke to do the same VA, and we want them all to go a bit more in depth about their lists before they leace the game. Still plenty of time.
@bum
in this post re you talk about the uselessness of using meta at the start of the game. But you go on to compare vayne's play to one of his towngames, 2 days in, a long time ago.
So if meta is useless why do you use it?
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LS yelling makes him a townie is horseshit, but otherwise I don't see him being the scum in this cell.
why not? Previously you expressed doubts about LS because he made a confirmed town ragequit.
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Bum
This is kind of a waste of time but whatever lol.
Day 2, Bum makes a hesitant scumread of vayne ,a hesitant townread of breshke, and votes breshke. He makes it clear that he really wants to switch to voting vayne if breshke comes back from afk. So his vote does not match his words, and the mafia motivation to save scum is clear.
Vayne is scum because he hasn't posted as townie as townie as he did in 1 post from a game a long time ago, 2 days into the game:
On February 25 2016 15:02 bumatlarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +VayneAuthorityThese are all his reads, and I wouldn't call them reads, more like gut feelings, because there isn't much explanation anywhere. + Show Spoiler +On February 23 2016 09:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
vivax and breshke mafia On February 23 2016 12:12 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2016 11:56 ritoky wrote:On February 23 2016 11:38 Damdred wrote:
Ritoky do you have any town reads or scum reads here?
I didn't like sls entrance but idk I wouldn't want your cell up early in either instance. But I don't think for SL it was necessarily scummy just a shitty excuse i was mildkly okay with OWS's entrance cuz of his confidence level. basically said "i can shit enough town and i can read damdred well enough that my cell is cake". kush feels town for now darth doesn't seem like town darth right now, he typed a big post and none of it was about the current game. SL was underwhelming on his entrance. VA did the town VA thing, but i kinda told him that meta read last time we played so he could easily be emulating it you overestimate my memory, barely remember what happened in that game but dont worry ill solve the game right now SL Obi Rels breshke vivax badabing On February 25 2016 00:27 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 00:23 Rels wrote:On February 25 2016 00:21 VayneAuthority wrote:
iim just waiting for ritoky to 50/50 this thing I dont feel like analyzing this shit if i have a 33% of being removed from the game immediately Your gut reads on FF and Breshke ? breshke scum my updated list is breshke, darthfoley, vivax, obi, SL On February 25 2016 05:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
its not coincidence that all the people i have as scum are voting me, its because they are scum lol The only posts that go into further detail are something about me playing a game 8 years ago and confusing me with someone, which is far from scummy. At least he went through the effort of looking at a past game of mine. And then one more post: On February 25 2016 04:58 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 04:53 darthfoley wrote:On February 25 2016 03:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
I work in an ENT office so i have very random internet access/downtime, so yea.
but anyways darthfoley looks even worse now, might be able to go 2-0 here. Why do I look worse for saying, "I don't know why people are town reading FF after looking at his filter" I found and still find his filter super underwhelming. It was at max null for me. I also don't know why this doesn't make Rels look worse for you, considering he basically drew the same conclusion as me regarding FF--> kinda useless, null or scum lean. @Shapelog... Not sure what i'm supposed to say to you having a "weird" vibe from my #640 post. @Rels I still think your "VA is being aggressive" line is bullshit. Your explanation was basically just him throwing a few names out early. How is that aggressive when there's NO explanation? I guess Kush plays every game aggressive then because of his random scum list 1.1 1.2 lists. Aggressively implies that he's pushing his reads. He's done no pushing, and seems very happy with me being scum read, stating over and over how great it's going to be when "we go up 2-0" we = ??? The VA town I've played with in Unoriginal didn't do much D1 and came out with a blockbuster read post that completely read my scum play, with reasoning and all. He just seems more willing to go with the flow in this game, which isn't how he played last time. His play reminds me more of the Star Wars scum game I played with him. I find it ironic that i'm playing pretty much EXACTLY how I played Star Wars D1 last game and was universally (correctly) town read for it, but here all of a sudden everyone scum reads me. I was sort of a devil's advocate in Star Wars because I really didn't like the way the Palmar wagon was shaping up. It was basically one wagon with no alternative and everyone was jumping on; I feel similarly regarding Breshke and VA right now. Everyone scum reading the same person, especially in a game with 5!!!! scum, makes me suuuuper uneasy. @Shapelog Meta reading me in Newbie vs. this game is completely different. This is themed, and I'm playing with much better and more experienced players. I am playing a similar game compared to Star Wars: I am willing to sheep people who are better at the game and I have read town, but I am also willing to point out logical inconsistencies and uneasy wagons when I see them. Maybe Breshke is scum who has just gone AFK or whatever and people are trying to jump on him and get town cred, but it makes no sense for scum!darthfoley to be the only one willing to defend/challenge conventional wisdom. you look worse for defending breshke and I now know 100% that breshke is scum, simple as that. Thats why you now look worse. dunno what tangent you were even going off on Which is simply him connecting Breshke and darthfoley. There is an incredibly meager line that differentiates VA and Breshke. VA is capable of giving so much more. I liked this post in a previous town game that was roughly 2-3 days after the game started. On May 08 2013 01:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
Second part Analysis of Targe
So, tonight the mafia killed somebody that pretty much nobody expected of being mafia which was interesting and raises some questions. Which of the 2 of Sugarfluff, targe, nobodywonder, and espi.casey is scum? which of Me, calgar, shirokami, and spicydinosaur is scum? If I had to guess this would be the distribution the mafia went with, 2 on the townie lynch and one in no man's land.
Jampi suspected both Targe and Espi.casey before he died, so we have to wonder if this a red herring or are these 2 really mafia? it's hard to tell. Targe was on the Jarjar lynch since the beginning, while espi jumped to it last second. This could be Targe being a sneaky mafia and carefully leading a wrong lynch, or it simply could be a townie that got a wrong read.
Probably my biggest reason for suspecting Targe right now is that I like to pinpoint a certain player in the beginning and see how they react. Much like in courts, you'll see the psychological reaction of some one that did not commit a crime and is being tried unfairly be angry/upset, while those that have committed the crime tend to be more lax and unemotional.
This has served me well in previous mafia games, where mafia will tend to just kind of semi-ignore your accusations and be pretty friendly about it as Targe has been doing.
Another reason I have for suspecting him is that he is very adamant throughout about jampi being town, and then jampi shows up as dead the first night....this fixation did not go unnoticed and was the reason I needed to see the night killing before posting this.
For the above reasons, I will be voting either Targe or Espi.casey tonight.
Something like that would make me feel better about him HINT HINT @ VA So! -If VA posts anything beyond this and Breshke does not, I'd feel better about Breshke being lynched. -If Breshke makes a pretty substantial list of reads WITH REASONS, and regardless of whether VA does or does not build on what his "gut feelings", I would look closely on their most recent posts to gauge things. I'm putting my vote on Breshke. I think Australia has had enough time to give us anything. I'll try to pick at what's been posted so far by Brush. On that note On February 25 2016 03:35 ritoky wrote:basically this is where i am at: 1) i know from recent experience with him that breshke doesn't like being mafia as much as he likes being town 2) breshke has invested less in this game than basically any game he has played in years, which may be alignment indicative 3) breshke has done nothing for me to TR him, and nothing in general 4) VA did his town meta thing
5) VA sounds dickish/obstinate, which is how he sounds more often as town. as opposed to when he is all friendly and shit as mafia like here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?user=VayneAuthoritythus breshke i think breshke is currently the scum Based on what I've read in recent games, I don't get what this could possibly be, unless its making lists with no reasons. I must have missed that meta-call.
Here is his townread of breshke. Breshke is town because of
1 hard work (ok reason)
2 called vayne scum and ff town, which wasn't contradicted by the 50/50. (this reason is really bad because town could have just as easily been wrong or right after the 50/50)
On February 25 2016 15:21 bumatlarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Breshke (gonna call him B because I'm lazy)There are 2 keys to B 1) He hasn't made a read outside of his cell. Not sure if anyone told him, but we are going to know his and VAs alignment after this day, so it's worth knowing their thoughts. 2) He has what I like to call the newbie button. All you have to do is hold 'shift' and then press the '/' key after every sentence. And then you can say what you want? 'Bum is scum?' looks a lot more mild then 'Bum is scum.' This is one of his better posts. On February 24 2016 08:35 Breshke wrote:Damdred are you still here? This is a lot harder than i thought it would be. Currently after my brief skims through VA and FF's filter I havn't actually found anything scummy from either of them. I think VA is the scum though purely from the fact that this looks exactly like what I remember from FF and i've only ever played with him as town iirc. His posts seem totally carefree and there is the random posts that do not relate to the game whatsoever. I will look through his recent scumgames though and see if it's any different.Show nested quote +On February 23 2016 12:12 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 23 2016 11:56 ritoky wrote:On February 23 2016 11:38 Damdred wrote:
Ritoky do you have any town reads or scum reads here?
I didn't like sls entrance but idk I wouldn't want your cell up early in either instance. But I don't think for SL it was necessarily scummy just a shitty excuse i was mildkly okay with OWS's entrance cuz of his confidence level. basically said "i can shit enough town and i can read damdred well enough that my cell is cake". kush feels town for now darth doesn't seem like town darth right now, he typed a big post and none of it was about the current game. SL was underwhelming on his entrance. VA did the town VA thing, but i kinda told him that meta read last time we played so he could easily be emulating it you overestimate my memory, barely remember what happened in that game but dont worry ill solve the game right now SL Obi Rels breshke vivax badabing I know this was at the start of the game but do you remember reasons for this list? Aside from him not delivering about VA's past games, and hitting the newbie button so as to avoid all confrontation, he was pretty much on the money. From his point of view, he called FF town and VA scum, and the 50/50 confirms that for him. He either got lucky or made a call he wasn't afraid of. GOOD JOB BRESHKE. On February 24 2016 09:01 Breshke wrote:
mmmm it's really difficult that your scum games are 2/3 smurf games.
Just from a skim of your wartrukk game it is very obvious that you played far more seriously. There was still some moments of idgaf but I can see how they made less sense. Not really sure how to explain that.
Im not sure how much I can attribute this to your scum game or weather it is you trying not to out your smurf though. Would you say you were actively trying to hide your identity that game FF?
I'm having trouble finding pyp even though i played in it fml Oh, he did follow up on filtering VA. And he even went through smurfs. I would never do that, that sounds like work. More question marks, and even self-deprecation. + Show Spoiler +[M][N] [W] Newbie LVIII - Disney Princess Mafia Town Vanilla Town Killed Night 2
[W] Newbie Mini Mafia LIX Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 3
[M][N] Campus Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 4
[S] Student Mafia IV Town Vanilla Survived Day 6
[M][N] Metal Mini Mafia! Mafia Vanilla Killed Night 1
[M][N] New Years Eve Party Mini Mafia Mafia Roleblocker Killed Night 2
[S] Student Mafia V Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 4
[M][N] Horn of Africa Mini Mafia Town Vigilante Survived Day 3
[T] Jack of All Trades Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Night 3
[N] TL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy Town Vanilla Lynched Day 5
[M][N] Noir Mini Mafia: Chapter 3 Town Vanilla Survived Day 3
[T] Hajime no Ippo Maifa Town Hama Dankichi Lynched Day 7
[S] Newbie Student Mafia VII Town Veteran Endgamed Day 3
[S] Newbie Student Mafia X Town Mason Killed Night 2
[M][T] Witchcraft Mini Mafia III Town Acolyte Survived Night 2
[N] Mafia in the Himalayas Town Vanilla Killed Night 2
[N] TL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden Town 1-shot Jailkeeper Killed Night 5
[S] Newbie Student Mafia XIII Town Vanilla Survived Day 4
[T] The New Personality Mafia Town Raynpelikoneet Killed Night 4
[S] Newbie Student Mafia XIV: Firefly Town Doctor Killed Night 3
[S] Newbie Student Mafia XVII: Fullmetal Edition Mafia Roleblocker Lynched Day 2 You got 20+ games under your belt son, you can't hide behind ? forever! On February 24 2016 11:57 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 09:41 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure that's true Breshke, if you exclude him for tone do you think any other tonal things in his openers or how he posts line up? Even if the circumstances are different we still have some of the same tells.
@LS , what do you think of the point I made about Breshke thinking about the 50/50? And who are you scum leaningok atm? mm you are right, especially considering he says he wasn't trying to hide his smurf I just haven't really done tone reads before. From the scum games I looked at I think that FF as scum is a bit more focused on the game. He makes far less fluff posts and when he does i feel they are still half related to the game and solving it or making excuses for himself. Like i said before it isn't like that this game he is more care free and unfocused And the last relevant post. Again on the money before the 50/50 happened. Where are you dude? This would be a bad cell to lose. By the way, here is the game I took VA's previous post from. If there are better ones to go off of, I'd be easily swayed.
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