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Alright, let's talk about shape, who I will be voting for D2 if possible.
General themes of his play are large bodies of text that end up saying <= 1 thing. Most content he's put out is elaborate recaps or joking around. He's posted a few list posts but I'll go in to why those are not very good either.
On December 15 2015 10:30 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 09:59 LightningStrike wrote:
Shape can you give me your thoughts cleary now that you did sleep?
Sure. At least i can try too. I do it in a list too. I love lists for the most part. GigyaS: Null for the most part. Waiting for him to get back from studying and what not. The few posts he has posted have been decent (more towards the begaining of the day.) Still waiting for his response about me (i'm selfish) (nvm TT responded) Koshi: Improved, I wouldn't mind putting him as town atm. Hasn't done anything scummy (some light stuff at the beginning, but that about it.) But i think he should build a circle of love. Rels: I gotten a Town vibe from him, But not enough really. His LS push felt townie since for the most part it was out the window. Gotten to read D1 from dark tourney, not sure 100% yet about the whole thing yet. Tubesock: 2 posts, but 1st post was ok. Waiting to see more. GB: No Clue Vivax: MIA Surkit: Aggressive, pushes for little to no reasons. Getting a scummy feel off of him. Also involves Koshi when i point him out about TT and how I didn't push Koshi when he did and what not. I mean he's ping ponging from person from person, never really staying on a person except Koshi. Now is on me. Would be in head for 1st day lynch. Kush: Null for now. Pretty sure GB said he was scummy; Don't agree with GB but i not defending Kush. Shapelog: About to get drunk for no good reason. TT: Don't really have a full blown case on him. wished he didn't defend damred earlier on but still. Seems concern about the game. Kinda had a scummy lean/feel on him, mostly from my gut. Gut is where my shit is, so this may be shit. Ritoky: Called me town, defended(ish) me as town. Then left. Do not know why he is doing this. I mean i like it sense I am town. Maybe he really likes my plays or something, idc/idk. LS: Town vibe, rereading dark tourment. Rels did bring a good point thou. However, still like his early game and his jokingness. Also Yelling about voting seems about right. Damred: Null leaning town, most posts are NAI but time is telling. Mostly i'm just waiting. except for Surkit. Shall rethink in shower
Overall, a pointless post. Pretty much all null reads, but there's a slight contradiction in that he has a town lean on Damdred but wishes TT didn't defend him earlier (referring to my two posts asking questions that weren't because of suspicions at Damdred).
On December 16 2015 02:45 Shapelog wrote:
(damm i didn't know tab enters text lol)
But I left this off from far fetch theory:
At ##342, he said i was confirmed town. Not maybe, or very, Confirmed. Does this not bother anyone. I mean idk why i fighting against this so hard. But then again, everyone said I was town/thought i was townish at the beginning and i just went on posting garbage tbh. I haven't posted anything uber townie. But he ranks me higher then Koshi? Weird.
Then when someone asks why he is defending me, its "next level thinking" response. Why not explain what so next level about it? Why is that only convinced thought? That derps is Town and not NAI? I mean i love the free town read, but it suspicious to me.
This was the post he was referring to:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2015 13:56 ritoky wrote:
too many people don't have an opinion on who is mafia. too many null reads. everyone should call someone mafia in their next post and stop wasting time pussyfooting. the time for your pointless shitty information gathering questions is past; form some opinions and stop being less useful than me.
shape is town
kush is probably town
not interested in lynching koshi
not interested in lynching damdred
not interested in lynching rels
no girls in the game so dunno LS alignment
tt is probably mafia
gb is underwhelming and should be a potential vote
gig does the whole not delivering on promises shit
every1 else is nai or unremarkable
##vote: glowingbear
i am voting on you to piss you off so that you can shit town on me and then i can lynch tt at the eod. please stop being worse than me, cuz if you're worse than me you're probably mafia.
As you can see, no confirmed anywhere in that sentence. I pointed out earlier and he blames this on a misread of the situation and quickly backs off. Then he posts this crazy elaborate theory that he then debunks in the same post, posts it anyway, and keeps Rit under his scum leans anyway. It just feels weird that twice now he's come up for reasons to lynch the same person for awful reasons, both of which he hides under calling them far-fetched theories in the same post that he puts them up. To me, it is at worst a scummate trying to bus a teammate for credit, or at best someone trying to appear active by posting theories that end up saying nothing by the end of the same post.
And then we get his thoughts on around GB/kush:
#450/451, doesn't feel good about kush or TT lynch, likes the idea of offing GB for inactivity
+ Show Spoiler +On December 16 2015 03:16 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 03:00 Koshi wrote:
Fuck that shit. I am going to calm down and read. I really think Onegu should just be lynched for being the dumbest fucker alive who appears to also be mafia but seriously.
I felt really good about my TT, GB, Kush and Rels list earlier. I only feel good about GB. inactive for the most part, and anyone can get drunk. But not always at the right time. Seemed he entered when it was beneficial. On December 16 2015 03:20 Shapelog wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2015 23:01 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 16:02 Tubesock wrote:On December 15 2015 15:55 GlowingBear wrote:On December 15 2015 15:53 Tubesock wrote:On December 15 2015 15:47 GlowingBear wrote:On December 15 2015 15:16 Tubesock wrote:
GB who do you want to lynch?
GiygaS anything new in your notes? Who do you want to lynch? Drunk senses say we should lynxh Koshi Don't get me wrong, my best theories were drunk theories but Koshimizu doesn't seem mafia at all. What makes you think so? My drunk senses are like the spider senses of Spider-Man . They don't have trasons. Reasons. They feel So basically, so far this game you are only interested in smurf hunting (which is over). Are you going to contribute at all? I've seen nothing suspicious and worth of contributing. I won't force a read I don't have. What I do have is a town read on shapelog, he seems fairly townie to me because he drops every single thought he has on the thread, and a lot of them are paranoia, which looks townie. Other than that, nothing seems really relevant. I will do a re read once I can, but today I work until deadline. Let's see if I will be able (i'm spoiling this because of my filter is almost at 4 pages) This feels weird. Its like, "I have nothing and that's about it". He comments on me, then states he won't be here. It's almost like he skating by. Might be work, but if I say that everytime no one is getting lynched lol. Interested to see what happens when he rereads.
#469 Votes TT (first contradiction). Reasoning is just parroting. Notable quote: "I been having a scummy feel off of him and hoping he would pick up but he hasn't" (If 18 posts his opinion on TT was changed)
+ Show Spoiler +On December 16 2015 04:18 Shapelog wrote:
Then lets fix this.
We have a TT which is different from Haunted mafia. Onegu had a post about TT awhile ago. Koshi asked GB his ideas about TT. He seems different from it too IMO. I been having a scummy feel off of him and hoping he would pick up but he hasn't
##Vote Ticktock
And who knows Koshi. With step-up being random, someone might be Sugar fairy and heal.
#541/542 Scum list now in order is kush, tt at the top. He's pulled a comeplete 180 in his scum-list, and for seemingly no reason other than sheeping. Mentions "Oh yeah and GB  " in next post, but somehow he's dropped to position 5, underneath Rit. Please remember that this is between far-fetched theory #1 and far-fetched-theory #2, and before GB comes back at 551, so "he became more active" is not an excuse.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 16 2015 06:44 Shapelog wrote:
Right now i'm tore on TT. One hand i want to lynch him because earlier stuff. On the other hand, these last minute posts kinda influenced me. Might lynch someone else to see his D2 and go from there.
Right now my lynch list (from high to low): Kush (nothing from him), TT and damred, Rit? On December 16 2015 06:44 Shapelog wrote:Oh yeah and GB
582é613 wants to lynch kush because he's a lurker. Has reasons for others, but kush is at the top of the list, purely for lurking. He explains this later saying that it's because of kush's meta, but remember this in a second.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 16 2015 06:59 Shapelog wrote:Alright everyone we were going to lynch showed up except Kush. TT + Show Spoiler +I am not confinde in him yet. I unvoted so i could hear his agurment against Rik. Not sure about him, i been having a scummy/null feeling about him. His posts when he came back i admit feels rushed, But might be because he felt pressure from lynch? idk, but he starting to look like he did in Haunted mason Damred + Show Spoiler +GB + Show Spoiler +Again RL stuff. However, weaker case vs Damred because he had sunday to post and his posts seems lackluster. Might just be him on D1 who knows I say if Kush doesn't come we lynch him On December 16 2015 07:29 Shapelog wrote:
Well something came up so i won't be here till 8 ish.
##Vote:Kush
Voting kush due to lurking and guess what hes lurking. Meta read though, just best right now for me.
And now he thinks kush is scum because he has a "gut hard read" that he's scum. Completely abandoning his prior reasoning.
Anyway, I'm off to the library so I'll be around on mobile for 30 minutes, then I'll be gone until at least EoN.
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EBWOP: #582/613, damn french keyboard switching.
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Oh should be mentionned that GB and lush are at the top of the list for inactivity but they were far from most inactive in the game at those points.
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God that post from Giyga Khan just showed me how horribly I've been played.
About Gb list. When i typed "oh yeah Gb " I didn't mean to put in the the list at last. And i also forgot about vivax at the time. Gut read on kush is also based off his Dark tournament feed. comparing that game to this, he was more lurker and less helpful. Everything else makes sense, I am contradictioning bastard . (also this is my last post for the day because I have ran out.) I like this post from Giyga Khan too. Prob. will try to do better tomorrow.
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Let's be honest here I am neither invested currently in the game and I'm not as interested in becoming so after the couple of days I've had.
However I will put some form of concerted effort forward to uphold my reputation. And to the person who say damdred is always scum if he's alive after d4 I hate to tell you this I don't have a very good record of being shot for some reason.
Also calling my try to shenanigan away from the current lymch brain dead is incorrect. I have been in plenty of moves that take less time than 4 minutes sometimes 50 seconds is all you need especially with a full game.
However rels what question am I missing or have missed?
Vivax is obvious scum at this point or at least should be ashwd of himaelf if town.
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After thought I should also mention that the shenanigans yesterday only really mean anything if kush is scum, and that TT and Sanders should be equally implicated, as the mid lynch wouldn't have happened without both. TT looks worse imo based on him wasting the vote and then hammering with little time left.
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On December 17 2015 00:09 Rels wrote:This TS case on me means he's probably scum. He listed a bunch of reasons that don't make me scum; two of which are so obviously NAI that if he had thought about them for 10 seconds he wouldn't have writtent them; and the first reason doesn't make sense. + Show Spoiler +On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does. You semi townread LS for the exact reason I do. But for some reason it makes me scum because "town Rels doesn't back off fights". Well, I don't often back down fights as either alignements, as you should know since apparently you read one of my scum game. So I have two problems with town!you believing the above: - Scumreading me for townreading LS based on a caps post; but at the same time half townreading LS for said post - Saying me backing off fights is my scum meta when you say you've read a scum game of mine Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games. Are you insinuating I'm scum with Onegu ? 'cause that is the only way I could had "cheated" on that; if I was scum and he was town, I wouldn't have an easier way to find the info than if I was town. If the answer is YES; it's inconsistent with your Onegu townread, so I won't consider it. If the answer is NO; as proved above, this is not alignement indicative. So you wrote something that look good but has no impact of my alignement in a series a reason as to why I am scum. Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one). What are you talking about, and why is this not in the LS explanation ? Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 23:06 RtaniSoul wrote:
After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's. 1 - even if it was true, so ? 2 - you coincidentally forgets that I was OK lynching TT until he looked better at EOD. Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately. I've said what I thought. You agree with the facts as seen by your part on Damdred, you kinda disagree with the conclusion. I don't see how I can be opportunistic when you don't find Damdred town; please show me where I'm opportunistic BTW. Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read. If both GB and kush are town, scum are more likely to not care about the lynch. Me pushing more for kush doesn't make me town, but it clearly doesn't make me scum either. Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy. Yep. I can be mafia and I can not be. So that is another NAI point in your case, that you say is NAI.
The caps lock reasons are pure teasing you. What you are saying is that I am also solely TRing Koshi because he had 1 post near EOD that was all caps lock. That's silly. I am most definitely NOT TRing LS because he had half a post that was caps. But I did want to check it. First I saw he didn't use it as scum but then I wondered if he did as town. So, I checked that too. I still think it's a silly reason so I made fun of you for it. For the record I TR LS for his comfortable tone and he has a bigger filter than I think mafiaLS would. I may have stated before but for LS I don't pay too much attention until D2.5/3 because then he is OBVIOUS. His caps lock statement was NAI. Even though he hasn't done it in his 4 scum games, I think he's entirely capable of it. So it's NAI, but apparently for you it overcomes a SHOCKING difference.
The time it took me to do the above made me think how long it would have taken me to find out Sukrit's identity. I'm more curious to hear how you did it. It would take me days so there must be a trick. But the point is you spent time on smurf hunting rather than solving the game while you are not being active. When I have lots of time to solve the game then smurf hunting is fine, but you haven't been that active so you are wasting that limited resource on smurf hunting? Really? At least it wasn't blue hunting so there's that but still.
yeah, you were OK with lynching TT. TT who had heat on him from several of the town leaders. Way to stick your neck out and make a bold read. I don't think townRels backs down from any fight. I think mafiaRels may or may not back down. Your targets were LS, GiygaS, me, TicTock, and lackluster Damdred. Damdred is the only one in that list that wouldn't qualify as an easy target and that's purely based on reputation. Then you vote completely null Kush. you didn't want to put in the work for getting one of your targets lynched. You took the easy way. I think townRels would have done more.
I don't think you cared about the lynch. I'll concede it's possible confirmation bias but the tone I read in your 3-4 posts "hey guys GB might be bad lynch" is just acting. I don't think you cared at all. Now the important information we need to use this indifference is both GB's and Kush's alignment. If Kush is mafia then your indifference makes you town as mafiaRels would care and probably wouldn't be voting teammate Kush. BUT if Kush is town then indifference could be either and with everything else I think this piece sums you mafia. But we dont' know Kush's alignment yet.
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Ok so trying to hash out my read on Rit a bit better and I just can't seem to feel confident about him one way or the other.
He makes some solid points and shows some clear thinking, but then other times he talks about stuff like he's got some magic mind-meld read on people. The real issue I have with the mind meld stuff is it only works for Rit (as in will never change other people's minds because it's not based on something tangible) and we just have to take his work on those reads. Similarly I think it's kinda shit that he claims "Only girls have a 100% read on LS" which sounds kinda like he's just leaving himself room to change his read on LS.
I'm also finding Rit's EoD very lackluster. He was around and responding to some of my posts but other than that he only posts these 2 posts to push his own reads.
On December 16 2015 07:33 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 07:29 Shapelog wrote:
Well something came up so i won't be here till 8 ish.
##Vote:Kush
Voting kush due to lurking and guess what hes lurking. Meta read though, just best right now for me. kush is a bad vote imo
On December 16 2015 07:35 ritoky wrote:
the fact that the main proponent of kush's lynch (koochi) isn't even voting on kush and he has accumulated more votes than tt or gb did at any point disturbs me greatly. it probably means more likely mafia between gb and tt.
It looked like Kush was going to be the lynch right up until I voted and Damdred tried to Shenannie, but this was all Rit did to try and get the lynches he wanted (Myself or GB).
It's also pretty shit then how Rit attacks Damdred after EoD for getting GB lynched since GB was his preffered lynch.
On December 16 2015 08:10 ritoky wrote:
wtf was that damdred? a shennanie with 3 minutes left that you very quickly see and probably knew ahead of time wasn't happening and it hammers a town?
wat?
On December 16 2015 08:11 ritoky wrote:
tt did not hammer gb, damdred did. tt's vote is irrelevant due to kush reaching votes first. without damdred's unvote it is irrelevant.
Just feels out of place given Rit wanted to flip GB.
Also I must have missed this before, but I'm confused about Rit's read on Kush.
His reads post comes first but this was the post I missed:
On December 15 2015 19:24 ritoky wrote:
if you want me to write the why is kush potentially mafia book it would basically be: he makes good reads that are definitive at the proper time too frequently and probably is a result of extra information. i currently have a lack of desire to go down that rabbit hole cuz he called me town and too right thus scum isn't usually a good day 1 lunchable. also he did a game winning impression of me that i loved.
So Kush is potentially mafia, but Rit doesn't want to go down that rabbit hole due to Kush townreading him... I have no idea what the last bit is referring to. It's like he's leaving room for Kush to be mafia but gives a handwavy explanation why he doesn't want to push that. Feels really off especially since Rit goes off to defend Kush pretty hard at EoD.
Here we see Rit has Kush as his 2nd most town after Shape
On December 15 2015 13:56 ritoky wrote:
too many people don't have an opinion on who is mafia. too many null reads. everyone should call someone mafia in their next post and stop wasting time pussyfooting. the time for your pointless shitty information gathering questions is past; form some opinions and stop being less useful than me.
shape is town
kush is probably town
not interested in lynching koshi
not interested in lynching damdred
not interested in lynching rels
no girls in the game so dunno LS alignment
tt is probably mafia
gb is underwhelming and should be a potential vote
gig does the whole not delivering on promises shit
every1 else is nai or unremarkable
##vote: glowingbear
i am voting on you to piss you off so that you can shit town on me and then i can lynch tt at the eod. please stop being worse than me, cuz if you're worse than me you're probably mafia.
He even explains this read to me and defends it when Rels is asking about it
kush - had the tr on me at the right time, had the gb read at the right time, told koochi to go fuck himself.
On December 15 2015 19:35 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 19:31 Rels wrote:On December 15 2015 19:24 ritoky wrote:
if you want me to write the why is kush potentially mafia book it would basically be: he makes good reads that are definitive at the proper time too frequently and probably is a result of extra information. i currently have a lack of desire to go down that rabbit hole cuz he called me town and too right thus scum isn't usually a good day 1 lunchable. also he did a game winning impression of me that i loved. The only townread he posted was on you being obviously town, what do you mean he's right "too frequently" ? Do you think his reason for townreading you ("his long post where he sounds paranoid") was bad ? hey rels, i wanna sell you a brand new car for only $500. + Show Spoiler +that's the read. let that blow your mind for an hour while i sleep for 40 minutes and get woken up again cuz babies don't like changes in their local environment and the oddly strong smell of lavender.
On December 15 2015 19:45 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 19:38 Rels wrote:On December 15 2015 19:35 ritoky wrote:On December 15 2015 19:31 Rels wrote:On December 15 2015 19:24 ritoky wrote:
if you want me to write the why is kush potentially mafia book it would basically be: he makes good reads that are definitive at the proper time too frequently and probably is a result of extra information. i currently have a lack of desire to go down that rabbit hole cuz he called me town and too right thus scum isn't usually a good day 1 lunchable. also he did a game winning impression of me that i loved. The only townread he posted was on you being obviously town, what do you mean he's right "too frequently" ? Do you think his reason for townreading you ("his long post where he sounds paranoid") was bad ? hey rels, i wanna sell you a brand new car for only $500. + Show Spoiler +that's the read. let that blow your mind for an hour while i sleep for 40 minutes and get woken up again cuz babies don't like changes in their local environment and the oddly strong smell of lavender. I don't understand one "he makes good reads that are definitive at the proper time too frequently" can refer to only one read ? gb, me, gigays, response to koochi. plz click filter b4 needling about pointless things.
I've already discussed the weird townread on Shape, and I saw shape make a big tinfoil case on Rit regarding it (need to read that better, only had time to skim it) so that is another point to consider here.
On the other hand Rit's push on me had some good explanations even if it's just making a big deal of me reevaluating my thoughts, and the way that he was interacting with me near EoD feels pretty geniune.
The first part looks very towny to me, especially the bolded:
On December 14 2015 18:14 ritoky wrote:
reasons: shape is town cuz he went derpies. mafia doesn't go derpies over a missed joke and mafia doesn't go derpies while not reading the setup/roles. shape went derpies over those things thus town.
i thought tt made same read as me, thus he is town. he then retracted his read so clearly he was not inside my brain lobe and is no longer town.
his retracted read gives a null read that is even-handed. it is horse shit. it treats shape's alignment less than 12 hours into the game as some dynamic puzzle or something. it just feels like forced fabricated gray goo; plus there's no point to it other than maybe he realized he is tring someone he can ml. you said you liked 1 post, do you really need that much explanation to downgrade to null? overexplainers anonymous released demographics recently and turns out 70% of members are mafia.
his questions don't feel like they are headed to conclusions
his response to kush is awkward; it feels like he wants to make a joke but wants to be srs. too considered of a response.
he pings lurkers, statistics have something to say about this and the propensity of it leading to mafia.
+ Show Spoiler +I still don't get why everyone blows up at me for thinking about NAI or null things out loud, but I guess I should learn to change that up. Last game GB and Vivax tunneled me the shit out of me D1 for a very similar post, here it is so you can compare for yourself. On November 25 2015 09:04 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 08:48 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2015 08:46 Chromatically wrote:On November 25 2015 08:43 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote:
I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that? ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense... Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him... lynch ff for sanity Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf? Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway.. lol.. Hmm? You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing. FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on? Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play. Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now.
He talks about his read on me again here:
On December 15 2015 19:24 ritoky wrote:
if you want me to write the why tt is potentially mafia book it would basically be: he tr shape for good reason (i thought) at proper time and when it was popular, then backed out of it for a bad/no reason when it was popular, was awkward, then has basically snap conceded/fucked off in the face of me wanting to lynch him.
The bolded line is not true iirc. I think Shape pointed this out at some point as well, but I was one of the first people to dislike Shapes early posting and the shit about "Snap conceded/fucked off" is obviously laughable now. So in this post Rit is inventing reasons to scum read me. While lining up one of his own townreads as a potential scum and is pushing a now confirmed townie.
I didn't even realize when I started anylizing that post how fucking shit it was. But now that I've looked over #393 pretty carefully I see Rit is pushing 3 mislynchs there while inventing reasons to push them.
I've seen Rit play rather strongly as mafia before in the Newbie game I ran, he is rather good at it. Look this shit over though I think Rit is a soild chance at scum here.
Which brings me up to 3-4 scum reads now in Gig/Rit/Vivax/ and maybe Kush.
I think I need to get back to solidifying my townreads because right now I think if we lynch out these people we win the game.
According to OP I can donate my posts
If a decent majority vote yes, I'm looking at 5 pages/filter per cycle, post donations (per Ver) up to 15 posts allowed per player. Filters allow us to keep track of this as has done past games.
This is the last of my time today as I have to head to my 2nd job soon. So I'm giving the rest of my posts to Shape.
##Donate 15 posts to Shapelog
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I realize that my train of thought got a little carried away last post, sorry for the change of pace halfway through.
Which brings me up to 3-4 scum reads now in Gig/Rit/Vivax/ and one of Kush.
Is not exactly where my reads are, Kush/Onegu/Tube are all more null than scum right now.
I'll do an updated list when I have time tonight.
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On December 17 2015 04:42 Damdred wrote:
Let's be honest here I am neither invested currently in the game and I'm not as interested in becoming so after the couple of days I've had.
However I will put some form of concerted effort forward to uphold my reputation. And to the person who say damdred is always scum if he's alive after d4 I hate to tell you this I don't have a very good record of being shot for some reason.
Also calling my try to shenanigan away from the current lymch brain dead is incorrect. I have been in plenty of moves that take less time than 4 minutes sometimes 50 seconds is all you need especially with a full game.
However rels what question am I missing or have missed?
Vivax is obvious scum at this point or at least should be ashwd of himaelf if town.
Can you go back to your post saying I had bullshit reasons and point out what are they ?
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On December 17 2015 05:07 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2015 00:09 Rels wrote:This TS case on me means he's probably scum. He listed a bunch of reasons that don't make me scum; two of which are so obviously NAI that if he had thought about them for 10 seconds he wouldn't have writtent them; and the first reason doesn't make sense. + Show Spoiler +On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does. You semi townread LS for the exact reason I do. But for some reason it makes me scum because "town Rels doesn't back off fights". Well, I don't often back down fights as either alignements, as you should know since apparently you read one of my scum game. So I have two problems with town!you believing the above: - Scumreading me for townreading LS based on a caps post; but at the same time half townreading LS for said post - Saying me backing off fights is my scum meta when you say you've read a scum game of mine On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games. Are you insinuating I'm scum with Onegu ? 'cause that is the only way I could had "cheated" on that; if I was scum and he was town, I wouldn't have an easier way to find the info than if I was town. If the answer is YES; it's inconsistent with your Onegu townread, so I won't consider it. If the answer is NO; as proved above, this is not alignement indicative. So you wrote something that look good but has no impact of my alignement in a series a reason as to why I am scum. On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one). What are you talking about, and why is this not in the LS explanation ? On December 16 2015 23:06 RtaniSoul wrote:
After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's. 1 - even if it was true, so ? 2 - you coincidentally forgets that I was OK lynching TT until he looked better at EOD. On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately. I've said what I thought. You agree with the facts as seen by your part on Damdred, you kinda disagree with the conclusion. I don't see how I can be opportunistic when you don't find Damdred town; please show me where I'm opportunistic BTW. On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read. If both GB and kush are town, scum are more likely to not care about the lynch. Me pushing more for kush doesn't make me town, but it clearly doesn't make me scum either. On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy. Yep. I can be mafia and I can not be. So that is another NAI point in your case, that you say is NAI. The caps lock reasons are pure teasing you. What you are saying is that I am also solely TRing Koshi because he had 1 post near EOD that was all caps lock. That's silly. I am most definitely NOT TRing LS because he had half a post that was caps. But I did want to check it. First I saw he didn't use it as scum but then I wondered if he did as town. So, I checked that too. I still think it's a silly reason so I made fun of you for it. For the record I TR LS for his comfortable tone and he has a bigger filter than I think mafiaLS would. I may have stated before but for LS I don't pay too much attention until D2.5/3 because then he is OBVIOUS. His caps lock statement was NAI. Even though he hasn't done it in his 4 scum games, I think he's entirely capable of it. So it's NAI, but apparently for you it overcomes a SHOCKING difference. The time it took me to do the above made me think how long it would have taken me to find out Sukrit's identity. I'm more curious to hear how you did it. It would take me days so there must be a trick. But the point is you spent time on smurf hunting rather than solving the game while you are not being active. When I have lots of time to solve the game then smurf hunting is fine, but you haven't been that active so you are wasting that limited resource on smurf hunting? Really? At least it wasn't blue hunting so there's that but still. yeah, you were OK with lynching TT. TT who had heat on him from several of the town leaders. Way to stick your neck out and make a bold read. I don't think townRels backs down from any fight. I think mafiaRels may or may not back down. Your targets were LS, GiygaS, me, TicTock, and lackluster Damdred. Damdred is the only one in that list that wouldn't qualify as an easy target and that's purely based on reputation. Then you vote completely null Kush. you didn't want to put in the work for getting one of your targets lynched. You took the easy way. I think townRels would have done more. I don't think you cared about the lynch. I'll concede it's possible confirmation bias but the tone I read in your 3-4 posts "hey guys GB might be bad lynch" is just acting. I don't think you cared at all. Now the important information we need to use this indifference is both GB's and Kush's alignment. If Kush is mafia then your indifference makes you town as mafiaRels would care and probably wouldn't be voting teammate Kush. BUT if Kush is town then indifference could be either and with everything else I think this piece sums you mafia. But we dont' know Kush's alignment yet.
I can't believe you're accusing me of being "indifferent" to the lynch when I tried to get Damdred lynched, then when it wasn't done, gave my opinion on my preferred lynch with reasonning. Especially since you weren't even present to discuss anything; and even more especially since in the ONLY game we've played together, I was even more unsure about the lynch that was between you Chez and ruxxar.
So bro, if kush is not scum, you are the one that (1) didn't care about the lynch between two townies, to the point of not being there and (2) already finding suspects based on it.
About my magic find, it took me 20 seconds:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Sukrit&gb=date
Voilà.
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On December 17 2015 04:42 Damdred wrote:
Let's be honest here I am neither invested currently in the game and I'm not as interested in becoming so after the couple of days I've had.
However I will put some form of concerted effort forward to uphold my reputation. And to the person who say damdred is always scum if he's alive after d4 I hate to tell you this I don't have a very good record of being shot for some reason.
Also calling my try to shenanigan away from the current lymch brain dead is incorrect. I have been in plenty of moves that take less time than 4 minutes sometimes 50 seconds is all you need especially with a full game.
However rels what question am I missing or have missed?
Vivax is obvious scum at this point or at least should be ashwd of himaelf if town.
Oh really?
On December 16 2015 07:14 Damdred wrote:
Hrm
I'll have to look st context tommorow then see what happened.
I can't lead a lynch this far behind in an hour. So I see people want me, GB or kush correct
you say you are behind and should not be leading a lynch. you are content voting on kush. you express no doubt toward the kush lynch. you then try to lead a lynch with minimal time left in which 1 of the people you are "relying on" to switch has told you he won't. the switch you try to make is on the largest afk/LHF in the game. kush is probably the 2nd largest afk in the game, so moving the vote for activity reasons makes no sense; you express no reasonable doubt toward kush flipping town. i see no reasonable town motivation or explanation for doing what you did. and then you stuck with it even after people told you no and didn't move.
and before you start with "you're whining even though you got your lynch and he was town". yup i pretty much lynched gb, and he did nothing to deserve a tr. that doesn't take away from the fact that what you did makes absolutely no sense as town.
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people made big posts about me. i didn't read them. i claimed vt that's all you need to know my alignment.
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anywayz gonna go take my kid to see her first snow, probably not back before deadline, won't be surprised if i get shot.
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@TT thanks for the hook up Tinfoil partner,not sure if its legal. But it does fit the theme. Also I Post yet another conspiracy theory for your enjoyment. This one talks about the possibility of a Kush/Rik team. But idk tbh if i did debunked, or i am dumb and missed something. Idk if GiygaS Khan would fit into the scum team. And we want to think about scum teams, We know vivax has a good chance of being one. Rik very to possibly. But I am on the fence about GiygaS Khan, since he's read on me feels either forced to prove innocent, or townie. Not that hes right, but he did post pretty good reasoning (although, thinking about it, a mafia even first timer, would be that careless. His team wouldn't let it.) I can see three teams: Kush/Rik/GiygaS Khan, due to kush posting pro-town ideas about GiygaS khan and then had GiygaS Khan post a scum read on the most lynch bait target, me. And Rik and Kush. Kush/Rik/Vixiax, This team is based off of Kush and Rik interaction, Vivax being a afk team mate. And finnly, Kush/GiygaS/Vivax, For kush defense into blah blah i stated this.I'm not saying this is the only scums teams. I just stating that this is my reasoning behind them. I feel through i am tunneling Kush and a bit on Rik. Tubesock could also factor into these teams. I do not have a good read on him and I do not think you do either. Should really work on that.
@Rik: How does Damred play make any sense as Mafia? Lets say GB and Kush is town.Why bring attention to himself and try to vote off Vivax? There is the a little sense If kush is mafia, as the sexagenarians(missed spelled it, that pop up, ran with it) would of brought attention to both of them. I mean Rels has already ask for a vig to shoot Kush just to see the flip. Why risk having the attention/exposing himself if Kush doesn't even have the chance of making it to the next day? I feel it's a more Town to nullish kinda move then a mafia move.
@GiygaKhan, I feel a lot more town from you based off your earlier post. But, thinking about it, you picked the most lynchable person to make a case on. But I see some reasoning about your points about my contradicting behavior. I also saw you compared me to Sanders which is the real reason why i included you in my post.
Sanders checklist:
Contradicting behavior: Check
Radical Conspirator: Check
Brain fogged: Check
Democrat: Meh, I believe in independent so half checkish
Want College to be free: I remember when i was in college for almost 10 years "how do i pay this off", Check
Shapeanders Reporting in for office!
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Ritoky you are one of the biggest hypocrites this game its pretty amusing.
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Most of your reasoning is bullshit meta that doesn't make anyone scum obviously.
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Idk how many posts I got left but Damdred can you give me a list of your reads and reasons for them please?
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I planned to do a big list post but I have no motivation right now. See you tomorrow.
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On December 17 2015 06:31 ritoky wrote:
people made big posts about me. i didn't read them. i claimed vt that's all you need to know my alignment.
I claiming Mouse Queen, because i wanted to be mafia. And that's all you need to know about my alignment.
Srsy, How does claiming a role, espically Vt, going to make me belive your acutrrly Vt. I shouldn't need you to tell me your role. You should be able to make reads, do stuff, and come off as VT. Not say i am Vt (which he did in the beginning of the game)
On December 17 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
anywayz gonna go take my kid to see her first snow, probably not back before deadline, won't be surprised if i get shot.
Not game related, But I think Ritoky needs Best father reward. Like this guy has suffer with a baby and is now taking his kids to see their first snow. #Ritokybestfather
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