EPTTL Mafia LXXIII: The Nutcracker - Page 37
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
On December 16 2015 22:13 Tubesock wrote: LS what do you think so far of the game? It's been awhile since you've given reads. Town: Me: Duh I know my alignment  Koshi: Meta says Koshi town with complaints and thinking. Onegu: Even though more serious he is going through a tunnel but he at least tried to explain himself. Damdred: Even though people questioning him I still can see him town just because he did try to get a read off me although through jokes and tried to steer the lynch away from kush/gb to Vivax. Granted he did it on a to short of a notice. ritoky: He did try to do more work than i remember but still he seems pretty townie with his posts. GiygaS: He seem to be thinking critically of this game his content is decent but also tried defend me. kush: EoD says he prob town due to shannies but otherwise I don't really care for him though Tubesock(you): Even though a small filter I do see some of your content and is okay just want you to be posting more. Shapelog:I do remember liking his content earlier but will review later. Null: Rels: I don't think he retreated his case on anyone that quickly especially my last game with him when he went full out on DoYouHas. But some of his posts giving me a pause. Scum: Vivax: Not doing jack shit which is something I don't think I had seen from him as town. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Is your list towniest to scummiest? Does Damdred as mafia do crazy eod plays? | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote: Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does. You semi townread LS for the exact reason I do. But for some reason it makes me scum because "town Rels doesn't back off fights". Well, I don't often back down fights as either alignements, as you should know since apparently you read one of my scum game. So I have two problems with town!you believing the above: - Scumreading me for townreading LS based on a caps post; but at the same time half townreading LS for said post - Saying me backing off fights is my scum meta when you say you've read a scum game of mine On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote: The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games. Are you insinuating I'm scum with Onegu ? 'cause that is the only way I could had "cheated" on that; if I was scum and he was town, I wouldn't have an easier way to find the info than if I was town. If the answer is YES; it's inconsistent with your Onegu townread, so I won't consider it. If the answer is NO; as proved above, this is not alignement indicative. So you wrote something that look good but has no impact of my alignement in a series a reason as to why I am scum. On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote: Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one). What are you talking about, and why is this not in the LS explanation ? On December 16 2015 23:06 RtaniSoul wrote: After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's. 1 - even if it was true, so ? 2 - you coincidentally forgets that I was OK lynching TT until he looked better at EOD. On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote: I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately. I've said what I thought. You agree with the facts as seen by your part on Damdred, you kinda disagree with the conclusion. I don't see how I can be opportunistic when you don't find Damdred town; please show me where I'm opportunistic BTW. On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote: I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read. If both GB and kush are town, scum are more likely to not care about the lynch. Me pushing more for kush doesn't make me town, but it clearly doesn't make me scum either. On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote: The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy. Yep. I can be mafia and I can not be. So that is another NAI point in your case, that you say is NAI. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
On December 16 2015 22:44 Tubesock wrote: LS, if Damdred didn't bother reading you, what would you think of him? you don't like Kush much why is it good he tried to steer off the lynch? Is your list towniest to scummiest? Does Damdred as mafia do crazy eod plays? he prob would of tried reading another person in my place? Anyways the way he tried to steer the lynch away was townie though even though I would of rather lynch kush over GB imo. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
I decided to Look at GB lynch. I was thinking about it while I was in bed. GB lynch was probably the worse choice in retrospective. If we Run threw the list of the outcomes of a flip per person this is what it comes down too: GB: If town, only the voting process really matters in finding scum such as who voted and why (get to this latter).If scum: Well scum, I mean all we would gather is that I have a better town chance and maybe the chance of Kush flipping mafia? Damred: If town, LS is prob. town. Vixax lynch becomes more of a option. If scum: LS is prob. scum. Vixax lynch becomes less big. TT: If town, Rik could have a good chance of flipping mafia due to him early on wanting to tunnel and lynch TT. Giyga Khan could also be mafia. If scum, Rik and Giyga khan (at least Giyga khan) becomes more townie. Kush: if town, RIk is town. Only one who really defended him hard and early on read him as town. If scum, Rik becomes a 65/35 chance as mafia. (explain lower) I will now go into detail about the people who lynched GB: (spoiled for my amusement) Kush + Show Spoiler + His claims: "inactiveness/Joking around/Being lazy". Which funny enough fits Kush as well. Not really a whole lot for me to go off of him through. Still has a one page filter, and only post during voting was telling me which a lynch on him is a bad idea. Does no one else wonder why he just comes back, sees himself getting lynched. And mostly comments on why I am lynching him? On December 16 2015 07:33 kushm4sta wrote: sorry guys i had a lunch meeting. I won't be able to catch up on reading tonight. Pretty dumb to lynch me due to a lurker meta though. Whether I am a lurker or not has nothign to do with alignment and everything to do with how busy I am. Dark tournament I was also lynched d1 for low activity and I was also town. So keep that in mind. I mean other people voted him because they either claim of the low activity or because he was useless (pretty sure GB said the latter.) Does it not bother anyone? maybe not because this might just be normal Kush. Rikoty: (warning, conspiracy shapelog theory) + Show Spoiler + His reasons: underwhelming, to piss him off/pressure vote (also because he was worse then him? might be pointed to TT and i read wrong). However, said during vote his was going to switch to TT. On December 15 2015 13:56 ritoky wrote: too many people don't have an opinion on who is mafia. too many null reads. everyone should call someone mafia in their next post and stop wasting time pussyfooting. the time for your pointless shitty information gathering questions is past; form some opinions and stop being less useful than me. shape is town kush is probably town not interested in lynching koshi not interested in lynching damdred not interested in lynching rels no girls in the game so dunno LS alignment tt is probably mafia gb is underwhelming and should be a potential vote gig does the whole not delivering on promises shit every1 else is nai or unremarkable ##vote: glowingbear i am voting on you to piss you off so that you can shit town on me and then i can lynch tt at the eod. please stop being worse than me, cuz if you're worse than me you're probably mafia. On December 15 2015 19:24 ritoky wrote: if you want me to write the why tt is potentially mafia book it would basically be: he tr shape for good reason (i thought) at proper time and when it was popular, then backed out of it for a bad/no reason when it was popular, was awkward, then has basically snap conceded/fucked off in the face of me wanting to lynch him. Lol what? "snap and conceded/fucked off in the face of me wanting to lynch him." On December 14 2015 16:59 Tictock wrote: Ok gave this game a quick reread now that I'm home and not being distracted or as constrained on time. Damdred is prob town for the Miller thing, plus he made a good point about meta-ing Koshi (or rather not rushing to meta Koshi). Easy start to a townpile. Gunna retract my town read on Shape from earlier, though I think I just need to see more out of him. Scummy Stuff: Jumped on the LS vote real fast, applying meta based on one game, kinda all over the place with reads Towny Stuff: Throwing out lots of thoughts/ideas, engaged, not concerned with how his suggestions make him look @Shape, have you read other games or just Haunted Mansion? Also welcome to the forums! On December 15 2015 02:48 Tictock wrote: I've got shit for time today but will try to keep up with reading if I can. Rit you might be right about Shape, I just saw those couple of things when rereding and wanted to take a step back. It sounds like you did pick up on the same thing in that post I liked though, I think Damdred saw it too. @Rels, I was thinking of checking LS's past games if his activity dropped off here after that open. He's stayed pretty active though so didn't seem worth the time. Might like Kush a little more since his open. On December 16 2015 01:02 Tictock wrote: Ok somewhat caught up now, but I wont be able to do much posting till I'm off work in like 3 hours. Rit is giving me seriuse Dejavu, like This push on me is so similar to GB's push on me last game it's scary. The problem I have with Rit's push is that he is basing it off an unwavering townread on Shape and has in turn formed an unwavering scumread on me. What especially bugs me is the fact that both GB last game and Rit this game throw out is " I like to be right" as if that furthers your read at all. Now I realize my posting has been lackluster due to my lack of time and I don't expect anyone to have a townread on me or anything, but being tunneled for posting my thoughts on a null read is pretty lame. @ Rit, I totally disagree with the " One moment seals your alignment" nonsense you are spouting. Maybe you think that way, but I like to take a step back from my reads and reevaluate from time to time. I still need to get better at it because I tend to get tunneled on shit like GB last game. Sorry i don't really see the OMGUS/conceded/fucked off in the face of me wanting to lynch him. I seeing TT being a bit paranoid about me (also asked Giyga khan about me) and eventurlly comes to the same agreement. But he is still uncomfortable about me due to Rik's unwavering Townread. So i really don't get were Rik is coming from. On December 16 2015 07:25 ritoky wrote: i mean i haven't even voted on you, i am voting on gb; so it is clear what my alternative is. and i am not overstating my towniness, i claimed vt. basically why i keep talking about you is i am trying to figure out if you're just mafia or you're going to be "that guy" for me this game. "that guy" refers to the person in the game who i have a burning desire to lynch every phase and must forcibly talk myself out of lynching every phase. this is a very important distinction that could impede my progress of solving this game. outside of you who i want to lynch and gb who i am voting on cuz i expect better from, i have no particular desire of lynch targets. i don't want to lynch koochi, shape, damdred, kush, rels; everyone else i won't be hurt if they disappear. Rik's then stays on TT trails. But then suddenly TT is his alliterative lynch? With all of his posts B/4 about TT and how he wanted to lynch. With all the things about TT he chooses GB? Because he wanted better from him? After TT questions his change of heart. Riks responds it because he didn't deliver. But yet, GB called me mafia at #585. Rik, who of all people, wanted to see GB perform does not question GB Why i am mafia. Only I do. Granted, GB didn't post back to me asking until 70ish posts later. In the case Rit is scum. I can see the set up for a Mislynch on GB/TT. Picks a person/s who won't be on much (and most people forgot weren't going to be on.)And then pressure votes on, Which btw Kush already have done for GB. (Possibity of a scum/mason team of Rit/Kush? I know people said he wouldn't hard defend a teammate. But hes been defending Kush. Kush has been mainly null too townish for the most part on people's radar. Also lack of content +Kush "normal" lack of content = easy defend.) On December 15 2015 19:24 ritoky wrote: if you want me to write the why is kush potentially mafia book it would basically be: he makes good reads that are definitive at the proper time too frequently and probably is a result of extra information. i currently have a lack of desire to go down that rabbit hole cuz he called me town and too right thus scum isn't usually a good day 1 lunchable. also he did a game winning impression of me that i loved. I mean the post about kush mafianess doesn't really tell much. basically paints a picture that kush isn't mafia. Posting at the proper time and with extra information hasn't been showing. It's like Rik is saying Kush is mafia for these reason and isn't following them. Like he trying to hide a scum/mason team underneath it. My only problem with Rit/Kush scum team is that he couldn't predicted Damred shenanigans. Unless Rit/Kush/Damred is a mafia team, which would be very far fetch considering the fact Damred was voting Kush. This is why i am leaning more to a mason team then a scum team. Who knows maybe Rit/Kush is a scum team, or i might just be a insane person with tinfoil on my head. Also Rik did get mad at shenanigans, which would save his teammate. wow did i just disbunk my own theory? Oh well 2 hours wasted. Might as well leave this. Koshi+ Show Spoiler + Reason: Gb is a liability. I really do not have a problem right now about this. His vote was like mine, Idk who to vote which one do i think is best. Vivax+ Show Spoiler + Reason: Koshi did it. Vivax is giving me a scum feeling. He's sheeping, He posted his thoughts about Onegu in the form of a +1 off of my initial read and about LS and damred reading each other. Then just says i follow Koshi. Weird tbh, I would think he be more active and more concern about who he votes. Could of been around voting too. I also agree with the Vivax shenanigans. Damred+ Show Spoiler + Shenagains makes me lean town on him. It's not something i would do as mafia. If he was mafia, Kush and Gb would be innocent. Why bring atteation unto himself? He would be better off mislynching Kush and pushing GB. Makes me want to say town I would say the person with the most chance out of the 5 to flip mafia is Kush. Might be tunneling him and trying to find a reason to lynch him through. Vivax is a great choice too. And this is My current Town list going into Day 2: Town: Koshi Damread Town leans: LS Tictock Surkit/Onegu Rels Null: Tubesock -Nothing from his filter makes me jump town Scum Leans GiygaS Khan - Missed Voting, Can see where he is coming from with shengaings. Want to see more about him. Rikoty - Debunked my theory on him. Put him here because of that weird town read denfense for me. Might be town though Scum: Kush -I just have a gut hard feeling that hes mafia. Vivax- Lack of content, brainless sheeping, half a page of filter. Also i am so happy I am everywhere. So many people are talking about me. Makes me happy. Can't wait till Surengo (sounds like that cheese company surego) push and gut feeling which is wrong. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Gigas seems like a good person to filter at this time. Anyone else? | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote: Kushm4sta knowing his alignment helps me think more about Rels. Associative reads BAD mmmkay. Could you elaborate TS? | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On December 16 2015 20:53 kushm4sta wrote: Wow you guys should have lynched me. what gives This is a really weird post. You were pushing for GB pretty much all day after your initial vote on Rit and now that he flips town this is your response? You kinda did this earlier too, On December 14 2015 23:22 kushm4sta wrote: Did a quick control-f for my name. No, Koshi, I will not be useless. This level of activity looks like it will be quite manageable for me to keep up with. Yes, GB,I do deserve your vote at this point in time. I hope to put some time into this game at lunch. All I can say now is ritoky is obviously town, which is funny because I'm currently voting him. Then the rest of your filter is almost all about GB. On December 15 2015 02:51 kushm4sta wrote: K I read everything mostly. Gb is a scummy. He's nitpicking/joking around/ being lazy. Before you say I'm lazier, no. Gigyas, a little concerned with his overserious tone and his post that looked more like summary than analysis. I'll quote it below. On December 15 2015 02:56 kushm4sta wrote: On second thought after rereading his filter I'm not so sure I want to put gigas on my scum list yet. I will wait to see what his scumreads look like. Gb, I'll vote for him when I get a chance. Unless he does something townie. This read on Gig is pretty flippant as well, I'd like to hear what Kush thinks of Gig now. More pushing GB. On December 15 2015 10:31 kushm4sta wrote: Why are we not lynching GB? im confused. On December 15 2015 21:48 kushm4sta wrote: I see no reason not to vote gb. Dunno when flip is but I will try to do some stuff at lunch So Kush spends pretty much all D1 talking about GB, only other real read I see is a TR on Rit. His response after EoD is total shit and doesn't match up with any of his play thus far. Starting to think about a team of Gig/Kush/+1. I haven't forgotten about rereading Rit, I'll prob look at him in my next post. Might not get to that till closer to EoN, but I will get it done. | ||
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kushm4sta
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
On December 17 2015 02:12 kushm4sta wrote: Shape why am I mafia if I act like this every game? I'm null imo. Gigas seems like a good person to filter at this time. Anyone else? Gut feeling tbh. Idk i might just tunneling you tbh because of your lack of content. Plus your dark tourment filter looks more helpful then this games (just a observation).GigyaS Khan's filter to me is meh. His scum read on me means nothing since everyone is everywhere about me (I did this on purpose... I think). TT claim lines up with Rit's claim. @ TT, I not sure if kush/GigyaS/Rit could be a team. Read my new theory and see. Might just be under/over thinking or missing something. (also I only got 1-2 more posts) | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
I apologize for my lack of content and i hope to remedy that shortly. Though probably not to the extent you want me to. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On December 17 2015 02:26 kushm4sta wrote: Hi tt I will read gigas. Um I said you should have lynched me? Cause then ivwoildnt have to worry about this game anymore 'll Humm, I can understand that feeling, but thats not really what your other post implied... Let me see what you get on Gig, and your other reads as well. Right now I'd preffer to lynch Vivax tomorrow over anyone else, so you've got some time to do your thing. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On December 15 2015 02:58 GiygaS wrote: I'll reread tt filter and see, but all I have is null or town reads on everyone, except a tiny lean on Koshi from meta that I haven't even experienced.  This read on koshi makes me think he's town. It is a very specific type of read. Very nuanced. Scum don't have nuanced reads like that. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Current scum reads are on tt (again, I really don't like that list of townread retraction with NAI stuff) and shape (holy shit that random asslist in to weird sukrit fos). Might get some more/less post-filters, but we'll see. His scumreads look believable and so does his case on rels. Not saying they are right or wrong but they look like townie reads | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
On December 17 2015 02:57 kushm4sta wrote: His scumreads look believable and so does his case on rels. Not saying they are right or wrong but they look like townie reads On December 16 2015 02:41 GiygaS wrote: Why do people think my read on rels was the only thing I got out of the filter/thread readover? If you look up you'll see I also had scum reads on tt and shape. Like all these people saying I didn't fulfill promises or came out of reading filters and thread again with 1 awful scum read are just wrong. Clearly I made a mistake reading LS's filter going over it again (I honestly don't know where), so going to unvote rels and put my vote back on tt. ##unvote ##vote tictock I feel like this is also look townish. I can see a frustrated town from this post, who voted TT to maybe to fit in or seem relvent? Can still understand why he is mafia, but this is why he is my weakest scum lean. | ||
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Shapelog
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On December 17 2015 03:09 Shapelog wrote: I feel like this is also look townish. I can see a frustrated town from this post, who voted TT to maybe to fit in or seem relvent? Can still understand why he is mafia, but this is why he is my weakest scum lean. For this honesty you also receive a kush townread, 100% certified to be correct. Now back to work I will be back tonight perhaps, or tomorrow at lunch. | ||
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