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On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:
Regarding Rels, I recall him being nitpicky from his town games but nothing about the nitpicking jumps out as scumlike. Trfel why do you think he's being opportunistic with DYH? (It was based off a read progression and not activity.)
I didn't mean to criticize Rels for being nitpicky, that doesn't really describe his play. I had two reasons to suspect Rels:
1. I didn't see a direction from his posting
2. He was suspicious of a ton of people with few/no townreads
I didn't review his filter before I said this, though. Right when I said this, Rels made a post clarifying his stance. If Rels' filter shows a clear and natural progression that results in these scumreads, and I can see a sensible direction, then I'm fine with Rels for now. That should be fairly easy to check, I'll do so this evening.
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On December 02 2015 06:11 Palmar wrote:
This is a shitty read, but it might actually be brilliant.
Shining said he'd leave yesterday when arguing with me, yet he kept coming back to the thread. If he is mafia he has already realized I'm an obnoxious bastard who pushes shit without mercy. He created an excuse for himself to leave the thread and then didn't use it.
That drive to make me understand that I'm being dumb as shit is actually kinda townie. When I think about it I definitely don't want to lynch Shining today. I note that this is very similar to what Damdred was saying earlier. And Palmar said it was stupid then.
Not a new realization at all, Palmar 
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On December 02 2015 06:36 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 06:11 Palmar wrote:
This is a shitty read, but it might actually be brilliant.
Shining said he'd leave yesterday when arguing with me, yet he kept coming back to the thread. If he is mafia he has already realized I'm an obnoxious bastard who pushes shit without mercy. He created an excuse for himself to leave the thread and then didn't use it.
That drive to make me understand that I'm being dumb as shit is actually kinda townie. When I think about it I definitely don't want to lynch Shining today. I note that this is very similar to what Damdred was saying earlier. And Palmar said it was stupid then. Not a new realization at all, Palmar
That's not at all similar to what damdred said.
Damdred's shit was bad.
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Blazinghand
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On December 02 2015 06:11 disformation wrote:Ah nearly forgot to mention: The Shining was asking DYI about: Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? So I am looking forward to finding out whether DYH answered that. 
On December 01 2015 11:36 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? In his second point he encouraged us to all make as many reads as we can. A swarm of reads, particularly ones that aren't strong just scatter the focus of the thread and make rereads a quagmire. I dislike lots of lists. There are a few times when giving a more complete picture of how you view the game is useful, like right before the end of the night. On the Shining/Palmar interaction so far. Palmar seems town to me with the productive way he is pressuring. I also like his reasoning as he is going after Shining. That being said, everything after this post + Show Spoiler +On December 01 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:
Welp since I'm a moron so early in the game, I see no reason to talk to Palmar now or ever again this game. If you're town, consider the fact that you just pissed off a townie to the point where I'm going to think everything you're doing in this game is wrong. So you can have fun pushing the d1 mislynch in me or leave me around and bumping heads with me the rest of the game. Talking to you isn't going to get either of us anywhere and I'm done with it. Get me lynched if you want, I just think you're retarded and stubborn town at this point and I still think Fidei's post is a lot less fine than you make it out to be so there's no reason for me to try and convince you otherwise.
Strikes me as VERY townie. Fast, frustrated, and spiteful. The way he kept coming back for more after saying he was out feels like genuine emotional reaction to being pushed wrongly. Palmar basically pressured something that was a little out of place and then ran with it when Shining reacted poorly and went for OMGUS. For me that isn't enough for a lynch with my feel for Shining's play stated above.
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LS: if you had to name a team of 3 mafias, who would that be and why ?
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DYH time... so much to do this gam... wow is that a short filter...
Well, he was commenting on the actual discussions and trying to reach conclusions on the involved players.
But I agree with Rels that his progression/read on Trfel seems very strange. Like I am not even sure if he has a town or scum read on Trfel at the end. So I'd like him to come back and explain this.
He also DID respond to The Shining's questions... but I don't really agree with that:
On December 01 2015 11:36 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? In his second point he encouraged us to all make as many reads as we can. A swarm of reads, particularly ones that aren't strong just scatter the focus of the thread and make rereads a quagmire. I dislike lots of lists. There are a few times when giving a more complete picture of how you view the game is useful, like right before the end of the night.
While I agree that cluttering up the thread or drowning out certain stuff on purpose is a strategy for scum and not good for town to do, but the comment on only posting strong read is a bit confusing to me. Like if people don't post their reads, and sometimes you just don't have amazing reads on a certain person or something, how is town going to figure out people's alignment? A dead thread with no information is super bad for town. So I rather have a lot of information than not enough information to figure out the game?
Maybe I am misunderstanding, but I'd like him to explain this part a bit more as well, since it does not make a lot of sense to me.
The filter also looks a bit like putting in the least amount of required work.. but would fit well if he really thinks town should post very little. Though that could easily be disguise. Only things I kinda like in his filter are the reads on Palmar and The Shining and Palmar is not a hard read to make at this point imo...
So yeah, scum lean.
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On December 02 2015 07:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 06:11 disformation wrote:Ah nearly forgot to mention: The Shining was asking DYI about: On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? So I am looking forward to finding out whether DYH answered that. Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 11:36 DoYouHas wrote:On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? In his second point he encouraged us to all make as many reads as we can. A swarm of reads, particularly ones that aren't strong just scatter the focus of the thread and make rereads a quagmire. I dislike lots of lists. There are a few times when giving a more complete picture of how you view the game is useful, like right before the end of the night. On the Shining/Palmar interaction so far. Palmar seems town to me with the productive way he is pressuring. I also like his reasoning as he is going after Shining. That being said, everything after this post + Show Spoiler +On December 01 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:
Welp since I'm a moron so early in the game, I see no reason to talk to Palmar now or ever again this game. If you're town, consider the fact that you just pissed off a townie to the point where I'm going to think everything you're doing in this game is wrong. So you can have fun pushing the d1 mislynch in me or leave me around and bumping heads with me the rest of the game. Talking to you isn't going to get either of us anywhere and I'm done with it. Get me lynched if you want, I just think you're retarded and stubborn town at this point and I still think Fidei's post is a lot less fine than you make it out to be so there's no reason for me to try and convince you otherwise.
Strikes me as VERY townie. Fast, frustrated, and spiteful. The way he kept coming back for more after saying he was out feels like genuine emotional reaction to being pushed wrongly. Palmar basically pressured something that was a little out of place and then ran with it when Shining reacted poorly and went for OMGUS. For me that isn't enough for a lynch with my feel for Shining's play stated above.
You ninja you.
On December 01 2015 19:12 Rels wrote:
Useful List of Useless People
Onegu
kushmasta
DoYouHas
Do stuff or be lynched.
Can we add MoosyDoosy to this list?
Also while we are mentioning Onegu:
On December 02 2015 00:29 Onegu wrote:
Onegu VT claim.
Be back later
I shadowed him once, when he was town and I vaguely remember some talk in that game about him claiming/not claiming VT. He simply does this as both alignments right?
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On December 02 2015 07:28 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 07:17 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 06:11 disformation wrote:Ah nearly forgot to mention: The Shining was asking DYI about: On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? So I am looking forward to finding out whether DYH answered that. On December 01 2015 11:36 DoYouHas wrote:On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? In his second point he encouraged us to all make as many reads as we can. A swarm of reads, particularly ones that aren't strong just scatter the focus of the thread and make rereads a quagmire. I dislike lots of lists. There are a few times when giving a more complete picture of how you view the game is useful, like right before the end of the night. On the Shining/Palmar interaction so far. Palmar seems town to me with the productive way he is pressuring. I also like his reasoning as he is going after Shining. That being said, everything after this post + Show Spoiler +On December 01 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:
Welp since I'm a moron so early in the game, I see no reason to talk to Palmar now or ever again this game. If you're town, consider the fact that you just pissed off a townie to the point where I'm going to think everything you're doing in this game is wrong. So you can have fun pushing the d1 mislynch in me or leave me around and bumping heads with me the rest of the game. Talking to you isn't going to get either of us anywhere and I'm done with it. Get me lynched if you want, I just think you're retarded and stubborn town at this point and I still think Fidei's post is a lot less fine than you make it out to be so there's no reason for me to try and convince you otherwise.
Strikes me as VERY townie. Fast, frustrated, and spiteful. The way he kept coming back for more after saying he was out feels like genuine emotional reaction to being pushed wrongly. Palmar basically pressured something that was a little out of place and then ran with it when Shining reacted poorly and went for OMGUS. For me that isn't enough for a lynch with my feel for Shining's play stated above. You ninja you. Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 19:12 Rels wrote:
Useful List of Useless People
Onegu
kushmasta
DoYouHas
Do stuff or be lynched. Can we add MoosyDoosy to this list?
Sure.
On December 02 2015 07:28 disformation wrote:Also while we are mentioning Onegu: I shadowed him once, when he was town and I vaguely remember some talk in that game about him claiming/not claiming VT. He simply does this as both alignments right?
Yep.
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Back from class after some relaxation.
On December 02 2015 07:18 Rels wrote:
LS: if you had to name a team of 3 mafias, who would that be and why ?
Idk yet this game is getting a little hard. I wish that Onegu and Kush actually do stuff so I can flesh them out in terms of alignment. Otherwise after considering that he did his thing on me as a trap(if I reading this correctly) Tfrel moved to null for now but still it was kind of a weird thing to do for him. Idk why people having trouble with DYS? I see him more of a newbie player than a veteran player honestly so(shrugs). So nothing yet for a team.
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On December 02 2015 04:38 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I here now and Tfrel I did answer HTS just not directly quoted. On December 02 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
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LS, I'm not referring to meta. Let's make sure I'm not misunderstanding you here.
I'm not talking about Palmar's tone in general. I'm talking about his case. If you read the context differently, then tell me how you interpreted that.
You are saying that he's town because his tone is serious and from 349 it's based on meta. Okay fine, but regardless of meta, why would Palmar's case NOT be serious? What I'm trying to say here is that you are townreading him for a poor reason. I didn't say it wasn't serious? Anyways the way he argued Shining like I said had a serious tone plus like said he did a very similar thing to me in Metal Mini when I was fighting him and felt frustrated with him. It took me a bit of arguing to get him to townread me in that game because I was still a newbie lol.... So it a little both but more towards personal experience with him. Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him. Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though.
Might of misread what you were trying to ask since I still tired.
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On December 02 2015 04:39 Half the Sky wrote:
Yes, LS, I know but to be quite honest, when I think of Drams, I think of that game for all of the fighting that went down that game of which he wasn't a part of. Don't want to be a dead horse on that, but that's that.
Fair enough.
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Oh heck no. You all don't get to mislynch me my first game in 2 1/2 years with reasons this weak. Seems to me like the vocal Palmar and Rels had strong opinions on me with reasons that made sense for them and everyone else is limping onto the wagon due to confirmation bias or because it is easy with my small postcount.
So let's get into it.
Rels and I disagree on optimal blue play. Whatever, nothing came of it and it isn't a useful topic anymore. This is in no way scummy. I figured scum know the setup because that was my experience (in another BH game IIRC) however, it has been a long time since I played so I asked the question in case this is no longer standard. (In the same vein, could someone tell me what TMI stands for?)
Palmar didn't like that I defended Shining, or at least didn't like my reasons. He now agrees with me, moving on.
The "weird progression" on Trfel is just a misrepresentation. I'm not sure how me disagreeing with him and calling him crazy means I have a town read on him.
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I'm going to have a lot of afk time over the course of this game. I like sleep and I have a job where I can't post. Still going to put plenty of effort into playing, just don't have a wide window for posting.
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On December 02 2015 06:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 06:36 Trfel wrote:On December 02 2015 06:11 Palmar wrote:
This is a shitty read, but it might actually be brilliant.
Shining said he'd leave yesterday when arguing with me, yet he kept coming back to the thread. If he is mafia he has already realized I'm an obnoxious bastard who pushes shit without mercy. He created an excuse for himself to leave the thread and then didn't use it.
That drive to make me understand that I'm being dumb as shit is actually kinda townie. When I think about it I definitely don't want to lynch Shining today. I note that this is very similar to what Damdred was saying earlier. And Palmar said it was stupid then. Not a new realization at all, Palmar That's not at all similar to what damdred said. Damdred's shit was bad.
Love youto baby, I'm glad you agree with me being right.
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On December 02 2015 08:08 DoYouHas wrote:
Oh heck no. You all don't get to mislynch me my first game in 2 1/2 years with reasons this weak. Seems to me like the vocal Palmar and Rels had strong opinions on me with reasons that made sense for them and everyone else is limping onto the wagon due to confirmation bias or because it is easy with my small postcount.
So let's get into it.
Rels and I disagree on optimal blue play. Whatever, nothing came of it and it isn't a useful topic anymore. This is in no way scummy. I figured scum know the setup because that was my experience (in another BH game IIRC) however, it has been a long time since I played so I asked the question in case this is no longer standard. (In the same vein, could someone tell me what TMI stands for?)
Palmar didn't like that I defended Shining, or at least didn't like my reasons. He now agrees with me, moving on.
The "weird progression" on Trfel is just a misrepresentation. I'm not sure how me disagreeing with him and calling him crazy means I have a town read on him.
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I'm going to have a lot of afk time over the course of this game. I like sleep and I have a job where I can't post. Still going to put plenty of effort into playing, just don't have a wide window for posting.
So you still had a scum read on Trfel at the time? Did that read change? Do you have any other scum reads?
Also: If you don't have that much time why spend it all on defending yourself? You didn't even make your read on Trfel clear. 
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On December 02 2015 06:27 Trfel wrote:
I don't know how to play this game with Damdred. He's not scumreading me, that I can tell, but he's absolutely refusing to work with me.
The sad thing is that I think Damdred is capable of doing this as town. However, he was actually quite reasonable with me last game, where I was playing extremely obnoxiously. I don't know why he would be willing to work with me there and not here if he's town.
Not exactly sure how I'm refusing to work with anyone when I've answered everything asked of me to carrying degrees.
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On December 02 2015 08:18 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 08:08 DoYouHas wrote:
Oh heck no. You all don't get to mislynch me my first game in 2 1/2 years with reasons this weak. Seems to me like the vocal Palmar and Rels had strong opinions on me with reasons that made sense for them and everyone else is limping onto the wagon due to confirmation bias or because it is easy with my small postcount.
So let's get into it.
Rels and I disagree on optimal blue play. Whatever, nothing came of it and it isn't a useful topic anymore. This is in no way scummy. I figured scum know the setup because that was my experience (in another BH game IIRC) however, it has been a long time since I played so I asked the question in case this is no longer standard. (In the same vein, could someone tell me what TMI stands for?)
Palmar didn't like that I defended Shining, or at least didn't like my reasons. He now agrees with me, moving on.
The "weird progression" on Trfel is just a misrepresentation. I'm not sure how me disagreeing with him and calling him crazy means I have a town read on him.
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I'm going to have a lot of afk time over the course of this game. I like sleep and I have a job where I can't post. Still going to put plenty of effort into playing, just don't have a wide window for posting. So you still had a scum read on Trfel at the time? Did that read change? Do you have any other scum reads? Also: If you don't have that much time why spend it all on defending yourself? You didn't even make your read on Trfel clear.
Ah, nearly forgot:
TMI is too much information. You know since mafia knows who is town and who is not, they sometimes can slip up and reveal to much information. Though I think I never saw this happen for real.
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I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this:
On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia.
A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me.
The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment.
I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next.
P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
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On December 02 2015 08:23 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 06:27 Trfel wrote:
I don't know how to play this game with Damdred. He's not scumreading me, that I can tell, but he's absolutely refusing to work with me.
The sad thing is that I think Damdred is capable of doing this as town. However, he was actually quite reasonable with me last game, where I was playing extremely obnoxiously. I don't know why he would be willing to work with me there and not here if he's town. Not exactly sure how I'm refusing to work with anyone when I've answered everything asked of me to carrying degrees. So technically this statement is correct if you include zero as an acceptable degree for an answer, or you're saying that I don't exist.
I don't know what you expect me to do. This is intolerable.
The worst part is that you're probably town and just this obnoxious.
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