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@Damdred:On December 02 2015 01:17 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 00:16 Damdred wrote:On December 01 2015 18:16 Trfel wrote:LightningStrike:On December 01 2015 12:18 LightningStrike wrote:
DYH seems townlean he actually tried to comment on stuff that is relevant to the game. Specifically, what comments did he make that were relevant to the game, and why do they make him town? Damdred: (and PLEASE, no one else answer this, don't be stupid...):I'm sorry, I know you don't want to talk about this, but it's driving me insane. Hypothetical scenario 1: Trfel makes a post an hour into a mafia game casting suspicions on Joe for not having posted. Hypothetical scenario 2: Trfel makes a post an hour into a mafia game casting suspicions on Bob for not having posted. Bob said before the game that he would not be present for the first few hours of the game. What difference do you see between these two scenarios?
Palmar seems like obvious town. There's one thing I hope to check eventually, though. I kind of want to lynch The Shining, but that seems like a very bad idea right now. He's put in a bunch of effort (regardless of alignment) on a busy day for him. Most of the problems that I have with his posts are wording, tone, and a bit of consistency, which aren't the most reliable. I do feel that his posting somewhat fits mafia motivation, but I'm nowhere near confident enough to be happy lynching him now. I feel that The Shining's alignment will become very clear with a bit more time. I still think that Damdred is mafia, but I remembered that the past several times I've played with Damdred (both town) I've always thought he was mafia  I'm guessing that I have some preconceived notions for what I expect Damdred to do, and whenever he doesn't behave exactly as I would expect him to, I think he's mafia. And it seems to be very hard for me to separate this from mafia motivations... Did anyone else find Damdred's townread of The Shining a bit off? Palmar commented on why the third point is invalid, which I completely agree with. Of course I see a difference, but what was my play? I don't see a difference. What difference do you see between them (with regards to my alignment)? + Show Spoiler [Explanation] +Two more hypothetical scenarios...
Hypothetical scenario A: Trfel knew that Bob made the pre-game post about not being there. What makes mafia!Trfel more likely to scumread Bob than town!Trfel?
Hypothetical scenario B: Trfel didn't know that Bob made the pre-game post about not being there. Why is it any different that Trfel posted suspicions of Bob instead of any of the other players who hadn't posted yet and had no pre-game excuse? Trfel didn't know the difference at the time, he could have posted about any of them. The question elaborates on a nested quote. To clarify:
I am NOT saying that if there is indeed a logical gap here, that you are scum 100%. I personally do not understand the logic in one of your early posts, and I've tried to explain that. Rels also questioned the same thing. I do not think that logical failures make someone 100% mafia, but if I can better understand the thought process used when the post was constructed, I can better understand the follow up and the thought process/mindset behind the series of posts.
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Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
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Blazinghand
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DoYouHas (2): Rels, Half the Sky
The Shining (1): Palmar
Rels (1): kushm4sta
kushm4sta (1): disformation
Trfel (1): DoYouHas
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I also want to lynch fidei because (1) his activity / involvement is super low, when he is super tryhard as town. And (2), I still cant accept his meta read on me in his first post:
On December 01 2015 09:01 Fidei86 wrote:
DYH's question of Rels seems towny, although I also think Rels' entrance was kind of towny, albeit wrongheaded. When he's Mafia Rels buddies up with everyone he likes and relentlessly fights with anyone who calls him out. I wouldn't expect a Mafia Rels to jump in and start picking fights so early, even about blues.
I had posted only 2 posts at the time, and only one relevent:
On December 01 2015 08:37 Rels wrote:
Yo.
If you're boxer you fucking shut up. There is two possible mafia setups: one with two possible town setups with one boxer each so it doesn't matter. And one when we have either boxer + vet, or cop + vig. In that last case, mafia wants to roleblock their kill target in the vet setup, or roleblock someone else on the cop + vig setup.
Boxer claiming would make them know what is the thing to do.
Tldr if you're boxer you shut up unless you're getting lynched.
Tldr 2 the two people pushing for boxer to claim are suspicious. Damdred and doyouhas
Now fidei townreads me off that post, because apparently my scum meta is not picking fights so early.
I just played a resistance game which fidei hosted. I was scum. Here is my filter; you can see I'm suspicious of several people very early in the game. This post is symptomatic of this:
On November 02 2015 18:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I take it that you don't have any townreads Rels? No. That's interesting since there are five people who have posted something that can actually be at least considered as content. If you exclude yourself from the pool, that leaves you four people. Now for you, it is impossible that those four people are al scum -- there has to be at least one townie in them. So what, do you think we are all scum or what? No. That is a dumb question. I'm pretty sure you were the one refusing the answer dumb questions like "are you mafia ?", maybe in the newbie game with noobking. Let me check that. What i am trying to say that i find it suspicious you are not trying to make reads yet, and i think that is not normal for you. Especially when this is not a situation where making reads does not help anything (unlike for example if in a mafia game you think everyone who has posted so far are town). If i compared this to a normal mafia this would be a situation where you know at least one of the people who have posted is mafia for sure but you are refusing to figure it out further. OK bro. I don't have townreads on anyone that posted. I don't have scumreads on them either. I have suspicions on Superbia, kita and you.
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Eh, I went to the cinema yesterday evening and then spent the rest of it catching up with friends. I have time at lunch time and will catch up. My old town meta, insofar as you think it was different, was before I totally fucked up the last Newbie game, which has really changed the way I view everything (and made me much less sure about myself).
Obviously that read was super early on you Rels. I don't think the post you quoted necessarily disproves what I said though. Totally you were a lot more combative in your opening than I have seen previously - there is a difference between scum reading someone and calling someone out.
The thing that concerns me about your play over the last day or so is that as scum you typically just nitpick/chase up nitpicks, and do so relentlessly. It's good scum play, as people can't say you're not contributing.
I think you're probably town now, with the only reason being that I think scum Rels probably doesn't pick a fight with me, at least not this early. As you say, we have played a fair bit together, so I think you'd be wary of me. That's hardly a good reason, as it requires you having a high opinion of me. >>
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On December 02 2015 19:05 Fidei86 wrote:
Eh, I went to the cinema yesterday evening and then spent the rest of it catching up with friends. I have time at lunch time and will catch up. My old town meta, insofar as you think it was different, was before I totally fucked up the last Newbie game, which has really changed the way I view everything (and made me much less sure about myself).
Obviously that read was super early on you Rels. I don't think the post you quoted necessarily disproves what I said though. Totally you were a lot more combative in your opening than I have seen previously - there is a difference between scum reading someone and calling someone out.
The thing that concerns me about your play over the last day or so is that as scum you typically just nitpick/chase up nitpicks, and do so relentlessly. It's good scum play, as people can't say you're not contributing.
I think you're probably town now, with the only reason being that I think scum Rels probably doesn't pick a fight with me, at least not this early. As you say, we have played a fair bit together, so I think you'd be wary of me. That's hardly a good reason, as it requires you having a high opinion of me. >>
Come and talk to me then. What do you think of other people ? Especially: Damdred ? DYH ? HTS now that she has posted more since your gutread ? LS ?
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On December 02 2015 19:05 Fidei86 wrote:
I think you're probably town now, with the only reason being that I think scum Rels probably doesn't pick a fight with me, at least not this early. As you say, we have played a fair bit together, so I think you'd be wary of me. That's hardly a good reason, as it requires you having a high opinion of me. >>
Rereading that, that's super wrong. That's exactly what I did to rayn in that resistance game you hosted, who is also a player with whom I've played a fair bit together. I think you're stretching to find reasons to townread me.
##Unvote
##Vote Fidei86
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I've skimmed through the thread but there wasn't anything that jumped out. I just focussed in on your post because I always catch mentions of my name. I'm going to re-read at lunch. Sorry.
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On December 02 2015 19:37 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 19:05 Fidei86 wrote:
I think you're probably town now, with the only reason being that I think scum Rels probably doesn't pick a fight with me, at least not this early. As you say, we have played a fair bit together, so I think you'd be wary of me. That's hardly a good reason, as it requires you having a high opinion of me. >>
Rereading that, that's super wrong. That's exactly what I did to rayn in that resistance game you hosted, who is also a player with whom I've played a fair bit together. I think you're stretching to find reasons to townread me. ##Unvote
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Eh that's true. But you have done that in every game we've been in - gone at it with Rayn I mean. Even SOTW, where he ended up trusting you with the game. Rayn is easy to manipulate and you figured him out (hell, we laughed about it at length in the Mafia QT).
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On December 02 2015 19:40 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 19:37 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 19:05 Fidei86 wrote:
I think you're probably town now, with the only reason being that I think scum Rels probably doesn't pick a fight with me, at least not this early. As you say, we have played a fair bit together, so I think you'd be wary of me. That's hardly a good reason, as it requires you having a high opinion of me. >>
Rereading that, that's super wrong. That's exactly what I did to rayn in that resistance game you hosted, who is also a player with whom I've played a fair bit together. I think you're stretching to find reasons to townread me. ##Unvote
##Vote Fidei86 Eh that's true. But you have done that in every game we've been in - gone at it with Rayn I mean. Even SOTW, where he ended up trusting you with the game. Rayn is easy to manipulate and you figured him out (hell, we laughed about it at length in the Mafia QT).
Fun times (= soup hype! That's not true though. I didn't attack rayn in SOTW, excepting for 1 hour in D2 when he was pushing me hard.
On December 02 2015 19:39 Fidei86 wrote:
I've skimmed through the thread but there wasn't anything that jumped out. I just focussed in on your post because I always catch mentions of my name. I'm going to re-read at lunch. Sorry.
Hyped for that.
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The issue I have reading you really is that I've only seen you as Mafia for so long, everything you do reminds me of you being Mafia. It's going to be difficult to get your alignment straight. But obviously I also really like you OG, so I want to believe you're town. If you think I'm struggling with your alignment, that's why.
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On December 02 2015 19:47 Fidei86 wrote:
The issue I have reading you really is that I've only seen you as Mafia for so long, everything you do reminds me of you being Mafia. It's going to be difficult to get your alignment straight. But obviously I also really like you OG, so I want to believe you're town. If you think I'm struggling with your alignment, that's why.
You don't seem to be struggling for my alignment. You seem to have decided I am town and making up reasons for it.
This is struggling for my alignment:
On December 01 2015 09:31 Half the Sky wrote:
Hey everyone.
A few thoughts on my end before I head to bed -
Nulls on Rels/Damdred regarding setup discussion/speculation as I feel those are types of posts that can be made as either alignment (and such Rels' scumreads on Do and Damdred could also fall under the same category) by players who know general gameplay well enough.
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I would say being all over the place = struggling, but w/e, point taken.
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Some consolidation would be nice. That way we could get a claim well before deadline.
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@Rels something has come up at work, so will be working through. On a train from about 6pm ET which will give me plenty of time.
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On December 02 2015 21:29 Fidei86 wrote:
@Rels something has come up at work, so will be working through. On a train from about 6pm ET which will give me plenty of time.
My hype for your reads is growing.
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##vote fidel86
I'll answer trfel after coffee
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Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious.
I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return.
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On December 02 2015 01:52 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 01:45 LightningStrike wrote:On December 02 2015 01:37 Trfel wrote:On December 02 2015 01:36 LightningStrike wrote:On December 02 2015 01:34 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 01:28 LightningStrike wrote:On December 02 2015 01:23 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 01:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got to college campus and took care of stuff and about Palmar: It's meta read that I have on him because he did similar stuff to me in Metal Mini which you observed and I do find Shining town for now although he did show huge emotions as scum last game but I giving him a benefit of a doubt. Mainly Shining's content seems better ths game than his last game when he was scum vs me. Any idea on what could be scum ? I told you earlier that I think Tfrel is scum mainly his stuff about me..... His "stuff about you" was a trap that he didn't believe in. I don't think Trfel has posted a read on you. Does knowing that make you re evaluate ? Hmm maybe but I remember him attacking Geript in Student V for imposing a limit of how many posts he would make per phase and e was scum there so(shrugs). Why do you think that my attack on geript in that game is relevant to my alignment this game? Sorry, I just really don't see the connection. Because it seemed like similar manner on what you did to me this game..... Anyways you got any scum reads so far? Here you go. I don't have time to dive into anything in depth, so I'm talking to the people who are here. LightningStrike, why didn't you respond to this post? I must say that pending an answer to the above question, I kind of think that LightningStrike is town.
Can you expand ?
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