On November 17 2015 05:05 Trfel wrote:VisceraEyes (again)Note: Eversince will be addressed in a following post1. On Eversince and FarahBlackwingEversince's initial post, voting for The Shining
On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote:On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Hello. I think the proper use of our time is
##vote shining
Statistically it has to be time
100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you.
Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town.
This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia.
180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment
Obviously mafia.
##vote: FarahblackwingSoooo mafia. Lynch today!
Eversince's later post explaining the clear flaw in the above argument:
On November 16 2015 06:30 Eversince wrote:
To clarify, The Shining lurked bad last game I played with.
Farah town reads him regardless.
This game, Farah mafia reads The Shining.
He had not even posted yet.
Yeh! It's completely different play! Buggers! Sorry for pointin' it out!
VisceraEyes responds to this is a way that doesn't make sense at all.
Before my case on VisceraEyes and the second post above from Eversince, VisceraEyes posted these posts:
On November 16 2015 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote:On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Hello. I think the proper use of our time is
##vote shining
Statistically it has to be time
100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you.
Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town.
This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia.
180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment
Obviously mafia.
##vote: FarahblackwingSoooo mafia. Lynch today!
I actually like this a lot.
##Vote: Farahblackwing On November 16 2015 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 16 2015 05:38 The Shining wrote:On November 16 2015 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote:On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Hello. I think the proper use of our time is
##vote shining
Statistically it has to be time
100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you.
Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town.
This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia.
180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment
Obviously mafia.
##vote: FarahblackwingSoooo mafia. Lynch today!
I actually like this a lot.
##Vote: Farahblackwing What about it do you like? I see a short meta read based off of one newbie game, from a newbie. I wouldn't be nearly this confident in meta reading someone after just one game. And how do you know its even accurate? Did you check the last game or are you just blindly trusting to get on a wagon here?
I don't care if it's accurate - if they're mafia and lying someone will come in and say "Hey that's a lie" and I'll reevaluate then. At this point I'm taking the short meta read at face value, assuming it's true and taking the attempt as a townie attempt to find mafia - one that has possibly borne fruit.
So no, I'm not just "blindly" jumping on a wagon. I like this particular wagon for the reasons given and I like the person who started it, as indicated in my post.
On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 16 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote:
If you want me to explain, the logic of closing your eyes and finding a town less than an hour to d1 by just pointing means statistically you have a higher chance of finding town by being random. By that same logic, snap voting this early on D1 means it has a higher chance of landing on town.
Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird.
And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3
These three posts show that VisceraEyes is treating Eversince's first post seriously. He says that he likes Eversince's argument, and that he's townreading Eversince and scumreading FarahBlackwing because of it. Furthermore, he uses this repeatedly in his argument with The Shining, which apparently leads to a scumread of The Shining, shown by this post (among others):
On November 16 2015 05:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
You're getting awfully anxious about me trusting someone so early Shining, I have to say it looks really scummy to me. Why are you so against me having a townread on someone and a scumread on someone else?
After my case and Eversince's post, showing that Eversince's early vote on FarahBlackwing had no basis, VisceraEyes says this:
On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also I'm back!
##Unvote
I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced.
Ok, so he wasn't being serious earlier. Not only did he make a joke, but then he defended his joke several times, to the point of scumreading The Shining for it.
I just can't believe this.
2. GeneralFor the moment, let's assume that VisceraEyes was in fact joking with his first series of posts, and let's ignore that this makes no sense.
VisceraEyes receives a bunch of town reads after he leaves, notably from geript and ritoky.
Notice how VisceraEyes leaves in the same minute that geript posts a strong townread of him.
VisceraEyes made three posts upon return, shown below:
+ Show Spoiler [VisceraEyes' Posts] +On November 16 2015 21:14 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 16:21 ritoky wrote:On November 16 2015 15:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:On November 16 2015 15:50 ritoky wrote:On November 16 2015 15:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:On November 16 2015 15:42 ritoky wrote:
why does you playing on other sites render meta worthless exactly?
I can give you links to games for reference if you desire, but my play has changed a ton than what it usually was.
okay, with your new improved play; could you tell me who is mafia or town?
It's not necessarily improved but:
Farah
disformation
Shining
geript
is this the town list or mafia list? i can't tell
I think it's both...the question itself was a little ambiguous so maybe he just answered it as best he could, including both townreads and mafiareads?
On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also I'm back!
##Unvote
I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted.
The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you.
So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by.
On November 16 2015 21:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: Fecalfeast
JUST IN CASE THERE WAS ANY DOUBT AS TO THE SERIOUSNESS OF MY POST!!!!!!
First post is useless and strange. Why does he answer a question directed to someone else, when he's clearly not really sure?
VisceraEyes' next two posts are his thoughts about the game, and the only thoughts about the game that he's posted, assuming that his earlier posts were in jest. He says that he likes most of the people who have been posting (ok, so who doesn't he like then? not useful), and that he doesn't like Fecalfeast.
I personally don't really like this Fecalfeast read, but whatever, it's sort of up for interpretation. But this is his ONLY read.
Note that he spends a fair amount of this post responding to the townreads he's received. He's very aware of them, and this shows in his play. His activity tanked, he's not being useful or constructive, he made the terrible statement "I like most people who posted so far", which a perfect example of useless and lazy play.
3. Response to meta reads
+ Show Spoiler +On November 16 2015 05:50 geript wrote:
I'm not voting for VE ever.
Hm, people townreading VisceraEyes very strongly with little explanation. Where have I seen this before?
This game. Everyone townread VisceraEyes for no reason. I thought VisceraEyes was scum. Everyone ignored me on the basis that "he's town". Guess what, he was scum.
In fact, look at VisceraEyes' first post in that game.
On August 26 2015 09:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi I'm town.
Marv playing like Palmar makes me vom a little in my mouth. Otherwise I like most everyone who's posted so far.
Look familiar?
I don't see how the metareads given about VisceraEyes apply to this game. Either ~80% of his posts in this game were not serious, or he is clearly lying to try and explain his play. Ritoky's meta read has nothing to do with what I have presented, he didn't mention the posts related to this at all. As for geript's:
On November 16 2015 06:13 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 06:09 Trfel wrote:On November 16 2015 05:50 geript wrote:
I'm not voting for VE ever.
You're going to need to explain this.
Read other VE games. He's really easy to read when he gets semi active. Part of it is based in the fact that VE and I scum hunt rather differently. He takes on an egocentric (in the technical sense not in the asshole sense) view of other players; i.e. How he acts when he's scum and applies it to them. So when you see him jump on certain things in an accusatory way (especially when he's not trying to assream them) he's almost always town.
I don't understand this read. I've seen VisceraEyes jump on things and not push them into oblivion as mafia, too. For example, look at the game I linked; VisceraEyes was scumreading both Palmar and I but when Palmar asked him to reread the entire game under the assumption that we were both town and then share his thoughts, he did so (or at least partially did so).
My case stands for itself, I've had enough of random meta.
EPT
