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On November 17 2015 03:06 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote: So to summarize: ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF Should add at least a bit of reasoning: All three are in dire need of contributing more and have exhibited a bit of suspicious actions. (MoosyDoosy buggering off without explaining his reads, Trefel explained a few posts above and FF being lurky as hell, with minimal contributions.) Other thoughts: Eversince will probably just get a pass from me for D1 because of the surgeries along with some points for trying to be here and do stuff. I didn't mind Farah, but want to see more in the near future. Still a bit waffly (btw: for ppl that don't know me: I am The Waffleboy) on The Shining, but he is a town lean for me atm. Also waffly about Breshke. Kinda liked scotts entry, so townlean unless he just vanishes for the rest of the day. I know scott is a low volume poster and I have a bit of a problem with that, since it often leads to me feeling like I don't see a proper read progression. NocturneMage, geript, ritoky and VE town.
So you mostly have the same views as I do - I can see the Eversince thing - a pass on D1 could be understandable with the surgery/etc - but ES should have a lot more time to play than us full time workers. I can see the point of view. I guess it's more of a "if the other two shit town rainbows" thing.
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On November 16 2015 22:43 NocturneMage wrote: Page 15 - I saw nothing wrong with Farah's posts until she unvoted and then made the general activity comment in post 288, few others commented out, but 1 hour into the game to say that it's not a good read to make at all. Why is that not a good read to make? Please explain this to me yourself, don't quote someone else.
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Disformation, why did you townread scott31337? Please explain.
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On November 17 2015 04:19 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 22:43 NocturneMage wrote: Page 15 - I saw nothing wrong with Farah's posts until she unvoted and then made the general activity comment in post 288, few others commented out, but 1 hour into the game to say that it's not a good read to make at all. Why is that not a good read to make? Please explain this to me yourself, don't quote someone else.
I thought the read was self explanatory but I'll reword it so that it's clear - making a comment about "general activity" one hour into the game - basically a small timeframe when we have a 48 hour cycle, is not a good assessment. She did comment on tone but people's tone can change.
Also on the topic of Farah, I also want to point out her read on ritoky. He is coming across to me as pretty strong town, but...
On November 17 2015 00:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: I also think ritoky is town, but i'm probably the least confident in this, and some of geripts postings have giving me good feelings but i'm not super sure about either.
What about him is making you doubt your read? (at Farah, not Trfel)
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Trfel, since you are (or were?) here, what are your thoughts on VE's last post (the one that I have commented on plus those that are scumreading your case on VE? (post 412)
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On November 17 2015 04:58 NocturneMage wrote: Trfel, since you are (or were?) here, what are your thoughts on VE's last post (the one that I have commented on plus those that are scumreading your case on VE? (post 412) Patience is a virtue ^^
I'm quite likely the slowest reader/poster in TL Mafia, unfortunately
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VisceraEyes (again) Note: Eversince will be addressed in a following post
1. On Eversince and FarahBlackwing Eversince's initial post, voting for The Shining
On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is
##vote shining
Statistically it has to be time 100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you. Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town. This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia. 180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment Obviously mafia. ##vote: FarahblackwingSoooo mafia. Lynch today! Eversince's later post explaining the clear flaw in the above argument:On November 16 2015 06:30 Eversince wrote: To clarify, The Shining lurked bad last game I played with. Farah town reads him regardless.
This game, Farah mafia reads The Shining. He had not even posted yet.
Yeh! It's completely different play! Buggers! Sorry for pointin' it out! VisceraEyes responds to this is a way that doesn't make sense at all.
Before my case on VisceraEyes and the second post above from Eversince, VisceraEyes posted these posts:
On November 16 2015 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote:On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is
##vote shining
Statistically it has to be time 100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you. Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town. This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia. 180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment Obviously mafia. ##vote: FarahblackwingSoooo mafia. Lynch today! I actually like this a lot. ##Vote: Farahblackwing On November 16 2015 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:38 The Shining wrote:On November 16 2015 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote:On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is
##vote shining
Statistically it has to be time 100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you. Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town. This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia. 180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment Obviously mafia. ##vote: FarahblackwingSoooo mafia. Lynch today! I actually like this a lot. ##Vote: Farahblackwing What about it do you like? I see a short meta read based off of one newbie game, from a newbie. I wouldn't be nearly this confident in meta reading someone after just one game. And how do you know its even accurate? Did you check the last game or are you just blindly trusting to get on a wagon here? I don't care if it's accurate - if they're mafia and lying someone will come in and say "Hey that's a lie" and I'll reevaluate then. At this point I'm taking the short meta read at face value, assuming it's true and taking the attempt as a townie attempt to find mafia - one that has possibly borne fruit. So no, I'm not just "blindly" jumping on a wagon. I like this particular wagon for the reasons given and I like the person who started it, as indicated in my post. On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote: If you want me to explain, the logic of closing your eyes and finding a town less than an hour to d1 by just pointing means statistically you have a higher chance of finding town by being random. By that same logic, snap voting this early on D1 means it has a higher chance of landing on town.
Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird. And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3 These three posts show that VisceraEyes is treating Eversince's first post seriously. He says that he likes Eversince's argument, and that he's townreading Eversince and scumreading FarahBlackwing because of it. Furthermore, he uses this repeatedly in his argument with The Shining, which apparently leads to a scumread of The Shining, shown by this post (among others):On November 16 2015 05:50 VisceraEyes wrote: You're getting awfully anxious about me trusting someone so early Shining, I have to say it looks really scummy to me. Why are you so against me having a townread on someone and a scumread on someone else?
After my case and Eversince's post, showing that Eversince's early vote on FarahBlackwing had no basis, VisceraEyes says this:On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back!
##Unvote
I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Ok, so he wasn't being serious earlier. Not only did he make a joke, but then he defended his joke several times, to the point of scumreading The Shining for it.
I just can't believe this.
2. General For the moment, let's assume that VisceraEyes was in fact joking with his first series of posts, and let's ignore that this makes no sense.
VisceraEyes receives a bunch of town reads after he leaves, notably from geript and ritoky.
Notice how VisceraEyes leaves in the same minute that geript posts a strong townread of him.
VisceraEyes made three posts upon return, shown below: + Show Spoiler [VisceraEyes' Posts] +On November 16 2015 21:14 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 16:21 ritoky wrote:On November 16 2015 15:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:On November 16 2015 15:50 ritoky wrote:On November 16 2015 15:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:On November 16 2015 15:42 ritoky wrote: why does you playing on other sites render meta worthless exactly? I can give you links to games for reference if you desire, but my play has changed a ton than what it usually was. okay, with your new improved play; could you tell me who is mafia or town? It's not necessarily improved but: Farah disformation Shining geript is this the town list or mafia list? i can't tell I think it's both...the question itself was a little ambiguous so maybe he just answered it as best he could, including both townreads and mafiareads? On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back!
##Unvote
I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted.
The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you.
So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by. On November 16 2015 21:39 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: Fecalfeast
JUST IN CASE THERE WAS ANY DOUBT AS TO THE SERIOUSNESS OF MY POST!!!!!! First post is useless and strange. Why does he answer a question directed to someone else, when he's clearly not really sure?
VisceraEyes' next two posts are his thoughts about the game, and the only thoughts about the game that he's posted, assuming that his earlier posts were in jest. He says that he likes most of the people who have been posting (ok, so who doesn't he like then? not useful), and that he doesn't like Fecalfeast.
I personally don't really like this Fecalfeast read, but whatever, it's sort of up for interpretation. But this is his ONLY read.
Note that he spends a fair amount of this post responding to the townreads he's received. He's very aware of them, and this shows in his play. His activity tanked, he's not being useful or constructive, he made the terrible statement "I like most people who posted so far", which a perfect example of useless and lazy play.
3. Response to meta reads + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2015 05:50 geript wrote: I'm not voting for VE ever. Hm, people townreading VisceraEyes very strongly with little explanation. Where have I seen this before? This game. Everyone townread VisceraEyes for no reason. I thought VisceraEyes was scum. Everyone ignored me on the basis that "he's town". Guess what, he was scum. In fact, look at VisceraEyes' first post in that game. On August 26 2015 09:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi I'm town.
Marv playing like Palmar makes me vom a little in my mouth. Otherwise I like most everyone who's posted so far. Look familiar? I don't see how the metareads given about VisceraEyes apply to this game. Either ~80% of his posts in this game were not serious, or he is clearly lying to try and explain his play. Ritoky's meta read has nothing to do with what I have presented, he didn't mention the posts related to this at all. As for geript's: On November 16 2015 06:13 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 06:09 Trfel wrote:On November 16 2015 05:50 geript wrote: I'm not voting for VE ever. You're going to need to explain this. Read other VE games. He's really easy to read when he gets semi active. Part of it is based in the fact that VE and I scum hunt rather differently. He takes on an egocentric (in the technical sense not in the asshole sense) view of other players; i.e. How he acts when he's scum and applies it to them. So when you see him jump on certain things in an accusatory way (especially when he's not trying to assream them) he's almost always town. I don't understand this read. I've seen VisceraEyes jump on things and not push them into oblivion as mafia, too. For example, look at the game I linked; VisceraEyes was scumreading both Palmar and I but when Palmar asked him to reread the entire game under the assumption that we were both town and then share his thoughts, he did so (or at least partially did so). My case stands for itself, I've had enough of random meta.
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As for Eversince, the same argument sort of applies. Breshke's post here explains this. Eversince made a post which she (?, sorry if I'm wrong) said isn't serious, and then defended the post on purely logical terms.
But Eversince is on drugs, and readily admitted the mistake.
I'm giving Eversince a pass for now.
I don't like scott31337's posts so far. His late entrance is very strange, I'm not used to him ignoring a game for so long after it began. He also didn't explain his reads, and followed thread sentiment. I don't see any real contributions from him so far. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve the game.
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Let me try and take a pass at Breshke. On a first read, it's a null but there are a few caveats.
I took no issue with Breshke's filter so far from his reads alone. 333 and 377 (at least the first half) would warrant a town lean. 386 indicates he doesn't care what ritoky thinks. Alright.
Here's where the potential problem comes in.
I checked his posts relative to events in the thread. He asks a question about Trfel but as far as I can tell doesn't take a stance on Trfel, and I can go either way on that depending on what he would have done with that question. He doesn't take a stance on geript or VE but he talks about them "grilling" the Shining. Now here's the issue, geript is heavily involved in the game, VE is heavily involved in the game, Moosy had a really bad post before his response on the Shining to ritoky but that goes either missed or ignored.
So this leads me to think Breshke is playing a "safe" game or might be taking that approach, and not wanting to draw attention/ruffle feathers/whatever you want to call it is a scum trait.
I'm not familiar with how he plays the game so my read could just be way off target, but just looking at context alone, I have some concern he is focusing on the wrong things for the wrong reasons. (yes I checked the database, he's not inexperienced either) So I think until I see more from him on especially people being discussed as lynchables, I think it's a scumlean for him.
thoughts?
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And Trfel's full blown case illustrates why I don't like meta reads.
I mean seriously that post on Fecalfeast was bad. Not commenting on Moosy and saying everything else was good....bad.
I'm curious to hear his response to this.
As for Trfel, he clearly shows he believes in this and the statements he is making are backed up by both experience (Part 3), which is a town trait.
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On November 17 2015 04:28 Trfel wrote: Disformation, why did you townread scott31337? Please explain.
On November 17 2015 05:12 Trfel wrote: I don't like scott31337's posts so far. His late entrance is very strange, I'm not used to him ignoring a game for so long after it began. He also didn't explain his reads, and followed thread sentiment. I don't see any real contributions from him so far. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve the game.
I'm going ahead and respond to both of that. Since I remember scott as someone who does not post a lot, I don't think his late entry is alignment indicative. I kinda liked his entry because he was explained were he was at after catching up to the thread fairly well. Yeah, it was not that original. Maybe I am a bit biased because a lot of his views are very similar to mine...
His sudden disappearance does worry me a bit though.. would like him to interact with a few ppl and/or to push his scum reads.
While we are at that: ##vote MoosyDoosy @MoosyDoosy : Plx, explain your reads and answer my question.
I also should maybe rethink my stance on VE since I pretty my like Trfel's case. I also do not feel like lynching Trfel atm.
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On November 17 2015 05:21 NocturneMage wrote: Let me try and take a pass at Breshke. On a first read, it's a null but there are a few caveats.
I took no issue with Breshke's filter so far from his reads alone. 333 and 377 (at least the first half) would warrant a town lean. 386 indicates he doesn't care what ritoky thinks. Alright.
Here's where the potential problem comes in.
I checked his posts relative to events in the thread. He asks a question about Trfel but as far as I can tell doesn't take a stance on Trfel, and I can go either way on that depending on what he would have done with that question. He doesn't take a stance on geript or VE but he talks about them "grilling" the Shining. Now here's the issue, geript is heavily involved in the game, VE is heavily involved in the game, Moosy had a really bad post before his response on the Shining to ritoky but that goes either missed or ignored.
So this leads me to think Breshke is playing a "safe" game or might be taking that approach, and not wanting to draw attention/ruffle feathers/whatever you want to call it is a scum trait.
I'm not familiar with how he plays the game so my read could just be way off target, but just looking at context alone, I have some concern he is focusing on the wrong things for the wrong reasons. (yes I checked the database, he's not inexperienced either) So I think until I see more from him on especially people being discussed as lynchables, I think it's a scumlean for him.
thoughts? Eh.....
Breshke has a playstyle much like my own. He doesn't post very much, he doesn't lead the thread or push things, but when he says something, it's generally really really insightful and helpful.
Breshke's only made four posts so far this game. The first post was a very good catch, and something that I'm definitely keeping in mind. I do like his read on The Shining, as well. He's also right in that The Shining's "statement of activity" isn't alignment indicative, because The Shining is extremely defensive (even as town) and posts that every single game he plays.
So, his first post is insightful, as is his second post. His third post explains his second post (responding to ritoky's question), and his fourth post is a joke.
I'm not really sure what you're getting at? Am I misunderstanding your post? I don't see how you can say that a player with only four posts is playing "safe" or not?
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VE you have me on steam lol my buddy hasn't done any of the online stuff yet
I'm mostly skimming here but I side with trfel on VE for sure.
town: ritoky trfel nocturne
mafia: moose ve
that's all I got
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On November 17 2015 05:12 Trfel wrote: I don't like scott31337's posts so far. His late entrance is very strange, I'm not used to him ignoring a game for so long after it began. He also didn't explain his reads, and followed thread sentiment. I don't see any real contributions from him so far. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve the game.
I've had just enough experience playing and observing Scott to say that his play so far is not alignment indicative. I think I observed one game and he mentioned some shit about getting mislynched because of a new job, and I know his list posts as town generally aren't informative or earth-shattering or whatever descriptor you want to use. In Newbie 12, everyone wanted to lynch him for his list posts/low-activity except for one player who kept screaming that voting analysis cleared him (and it did). In Newbie 13, he was forced to claim because his town play was quite scummy. Now in Firefly he posted more but that might have been availability dependent. I remember trying to read him before though and he isn't a very active player in general.
If there's not much more by the end of day then I'd probably move him down.
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On November 17 2015 05:32 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 04:28 Trfel wrote: Disformation, why did you townread scott31337? Please explain. Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 05:12 Trfel wrote: I don't like scott31337's posts so far. His late entrance is very strange, I'm not used to him ignoring a game for so long after it began. He also didn't explain his reads, and followed thread sentiment. I don't see any real contributions from him so far. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve the game. I'm going ahead and respond to both of that. Since I remember scott as someone who does not post a lot, I don't think his late entry is alignment indicative. I kinda liked his entry because he was explained were he was at after catching up to the thread fairly well. Yeah, it was not that original. Maybe I am a bit biased because a lot of his views are very similar to mine... His sudden disappearance does worry me a bit though.. would like him to interact with a few ppl and/or to push his scum reads. While we are at that: ##vote MoosyDoosy@MoosyDoosy : Plx, explain your reads and answer my question. I also should maybe rethink my stance on VE since I pretty my like Trfel's case. I also do not feel like lynching Trfel atm. Scott31337 didn't explain his reads, though. All he really said is that he didn't understand my post, and provided a bunch of weird reads on everyone else.
Here's disinformation's first two posts on me (Trfel):On November 16 2015 08:30 disformation wrote: Trfel.. kinda strange reaction to VE's uh... lets call it a poke. Not sure if his knee jerk reaction is maffay or town motivated. On November 17 2015 02:30 disformation wrote:Not enough to give Trfel a scum read, but I won't give him a town read either. Twenty minutes later (in which time I did not post), he posts this:On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote: So to summarize: ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF On November 17 2015 03:06 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote: So to summarize: ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF Should add at least a bit of reasoning: All three are in dire need of contributing more and have exhibited a bit of suspicious actions. (MoosyDoosy buggering off without explaining his reads, Trefel explained a few posts above and FF being lurky as hell, with minimal contributions.) How did disformation get from "I don't know about Trfel" to "Trfel is a top lynch" without any posts from me or explanation in between?
Combined with the random townread of scott31337, I'm suspicious.
One more thing to add, disformation's been very active this game post-wise, but hasn't provided many reads. The first time he provided reads was when someone asked him. He seems to be excited to play, chomping at the bit to start the game, but instead of playing he's mostly commenting and questioning, and seems to be somewhat avoiding sharing his own reads.
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On November 17 2015 05:33 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 05:21 NocturneMage wrote: Let me try and take a pass at Breshke. On a first read, it's a null but there are a few caveats.
I took no issue with Breshke's filter so far from his reads alone. 333 and 377 (at least the first half) would warrant a town lean. 386 indicates he doesn't care what ritoky thinks. Alright.
Here's where the potential problem comes in.
I checked his posts relative to events in the thread. He asks a question about Trfel but as far as I can tell doesn't take a stance on Trfel, and I can go either way on that depending on what he would have done with that question. He doesn't take a stance on geript or VE but he talks about them "grilling" the Shining. Now here's the issue, geript is heavily involved in the game, VE is heavily involved in the game, Moosy had a really bad post before his response on the Shining to ritoky but that goes either missed or ignored.
So this leads me to think Breshke is playing a "safe" game or might be taking that approach, and not wanting to draw attention/ruffle feathers/whatever you want to call it is a scum trait.
I'm not familiar with how he plays the game so my read could just be way off target, but just looking at context alone, I have some concern he is focusing on the wrong things for the wrong reasons. (yes I checked the database, he's not inexperienced either) So I think until I see more from him on especially people being discussed as lynchables, I think it's a scumlean for him.
thoughts? Eh..... Breshke has a playstyle much like my own. He doesn't post very much, he doesn't lead the thread or push things, but when he says something, it's generally really really insightful and helpful. Breshke's only made four posts so far this game. The first post was a very good catch, and something that I'm definitely keeping in mind. I do like his read on The Shining, as well. He's also right in that The Shining's "statement of activity" isn't alignment indicative, because The Shining is extremely defensive (even as town) and posts that every single game he plays. So, his first post is insightful, as is his second post. His third post explains his second post (responding to ritoky's question), and his fourth post is a joke. I'm not really sure what you're getting at? Am I misunderstanding your post? I don't see how you can say that a player with only four posts is playing "safe" or not?
So let me re-word this.
It's not activity that makes him safe. It's his activity within the context of the thread.
Let me break it down.
So what you need to do is go to where Breshke is commenting as other events are happening in the thread. Why does he focus on a Shining meta when especially in your eyes VE has done much worse and been more active.
As in why does he focus on one event but not another? How does he miss Moosy who is quite scummy with his entrance? Look at the placement of the posts relative to the thread.
That's what I'm saying.
Again, I could be off target, if your experience on him is correct. It's not something that would have me pushing his lynch but it makes me question where his focus or how his focus is directed.
Am I making sense here?
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On November 17 2015 05:46 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 05:33 Trfel wrote:On November 17 2015 05:21 NocturneMage wrote: Let me try and take a pass at Breshke. On a first read, it's a null but there are a few caveats.
I took no issue with Breshke's filter so far from his reads alone. 333 and 377 (at least the first half) would warrant a town lean. 386 indicates he doesn't care what ritoky thinks. Alright.
Here's where the potential problem comes in.
I checked his posts relative to events in the thread. He asks a question about Trfel but as far as I can tell doesn't take a stance on Trfel, and I can go either way on that depending on what he would have done with that question. He doesn't take a stance on geript or VE but he talks about them "grilling" the Shining. Now here's the issue, geript is heavily involved in the game, VE is heavily involved in the game, Moosy had a really bad post before his response on the Shining to ritoky but that goes either missed or ignored.
So this leads me to think Breshke is playing a "safe" game or might be taking that approach, and not wanting to draw attention/ruffle feathers/whatever you want to call it is a scum trait.
I'm not familiar with how he plays the game so my read could just be way off target, but just looking at context alone, I have some concern he is focusing on the wrong things for the wrong reasons. (yes I checked the database, he's not inexperienced either) So I think until I see more from him on especially people being discussed as lynchables, I think it's a scumlean for him.
thoughts? Eh..... Breshke has a playstyle much like my own. He doesn't post very much, he doesn't lead the thread or push things, but when he says something, it's generally really really insightful and helpful. Breshke's only made four posts so far this game. The first post was a very good catch, and something that I'm definitely keeping in mind. I do like his read on The Shining, as well. He's also right in that The Shining's "statement of activity" isn't alignment indicative, because The Shining is extremely defensive (even as town) and posts that every single game he plays. So, his first post is insightful, as is his second post. His third post explains his second post (responding to ritoky's question), and his fourth post is a joke. I'm not really sure what you're getting at? Am I misunderstanding your post? I don't see how you can say that a player with only four posts is playing "safe" or not? So let me re-word this. It's not activity that makes him safe. It's his activity within the context of the thread. Let me break it down. So what you need to do is go to where Breshke is commenting as other events are happening in the thread. Why does he focus on a Shining meta when especially in your eyes VE has done much worse and been more active. As in why does he focus on one event but not another? How does he miss Moosy who is quite scummy with his entrance? Look at the placement of the posts relative to the thread. That's what I'm saying. Again, I could be off target, if your experience on him is correct. It's not something that would have me pushing his lynch but it makes me question where his focus or how his focus is directed. Am I making sense here? So you're saying that Breshke is suspicious because he's not focusing on the important things in the thread, at the time that he was there?
I guess my question back to you is, how do you determine what the important things in the thread are? Isn't that a matter of opinion?
I'll take a look at the context again, this kind of read is definitely valid and can be very powerful, but it's also extremely subjective, which makes it so, so difficult to apply correctly.
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On November 17 2015 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote: VE you have me on steam lol my buddy hasn't done any of the online stuff yet
I'm mostly skimming here but I side with trfel on VE for sure.
town: ritoky trfel nocturne
mafia: moose ve
that's all I got
No read on geript? Or Shining?
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Trfel stop failing and find mafia.
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On November 17 2015 05:05 Trfel wrote:VisceraEyes (again)Note: Eversince will be addressed in a following post1. On Eversince and FarahBlackwingEversince's initial post, voting for The Shining Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote:On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is
##vote shining
Statistically it has to be time 100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you. Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town. This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia. 180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment Obviously mafia. ##vote: FarahblackwingSoooo mafia. Lynch today! Eversince's later post explaining the clear flaw in the above argument: Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 06:30 Eversince wrote: To clarify, The Shining lurked bad last game I played with. Farah town reads him regardless.
This game, Farah mafia reads The Shining. He had not even posted yet.
Yeh! It's completely different play! Buggers! Sorry for pointin' it out! VisceraEyes responds to this is a way that doesn't make sense at all. Before my case on VisceraEyes and the second post above from Eversince, VisceraEyes posted these posts: Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote:On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is
##vote shining
Statistically it has to be time 100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you. Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town. This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia. 180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment Obviously mafia. ##vote: FarahblackwingSoooo mafia. Lynch today! I actually like this a lot. ##Vote: Farahblackwing Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 16 2015 05:38 The Shining wrote:On November 16 2015 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 16 2015 05:13 Eversince wrote:On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is
##vote shining
Statistically it has to be time 100% townread based on nothing last game I play with you. Last game: Farah town, hard read based on not much, Shining obvious town. This game: Farah ?, Shining mafia. 180 in gameplay = 180 in alignment Obviously mafia. ##vote: FarahblackwingSoooo mafia. Lynch today! I actually like this a lot. ##Vote: Farahblackwing What about it do you like? I see a short meta read based off of one newbie game, from a newbie. I wouldn't be nearly this confident in meta reading someone after just one game. And how do you know its even accurate? Did you check the last game or are you just blindly trusting to get on a wagon here? I don't care if it's accurate - if they're mafia and lying someone will come in and say "Hey that's a lie" and I'll reevaluate then. At this point I'm taking the short meta read at face value, assuming it's true and taking the attempt as a townie attempt to find mafia - one that has possibly borne fruit. So no, I'm not just "blindly" jumping on a wagon. I like this particular wagon for the reasons given and I like the person who started it, as indicated in my post. Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 16 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote: If you want me to explain, the logic of closing your eyes and finding a town less than an hour to d1 by just pointing means statistically you have a higher chance of finding town by being random. By that same logic, snap voting this early on D1 means it has a higher chance of landing on town.
Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird. And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3 These three posts show that VisceraEyes is treating Eversince's first post seriously. He says that he likes Eversince's argument, and that he's townreading Eversince and scumreading FarahBlackwing because of it. Furthermore, he uses this repeatedly in his argument with The Shining, which apparently leads to a scumread of The Shining, shown by this post (among others): Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:50 VisceraEyes wrote: You're getting awfully anxious about me trusting someone so early Shining, I have to say it looks really scummy to me. Why are you so against me having a townread on someone and a scumread on someone else? After my case and Eversince's post, showing that Eversince's early vote on FarahBlackwing had no basis, VisceraEyes says this: Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back!
##Unvote
I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Ok, so he wasn't being serious earlier. Not only did he make a joke, but then he defended his joke several times, to the point of scumreading The Shining for it. I just can't believe this. 2. GeneralFor the moment, let's assume that VisceraEyes was in fact joking with his first series of posts, and let's ignore that this makes no sense. VisceraEyes receives a bunch of town reads after he leaves, notably from geript and ritoky. Notice how VisceraEyes leaves in the same minute that geript posts a strong townread of him. VisceraEyes made three posts upon return, shown below: + Show Spoiler [VisceraEyes' Posts] +On November 16 2015 21:14 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 16:21 ritoky wrote:On November 16 2015 15:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:On November 16 2015 15:50 ritoky wrote:On November 16 2015 15:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:On November 16 2015 15:42 ritoky wrote: why does you playing on other sites render meta worthless exactly? I can give you links to games for reference if you desire, but my play has changed a ton than what it usually was. okay, with your new improved play; could you tell me who is mafia or town? It's not necessarily improved but: Farah disformation Shining geript is this the town list or mafia list? i can't tell I think it's both...the question itself was a little ambiguous so maybe he just answered it as best he could, including both townreads and mafiareads? On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back!
##Unvote
I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted.
The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you.
So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by. On November 16 2015 21:39 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: Fecalfeast
JUST IN CASE THERE WAS ANY DOUBT AS TO THE SERIOUSNESS OF MY POST!!!!!! First post is useless and strange. Why does he answer a question directed to someone else, when he's clearly not really sure? VisceraEyes' next two posts are his thoughts about the game, and the only thoughts about the game that he's posted, assuming that his earlier posts were in jest. He says that he likes most of the people who have been posting (ok, so who doesn't he like then? not useful), and that he doesn't like Fecalfeast. I personally don't really like this Fecalfeast read, but whatever, it's sort of up for interpretation. But this is his ONLY read. Note that he spends a fair amount of this post responding to the townreads he's received. He's very aware of them, and this shows in his play. His activity tanked, he's not being useful or constructive, he made the terrible statement "I like most people who posted so far", which a perfect example of useless and lazy play.
3. Response to meta reads + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2015 05:50 geript wrote: I'm not voting for VE ever. Hm, people townreading VisceraEyes very strongly with little explanation. Where have I seen this before? This game. Everyone townread VisceraEyes for no reason. I thought VisceraEyes was scum. Everyone ignored me on the basis that "he's town". Guess what, he was scum. In fact, look at VisceraEyes' first post in that game. On August 26 2015 09:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi I'm town.
Marv playing like Palmar makes me vom a little in my mouth. Otherwise I like most everyone who's posted so far. Look familiar? I don't see how the metareads given about VisceraEyes apply to this game. Either ~80% of his posts in this game were not serious, or he is clearly lying to try and explain his play. Ritoky's meta read has nothing to do with what I have presented, he didn't mention the posts related to this at all. As for geript's: On November 16 2015 06:13 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 06:09 Trfel wrote:On November 16 2015 05:50 geript wrote: I'm not voting for VE ever. You're going to need to explain this. Read other VE games. He's really easy to read when he gets semi active. Part of it is based in the fact that VE and I scum hunt rather differently. He takes on an egocentric (in the technical sense not in the asshole sense) view of other players; i.e. How he acts when he's scum and applies it to them. So when you see him jump on certain things in an accusatory way (especially when he's not trying to assream them) he's almost always town. I don't understand this read. I've seen VisceraEyes jump on things and not push them into oblivion as mafia, too. For example, look at the game I linked; VisceraEyes was scumreading both Palmar and I but when Palmar asked him to reread the entire game under the assumption that we were both town and then share his thoughts, he did so (or at least partially did so). My case stands for itself, I've had enough of random meta.
I was able to actually follow this case and see your point of view, unlike your first "case".
Now I need to decide if you are actually town - or posting scummy cases like you did in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi and try to mislynch everyone to win.
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