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I don't even know what you're accusing me of at this point. Can you try and be legible?
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anyway art you gonna have to put one of me and vivax on mission 4/5 in your perfect world. and shockey might think im more town then you so your gonna have to suck it up buttercup and go with are 5 man team
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On November 12 2015 20:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't even know what you're accusing me of at this point. Can you try and be legible?
I misread your shit? im obv town for it go read it was an honest mistake
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On November 12 2015 20:33 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2015 20:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't even know what you're accusing me of at this point. Can you try and be legible? I misread your shit? im obv town for it go read it was an honest mistake
I did read it but I don't understand what you were saying. I also don't really like how you're trying to instantly weasel a townread out of it, though that's probably NAI.
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art heres the next 5 nominations fyi
5. ShoCkeyy
6. Rels
7. sicklucker
8. kitaman27
9. Vivax
obv we no one will vote for rels/kitas teams.
So unless shockey chooses shockey/art/hts/coah one of me and vivax are doing the nominations. SO if you really think were scum you better get on that ;p
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On November 12 2015 03:15 Fidei86 wrote:After discussion between myself and Tictock in the Host QT, and also consultation with Blazinghand, I have decided to issue a second warning to raynpelikoneet for this post. The effect of a second warning (the first warning being here) is a modkill/auto-replace, which is effective immediately.
I will begin searching for a replacement immediately. Until one is found, raynpelikoneet's slot will be eligible to go on missions, and will deemed to vote YES on all proposed missions. If his slot has the spy alignment, it will be deemed to attempt to sabotage any mission on which it is placed. His slot will be skipped for the purpose of team submission.
The OP for this game makes clear that all players are obliged to be civil and corteous to each other. The hosts recognise that Mafia/Resistance can give rise to strong emotions. However, there is a large and important difference between criticising someone's play or their decision making, and personal attacks designed only to belittle or demean. The former happens all the time, but the second will not be tolerated.
If anyone has any concerns about this action, or any further rules questions arising please contact me immediately, copying Tictock and Blazinghand.
Wow rayn is probably mod-confirmed town then. I don't think scum would cross the line after being warned.
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im not sure vivax can get any votes currently either. (hts thinks hes scum) so that kind of just leaves me and shockey for mission #3 and you know im including myself
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On November 12 2015 03:25 Vivax wrote:
Do you really think I can be spy with Xata, Rels? After what superbia did to him right at the start of D1?
For now we can just chill and wait for the outcome. All this speculation pre-result is even too tinfoil for me.
Maybe. I don't think it's unlikely for scums to bus each other; barring some extreme case like rayn / HTS and rayn / shockey, who cannot be scums together I feel.
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On November 12 2015 03:38 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2015 02:34 Rels wrote:On November 10 2015 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm actually not that sure on you anymore because as I mentioned earlier for some reason I had 3 scumreads outside the initial 3 and I think HtS is very likely scum. Shockeyy also seems likely to be scum, though his brash I don't really care about anything attitude does make me wonder.
[...]
Regarding the vote: I'm toying with the idea of voting yay for it. Reasons being that so many people already indicated they may vote yay that if there's a scum on the mission, it's probably going to get the go ahead anyway and the only chance it doesn't get accepted is if it's actually pure. Here Arta: - says he's not suspicious of me anymore - says he will vote YES But in the end, after mostly everyone says they will vote YES, he ends up voting NO. Why ? It's not logical from his reads. One explication could be that he's scum, he knows the team is infected, and he wanted to be on the right side of the votes for towncred. For the Xata / rayn / SL team he had to vote YES 'cause it wasn't obvious if it was going to pass or not without his vote; for this team, he could vote NO, have the team go and get the town cred. I'm still going with the theory that the team is infiltrated, since if it's clean we won anyway. "Not that sure" (what he said) and "not suspicious" (what you said) are two different things. At best, someone saying "I'm not sure on you" means they have at best a null on you. And he said he was toying with it, not that he'd commit. Two different things. He already implied (bolded) what the count would be. If Artanis is scum it's sure not for that.
So either he's going against his reads (what I think), or he's non commital (something that you scumread Xata for). Which is it ?
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Hey rels alot has changed everyone thinks your scum how do you feel about that
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On November 12 2015 20:36 sicklucker wrote:
art heres the next 5 nominations fyi
5. ShoCkeyy
6. Rels
7. sicklucker
8. kitaman27
9. Vivax
obv we no one will vote for rels/kitas teams.
So unless shockey chooses shockey/art/hts/coah one of me and vivax are doing the nominations. SO if you really think were scum you better get on that ;p
Eh, if I decide that you're scum with vivax then Kita's team could work. Like I said though, I don't currently think it's that team and I'll still have time to decide on it.
I will look into both teams later. I should probably actually go work at work now.
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eh back to playing both sides of the fences I see. Scum 101 I wonder why your at the bottom of my town circle
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Ok so for the record:
I think the winning team has to be Artanis/me/Coag/Shockey.
Kita, rels, SL, Xata, HTS are all people I don't want on it.
Consider that SL/HTS/kita and maybe even Rels (too lazy to check, it's from my memory) all keep trying to push me out of a possible team. Artanis claims that SL doesn't but he did try regardless of intention and joins their camp.
I'll be back during the evening.
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On November 12 2015 20:39 sicklucker wrote:
Hey rels alot has changed everyone thinks your scum how do you feel about that
Man you posted this exact post in the last game (Newbie XVI) where you were town; in that game, that post made me feel you were scum because you had this exact post in the previous game (Drams) where you were scum. I have the feeling you posted this just to show me "look I'm town, you made that mistake last game where you thought I was scum".
Who is everyone ? Only counting Arta HTS and you where I am. I'm catching up though, did anyone else scumread me ?
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I also feel that it's a team rayn would want with exception of Shockey (despite him bringing up that his behaviour doesn't make sense I'll insist he's probably town).
Rayn lately keeps pushing people as mafia only for not making sense, so he gets mad and swings the hammer of raging vengance.
But I think Shockey is the derpy town of the game. There's always someone for that task in a game of mafia.
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On November 12 2015 08:24 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2015 02:37 Rels wrote:
So the team is either:
Arta / rayn / XXX (not HTS, they're never scums together)
or Arta / Xata / Vivax (or Kita)
I think it makes HTS town actually whatever the case is actually ... at least if the team fails. you cant possibly think the only one to vote no is scum
Yes I can. More than that; I think it's scum indicative IF the consensus if the team will pass whatever someone's vote is AND the vote doen't match up with the read previous to the vote. Now Arta wasn't as clear cut as I thought, but only because he was super non commital.
I really don't like how you didn't say much before the vote deadline when the consensus was the team will pass; and now you're like "WHAT GUYS WHY DID YOU ALL VOTE YES". If you were that sure the team would fail, you would have fought BEFORE the vote.
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On November 12 2015 13:41 kitaman27 wrote:Assumption 9: Rels is town. Whelp this one cuts the pool in half. Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 17:29 Rels wrote:
Weird that it took kita 1 hour to answer this question, which was asked to him only a few minutes after his opening post. I think it is more likely a town player would jump on something like this, than a mafia player trying to paint me as suspicious for something so innocent. Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 19:17 Rels wrote:
LOL you have 4 different names in the database Suggests he is actually looking at database games. + Show Spoiler +On November 02 2015 23:16 Rels wrote:OK this tire me so let's lay out what happened. Timeline. 1. Superbia scumreads Xata for saying "playing scum is a nightmare".Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:20 Superbia wrote:
So it's in no way a "nightmare" for "them". Which you should know, since you have played the game before. 2. Superbia asks Xata if he really thinks it's a nightmare, Xata kinda confirms.Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:32 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think this game is a nightmare for scum? Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:35 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, I think it should be somewhat anti-scum. In the way that IRL Resistance is pretty balanced, but here it's much easier for town to communicate properly than IRL, whereas the scumteam can't communicate at all like usual in forum Mafia. 3. Superbia uses this to make Xatalos say something he didn't: that being scum isn't nightmarishShow nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:39 Superbia wrote:
So now that we've correctly concluded that you don't believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. Why did you open with that? ConclusionThat is the problem with Superbia's early play; twisting Xatalos' words to something he didn't mean. Now he turned that read around to townread Xatalos, and rayn is claiming it's not suspicous, which might be right. But this word-twisting stuff is scum indicative. Suggests he is looking into superbia's motivations and is bothered by contradictions. Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:24 Rels wrote:
Man EVERYBODY was up my ass when I was attacking Superbia; but I do one formal post resuming it, and nobody comments on it. Suggests that he cares about pushing things that he finds suspicious, rather than pumping out content for the sake of looking good. Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 18:29 Rels wrote:
On the other hand, I have no idea why the fuck kitaman would know anything from my scum play. Where did he say that ? He brings this up several times after the day one events. Seems like honest concern for a player who he already shared town reads about. Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 01:29 Rels wrote:
Yes of course it's a dumb thing to do. I think you should have not say anything and waited to see what rayn would have done tomorrow though. Seems like a reasonable post from someone suspicious of rayn. Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 01:38 Rels wrote:
Shockey, I can't see any scum motivation to play the way he does; having odd reads that completely differs from the thread sentiment, and defending them to the point of getting scumread for it. Passes on a very easy scum read to make with Shockeyy. Contrarian views usually point to townie. Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 07:17 Rels wrote:
Xatalos' average filter length per game
Average page / phase as town: 10.19
Average page / phase as mafia: 2.51
This game: 11 pages in almost a phase
OK I think it's pretty clear. p: Makes a decent effort post that enhances the credibility of a player who he probably would want to oppose from a scum standpoint at this point in the game, unless they are buddies. + Show Spoiler +On November 06 2015 18:57 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 15:05 sicklucker wrote:
Im sure this mission passes but if rayn and xata are putting me up as the fall guy as thread sentiment seems they better be prepared for the massive amount of shit that will transpire You have any post from them saying that ? Cause I had the same feeling, but from HTS: Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 08:24 Half the Sky wrote:
Independent of the vote, there's plenty to suggest Xatalos/rayn are town, so the main doubt was sicklucker. If the mission is sabotaged, it makes it pretty obvious where it'd be but then that also circles to the point raised as to why the next team is selected right away. Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Ah got it James. <3
I'd say at least 2. I think maayyyybe one was smart enough to suck it up and pass? Could be SL for all we know.
And that's a really good question to Shockey, Xata. She justified this by saying "there's plenty to suggest Xatalos/rayn are town". She explained that for rayn, but when I made my filter length analysis on Xata she posted this: Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 07:28 Half the Sky wrote:
I have no idea (still on mobile) who is trying to meta Xatalos but whoever is, the most efficient/effective way is how detailed vs shallow his reads are on people. Not filter length. There have been several cases made against scum Xatalos in Carol and Assassination Mafia on the quality of his reads.
I'm not saying he's scum but just saying that's how you should meta him. To which I answer: Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 07:29 Rels wrote:On November 05 2015 07:28 Half the Sky wrote:
I have no idea (still on mobile) who is trying to meta Xatalos but whoever is, the most efficient/effective way is how detailed vs shallow his reads are on people. Not filter length. There have been several cases made against scum Xatalos in Carol and Assassination Mafia on the quality of his reads.
I'm not saying he's scum but just saying that's how you should meta him. suuuuuuuure you don't know =D do your own meta case if you want, mine has convinced me that guy is town Since then, she doesn't do any analysis on Xata, but somehow he's so confirmed town that you have to be the scum if the mission fail. Actually, let me check her read progression. Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 23:39 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 23:34 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 23:29 Xatalos wrote:
What's your read on me btw, HTS? Would be nice to hear your reads on every player before the team suggestion really. Right now? nullish - I want to look a little more closely at any conclusions you make on people and how you get there before I'm a little more comfortable. At least I'll know I'll be getting to that sooner. Actually l'll take this a bit further: Town/Resistance: rayn Sueprbia (will review the TMI argument) Town lean:none at this point Null: Xata (will review) Shockey SL Artanis Scumlean: Kita Rels (will review TMI argument) That's where I am now. Null / will reviewShow nested quote +On November 03 2015 00:22 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 20:55 Xatalos wrote:On November 02 2015 20:52 Superbia wrote:On November 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia FYI Xatalos has not played forum Resistance. ...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push. Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far. Yeah I was town and got shot eventually. Why does that make me townie? On November 02 2015 20:59 Xatalos wrote:On November 02 2015 20:56 Superbia wrote:On November 02 2015 20:55 Xatalos wrote:On November 02 2015 20:52 Superbia wrote:On November 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia FYI Xatalos has not played forum Resistance. ...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push. Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far. Yeah I was town and got shot eventually. Why does that make me townie? Your posting style and activity level seems similar to that game. Mind you that I've read/skimmed maybe 7-8 pages, so I'm not confident enough to give you a lot of townie-points. Okay, that makes sense. Alright, these questions are quite town. I know Rels argued TMI from Superbia. So at least I know to flag that argument reviewing Rels later... The only question I'd pose to Superbia is asking him how he knows Xata isn't breaking meta but maybe he hasn't reached that point yet. I'm not going to meta read Xata, largely because I'd be biased on that - the only games I've ever had with Xata (Carol and Assassination, both large normal) he's been scum and I've been town. I've never played with town Xatalos. So far Xata is looking town... Continuing... Looking townShow nested quote +On November 03 2015 00:46 Half the Sky wrote:
I'm looking at a three-hour delay for my flight home. Fuck this weather.
That is going to put me close to deadline, so I am going to keep my primary submission to what it is now, and then have an alternate submission up ASAP so you people can discuss it before and then I will state what I'm going to do before I get on the plane. If I had to pull myself off the team, it'd be right now - Xata/rayn/Superbia.
I'm feeling better about Xata but not as good as with Super/rayn and I don't believe sicklucker and Artanis will bleed town for me in time for deadline or even before I leave Berlin, if I even do.
Also I don't feel Rels' TMI argument on superbia is valid, but will double check the rest of his followup. Not the towniest but townShow nested quote +On November 03 2015 06:51 Half the Sky wrote:
Why the fuck is TL such a piece of shit on mobile?
##nominate: kitaman27, raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky
Town but not town enough to be on her teamShow nested quote +On November 04 2015 21:29 Half the Sky wrote:
Work is burying me today (if I'm lucky I'll finish around 2100 today) so quick comments for now.
1 Above team is fine by me. Would vote yes. No issues with any of Xata's explanations on his team selection.
2 I will vote down any team with Rels on it (and almost certainly will be ignoring him as mafia onwards until something to the contrary jumps at me) assuming we are sticking to the conventional approach of nailing the first mission with three town.
3 I passed/scrapped my team to buy more time.
4 Artanis I think you need to re-read my filter. Unless I'm misunderstanding, you had a fear read on me before, not the other way around. my stance on your alignment is null because your RL situation is NAI and I needed more content to re-evaluate you. Seeing as you've posted more content, I'll re-evaluate after work.
5 Regarding the comments on defensiveness my argument is that for someone normally considered a very good town player Rels is scum reading me for things that do not make me Mafia. The basis for his position is actually pretty poor IMO with the caveat he has never played the game so this could explain (if somehow he's actually town) why he's seeing some things the way he is. No issue with Xata's explanations on the choice of the teamShow nested quote +On November 05 2015 09:03 Half the Sky wrote:On November 05 2015 08:56 kitaman27 wrote:On November 05 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Aiming for until 12:30am or so... (another 45m) so if anyone wants to talk, please do. You don't need give details or anything, but where would you everyone one through nine in terms of trustworthiness? With nine being most trustworthy kitaman27 6 ShoCkeyy 2 at most Rels - um, zero? Artanis[Xp] 7-8 Xatalos 7 Superbia 6 raynpelikoneet - 8-9 sicklucker 5 at most (although I'm atm trying to evaluate him on what he does have...) I am aware that Rels, you, Superbia have pretty damned capable scum games so there is some caution with some of the ratings. Xatalos being third towniest at 7/10Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 07:45 Half the Sky wrote:
Shockey is townreading Superbia, Rels, Artanis and Kita, scumreads on rayn and Xatalos.
Null on everyone else. Probably means I don't have to worry about a spy Xatalos fooling us all, with the third scum being Superbia/Kita, Artanis/sicklucker per this association is a longshot.
This also means though I'm wrong on a townread though, and I'm now not sure whom without filter diving.
It's one of Superbia or Kita, Rels is either defending scum Kita or disassociating from Superbia.
If I had to tinfoil Kita, the former makes sense considering the early case on Xatalos. But now we have some queries on Rels. Hmmmm.
The problem is, if sicklucker is mafia, and Rels is using reverse psychology on us, then this whole thing is blown out of the water. But Ockham's razor indicates SL is town, so I think that's what I'm going to hold for now, unless something else indicates otherwise.
Random thoughts. Still on mobile, can't filter dive too easily. Pretty sure Xata is not scum fooling usShow nested quote +On November 06 2015 08:24 Half the Sky wrote:
Independent of the vote, there's plenty to suggest Xatalos/rayn are town, so the main doubt was sicklucker. If the mission is sabotaged, it makes it pretty obvious where it'd be but then that also circles to the point raised as to why the next team is selected right away. Xata is confirmed town so SL will be obvious scum if the mission failSomehow Xata went from "I think he's town" to "he's so conf town SL will be scum if the missions fails". Especially, she said an easy way to confirm Xata would be to make a meta analysis on how shallow his reads are; she didn't do it, but Xata is somehow confirmed town in her mind. Suggests he is reading and analyzing stuff Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 06:44 Rels wrote:Like I'm thinking about this game all the time, trying to solve it. I just love that feeling of thinking about something new that make sense  lol seems genuine. Maybe I fall for things like these too easy :p Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 18:13 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 08:00 Tictock wrote:
Day 1
Xatalos Nomination (Xatalos, rayn, sicklucker)
Vote Result
Half the Sky - YES
Xatalos - YES
Artanis[Xp] - YES
raynpelikoneet - YES
ShoCkeyy - NO
Rels - NO
sicklucker - YES
kitaman27 - NO
Superbia - NO
MISSION IS APPROVED
Xatalos, raynpelikoneet, and sicklucker will be embarking on Mission 1
Mission will be completed in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 6 November 2015. Suuuuper interesting! With such a close vote, we'll have a lot of infos depending on how the team does. Let's see. If the team pass there are two solutions: - it's a clean team; then there have to be 2 mafias in Shockey / kita / Superbia. Maybe 3, but it's possible one mafia went for the towncred instead if he thought the team would pass even if he voted no; since in this case, he's not on the team, it would be HTS or Arta. Given how HTS posted about her opinions on the vote, I don't see her voting "yes" in that situation when she had the perfect opportunity to vote "no" to a clean team. So if one mafia voted "yes" to a clean team, it would be Arta. - there is 1 (or more) scum in the team but he didn't make the mission failed: unlikely. The goal of the game is to win three missions for both team; exchanging town cred for 1 failure out of 3 doesn't seem to be worth it. It that happens, I think it makes Artanis town, since the plan would be to make Arta pick the same team + himself, fail the mission, and put the blame on him. So if the team passes the mission, then fails the next with SL / rayn / Xata / Arta, it probably means Arta's alignment will be determinent to solving the game; it's either Arta being mafia going for the towncred; or Arta being town on which mafia are trying to put the blame. Figuring this out in this case will be crucial. If the team passes the mission, then passes the next with SL / rayn / Xata / Arta, there are all town and the game is won. That would be cool. (= If the team fails: There is one confirmed mafia in Xata / rayn / SL, maybe 2. There has to be at least 2 mafias in Xata / rayn / SL / HTS / Arta, probably 3 since, as said above, the towncred lost by voting a failure team is more than compensated by the 1 win out of 3 needed. That doesn't apply if one scum thought the team would pass even if he voted "no" though. That's where I'm at. Not going further until tomorrow. Suggests genuine excitement with an attempt to solve things. Show nested quote +On November 12 2015 02:43 Rels wrote:
I'm too lazy to do any reread right now since we could also have won already p: Heh I was thinking the same thing. Other random tidbits -Frequently changes his reads at different points of the game, which suggests he is considering new information, rather than sticking to tunnels -Picks a battle with rayn early on who is widely viewed as town. Has the opportunity to tunnel rayn, yet considers the alternative at most spots. -Posts are mostly logical without baseless assumptions He does buddy me a ton this game, but I sure am a sucker for buddying. XD Eliminated Combinations:ShoCkeyy Rels Xatalos
ShoCkeyy Rels sicklucker
Rels Artanis[Xp] Xatalos
Rels Artanis[Xp] sicklucker
Rels Xatalos Vivax
Rels Vivax sickluckerCombinations Remaining:ShoCkeyy Xatalos VivaxShoCkeyy Vivax sicklucker Half the Sky Xatalos VivaxHalf the Sky Vivax sicklucker Artanis[Xp] Xatalos VivaxArtanis[Xp] Vivax sicklucker Based on this assumption, it would mean that Vivax is mafia. I'll need to re-read the thread tomorrow from that perspective to make sure I haven't slipped up anywhere and to see if it leads to any other relationships.
I agree with everything EXCEPT the first one: kita is town. That's what I lean for atm but I want to reread your filter before commiting to that line of thoughts.
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On November 12 2015 20:50 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2015 08:24 sicklucker wrote:On November 12 2015 02:37 Rels wrote:
So the team is either:
Arta / rayn / XXX (not HTS, they're never scums together)
or Arta / Xata / Vivax (or Kita)
I think it makes HTS town actually whatever the case is actually ... at least if the team fails. you cant possibly think the only one to vote no is scum Yes I can. More than that; I think it's scum indicative IF the consensus if the team will pass whatever someone's vote is AND the vote doen't match up with the read previous to the vote. Now Arta wasn't as clear cut as I thought, but only because he was super non commital. I really don't like how you didn't say much before the vote deadline when the consensus was the team will pass; and now you're like "WHAT GUYS WHY DID YOU ALL VOTE YES". If you were that sure the team would fail, you would have fought BEFORE the vote.
Yesss, finally somebody to notice that.
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Art I just thought of something. Me and vivax cant be on the same scum team theres too many reasons why it does not work.
Mission one that includes me, super votes no
Mission two that includes super, I vote no
I scum read super all of the game. Super scum read me most or all of the game
Me and vivax just had that retarded interaction
Me and vivax are never a team.
So that means im only scum with rels + 1 of hts/shockey
So if your mission team has either hts/shockey or both (it does) It may as well just include me since the mission will already fail in the world where I am scum.
Your a smart dude (i think?) so im sure you understand this
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Maybe art just wanted more information? Every vote is more info for town its pretty smart to vote no alot as town. Like really smart...
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