EPTHis case is already pretty good in itself now that I am open to the idea of gum being mafia.
I'll just sheep GB's case and keep being convinced that gum read ritoky as town ONLY cause he shenannied onto gum's partner.
Yes.
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Vivax
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His case is already pretty good in itself now that I am open to the idea of gum being mafia. I'll just sheep GB's case and keep being convinced that gum read ritoky as town ONLY cause he shenannied onto gum's partner. Yes. | ||
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Vivax
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On October 31 2015 01:07 gumshoe wrote: Cause I hate it when I get it mislynched because townies dont understand the way I think and cant actually think themselves T_T My ratio of getting mislynched day 1 or 2 to total games played is pretty up there, so this is triggering some pretty heavy nam flashbacks That and I detest retarded logic, especially when its directed at me. Oh and yeah, what do you think of chrom? Stop dodging me dodgevax : P There's no townies pushing you as mafia in your world (only me and GB, your scumreads rite?) so this sounds pretty odd. And I'd answer about Chrom if I got to it, he's still the guy I suspect to be the most capable mafia in here. I'm undecided  , 2 paranoid. | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 00:53 GlowingBear wrote: Uh huh Damm, logic and insults do not sway you / : my bread and butter are ineffective. All I have left is this. I dont like to do this and I dont want to make a habit out of it / : but I also dont like Vivax having hope. If you really still think I'm scum T_T click the spoiler. + Show Spoiler + I swear on my life and the lives of my mother and father that I am town this game. | ||
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Vivax
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 01:10 Vivax wrote: There's no townies pushing you as mafia in your world (only me and GB, your scumreads rite?) so this sounds pretty odd. And I'd answer about Chrom if I got to it, he's still the guy I suspect to be the most capable mafia in here. I'm undecided , 2 paranoid.I couldn't care less about you, I just hate being pushed by town, at all, you can find this in all mah games : P 1 town read of mine being certain I am scum is too many. This reason is a) I'm a little bitch b) I dont omgus unless I'm sure the person is scum, so I dont have the self defense mechanism that most townies do ) : As for chrom, lets assume hopeless is mafia (which he is, and you cant save him) that means chrom would be your final scum as opposed to me / : yet your not pushing him at all ) : Also did you read his day 2 push on gb? Why would he go through all that effort (actually meta reading gb, going through all his past games) when the lynch was already on town? Scum dont dump that much effort into a lynch thats going well for them. If he had gotten gb lynched and gb flipped town, that would look terrible -_- Basically chroms day 2 had two traits 1: tremendous effort at a time scum wouldnt need to showcase tremendous effort 2: A desire to catch scum over looking good. Chrom is not scum this game / : | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 01:10 Vivax wrote: There's no townies pushing you as mafia in your world (only me and GB, your scumreads rite?) so this sounds pretty odd. And I'd answer about Chrom if I got to it, he's still the guy I suspect to be the most capable mafia in here. I'm undecided , 2 paranoid.Wrong, one of you is scum 1 is town, the second scum is hopeless, between you two btw I think gb is town | ||
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Vivax
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Xatalos
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 01:15 Vivax wrote: Gumshoe when did you start scumreading me? I have one more potential scum read, but at this point the well becomes pretty foggy and there's no point calling up a shitstorm when I don't have any hard evidence. Early night 2. if you want the true inception of my read on you it was the post just before Bh ritoky Rayn probally chrom and maybe xat (I still think his sheer activity disqualifies him as scum, but he might be playing a holyflare level game, dont think it's likely though) are the only people I really consider full town atm. No one else deserves a pass and should be cast under a lens. Back to the drawing board T_T So lets assume the people on my list are beyond reproach (ritoky is town, fuck you so is chrom) that leaves gb, hopeless onegu and you. You and gb cannot be scum together, because gb wouldnt throw his life away bussing you day 1(its unlikely at least) So that means scum team is hopeless onegu vivax or hopeless onegu gb. Thats honestly all it was / : I had no real case on you, you just weren't confirmed town in my eyes. | ||
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Xatalos
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 01:25 Vivax wrote: Yet you said something along the lines of "when me and a townread of mine push Vivax/GB" not long ago. I assume we lynch one before lylo. Which logically means that if the game doesnt end the other is where???? At fucking lylo. Point is, everyone else is confirmed town, I think gb is townier than you but id like to be wrong given how much of a twat he is. We have a mislynch, so its going into one of you to but yeah, your not both scum -_- its very unlikely given the early game. | ||
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Xatalos
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On October 30 2015 23:09 Vivax wrote: What scumsidimg exactly? I was at best scumsiding if gb is town and even then im not the only dude who was votinng gb. im on phone so ill be more extensive later. i think that if im right on gumshoe ill find more exples of tmi. Well assuming GB is scum and you're town, you're pretty heavily scumsiding by pushing gumshoe recently... | ||
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Chromatically
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On October 31 2015 00:25 Vivax wrote: Literally the only scenario where "mafia tries to save GB" is valid is if I'm scum with Chrom or hopeless. Or we'd be stupid for not both being on the bus Don't get me even started on the GB and me scenario cause that's just super idiotic. He's reading way too much into that to be townie. And the focus on Onegu. If he was stuck on voting Slam like he was without partaking in shenannies like ritoky, then why is it one of his first thoughts to analyse ritoky's alignment BASED on Onegu's alignment? The point is that as mafia you have a different type of attention to things. Like Onegu slipping that Slam was town when he said "the best marv has is a lynch on Slam" and then ends up TRing marv. Both flipped townies (you gotta work with that not with the conspiracies around my alignment depending on GB's). I think that in that post gumshoe said something mafia would say, since he resorted to analysing the action of a guy I'm assuming to be town (ritoky) using a now flipped mafia as the person that made a difference in reading ritoky. And that happened when in the posts previous to those posts, he wasn't pushing for an Onegu lynch, he was pushing for hopeless and yamato. If you go back a little more you find what he was actually saying about 1gu: + Show Spoiler + id get behind an onegu lynch to spare slam and rayn, also in these posts he calls hopeless and ritoky scum for super vauge reasons. Found this kinda townie when I saw it? more to do with my fantasy mafia team than anything else but the reads were so weak they might not actually count against it. Oh and the nice post above says this: + Show Spoiler + I have considered onegu scummy all game based off his lacklustre play. Never once have I town read him I really don't get it. He got a read on ritoky, but he never assumed that Onegu was mafia. He saw that ritoky's action made more sense as town if Onegu is mafia AND if Onegu is town, so he gets a conclusion about ritoky. Is the argument that gumshoe is more likely to think about relational reads like that as mafia? Because I don't see that at all. And in the posts before the ones you quoted, he did say he wanted to kill Onegu (although I still don't get how that's relevant to the ritoky thing)? For the record, I read GB's case and I am completely unconvinced. gumshoe basically spent all D2 defending GB but knows that everyone in the game wants him gone (and he was wrong on yamato), and he's said multiple times that he's okay with lynching GB. His hesitance between GB and Onegu makes a lot of sense from him, and it's definitely not 100% by any stretch of the imagination. Honestly, if gumshoe is mafia and GB is town, he pretty easily could have kept his vote on GB after being so undecided about it. He literally wrote that he thought GB is mafia from tone and voted. Why not keep the vote there if he's town??? That's on top of the meta stuff I've said earlier and the fact that he's so so passionate about yamato mafia and GB town and the fact that he's been posting a lot of thoughts. | ||
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Xatalos
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Vivax
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On October 31 2015 01:31 Xatalos wrote: Well assuming GB is scum and you're town, you're pretty heavily scumsiding by pushing gumshoe recently... "assuming" | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 01:33 Xatalos wrote: If gumshoe is scum in this game, I'll happily give the win to him. I think he's been the most helpful player for town in the game overall. If such a player is scum, then town deserves to lose... you guys need to stop saying this, its just gonna be give gb a bigger justice boner. The moon is not green, I am not scum, this game is won. | ||
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Chromatically
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IF GB is town: The mafia are three out of {me, Vivax, Hopeless}. No question. If you believe otherwise (that at least one mafia was bussing), then you have to find a person on the Onegu wagon that couldn't have switched to secure the GB lynch. gumshoe wrote a justification for voting GB, he could have kept his vote there. BH was posting a lot about being worried about the lynch, he could have easily switched at the last second and people would be like "Oh BH, you silly goose! You and your shenannies!" ritoky switched for basically no reason and hammered scum, he 100% could have just kept his vote on GB with perfect justification. Xatalos was saying that he might be okay with lynching GB earlier in the day and he's been scumreading GB too, he could have switched. The mafia team is EITHER GB + someone else OR {me/Vivax/Hopeless}. To believe otherwise, you have to think that scum willingly avoided, for basically no reason, lynching a town and saving Onegu, which would have put us into 4-3 LYLO. | ||
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Vivax
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So I'ma just vote hopeless and he can see who doesn't want to. I'll give him one lynch that isn't me or GB. A lynch he must want cause it's GB OR me but for sure it's hopeless (in his world). | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 01:32 Chromatically wrote: I really don't get it. He got a read on ritoky, but he never assumed that Onegu was mafia. He saw that ritoky's action made more sense as town if Onegu is mafia AND if Onegu is town, so he gets a conclusion about ritoky. Is the argument that gumshoe is more likely to think about relational reads like that as mafia? Because I don't see that at all. And in the posts before the ones you quoted, he did say he wanted to kill Onegu (although I still don't get how that's relevant to the ritoky thing)? For the record, I read GB's case and I am completely unconvinced. gumshoe basically spent all D2 defending GB but knows that everyone in the game wants him gone (and he was wrong on yamato), and he's said multiple times that he's okay with lynching GB. His hesitance between GB and Onegu makes a lot of sense from him, and it's definitely not 100% by any stretch of the imagination. Honestly, if gumshoe is mafia and GB is town, he pretty easily could have kept his vote on GB after being so undecided about it. He literally wrote that he thought GB is mafia from tone and voted. Why not keep the vote there if he's town??? That's on top of the meta stuff I've said earlier and the fact that he's so so passionate about yamato mafia and GB town and the fact that he's been posting a lot of thoughts. btw vivax still thinks you might be scum. And I'd answer about Chrom if I got to it, he's still the guy I suspect to be the most capable mafia in here. I'm undecided , 2 paranoid. | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 01:37 Vivax wrote: Alright so according to gumshoe's theory hopeless is mafia with me. So I'ma just vote hopeless and he can see who doesn't want to. I'll give him one lynch that isn't me or GB. A lynch he must want cause it's GB OR me but for sure it's hopeless (in his world). Dont pretend you somehow have the thread presence to allow or disallow anything. Your not giving me jack. | ||
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