EPT[M][N] Mini Mafia: The (kinda) Vanilla Experience - Page 82
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This leads me to the conclusion that rayn&Onegu are probably scum... Anyways. ritoky: I'll wait to see what Chromatically has on GlowingBear. As of right now, I'm very reluctant to lynch him because it's very unlikely for him to go at scum rayn when he did as scum. I've already forgotten about Hopeless and yamato. Have they even done anything after the start? The last scum could well be among them. I'm a bit interested in BH's attitude towards rayn (and disappearance from the thread) as well. | ||
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Dunno about Hopeless.... Somehow he seems happy / relaxed in his posts? Is this indicative of town Hopeless? Even if he's unremarkable. | ||
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ritoky
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yamato - eating around the edges of the game like a man who only likes crust, not sexy. rayn - bad reads, outrage over something he shouldn't be outraged about and makes no sense. hopeless - literal 0 idea what he believes other than rayn is town. has 3 reads entire game even though tons of questions. questions that don't lead to conclusions usually = mafia. gb - avoiding me. underwhelming. self-focused. lot's of talking about himself and people's reads on him rather than pro-active play. also he has played with me enough to where i expected a read out of him along the lines of "ritoky is town cuz feelz" or "ritoky doesn't have target, is not bussing therefore not mafia"; no delivery = no tip. i am pretty confident me, chroma, and gumdrop are all town fttb. vivax slightly less, but not concerned enough yet. | ||
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On October 25 2015 08:52 Xatalos wrote: Btw ritoky, I don't think BH was ever seriously after rayn... At least that's what he said. I have a lingering doubt that BH could have randomed his teammate (rayn), then went with it for a while and dropped it whenever he could... But that's kind of tinfoily already. Mostly that thought came to me when BH unvoted rayn so suddenly, when the wagon was starting to actually feel threatening for rayn, even though he had nothing better in mind either. hence why he dropped down my list? i said this already. but the thought is contingent on rayn = mafia so pursuing it beyond having it in the back of your head is kinda pointless until rayn flips. | ||
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BH is probably just town after all? | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.quickmeme.com/img/4d/4df0acb73ca0655cbc344f5ef4994582aaa046ce4f93cd4ea49082e3fa94c559.jpg) like i said, thinking about something that is dependent on rayn = mafia is pointless until rayn flips. | ||
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It makes no sense. So BH is town? Well, this is going into association territory again. | ||
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On October 25 2015 06:23 Xatalos wrote: I really don't get it. Do have some people have such fragile egos that they can only resort to insulting other people recklessly, then when they're under a bit of scrutiny they just stop playing completely? I am being serious here; I don't want to play when the goes like this: Xata: "rayn is mafia because X and Y" rayn: "no, here is explanation for X and Y" Xata: "hmm okay" ....... Xata: "rayn is mafia because X and Y" rayn: "....... dude wtf? if you call me scum call me scum for how my explanation doesn't make sense" marv: "yeah, rayn is town. Xatalos you're being an idiot" Xata: "hmm okay" ...... Xata: "rayn is scum for X and Y, also marv is scum" rayn: "marv is never scum" marv: "yeah that's quite clear, wtf are you doing Xatalos?" .... Xata: "hmm rayn is scum for X and Y" that went on for like 40 pages. if you can't understand what's wrong here that then you have to be mafia. so, you are either mafia or effectively throwing the game. so am i, if you are town, but idc. i literally don't care anymore. so you can lynch me, i don't care. I am not posting anymore. But jsut that you know, if you happen to somehow be town here, sometimes you SHOULD listen to people who know better... | ||
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On October 25 2015 09:01 ritoky wrote: like i said, thinking about something that is dependent on rayn = mafia is pointless until rayn flips. Heh, I guess so. But I'm like 97% confident on rayn being scum atm. Funnily enough, Onegu's defense only reinforced my read. Onegu's description of rayn's scum meta fits his play here well and he's playing not at all like in BTTB as town. | ||
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On October 25 2015 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am being serious here; I don't want to play when the goes like this: Xata: "rayn is mafia because X and Y" rayn: "no, here is explanation for X and Y" Xata: "hmm okay" ....... Xata: "rayn is mafia because X and Y" rayn: "....... dude wtf? if you call me scum call me scum for how my explanation doesn't make sense" marv: "yeah, rayn is town. Xatalos you're being an idiot" Xata: "hmm okay" ...... Xata: "rayn is scum for X and Y, also marv is scum" rayn: "marv is never scum" marv: "yeah that's quite clear, wtf are you doing Xatalos?" .... Xata: "hmm rayn is scum for X and Y" that went on for like 40 pages. if you can't understand what's wrong here that then you have to be mafia. so, you are either mafia or effectively throwing the game. so am i, if you are town, but idc. i literally don't care anymore. so you can lynch me, i don't care. I am not posting anymore. But jsut that you know, if you happen to somehow be town here, sometimes you SHOULD listen to people who know better... cant we just lynch xata here then? | ||
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Chromatically
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That's right ladies and gentlemen, this is a legit case so strap yourselves in. This game's filter --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GB has not been pushing his scumreads like he does as town On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote: Sorry, why is he okay? BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too. I can't understand what you guys find townie in him. On October 24 2015 01:14 GlowingBear wrote: I think best lynch today is BH. We all agree he has been lackluster and we have yet to see him being suspicious of a player. I don't remember him having scum reads On October 24 2015 04:07 GlowingBear wrote: I don't want to lynch chromatically. Especially now that Vivax is voting him. And I've been putting thoughts on Rayn. His flip one is bad. He said it was very unlikely I was scum and that I was very level headed with my read in Vivax. Then Vivax said something about me scum reading him before asking questions, and Rayn agreed and called me scum over the same posts he called me "very unlikely to be mafia". It doesn't make sense. I'm voting rayn GB has three different lynch targets throughout the day (although he spends most of the time on Vivax). GB does not even make an attempt to get people to vote on BH or rayn other than the posts quoted here. Vivax he "pushes" on for a little bit earlier in the day, but it basically consisted of talking to marv a little bit about it and then discussing it with Vivax himself. He never really pushes it very hard. Compare this to his other games (quotes all taken from D1): As Town + Show Spoiler + Mini Mafia Down Under On July 27 2015 03:46 GlowingBear wrote: .:Case on KelsierSC:. 1) Constantly whining about having to waste posts with bad things without actually using his remaining 50+ posts for anything else + Show Spoiler + /*really long nested quote omitted*/ If he is so worried about wasting posts with useless stuff, WHY DOES HE WASTE POSTS TO KEEP SAYING HE IS ANNOYED? "Yes, one person is enough to annoy me", really? Why is he so annoyed, man? "Everybody is playing like shit". No, nobody is playing like shit in this game. This game is pretty concise and to the point. His annoyance is unjustified, it's ridiculous. Looks like mafia trying to fake being emotional. 2) Deflecting any early suspicions brought on him + guilty conscience THIS IS HIS SECOND POST IN THE GAME! This is an unnatural reaction to what scott posted. In town mindset, the reaction I would expect would be "then you're stupid because I'm town" and not "ok, you think I'm scum, am I the only one lol". It reveals mafia's guilty conscience. More than that, and more important, it is a deflection of early pressure. He sees someone calling him scum and softly tries to shift pressure to someone else. If you ask "am I the only one?" a common response would be "no, I didn't like X as well" and if they keep talking about X, the pressure is shifted. The same reaction can be seen here: + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2015 19:54 KelsierSC wrote: This isn't going to lead to anything productive so I think it's best to just end it here. It can be interpreted in both ways: town not wanting to shit the thread, or scum deflecting pressure. Since Kelsier already displayed the deflection behaviour, the second option is more likely. 3) Wanting to lynch me then backtracking when having no reasons to + Show Spoiler + */ even longer nested quote */ The progression is this, for people that doesn't want to read the posts: Kelsier says he doesn't like me and he would lynch me happily. I ask him why he doesn't like me. He says everything I post looks stupid. I asked him what is stupid in them and why does that makes me mafia. He said it doesn't make me mafia but he would lynch me anyway, and that he is annoyed because idiots (like me) are annoying him, but never says what are the problems with my posts. He then comes to the thread and says he wants to lynch "hopeless, clarity, obi and bf", not wanting to lynch me. It's simple: he said he didn't like me hoping to have me as an option for mislynch. When I confront it, he says I look stupid but he forgets it's something he doesn't believe is alignment indicative for me. Then he says he would lynch me anyway implying that I annoy him. Well, I wasn't raising suspicions on him since that time. Now I've being pressuring him for the rest of day1 and he doesn't want to lynch me anymore LOL. He is not annoyed with it. What I mean with this is: his actions does not follows his discourse, which is mostly a scum trait. Add to this the fact that he answers almost NOTHING of my posts directed to him. He just deflects them, adding to point (2) of this case. 4) HE IS VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT HE IS FUCKING VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT. SCOTT WAS THE FIRST GUY TO ANNOY HIM (AND KELSIER WOULD LYNCH PEOPLE DOING THAT)! Why he doesn't prefer a scott lynch? Hell, a lot of people thinks he is mafia! Instead of going against the guy that certainly looked as mafia for him, he is going against questionmark!Tofu. More than that, he wasn't advocating for a lynch on Scott, but opened a range of possible lynches he would go against (tofu, scott, obi, clarity). IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE! COME ON!!! + Show Spoiler [WIFOM] + Points on Kelsier were brought many times and no one quickly jumped on it, not even Scott, who was suspicions on Kelsier in the first place. The quick and unreasonable town reads Kelsier got points out that scum didn't want him as a possible mislynch. I am POSITIVE Kelsier is mafia. Vote him with me. ##Vote: KelsierSC On July 27 2015 06:28 GlowingBear wrote: Thought process does not compute. You think Tofu is Mafia Then you say Mafia is trying to take people out of the tofu wagon. The alternate wagon is clarity. I suppose you may think Mafia could be there. But you call Mafia people that were in other wagons and does not consider people that moved to the clarity wagon. You even raise suspicions on me but you don't call me Mafia (?), what's the point then? Then you dive clarity and suddenly he is bad? What about Mafia protecting tofu by forming another wagon????? Your thought process makes no sense and it completely fits Mafia perspective GUYS VOTE SCOTT PLEASE On July 27 2015 06:35 GlowingBear wrote: I mean, if you THINK Mafia is trying to take votes off of Mafia!Tofu you MUST consider they are forming the alternate wagon INSTEAD of ignoring people forming the alternate wagon and placing votes somewhere else. There is no other option EVEN if you believed in what you just said, it would make me completely Mafia, and not just something you would say "I don't know you're Mafia". Then other Mafia are boxerfred (?) and PROBABLY A VET? Why a vet, which vet, why not me. Then you simply say you could lynch clarity, man. You just said Mafia was taking votes off of tofu. You can't me town. PEOPLE PLEASE, SCOTT CAN'T BE TOWN Battle of the Drams Mafia: On October 01 2015 04:18 GlowingBear wrote: And truffle's recent posts are looking townie which is making me doubt my scum read on him. So there is that. LYNCH COOL TL NAME. Brb later On October 01 2015 06:54 GlowingBear wrote: STOP Keep your votes on COOL TL he is Mafia On October 01 2015 06:57 GlowingBear wrote: DO NOT VOTE SCOTT FUCKING KILL COOL TL ARGH DAMDRED ISN'T EVEN CLAIMING TRACKER, HE IS CLAIMING HE WILL HE DEAD As Mafia + Show Spoiler + Newbie Student XIV: On September 07 2015 02:26 GlowingBear wrote: I'm voting scott. I don't see a better lynch than him. On September 07 2015 03:55 GlowingBear wrote: I really think noobking shouldn't be the lynch today. Vote scott. On September 07 2015 05:36 GlowingBear wrote: Superbia, I'm home but I'm not feeling well, so I'm not going to format it well so I can take a quick nap quicker: This post may appear contributive at first glance but it's basically a summary of the thread at that point and reads accordingly to thread sentiment, bringing nothing new to the table. Why is Rayn town, why he is so quick to give yamato a townread like that? Why just saying I'm "drinking" again, discrediting me? It's a bunch of rehash with an attempt of looking contributive without actually contributing. He then starts to post reads accordingly to his progression on the pages of thread, cluttering the thread with partial and outdated information he keeps further reevaluating instead of just giving his opinion on one big post. My problem with this is that he is again trying to look contributive while not actually being contributive. Worse. He is cluttering the thread just to show "look, I'm doing stuff!" instead of interacting and actually search for Mafia. He is very bold when he gives reads. Calls Nocturne "town" with no back reqsoning when he was suspicious of mage's slot. He gives 3 names of people he thinks are Mafia and he could lynch (sayinf maybe I'm not Mafia an cake is) but posts this: For someone who has 3-4 scumreads, this is extremely scummy. Why is he okay with boxer's lynch if he has THREE better targets and he even ADMITS boxer is only a policy? I see no better lynch. Game of Thrones Mini Mafia: On April 18 2015 05:15 GlowingBear wrote: ... I've already said I'd prefer to lynch a scummy lurker at this point. It's not that I can't lynch SL, it's that I can deal with him later since I have information on him On April 18 2015 06:36 GlowingBear wrote: I'm voting loafery thrn art Vote with me Mafia Mini Mafia 2: On April 08 2015 03:48 GlowingBear wrote: Lol Damdy. Last time you said this you were Mafia. I also don't have to rely on meta this early. Again, I also know well your gameplay so I can figure you out later better. I need more information on you so I can draft a meta argument. That is why I think you should be Mafia, though: jumping too fast on the conclusion that I am Mafia. As town, GB not only pushes his target a lot, but is very passionate about doing so (doing capslock or spamming the thread to vote for his target). As mafia, he may have a target but he is much calmer about it and doesn't seem to be very invested in the lynch. GB's pushes this game have resembled his mafia pushes much much more than they resemble his town pushes by not having any passion for pushing his targets and not being invested in the lynch at all. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Total activity Here's just some numbers on activity for the games I looked at. Each number represents the page of filter GB was on after D1 finishes. Town games: Mini Mafia Down Under (this was a post restricted game): 5 pages Battle of the Drams: 9 pages Mafia in the Himalayas: 13 pages Mafia games: Newbie Student XIV: 7 pages Game of Thrones Mini: 3 pages Mafia Mini Mafia 2: 5 pages Average town: 9 pages Average mafia: 5 pages This game: 4 pages Of course, this isn't conclusive: activity is not entirely indicative of alignment, and the sample size of only 3 games per side means that this could be misrepresentative. However, I think the difference between town and mafia activity on D1 (even including a post restricted game!) is large enough to make it a point worth considering in conjunction with the other points. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other non-meta stuff One thing I thought was really weird from GB this game are the posts he pinged out when rereading the thread. On October 23 2015 11:59 GlowingBear wrote: /*TAKEN FROM WITHIN THE SPOILER IN HIS LIST POST*/ This post makes me think ritoky is town. I had a similar impression to gumshoe's early posts and it's finally something unrelated to RNG discussion. I don't like this post from gumshoe simply because there are a lot more reasons why someone would RNG, and everyone knows RNG isn't alignment indicative for BH (he has done it as both alignments). If he thinks this something that should be ignore, why putting so many thoughts on it just to say that? I also am not liking Xatalos posts in this game. Xatalos is usually more extensive in his posts when he is town, and he usually talk about relevant stuff. Here, he wasted too much time talking about the RNG and his reads are usually... I don't know... not committed enough? I don't like it. I'm at page 19 and gumshoe is still talking about BH. Argh. I like this post A LOT, especially because he pointed out the stuff on BH. I feel very comfortable to give Chromatically a day pass just for this. YEAH XATA, IT'S A BIT FUNNY. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF IT??? Shouldn't it be alignment indicative for you? I'm now at page 29 and I hardly see BH being suspicious of anyone. He is wasting too much time with this RNG shit. I don't like it. Although I can't actually call it scummy yet. This post makes me feel better about Xatalos: I wouldn't give him a town read but it's enough to make me not want to lynch him I totally agree with this. It looks really bad. I thought these were very strange posts to get reads from. Why does my post in there give him such a strong townread on me? I LITERALLY said that BH hasn't done anything alignment indicative and I get a day pass for it??? What? The posts from ritoky and Xatalos he quoted also seemed very strange, since I do not consider those posts particularly town at all. This doesn't make sense from town, but it makes sense from a mafia trying to manufacture their town reads on players they already know are town. In addition, I found this interaction with Vivax strange: On October 23 2015 01:40 GlowingBear wrote: Yamato isn't an easy catch day1 by the way, Viv. He is actually very hard to catch because a lot of times he is town he also AFK's and die because of that. Like the last time he smurfed and got lynched. I think it's Himalayas? Theoretically, GB has a scumread on Vivax at this point. So why is he basically giving tips to Vivax about how to read yamato? It makes more sense if he's unsure about his read and is starting to think Vivax is town, but his next list post just reaffirms that Vivax is his top scumread. I think this post is more likely to come from mafia, who already know that Vivax is town, than it is to come from a townie talking to someone they think is mafia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is all in addition to the stuff that other people have said already about GB this game (usually related to his read on Vivax), which I won't repeat again here, and the general idea that GB really hasn't done much this game other than kind of just being around. ##Vote: GlowingBear Sources: Mini Mafia Down Under (town) Battle of the Drams Mafia (town) Mafia in the Himalayas (town) Newbie Student Mafia XIV (mafia) Game of Thrones Mini Mafia (mafia) Mafia Mini Mafia 2 (mafia) | ||
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On October 25 2015 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am being serious here; I don't want to play when the goes like this: Xata: "rayn is mafia because X and Y" rayn: "no, here is explanation for X and Y" Xata: "hmm okay" ....... Xata: "rayn is mafia because X and Y" rayn: "....... dude wtf? if you call me scum call me scum for how my explanation doesn't make sense" marv: "yeah, rayn is town. Xatalos you're being an idiot" Xata: "hmm okay" ...... Xata: "rayn is scum for X and Y, also marv is scum" rayn: "marv is never scum" marv: "yeah that's quite clear, wtf are you doing Xatalos?" .... Xata: "hmm rayn is scum for X and Y" that went on for like 40 pages. if you can't understand what's wrong here that then you have to be mafia. so, you are either mafia or effectively throwing the game. so am i, if you are town, but idc. i literally don't care anymore. so you can lynch me, i don't care. I am not posting anymore. But jsut that you know, if you happen to somehow be town here, sometimes you SHOULD listen to people who know better... Well, that's not exactly how it went. Even marv got less and less confident in you being town. At some point during D1 he said that I "might be right" and after Slam flipped he stopped townreading you altogether. I also got additional reasons to scumread you as time passed, it expanded greatly from the initial suspicion of your weird read progression. I'll admit that suspecting marv was too paranoid. | ||
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Every read had some "but... then..." moment haha
